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Title: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 21, 2014, 09:20:03 PM
Hello every one  :)

In here I share with you a generator that in my opinion could go around Lenz's law and then you know what happens next ;)

I hope you find it interesting and if anyone builds a similar device, please share your results :) You can see this effect in the video which can be found in the description box.

Here you can see the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTsOxzVTE8&list=UUXEFFysykQp53qAVElhrAgg

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 23, 2014, 11:11:17 AM
No one wanna say anything about this one? :D Come on guys, this is a very different design than the rest of the things I have been sharing in here :D I don't have so much time on this earth, I got a death sentence, I wanna see what you guys think before I die ;)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ElectricPirate on December 23, 2014, 02:32:45 PM
You still need many rice to eat. boy!    ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 23, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
You still need many rice to eat. boy!    ;D

 Actually I really miss eating rice, because in this part of Europe we only eat potatoes :D

BR
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 24, 2014, 02:35:45 AM
Hi Lii,


I'd  like to discuss this, although I am not one of the sceptics and I do not claim to be perfect. At least I get no paycheck from the oil lobby...


Before I forget, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDf6hQe0Ao&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyDf6hQe0Ao&feature=youtube_gdata_player)


I like the idea in your vid. Unlike the other one about using CW+CCW bifilars, this one seems to have potential.


The problem with the bifilar was, when you run a current trough it then sure a compass will not react, but when you induce a current with a PM then it will run reversly in one of the filars, resulting again in the full Lorentz force, and Lenz is laughing at you. When you connect the two filars, they will electrically cancel eachother out... well maybe only by 97% and you may get some lenzfree induction, probably only at a certain RPM. But ok lets talk about this new video.


I like the idea. There is one thing I'd like to discuss: it is teached that the Lorentz force always opposes the force that causes the induction. But this is a lie. Only the sum of the Lorentz force of a common coil does that, but basicly the following happens:


(Everyone should do this simple experiment personally)


When you have a thin wire with a dc current flowing in it, eg. 1 foot thin copper magnet wire, freely hanging in the air, and now you move a permanent magnet towards it, the wire will NOT be repelled or attracted in the direction of your motion (as Lenz states), but in a 90 degrees angle to the magnetic axle or vector. When you approach North to the wire, the wire will move left. If it's south then the wire goes right. Of course, in a solenoid that means the magnet is pushed eighter towards the center or away from it. Let's forget the solenoid for a moment.


Of course, when you're approaching the Nortpole from the right side then Lenz's law is valid. But when you approach it from the front or from top or bottom then the "repelling" force will be in 90% angle to the momentum and thus be only a matter of friction. Nevertheless, on its way the magnet reaches a point where it's flux fully impacts the wire.


I think this is the principle in your vid.


I got to breed this a lil further ^^


Peace.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 24, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
Ok, after some breeding, what do you think about this:


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Madeo on December 24, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Hi guys,


I'm glad to see something really productive being posted here.  I was thinking that rather building a completely different generator/motor that is lenz free,  it would be equally just as effective if we can attach a regular generator to a Bi-toroid transformer. The generator would not feel any more resistance under load than it would be without one. Of course, building a Bi-toroid transformer is difficult but easier than a completely new type of generator.




Madeo
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 24, 2014, 05:29:13 PM
Ok, after some breeding, what do you think about this:

Hi dieter :)
Man, that video was really amazing! wow! I would looooove to know how it works!
And Lorenz force: I totally agree with you. I have spent hours studying those effects and I found very interesting things. I make a video about that subject soon and I share it with you guys :) The wire actually moves up and the moves to the side of the permanent magnet. Actually I think this test helped me to map the real shape of magnetic filed...
Aaaand your amazing model. I loved it. Really beautiful work my friend :) I also think maybe it could help if we would shape the magnets so that each magnet would cover almost half of the solenoid. And about the solenoids, do you think it would be any better if they were rectangular and not curved? I try to make a sketch and I hope I can show what I mean :)

I also think we should use Iron oxide powder and epoxy glue to make cores for the solenoids.

BR
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on December 24, 2014, 08:45:54 PM
Hi folks, Hi life is illusion, thanks for sharing.
I had an air coil already made here and 2 large cylinder neo magnets to test this.
It seems when the magnets move perfectly aligned to the center as you show, no current is generated and of course no lenz resistance to motion either.
I feel the re-routing of induced lenz flux ideas are more promising.
peace love light :)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 24, 2014, 11:09:25 PM
Thanks everybody for your answers.


Madeo,
You certainly have a point there, running a common generator over a BiToroid transformer could simplify the task. But it also requires to achieve a high coupling in the first place. It is definitely something to try, eg. when you have metglas or other high efficiency cores. BiToroids are hotly debated and not only the notorious sceptics have some doubts, so personally I first would habe to verify a couple of things. But thanks for the suggestion. Maybe a parallel project.


Lii, glad you like my model. That was some rather messy code to bend a torus to such a square bended coil.


In your drawing I see several things I want to address: The Magnet pairs should alternate in polarity (this may explain why Skywatcher123 didn't get any current).
And yes, the solenoid should be square. The most significant observation from the wire experiment is, the Lotentz force follows blindly the right hand rule! The magnetic field points away from the wire as the 90° thumb, so you should not cross the wire that way.
All we need is alternating flux, it does not matter from where the Magnet is coming. So we are approaching along the wire, as seen in the model. In your drawing you would move the PMs outward, so only the vertical sides will be in a strong field.


Using cores for the solenoid may or may not ruin the effect. This should be studied further. However, we have to expect lower watt per space, but that is fine for me if we really can turn off the Lorentz force.


Maybe a split core would be the solution, just two bars along the sides we are using. Furthermore, these sides may be longer than the width of the rectangular solenoid. A MOT secondary may work as the coil in a design like yours.


SkyWatcher123, thanks for your data, see my remark above. Rerouting is an other promising approach, but it also throws up many new questions, as I am just experiencing.


Merry christmas to all of you.


Peace


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 25, 2014, 09:15:50 AM

In your drawing I see several things I want to address: The Magnet pairs should alternate in polarity (this may explain why Skywatcher123 didn't get any current).
And yes, the solenoid should be square. The most significant observation from the wire experiment is, the Lotentz force follows blindly the right hand rule! The magnetic field points away from the wire as the 90° thumb, so you should not cross the wire that way.
All we need is alternating flux, it does not matter from where the Magnet is coming. So we are approaching along the wire, as seen in the model. In your drawing you would move the PMs outward, so only the vertical sides will be in a strong field.

Using cores for the solenoid may or may not ruin the effect. This should be studied further. However, we have to expect lower watt per space, but that is fine for me if we really can turn off the Lorentz force.


Maybe a split core would be the solution, just two bars along the sides we are using. Furthermore, these sides may be longer than the width of the rectangular solenoid. A MOT secondary may work as the coil in a design like yours.


Dear dieter,
Seems like I made a mistake and didn't explain what I meant by the drawing. I was trying to show the 3 different stages that same solenoid goes through when the same pair of magnets are approaching it. I absolutely agree that magnetic polarities must be altered :) Sorry, my bad...
And yes, I also agree about the core. Anyways, thanks for taking your time and working on this and explaining all these for me, I appreciate it :)

Wish you all a Merry Christmas :)
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 25, 2014, 09:29:18 PM
Hi Lii
I was thinking about it some more. Even with a rectangular solenoid there are still the corners where the magnet passes by in the 90° angle. So I now am not sure anymore if my model is such a good idea.


Recalling the wire experiment, it really depends on the angle of the magnet. But that is a whole new chapter... Yes, a bar magnet has a magnetic axis, roughly seen. But when you play with two bar magnets and "feel" the shape of the magnetic fields at the pole ends by holding the two north poles together, sliding around in the repelling space, then you'll notice that the field distribution is not just axial, but spherical. I wonder if the wire reacts on the axis between the poles of the pm, or on the spherical pole.


Also interesting in the wire experiment: After the wire went left (or right, depending on the PM's pole), it would stick to the very left edge of the bar end. And the confusing thing is, with the other pole of the PM it would also stick, but on the other edge. Bit hard to explain, easily misunderstood. I mean, the same wire with the same DC current would stick on both the north pole and the south pole of the magnet, but one time at the left edge of the pole and the other time at the right edge of the pole/bar end. But that happens only when the wirevis closer then the center of the polar field. Which may indicate that the wire reacts on the spherical shape of the polar field... A lot to consider.


Nonetheless I still tend to assume it is the axis between the poles on which the wire reacts. Well, I hope so.


A further thing is the potential cummulation of wire-fields. A one winding  layer solenoid has the same responding features like a single wire. But how about a thick coil? Could it be that multiple layers are deflecting eachother towards the front? Well I got to test that.


Furthermore, I had a kind of a slightly crazy vision of the following: when the lorentz force pushes in a 90° angle relative to the mechanical force of the PM's motion and when a giroscopical force also pushes in a 90° angle relative to gravity (see Laithwaite etc.), then the two phenomena combined probably could be used to cause a force amplifier out of (yeah, some critics will jump up from their chairs now) out of a zero point energy field or however you wanna call it. Because 90+90=180 Degree and normally a reaction is already in 180°, so add 180 to that and then the Reaction does no longer oppose the action, but support or amplify it. Well if this works, then one could only hope there is enough friction, otherwise it would recursively amplify itself and finally kick the planet out of the orbit ^^ Even if that would definitely proof that there is no (more) pink unicorn in TK's backyard, we probably don't want to go that far...


Maybe a bit more practical is an approach that as far as I am concerned is called GAP. Following again the wire experiment outcome, when you approach a magnet frontal to a solenoid, then the Lorentz force should be in a perfect 90° angle. This would have to be a piston type of engine, instead of a rotating one. I am not sure if the continous accelleration and braking of the piston mass would cause additional energy consumption if a spring system is used (anyone?), but as far as I see, the induction of such a frontal proximation of PM and Coil (unlike the common drive-by method) would be "Lenz-free".


Peace





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 25, 2014, 10:08:51 PM


Also interesting in the wire experiment: After the wire went left (or right, depending on the PM's pole), it would stick to the very left edge of the bar end. And the confusing thing is, with the other pole of the PM it would also stick, but on the other edge. Bit hard to explain, easily misunderstood. I mean, the same wire with the same DC current would stick on both the north pole and the south pole of the magnet, but one time at the left edge of the pole and the other time at the right edge of the pole/bar end. But that happens only when the wirevis closer then the center of the polar field. Which may indicate that the wire reacts on the spherical shape of the polar field... A lot to consider.


Hi dieter :)

I will read your last comment more carefully tomorrow and I will give it more time and thought but for now I would like to send you the results of what I have seen from playing with a wire and permanent magnet :) I hope the size of the pics are gonna be ok :D I have noticed that the wire lifts up from the surface of the magnet at the beginning and then it will move towards the other edge, but if we give it some space, it will go to the equator of magnet. I have a magnet viewing film and by that I can clearly see that there is a fine line separating the the N hemisphere and S hemisphere ( You are absolutely right, they are hemispheric shape). To me it seems like the field is coming out of N pole and goes to the equator and then a second field (S pole) starts coming out form the equator (couple of mm from where the N went in) and goes to the other end of the magnet (S pole). I'm in my girlfriend's parent's house and I don't have access to my stuff, other wise I would take a video and show you the action :) Please let me know what you think.

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 25, 2014, 10:41:03 PM
Yes! That's about what happens. Although I am not sure if the wire travels all the way down to the neutral spot, but there certainly is not much (probably close to zero, if not less than) resistance against travelling from the upper right edge to the neutral zone.


Remarkable is the fact that it goes right all the time, even when it should stop in the center, when you watch the direction arrows.


This clearly proofs that the current causes an electronic spin of high speed that gyroscopicly shifts the angular momentum of magnetical attraction or repulsion by 90°.


Search for Laithwaite or Gyroscopical recession on Youtube to see the same thing with mass and gravity on a macroscopical scale.


Peace.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 25, 2014, 11:48:28 PM
Here is one possible conclusion to the observation being made (which would be the piston system):

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 26, 2014, 09:06:09 AM
Here is one possible conclusion to the observation being made (which would be the piston system):

Hi dieter :)

If I understand correctly, in your last drawing on the right hand side, it is suggested that if we bring the coil down to the magnet, we will not face the lenz resistance! Am I right? Well, when it comes to coils, I think we should forget the Lorenz force and see the solenoid as a magnet with similar pole which will be facing a resistance when its coming anywhere near to a magnet. This vide helped me a lot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FXPmYGIOs4

So I think whether we come down on the magnet or come to it from left or right, we will face the Lenz's law anyways :) From what I have seen, a single wire behaves very different than a closed lope (such as coil or a copper plate) when brought into a magnetic filed.

BR
Sam 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 26, 2014, 10:34:33 PM
When it comes to coils we should forget the Lorentz force?? Are you serious? Lenz'law is all about the Lorentz force. People say Lenzfree but they mean Lorentzfree.
After all a coil is made of a wire. Where did that force go?


Peace
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 27, 2014, 01:15:21 PM
When it comes to coils we should forget the Lorentz force?? Are you serious? Lenz'law is all about the Lorentz force. People say Lenzfree but they mean Lorentzfree.
After all a coil is made of a wire. Where did that force go?


Peace

Hi dieter :)
After I say this, you are gonna hate me, but please let me know if you think I am wrong :D
In the following pic, in section A, we can see what Lorenz force predicts what will happen to the current carrying wire (current going away from us). Lorenz says that wire just moves towards right hand side of the magnet and moves away from it. But when ever I test this, the wire first takes off from the surface of magnet and then will go towards the right hand side and then it will attach to the right edge of magnet and if you give it some space, it will go to equator of magnet.

In section B, Lorenz says that a current carrying wire (current is coming towards us) will move to the left hand side of magnet and goes away from magnetic filed, but again the same thing happens: First wire takes off from the surface of magnet and then goes to the equator of magnet on the left side.

In section C, we can see that the same wire is looped and when this happens the whole coil will take off from the surface of the magnet and as we say it, magnet "repels" the coil :)

So, yes, I think Lorenz force is wrong, at least it is not complete and when we deal with current carrying solenoids which are facing surface of a magnet , we should forget about the Lorenz force, because Lorenz doesn't explain what happens in this section. At least this is my understanding of what happens in here. I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what you think about all these :)

I think the upwards movement of wires (In section A for example) happen because of the resistance the wire faces when they tries to move to the right hand side of magnet. Same thing happens when in section B, wire tries to move towards the left hand side of magnet. It faces a resistance and moves upwards. This resistance becomes stronger when we have a coil on top of a magnet. Right wires try to go to left and left wires will try to go to right and they end up taking off from surface of magnet.

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 27, 2014, 01:27:03 PM
Ok, but imagine the solenoid diameter is 50% of that of the PM...


Peace


BTW. what you labeled Lorentz Force is not the official definition, but my revision.
Officially it is the force, that somehow magically opposes any mechanical force that drives a generators shaft.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on December 27, 2014, 01:33:04 PM
Hi dieter :)
After I say this, you are gonna hate me, but please let me know if you think I am wrong :D
In the following pic, in section A, we can see what Lorenz force predicts what will happen to the current carrying wire (current going away from us). Lorenz says that wire just moves towards right hand side of the magnet and moves away from it. But when ever I test this, the wire first takes off from the surface of magnet and then will go towards the right hand side and then it will attach to the right edge of magnet and if you give it some space, it will go to equator of magnet.

In section B, Lorenz says that a current carrying wire (current is coming towards us) will move to the left hand side of magnet and goes away from magnetic filed, but again the same thing happens: First wire takes off from the surface of magnet and then goes to the equator of magnet on the left side.

In section C, we can see that the same wire is looped and when this happens the whole coil will take off from the surface of the magnet and as we say it, magnet "repels" the coil :)

So, yes, I think Lorenz force is wrong, at least it is not complete and when we deal with current carrying solenoids which are facing surface of a magnet , we should forget about the Lorenz force, because Lorenz doesn't explain what happens in this section. At least this is my understanding of what happens in here. I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what you think about all these :)

I think the upwards movement of wires (In section A for example) happen because of the resistance the wire faces when they tries to move to the right hand side of magnet. Same thing happens when in section B, wire tries to move towards the left hand side of magnet. It faces a resistance and moves upwards. This resistance becomes stronger when we have a coil on top of a magnet. Right wires try to go to left and left wires will try to go to right and they end up taking off from surface of magnet.

Best Regards
Sam
Turn your magnets 90*,and bobs ya uncle,all is well.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 27, 2014, 02:21:13 PM
Turn your magnets 90*,and bobs ya uncle,all is well.

Hi Tinman :) Thanks for commenting.
I have done the 90 degrees rotation of magnet with a single wire and the wire goes to the equator of magnet and stops there, but I have not done the test with solenoid and I don't have any of my stuff in here (I'm traveling now), but as soon as I get home, I test that also. But I think the solenoid will just try to rotate the magnet 90 degrees so S pole of magnet faces the N pole of solenoid :)

@dieter. Hi again :) I can not imagine ( I don't have the possibility to test right now, so I'm just assuming) any difference in outcome by changing the diameter of the coil :) 

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on December 27, 2014, 03:00:53 PM
Hi Tinman :) Thanks for commenting.
I have done the 90 degrees rotation of magnet with a single wire and the wire goes to the equator of magnet and stops there, but I have not done the test with solenoid and I don't have any of my stuff in here (I'm traveling now), but as soon as I get home, I test that also. But I think the solenoid will just try to rotate the magnet 90 degrees so S pole of magnet faces the N pole of solenoid :)

@dieter. Hi again :) I can not imagine ( I don't have the possibility to test right now, so I'm just assuming) any difference in outcome by changing the diameter of the coil :) 

Best Regards
Sam
It would help you out if you go read up on how the homopolar motor works. This will explain thing much better.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 27, 2014, 05:22:07 PM
It would help you out if you go read up on how the homopolar motor works. This will explain thing much better.

Actually I am familiar with homopolar motors and one of the next topic I was planing to share in here is about "N machine" or homopolar generator and discuss about why they generate high current and low voltage and how to increase their power output :)

Best Regards
Sam 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: TinselKoala on December 27, 2014, 05:39:57 PM
I think the problem is that the field from the small magnets is not uniform and the test wires are experiencing this, since the magnet pole area is small. If you sketch out the "field lines" curving about the small magnet,  you will probably find that the wire moves just as predicted wrt to the actual geometry of the field. If you can arrange for a large, uniform field by stacking magnets side by side, or other configurations, you will probably be able to get rid of the "strange" motions of the wire and see that it does move just as predicted by the force law when in a uniform field.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 28, 2014, 02:13:26 AM
Lii, it is not hard to imagine. Look at your drawing. How are the arrows 25% from the edge? Perfectly horizontal.


Although, I have made slightly diffrent observations with a coil and a small cylindrical magnet: the closer the magnet is to the edge, the more is the force horizontal. The closer the magnet is to the center of the coil, the more vertical is the force. As we have seen with the wire, this has nothing to do with the distance. There clearly IS a 90 deg shifting of the reaction. Instead of attraction to north and repulsion to south, we now see Attraction at the left edge of north and repulsion at the right edge of the same pole, or visa versa with a reverse current, and the same thing works with the south pole.


As I have already mentioned, this phenomenon can be seen only in gyroscopical recession.
Tinman, I'm afraid turning the PMs by 90° will nullify the induction efficiency.


TK, I don't think so and I highly reccommend you do this simple experiment personally right now.


Peace
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 28, 2014, 08:59:54 PM


Although, I have made slightly diffrent observations with a coil and a small cylindrical magnet: the closer the magnet is to the edge, the more is the force horizontal. The closer the magnet is to the center of the coil, the more vertical is the force. As we have seen with the wire, this has nothing to do with the distance. There clearly IS a 90 deg shifting of the reaction. Instead of attraction to north and repulsion to south, we now see Attraction at the left edge of north and repulsion at the right edge of the same pole, or visa versa with a reverse current, and the same thing works with the south pole.


As I have already mentioned, this phenomenon can be seen only in gyroscopical recession.


Hi dieter :)
You are very right my friend :) When magnet moved vertically towards the edge of a solenoid, the solenoid will move away from magnet horizontally! So much for " for every action there is equal and OPPOSITE reaction" :D Its absolutely a gyroscopic phenomenon!
I have been trying to think about this since morning and I will continue thinking about this. Something tells me we can find an interesting results by studying these effects :)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on December 28, 2014, 09:37:51 PM
Okay boys, let's bring out the big guns.

The answer is in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c)

In plain technical English, the force on the wire is the cross product of the direction the current is flowing in and the direction of the magnetic field.  That will cover every possible force phenomenon you observe when having a current-carrying wire interact with the magnetic field of a magnet.

It's universal, it will apply anywhere.  it explains the fantastic "Rodin coil as the next-generation high-fidelity speaker system" also.

In simple English, if the current is flowing in direction X, and the magnetic field is in direction Y, then the force will be in direction Z.  In other words, the force is at right angles to the direction of the wire and at right angles to the direction of the magnetic field, a la x-y-z.

Quote
Its absolutely a gyroscopic phenomenon!

Whoops!  I don't think so, just look at the clip.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: broli on December 28, 2014, 09:54:16 PM
Okay boys, let's bring out the big guns.

The answer is in this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c)

In plain technical English, the force on the wire is the cross product of the direction the current is flowing in and the direction of the magnetic field.  That will cover every possible force phenomenon you observe when having a current-carrying wire interact with the magnetic field of a magnet.

It's universal, it will apply anywhere.  it explains the fantastic "Rodin coil as the next-generation high-fidelity speaker system" also.

In simple English, if the current is flowing in direction X, and the magnetic field is in direction Y, then the force will be in direction Z.  In other words, the force is at right angles to the direction of the wire and at right angles to the direction of the magnetic field, a la x-y-z.

Whoops!  I don't think so, just look at the clip.

Not everybody necessarily agrees with that point of view. Here's one person who doesn for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti (https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti)

He makes equally good video presentations. I dare you to play the whole playlist (but I doubt you will :) ).
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 28, 2014, 10:09:22 PM
Not everybody necessarily agrees with that point of view. Here's one person who doesn for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti (https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti)

He makes equally good video presentations. I dare you to play the whole playlist (but I doubt you will :) ).
Hello :)

I can not thank you enough for sharing the youtube channel. I am already in love with the guy :)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on December 28, 2014, 10:20:48 PM
Not everybody necessarily agrees with that point of view. Here's one person who doesn for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti (https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti)

He makes equally good video presentations. I dare you to play the whole playlist (but I doubt you will :) ).

I am looking at his channel and I don't see anything yet about the interaction between a current-carrying wire and a constant magnetic field.  I doubt that he discusses this or discusses the root explanation.  Assuming that I am correct, how do you know that he disagrees with what is taught in the clip I linked to?  Perhaps you are making a judgment too soon.

You notice in my clip he explains how an electric motor works.  Anybody could set up a simple experiment and verify that what is stated in the clip is true.  Make a little motor with some loops of wire and a pivot point.  Sit that on top of one of your bigger coils and put DC current through the coil.  Then put current through the loops of wire and confirm that the cross-product interaction takes place.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: TinselKoala on December 28, 2014, 10:44:48 PM
(snip)


TK, I don't think so and I highly reccommend you do this simple experiment personally right now.


Peace

Yes, I do think so, and the "experiment" is performed every time anyone runs an electric motor or generator. MH has explained it above, it is incorporated in Maxwell's Equations, you can see it happening in CRT tubes (remember those?) and in many other places in our modern lives, if you know where to look. If you could draw out accurately the "field lines" produced by your magnets or solenoids and the lines produced by the current-carrying wires, and could do the math, you would see that the vector cross-product interaction is describing accurately how things move. After all, it is just that very math that _real engineers_ use to design _real systems_ that _actually work as designed_.

Don't forget that there is a very real and important distinction between "experiment" and "demonstration". An experiment varies one or more "Independent Variables" and examines the effect of this variation on one or more "Dependent Variables" , with other variables that may confound results held constant or otherwise controlled and accounted for, and is able to assign cause-and-effect relationships between the IVs and the DVs. An experiment tests a well stated hypothesis in an attempt to falsify it, and when the attempt at falsification fails, then the hypothesis can be taken as supported by the data. "Proof" is something that is really not part of an experiment; support for a hypothesis, and by extension the overarching theory that generates the hypothesis, is all a real scientist can expect. But _disproof_ is real and is solidly attainable; if the experiment, properly done, falsifies the original hypothesis you can be confident that it is disproven.

A demonstration, otoh, just illustrates a phenomenon, and is usually conducted to try to  "prove" a point... and in the cases we encounter here and in places like this, that point is generally some hard-held item of faith that the demonstrator wants to convince others about. It is a _lot_ easier to do demonstrations, than to do actual experiments. But you can conclude nothing reliably from a mere demonstration.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 28, 2014, 11:58:22 PM
TK, that's a lot of cynical, sarcastic mambo jambo, considering the appearent fact that you still were unable to this extremly basic test personally. Maybe you ain't got no battery, wire and magnet at hands. Or maybe it's lazyness.
However, I may no more exceptionally unignore your comments because the mood of it outweights the scientific value.


Peace.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on December 29, 2014, 12:35:00 AM
Quote
Although, I have made slightly diffrent observations with a coil and a small cylindrical magnet: the closer the magnet is to the edge, the more is the force horizontal. The closer the magnet is to the center of the coil, the more vertical is the force. As we have seen with the wire, this has nothing to do with the distance. There clearly IS a 90 deg shifting of the reaction. Instead of attraction to north and repulsion to south, we now see Attraction at the left edge of north and repulsion at the right edge of the same pole, or visa versa with a reverse current, and the same thing works with the south pole.


As I have already mentioned, this phenomenon can be seen only in gyroscopical recession.
Tinman, I'm afraid turning the PMs by 90° will nullify the induction efficiency.

The problem is that the above is the mambo jambo.  The terminology is not correct and you are not stripping the investigation down to the bare essentials.  How does a wire with current flowing though it react to the presence of a magnetic field?   The clip I linked to gives you the real answer.

Then if you extend the investigation to a magnet you have to ask yourself what is the direction of the magnetic field around the magnet.  Then once you have established the direction of the magnetic field where you want to make your test, put the current-carrying wire in place and make your observations.

You can't render a judgment on something from a position of half-awareness and speculation with a bias towards "we don't know everything" all the time.  If you just back up and watch my clip and absorb the information then everything will make sense when you explore magnet/wire interactions.

This one is a done deal, and hopefully you and others will appreciate this.  The Rodin coil demo where they turn it into a tinny speaker is a farce because they fail to explain the mechanism producing the sound and instead attempt to bundle it in with the alleged "unique properties of the Rodin coil."
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: TinselKoala on December 29, 2014, 01:56:53 AM
TK, that's a lot of cynical, sarcastic mambo jambo, considering the appearent fact that you still were unable to this extremly basic test personally. Maybe you ain't got no battery, wire and magnet at hands. Or maybe it's lazyness.
However, I may no more exceptionally unignore your comments because the mood of it outweights the scientific value.


Peace.

Ah, no it is not. If I performed the DEMONSTRATION you have suggested of course I will get the same result. And I have explained why, already, and I've suggested, twice now, how to explain those result properly and how they actually do correspond to what is predicted by the actual math. You seem to think that magnetic field lines of force are uniformly straight up out of a magnet or solenoid pole. They are not, they are closed curves and are especially tightly curved at the edges of the magnet or solenoid face. The vector cross product applies, and fully describes the movement of the wire in the DEMONSTRATION you are talking about.

And the examples I gave: electric motor design, generator design, the performance of CRTs, etc etc are instances that work the way they do because they were designed by engineers using that math. The FACT that these and other systems work is a consequence of the understanding of the relationships embodied in the equations that predict the motions and interactions concerned. And your DEMONSTRATION actually demonstrates the truth and validity of those predictions. But since your mental model is incorrect, you cannot perceive this fact, and you will be hopeless if you actually try to design something using your incorrect model.

The paragraph I wrote about the nature of true experiments is solid fact and you can look it up for yourself. Google "true experiment" and read some of the 235 million results you get back.

Do you seriously think that I don't have batteries, magnets, wires and all of that? That I am lazy, with over 700 videos concerning various topics? You are funny indeed.


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 29, 2014, 02:27:28 AM
Broli, that is an interesting channel, for an electrical engineer with 30 years experience this guy is remarkably openminded. I like his attitude and even more the attitude of Mr. T., who is introduced in "New Magnetism".


And I wasn't aware that Heaviside was selfthought, postmortem kudos. Even if he allowed some facts be slipped under the table in order to simplify things for Steinmetz and Co.


I was reading your quote on MH. I don't want to spend too much energy in a defensive statement, but consider that in his teaching he didn't even mention any vector or speed of motion that mechanicly causes the flux change. This way he does not only miss the whole point of this discussion, but reveals a severe lack of understanding in the field of induction. So this may be worse than I thought. I don't want to insult the guy, this is just a conclusion.


When you read about Lenz' Law, as well as the Lorentz force,  on Wikipedia then the part that explains the thing that brakes a generator under load takes less than a half a phrase, stating that the lorentz force opposes every force that "causes" the induction. Now THAT is totally scientific, right? The whole bunch of equations certainly proofs it. NOT. Nonetheless it is stated that the lorentz force is in 90° angle to the B field (regardless of motion vector).


I think we really need to reexamine the very basics, find the flaws in the doctrine so we can proceed.


Peace

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on December 29, 2014, 03:28:25 AM
Quote
I was reading your quote on MH. I don't want to spend too much energy in a defensive statement, but consider that in his teaching he didn't even mention any vector or speed of motion that mechanicly causes the flux change. This way he does not only miss the whole point of this discussion, but reveals a severe lack of understanding in the field of induction. So this may be worse than I thought. I don't want to insult the guy, this is just a conclusion.

The remedial debating team strikes again.  All that I ask is that if you want to consider alternative explanations for things is that you also look at what established science has to offer.  We have the technology, we have figured out how a current-carrying wire interacts with a magnetic field.  Just remember that among the blind, the one-eyed man is king.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 30, 2014, 01:39:52 AM
Ok guys, I did the test and I have to say that I was wrong and it doesn't work the way I was thinking it would. I'm sorry for wasting your times... Well, at least now I know that this design doesn't work and why...

Thanks to all of those who participated in this conversation :)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 30, 2014, 06:46:36 PM
What exactly happened?


Peace
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on December 30, 2014, 09:04:12 PM
Hi All !  I accidentally found a russian document about Lorentz . 
     RUS  : Так, если изменение магнитного потока вызвано изменением площади контура
 (например, за счёт движения одной из сторон прямоугольного контура),
 то индукционный ток возбуждается силой Лоренца,
 действующей на электроны перемещаемого проводника в
 постоянном магнитном поле.
 Если же изменение магнитного потока связано с изменением величины внешнего магнитного поля,
 то индукционный ток возбуждается вихревым электрическим полем,
появляющимся при изменении магнитного поля.
    translate.google.com
  EN  :  Thus, if the change caused by the change of the magnetic flux loop area
  (eg, due to movement of one of the sides of a rectangular circuit)
  then the induced current is excited by the Lorentz force,
  acting on the electrons move in a conductor
  constant magnetic field.
  If the magnetic flux change due to the change of the external magnetic field,
  then the induced current is excited vortex electric field,
appearing when the magnetic field.
           yup! That is why the  window generator overunity ......   on coils Lorenz and Lenz proceeds
     Vortical current  in the core axis
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on December 30, 2014, 09:16:26 PM
What exactly happened?

Peace

Well, it seems like I forgot one of the first law of electromagnetic induction. The wire must move 90 degrees and vertically toward the magnetic field not align with the magnetic filed. In the pic you can see that the side of solenoid with green circle around it is responsible for generating electricity and it is divided to tow sides:  The red and the pink circle. These two are in opposite magnetic fields and what ever they generate will be canceled by the other one, thus no current will flow through the solenoid... And I also did a test and no current was generated which made me kind of sad but its always good to find out ones mistakes ;) But this doesn't mean we can't get around Lenz's law. This was just one of the ideas, there are many more. I'm working on one right now ^_^


Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: NoBull on December 31, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
Well, there is nothing long with failure as long as you learn from it and don't repeat it.
For the future, remember your results and point them out to another member that is making the same error.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on December 31, 2014, 08:30:06 PM
Sam,


ok, thank you. Basicly, it forces the electrons to one side of the coil, but not out of the coil. Nevertheless, we came to some interesting observations in this thread. Good luck with your new idea!


Boris,


thanks for the information.


Happy New Year to all of You.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: life is illusion on January 02, 2015, 03:08:22 PM
Sam,

ok, thank you. Basicly, it forces the electrons to one side of the coil, but not out of the coil. Nevertheless, we came to some interesting observations in this thread. Good luck with your new idea!

Boris,

thanks for the information.


Happy New Year to all of You.

Dear dieter, I agree with you my friend, we did come to some interesting observations in this thread. Thank you and same goes to you :)

@ Nobull, yes my firend, that is very true and for sure I will do that :)

@ Boris, thanks for sharing that info my friend, I appreciate it :)

Happy new year to you all and good luck experimenting :) I hope in year 2015 we could break some thermodynamic laws together because they are for heat transfer systems and don't belong to the world of electromagnetism ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: VMP100 on June 27, 2016, 09:49:11 PM
Hey guys how are you all doing? Has any of you tried something new with the Lenz free generator?

I am thinking of building a small one, I came across this concept:
http://itawk.com/cgi-bin/myCMS.cgi?page=lenzless_generator_proof_of_concept (http://itawk.com/cgi-bin/myCMS.cgi?page=lenzless_generator_proof_of_concept)

Would you say that it is a good design to start with or should I change something?

VMP

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on June 27, 2016, 10:36:49 PM
I didn't understand the principle, maybe I should try harder ("the men who are staring at schematics"...).

Would be useful to have some explanation of the essential features and  how it is diffrent.

BTW. yesterday I uploaded a paper about a lenzless method based on the reverse lorentz force anomaly, this you may find intetesting to read. (Files section of this site).
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: VMP100 on June 27, 2016, 10:57:42 PM
Hey there Dieter!

I think we should just try to build it and test it instead of trying to understand it :-)

Found the file let me read it.

Best,
VMP
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on June 29, 2016, 04:34:24 AM
You're right! I think it was Einstein who said "50% is theory and 50% is experiment."
And Richard Feynman wrote a half a page of text to express: if the experiment doesn't validate the theory then the theory is wrong.

I find it extremly entertaining to see those highly educated, established people, having to discuss this question. Something that even a chimp understands immediately.

Well, nothing against Feynman, he just pointed out that some of his collegues would refuse to drop a theory only because they loved it so much, despite the fact that the theory was experimentally debunked already.

Like eg. Relativity Theory which could not integrate / was incompatible with the already known quantum theory.

Yep, build it. At least, it's easy to test for "Lenz-Freedom": with a certain RPM, you measure how long it takes the rotor to stop, first with an open, unconnected coil, and then with a shortened coil. If these times are the same (provided the coil is quite effective in current generation in this setup), then it's Lenz-free.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: darediamond on June 29, 2016, 05:54:45 AM
Hi guys,


I'm glad to see something really productive being posted here.  I was thinking that rather building a completely different generator/motor that is lenz free,  it would be equally just as effective if we can attach a regular generator to a Bi-toroid transformer. The generator would not feel any more resistance under load than it would be without one. Of course, building a Bi-toroid transformer is difficult but easier than a completely new type of generator.


I do not think building a bitoroid track is hard if you are going to use powdered  carbonated iron, Resin and accelerator and catalyst.

Simply Get 5mm thick Veroo board or Plywood, Matt knife, Iron Ruler, Glue and with these items make a Splitted Mould which you would glue together and a Bobbing.

Most bitoroid Cores are Square in shape. So you just need to cut out the divide that Square into 2 when cutting making your mould. So this means you will have two separate c shapes cores which will be taped together after the whole assembling.


Madeo
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on June 30, 2016, 10:54:38 PM
That would require a functioning Thane Heins Bitorroid Transformer. Personally I haven't verified this principle, and what I've seen on tube etc. is contradicting.


Also, I am having problems with the principle because it expects the CEMF to take a path on which it will collide with an opposing flux (the other half of the CEMF). It may however be true that at a certain degree of saturation of the main core, the CEMF takes indeed the additional, outer path.


It's an interesting thought, but a lot of research work in the bitoroid business would have to be done beforehand.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Here2njoy on July 01, 2016, 12:50:26 AM
Speaking of Thane Heins he has resurfaced with another Youtube site  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBslCeRonaXNJ0x_g_ZTEew

He seems to be posting a lot lately.

Cheers,
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 11, 2016, 05:47:59 PM
Hi Dieter,


Here is my build of your first version:


The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mm


The induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pk


In the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.


In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.


In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.


Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.


Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.be


Ron





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 24, 2016, 12:17:02 AM
Well, version two on the test bed/.


Just in round numbers, output 2.36 watts, prime mover increased draw 2.4 watts
so no free lunch here, mind you that is very efficient.


In effect it is a variable reluctance generator


Test conditions:


1750 RPM, 8 laminated slugs 12,5mm by 25 mm dia. laminated core. 8.39 volts AC no load, 4.14 volts over 7.2 ohm load.


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on July 24, 2016, 03:50:58 AM
Well, version two on the test bed/.


Just in round numbers, output 2.36 watts, prime mover increased draw 2.4 watts
so no free lunch here, mind you that is very efficient.


In effect it is a variable reluctance generator


Test conditions:


1750 RPM, 8 laminated slugs 12,5mm by 25 mm dia. laminated core. 8.39 volts AC no load, 4.14 volts over 7.2 ohm load.


Ron

Ron

Are you saying the P/in was 2.4 watts to the prime mover,and output was 2.36 watts?-or are you saying the prime mover power/in went up a further 2.4 watts?

If the P/in total is 2.4 watt's,and the output is 2.36 watts,then i suggest you calculate the power being dissipated by the motor it self-as waste heat,and also take into account the power being dissipated as waste heat by the generating coil it self-not just the electrical power out from the generating coil-->this is something many fail to take into account when making P/out measurements.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 24, 2016, 04:52:40 AM
Ron

Are you saying the P/in was 2.4 watts to the prime mover,and output was 2.36 watts?-or are you saying the prime mover power/in went up a further 2.4 watts?

If the P/in total is 2.4 watt's,and the output is 2.36 watts,then i suggest you calculate the power being dissipated by the motor it self-as waste heat,and also take into account the power being dissipated as waste heat by the generating coil it self-not just the electrical power out from the generating coil-->this is something many fail to take into account when making P/out measurements.


Brad


Sorry I thought "increased draw" was clear?


P/in is 44.4 watts no load. Under load this increased to 46.8 watts


What I was indicating is this is not Lenz. free as  claimed


Thanks for the come back though!


Ron
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on July 24, 2016, 05:12:49 AM

Sorry I thought "increased draw" was clear?


P/in is 44.4 watts no load. Under load this increased to 46.8 watts


What I was indicating is this is not Lenz. free as  claimed


Thanks for the come back though!


Ron
[size=78%] [/size]

Ah ok.

The thing most do not realize is that if there is no Lenz/lorentz force,then there is no generation of power.

You actually have to do the opposite,and increase the lorentz force,but at the same time,you have to configure the geometry of the generator correctly.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on July 24, 2016, 05:27:04 AM
Er___, seems I have heard this same thing someplace else.   Wonder where...?

 :)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on July 24, 2016, 07:06:07 AM
It all has to start simple and work towards what you really want:
http://stomp.space/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Mag-Sweep.mp4
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 24, 2016, 05:16:10 PM
Ah ok.

snip

You actually have to do the opposite,and increase the lorentz force,but at the same time,you have to configure the geometry of the generator correctly.


Brad


Brad, what configuration did you find that came closest to this?


This was just a little fill in project while I was waiting for turion to show us how he got 120 watts in and 800 watts out.


Thanks


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on July 25, 2016, 05:12:40 PM

Brad, what configuration did you find that came closest to this?


This was just a little fill in project while I was waiting for turion to show us how he got 120 watts in and 800 watts out.


Thanks


Ron

Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. There is 4600 turns of wire all up on that stator ::),and yes,it's messy and uneven--but it is only a proof of concept.
The larger version will be based on/around a 500 watt motor,and configured a little different.

When a load is placed on the two generating coils,it increases the magnetic field strength at the 4 poles. When this happens,you gain torque from the motor without any additional power being drawn from the source--in fact,my last model showed a large power decrease being drawn from the source,while an increase in both electrical and mechanical power was produced.

What i am basically doing,is using the increase in magnetic forces that would be seen in a transformer between the primary and secondary,when a load is placed on the secondary,and using those increasing magnetic forces to turn the permanent magnet rotor,where those permanent magnets-at the same time,induce a current in the generating coils,through the normal generating process.

When the primary coils switch on,the secondary coils(the generator coils) produce an apposing magnetic field to that of the primaries-at the pole pieces. This creates a bucking field,which pushes harder against the magnets on the rotor,and thus creates more torque from the motor,while dropping the input power down.

The switching is a push/pull switching arrangement,where for 1/4 of a cycle,the magnets are pulled toward the pole pieces,and the next 1/4,the magnets are pushed away from the pole pieces. This creates a very nice AC output from the generator coil's,that also includes a high voltage spike .

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ALVARO_CS on July 25, 2016, 06:00:43 PM
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on July 25, 2016, 06:52:40 PM
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 01:33:25 AM
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light


Hi Sky,


Yes there is a magnet there. This design is from Dieter's PDF, post #44, "Reverse Lorentz  Force Anomaly"


Thanks for the suggestion... I will investigate that


Ron


Quote page 3 of Dieter's PDF


Possible implementations
 As the iron body is basicly attracted by the permanent magnet, this gradient of force must be
 compensated by some kind of lever / counterforce system as described further below (Fig. 4).
 It is a fact that the maximum field strength will never be higher that the one with the fixed
 distance between coil and permanent magnet. This comparatively low output versus apparatus
 size ratio may be compensated by stronger permanent magnets, or by a feedback of the output
 into an electromagnet, such as in selfexciting generators, however, it demands for high
 induction, high precision and low friction design.
 To be discussed may be whether or not the reactive field of the coil reduces the attraction of
 the iron body by the permanent magnet while approaching (Fig. 0b), and reduces the repelling
 while being repelled (Fig. 0a).
 It may well be that the loss of attraction by the permanent magnet (caused by opposing domains
 in the iron body due to the opposing coil field) is compensated by the repelling force of the
 reactive coil field, but meanwhile there is already a current flow, basicly free of the Lenz law.
 Likewise, the iron body is more attracted by the permanent magnet when moving away from it
 because the field strength is amplified by the coil. But at the same time the iron body will be  attracted by the coil as well, so again the two additional forces cancel each other out, while
 there is actually a current flow.
 Compared to conventional induction, this is quite diffrent: in conventional induction the
 inducing magnet is repelled _only_ while approaching the coil, and it is attracted _only_ when
 moving away. Classic Lenz' law 1-0-1.
 Nevertheless, based on the possible selfcanceling features of the described additional forces,
 selfaccelleration probably may not occur. However, there is still power generation without the
 "brakeing", reactive Lorentz force, which by it's own is sensational and a violation of "the law".
 Rotating systems (Fig 1abcd, 2, 3) have been evaluated. While the Reverse Lorentz Force
 Anomaly was observed too, there are indications that the approximation of the iron body from
 the side may be complicating the interactions of attracting and repelling forces, making the
 design trickier. However, in close proximity, where field strengths are more significant, the
 anomaly was clearly observed.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 01:39:24 AM
Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. snip

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.

Brad


Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 01:42:45 AM
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro


Let us know how it runs.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 02:55:17 AM

I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.

Regards




Erfinder, how can you say that? after he has told us so much about his generator?


It is the biggest he has ever built, he has a machinist friend that worked on it, he has it back now and has done a test and it uses more then it did before... I mean how much more can we ask for? LOL


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 06:05:24 PM
What you were told is useless.  Don't take my word for it.....do something with what you were told prove me wrong.

Regards


First of all you have to have a feeling for (English) humour. I realize that that might not translate well.


What I said was confirmation of your statement ...
Quote
I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.[/size]
I found that very humorous! what I said was yes, he has given us nothing, the size etc was a parody


We are on the same page, laugh


Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 26, 2016, 09:54:42 PM

My bad....I didn't realize you were having a bit of fun.  I take this stuff too serious, more serious than he does.

Regards


Not a problem. The problem is Dieter has turned into another Dave. He has put out an idea but has then gone quiet.


Did I understand the concept? probably not


Did I get the dimensions and proportions right? definitely not


Has he been of any help in correcting my misconceptions? no


Has Dave shown a working model? no


Has Dieter shown a working model? no


Can I continue with either project? no


Are both devices pie in the sky? YES


Back to my coffee for answers, LOL


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 27, 2016, 05:04:19 PM
...Have they presented any ideas on "where" we should be looking for the energy we seek, the real energy?  Big fat no there too......Time to clear your memory of all that junk, install a new operating system, and run towards your idea of truth and reality, better yours than someone elses.

Regards


AMEN!


Thanks


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on July 28, 2016, 02:53:02 PM

Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron

Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on July 28, 2016, 04:57:50 PM
Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad


Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on July 29, 2016, 01:02:02 AM

Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron

There are 4 poles on the rotor-alternating pattern-as the scope shot reflects.
The clearance ATM between pole pieces and rotor magnets,is about 10mm-but still yet to fine tune that,as this was just a quick !throw the rotor on,and give it a spin! run.

Quick P/in-P/out measurements.

P/in= 24v @ 350mA
P/out-as per scope values=
 coil A= 6.6 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor
Coil B= 7 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor.
There is also a 12 volt battery being charged at the same time,but i did not calculate for that.
Even so,there is obviously a large measurement error there some where,and i will find out where it is over the weekend.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 06, 2016, 05:38:08 PM
It's been a few days, and as is usual, no one seems to give a damn about the real issue.  Why in the hell is an increase in inductive reactance being celebrated as a step in the right direction? 


This is complete and utter insanity, in a word, USELESS!  I mean no offense, however, it seems that the intelligence of those who do think is being challenged, and as such something must be said.  We are well aware of what governs consumption in motors....right?  Understanding that, when the consumption drops, we must refer back to that which governs consumption!  From here its clear that the application of load modifies the reactive cross section of the motor circuit, in this case is not so much an increase in inductance, but more like the voltage and its associated current which are induced in the generator winding proper, are of such a polarity and phase that it augments the motor CEMF, raising it, the mechanism for this augmentation is transformer action, transformer action in a circuit of poor geometric relation. 

In the end, the motors ability to limit its consumption has been amplified by a whopping 50%!  Lenz isn't helping you here, hes getting 50% more out of you, but who am I....you people can and will believe whatever you want. 


Regards


I was bring quiet because I was looking at JB's zero force motor... and didn't want anyone to find that out, lol


Ron


PS: do you have any models or drawings to illustrate your ideas?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 06, 2016, 08:42:46 PM



About a month ago I uploaded a video demonstrating an unconventional means for generating acceleration under load.

regards


Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on August 06, 2016, 09:19:10 PM

Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron

Dear Ron.

Here you go.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 06, 2016, 09:37:46 PM
Dear Ron.

Here you go.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc)

Cheers Grum.


Thanks Grum!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 06, 2016, 09:53:58 PM

  This leads to an even deeper insight, namely the ability to view the coil as it is, specifically as a generator coil which is periodically biased so as to generate both a motoring force and self excitation.


Regards




OK, thanks to Grum I have seen the video.


But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?


Very nice build and well filmed incidentally.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 07, 2016, 11:10:35 AM
The demo was not an instructional video, it was not my intention to share the coil geometry, nor reveal specifics of what was being shorted.  The purpose was to demonstrate the effect of acceleration in an air core motor-generator of moderately low inductance and resistance.  A second video was shot demonstrating the exact same effect using a system of even lower inductance and resistance values, however, it was decided that one vague video was enough.
Regards
I still hope you'll reconsider your position on sharing your configuration details.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 07, 2016, 11:19:17 AM
snip...
But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?
snip..
Ron
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 07, 2016, 01:41:52 PM
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
Cheers

Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 07, 2016, 05:03:55 PM
Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad


Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!


Being a recent forced retiree  of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out"  forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group?  LOL


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 08, 2016, 01:02:45 AM

Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!


Being a recent forced retiree  of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out"  forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group?  LOL


Ron

Ah-did that involve a UFO  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 08, 2016, 01:17:36 AM









 




Regards

Quote
I am in no hurry to share anything with you.  You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway.  I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture.  The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations, and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, the more one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....

The fact that i can nail it every time,in many different configurations says otherwise.
I know exactly what is happening,and can build the device to make use of this effect.

Quote
That one vague video of mine reveals more about what can be done, and the path which should be taken than your LAG, a title which has no justification, ever will. The thing I get the biggest kick out of is recognizing that you have no idea where the power you are desperately seeking is supposed to be coming from.  Its depressing watching you struggle with the concepts surrounding the acceleration concept, its even more depressing watching you drag the gullible from experiment to experiment and then dropping them off there, leaving them with the same questions that they started with.  If this weren't enough, the constant bitching and complaining and whining has literally stripped you of all street credit.  The scope and meters are more important than the ideas, and anyone who thinks opposite is an idiot?  I am fed the fuck up with all this, your term RUBBISH, and I am not alone, but the others will not voice their opinion, oh well....some one has to say something.

Sorry Erfinder,but you are only fooling your self. That last video of yours shows nothing at all--nothing. No power measurements,no explanation of the configuration-nothing,and yet you think it shows us everything we need to know  :o

Quote
And all this from a guy who has yet to graduate from the SG circuit....This from a guy who has replicated every promising pulse motor concept, making it your business to show that the person you are replicating doesn't know what hes doing.  You sir don't know what you're doing, but you like to lead others to believe you do, fine and dandy, gonna need to draw out a map for all those garden paths you've led folk down.  One of my favorite fuck ups of yours pertains to the Zero Force Motor, I thought it was really amusing how you went out of your way to suggest that your misnamed concept is superior to that concept, its not, and you would know this had you done your homework on the subject, the concept and the associated principles, known and unknown to the public are old.  The LAG is an abomination, a sick joke being played on the gullible, and a slap in the face to all who paved the way, you would be wise to review history.

A big opinion from some one so small,and i see yet another JB fanatic desperately clinging to the rubbish pile.

Perhaps you would like to put your theory to the test,and take me on in a build off?--put your money where your mouth is ;)
Perhaps you put your little motor that we got to see in your latest video-->or should i say-only video of late,up against my latest creation--both of which shows this acceleration under load.
Electrical P/in,and mechanical,electrical and heat P/out.

What do you say Erfinder--you up for that ?

I always find it amusing to see people put my work down,but come to the crunch,they normally go running when it comes time to put there devices or theories up against mine.

Sorry Erfinder,but i have to laugh when you state that your video showed us so much,when in fact,it showed nothing at all.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 08, 2016, 09:04:10 AM
snip...
My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase!  This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards
This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing. Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.

Your statement 'motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker', reflects the results of a round of experiments with air cores I did a few years ago. My approach was/is completely unlike yours I gather, hence my curiosity about the parameters of your machine is piqued.
While I acknowledge your right to keep your configuration to yourself, I still hope you'll reconsider sharing. This is after all, an open discussion forum.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 08, 2016, 11:53:15 AM
Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.

Your statement 'motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker', reflects the results of a round of experiments with air cores I did a few years ago. My approach was/is completely unlike yours I gather, hence my curiosity about the parameters of your machine is piqued.
While I acknowledge your right to keep your configuration to yourself, I still hope you'll reconsider sharing. This is after all, an open discussion forum.
Cheers

Quote
My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase!  This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards

And mine decreases the required P/in,but increase the torque with a gain in RPM.

As i stated before,the lorentz force must be increased-not decreased as many believe.

Quote
This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing.

In order to do this,you must maintain current flow value throughout the RPM range,without having to increase the voltage.
This is what i have achieved with the L.A.G. Current value is maintained by increasing (what most refer to here as) Lenz,not decreasing !!Lenz!!.
Lenz is a law,and so using lorentz force is more applicable here.

It is a miss-belief that in order to gain acceleration under load,you must decrease !Lenz!,when in fact,to maintain current flow,while your electric motor still acts as a generator also,is to increase the lorentz force--and there is only one way to do that,and it is opposite to what others are trying to do.

Below are two video's where my research into this !speed up under load! started.
The first one shows not only a gain in torque,but a decrease in power consumption also.
The second video shows the RT up against an !off the shelf! motor,in way of a house fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xRcSkPYn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpJ97M58G4


Some of us talk,and some of us do.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 08, 2016, 02:42:26 PM
Brad
I'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 08, 2016, 04:00:25 PM

That's funny....







Regards

Quote
Brad would have everyone's attention, maybe even mine if he finished what he started, he won't.....so hes no better than he says I am.

What you mean to say is-i am un aware if Brad has finished what he started.
Just because you cannot see something,dosnt mean it's not there.

OU is not the only forum i am on,and there is another very few people know of,and not all is found on youtube  ;D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 08, 2016, 04:01:33 PM
I'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
Cheers

No problem hoptaod,i hope Erfinder can help you out.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 08, 2016, 09:40:16 PM



For those interested in the Zero force Motor


Ron


https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 08, 2016, 11:55:00 PM
And mine decreases the required P/in,but increase the torque with a gain in RPM.

As i stated before,the lorentz force must be increased-not decreased as many believe.

In order to do this,you must maintain current flow value throughout the RPM range,without having to increase the voltage.
This is what i have achieved with the L.A.G. Current value is maintained by increasing (what most refer to here as) Lenz,not decreasing !!Lenz!!.
Lenz is a law,and so using lorentz force is more applicable here.

It is a miss-belief that in order to gain acceleration under load,you must decrease !Lenz!,when in fact,to maintain current flow,while your electric motor still acts as a generator also,is to increase the lorentz force--and there is only one way to do that,and it is opposite to what others are trying to do.

Below are two video's where my research into this !speed up under load! started.
The first one shows not only a gain in torque,but a decrease in power consumption also.
The second video shows the RT up against an !off the shelf! motor,in way of a house fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xRcSkPYn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpJ97M58G4


Some of us talk,and some of us do.

Brad



@Brad - The "Lorentz Force" may not be clear to many, as it is the total Force (F) exerted on a Charge (e) when moving with Velocity (v) in a Magnetic Field (B) - See Below Image.

See:  Lorentz  force (http://www.ncert.nic.in/html/learning_basket/electricity/electricity/effects_of_current/lorentz_force.htm)

I agree with what you’re saying, and yes it is a case of Increasing and not decreasing the Forces we are working with. In the immediate localised area.

Decreasing is specifically meant in a context, from Output to Input, not in the total System. Which is what the RT shows as we all know!

@All:
Anytime Electromagnetic Induction Occurs, there is a High Stress Area between the Source (Primary) and the Destination (Secondary), the same is true between any array of Coils that Electromagnetic Induction occurs between. It is true that any Magnetic Field Changing in Time can invoke Electromagnetic Induction!!! Weather this Magnetic Field be the 1st or the 7th…

Count all the Fields in your device, understand each one and where it is coming from! Understand that each Magnetic Field changing in Time can be the Source for Electromagnetic Induction again, and the chain goes on…



   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 09, 2016, 12:27:37 AM


What I mean is exactly what I said!


Regarding your RT, I'm not looking.....because I am not interested.  I am just voicing what I pick out of the ether chatter......
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 09, 2016, 01:13:58 AM




Some names here on this forum I remember from many years ago - All of which have made nearly zero progress.


You all should take an opportunity to learn from the ones that have very clearly shown so very much more than you could ever achieve! Listen, study, learn, ask questions, and most of all break the mould, learn something of value and loose the Sausage Science BS that fills the minds of the weak minded designed to keep you all breast fed...

Brad (Tinman) and Graham Gunderson have given you all, the best demonstrations in perhaps the last 20 odd years... Demonstrations that show you very clearly they have Hard Real Working Science that can right now change the world if it wasn’t for the Blind Arrogance, BS Sausage Science that fills your minds!!!

Some will never learn, some might, but this world desperately needs this, we have needed it for years now.  Decades!!!

Be part of the future!!! Not a burden of History!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on August 09, 2016, 05:25:10 PM



   Well you certainly hit a few nails on the head there Erfinder!!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 09, 2016, 10:39:48 PM


You have nothing worth looking at, everything you vomit out can be found online somewhere....sooo, I am not listening to you.  Do yourself a favor, demonstrate "self assisted oscillation". You claim you have but those who know know you haven't.  You don't have an original bone in your body, even your quotes are copy and paste.....what can anyone expect to learn from a professional and prolific plagiarist....your guess is as good as anyone's.


Brad hasn't given anyone a damn thing, other than a few hundred ways one should not go about doing things, oh and a few entertaining exchanges, where he gets his ass handed to him. You really should refrain from brown nosing Graham Gunderson.  Wait that's not brown nosing, you are trying to form a symbiotic relation with him, parasite.....Fucking conformist.  Your idea of learning can be equated with accepting the brainwashing.  You really think you are informing anyone of anything that isn't already being forced on them?  Do you really think everyone wants or is even interested in the phantoms you chase, partnered output coils....moron!?   Yes that was a fat dump on your legacy.... You claim to know, but have shit to show for what you know.  Your example that you got it right is to hijack someone else's work, saw you do this with Brad, and now you are doing it with Graham, dusch bag....  You sound like a science teacher, who knows the laws but cant do shit with them.  Ah but you do find those few whom you think have done something with them.  Graham....maybe.....Brad.....fail....yourself....omg...not just no...no no no!


The world desperately needs to learn how to look within to their creative side for answers, that's what inspired the damn books and the laws they contain ass clown!  Laws are only laws because we are to fucking stupid to make new ones, preoccupation with crossing t's and dotting i's has that effect on the weak!  You are so busy looking at the complex that you miss the simple, this happens to all wannabe know it all's, myself included.  You are hopelessly fucked, where as I've found what I am looking for.  So Chris....in conclusion, be fucked!




Regards





Erfinder, Potty Mouth!!!

I think your response is very professional! Very well worded! Clearly you’re a valuable member of this forum!

Nice work, keep up your showmanship, your gentlemanly display of professionalism!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



P.S: I believe a Team Effort is necessary to bring to the world, that, that, the world has not been able to accept to date, it is clear you don’t think the same, I don’t hold that against you, it’s clear from your videos you have a lot to hide, showing that you’re not into Team Work, instead you wish for Glory and Worship from your peers. When people connect the dots, they will see that my references to others work is very clearly showing more than one point of view that has merit with the topic. I give others credit for their work, clearly you have something to hide, is it someone else’s work you’re hiding?







Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 09, 2016, 10:44:01 PM


   Well you certainly hit a few nails on the head there Erfinder!!





Minnie, Thats about all Erfinder has done!!! Exactly!!!

You too hit a few Nails on the Head!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on August 09, 2016, 11:51:36 PM



 Quantum electrodynamics "The Jewel of physics", quote from Richard Feynman.
        John.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 10, 2016, 12:10:05 AM


 Quantum electrodynamics "The Jewel of physics", quote from Richard Feynman.
        John.



Richard Fenyman was key in the formation of Quantum electrodynamics as we know it today. He stated many times:


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 10, 2016, 12:16:36 AM


 Quantum electrodynamics "The Jewel of physics", quote from Richard Feynman.
        John.





It is very clear, Richard Feynman was great because he accepted the simple fact:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dave45 on August 10, 2016, 12:27:16 AM
Lol this forum never changes.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 10, 2016, 01:12:40 AM


You have nothing worth looking at, everything you vomit out can be found online somewhere....sooo, I am not listening to you.  Do yourself a favor, demonstrate "self assisted oscillation". You claim you have but those who know know you haven't.  You don't have an original bone in your body, even your quotes are copy and paste.....what can anyone expect to learn from a professional and prolific plagiarist....your guess is as good as anyone's.


Brad hasn't given anyone a damn thing, other than a few hundred ways one should not go about doing things, oh and a few entertaining exchanges, where he gets his ass handed to him. You really should refrain from brown nosing Graham Gunderson.  Wait that's not brown nosing, you are trying to form a symbiotic relation with him, parasite.....Fucking conformist.  Your idea of learning can be equated with accepting the brainwashing.  You really think you are informing anyone of anything that isn't already being forced on them?  Do you really think everyone wants or is even interested in the phantoms you chase, partnered output coils....moron!?   Yes that was a fat dump on your legacy.... You claim to know, but have shit to show for what you know.  Your example that you got it right is to hijack someone else's work, saw you do this with Brad, and now you are doing it with Graham, dusch bag....  You sound like a science teacher, who knows the laws but cant do shit with them.  Ah but you do find those few whom you think have done something with them.  Graham....maybe.....Brad.....fail....yourself....omg...not just no...no no no!


The world desperately needs to learn how to look within to their creative side for answers, that's what inspired the damn books and the laws they contain ass clown!  Laws are only laws because we are to fucking stupid to make new ones, preoccupation with crossing t's and dotting i's has that effect on the weak!  You are so busy looking at the complex that you miss the simple, this happens to all wannabe know it all's, myself included.  You are hopelessly fucked, where as I've found what I am looking for.  So Chris....in conclusion, be fucked!




Regards

More dribble from some one that is all words,and has nothing to show.

Time after time we see you post endless crap,trying to make your self sound like some sort of masiha of induction,but actually have no clue as to what your talking about.

You post 1 video that shows nothing,and you think you have solved the worlds problems.
Fact is-like so many before you,your a coward--a clown with a big mouth that shoots everyone down,but wouldnt know shit from clay if you were standing in it.

I see you also have avoided taking me on--putting any of your devices up against mine,but still happy to mouth off at all i have done-->pathetic little weasel comes to mind.

Fact is,Chris would -and has-run rings around you in the subject matter,and most of what you have to say is garbage,and most of what you show is-er,well you havnt actually shown anything at all in the past years you have been at this-->your still as lost as you were 5 years ago.

Now,go and take your med's,and try to put something together that is worth while looking at.



Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 10, 2016, 01:25:16 AM


For those interested in the Zero force Motor


Ron


https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM

Nice video Ron,but fact is,many here have been using coils in this manor for years,and the zero force motor is nothing special,and uses the coils magnetic field in the very same way a PM DC motor dose,and has been doing for over 50 years--but fun to mess around with.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 10, 2016, 03:07:21 AM
Nice video Ron,but fact is,many here have been using coils in this manor for years,and the zero force motor is nothing special,and uses the coils magnetic field in the very same way a PM DC motor dose,and has been doing for over 50 years--but fun to mess around with.


Brad


Thanks Brad,  just working towards a working model, so nice to understand what it is that is taking place before I commit to metal and plastic.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 10, 2016, 05:52:44 AM

Thanks Brad,  just working towards a working model, so nice to understand what it is that is taking place before I commit to metal and plastic.


Ron

One thing to remember,the center of either a PM or an electromagnet that some mistakenly refer to as the blotch wall,and being the neutral or weakest part or area of weakest magnetic field strenght,is actually not a blotch wall ,and is actually the point of the greatest field strength,which includes the greatest electric field where an electromagnet is concerned.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on August 10, 2016, 10:09:50 AM



   How can one delay or alter that which is instantaneous?
                John.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 10, 2016, 11:29:52 AM


   How can one delay or alter that which is instantaneous?
                John.

Nothing is delayed.
!Delaying Lenz! as they say,is not what is happening with the !speed up under load! saga.

This !speed up under load! is a misconception.
The load is already on the rotor as soon as the coil and core material is present/or in position to that of the rotor. When a load is placed on the generating coil,eddy currents that are already flowing within the coil and core material,are some what !relieved! you might say. So the load on the rotor when the coil is open,is the generation of eddy currents and that results in heat. You place a load on the coil,and the eddy current value is reduced,and there for the waste heat is also reduced-->you are turning waste heat into electrical energy when you place a load on the coil.

There is no magic in the !speed up under load! effect-->this also applies to air core coils of low inductance values.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 10, 2016, 06:55:20 PM
@tinman
Quote
One thing to remember,the center of either a PM or an electromagnet that some mistakenly refer to as the blotch wall,and being the neutral or weakest part or area of weakest magnetic field strenght,is actually not a blotch wall ,and is actually the point of the greatest field strength,which includes the greatest electric field where an electromagnet is concerned.

Actually no, as I have measured and mapped the magnetic fields with sensitive hall effect magnetometer arrays which prove otherwise. We could ask a simple question, when two opposite conditions come together what do you get... ambient conditions. Not unlike positive and negative charge coming together to negate each others external field, not unlike a positive air pressure and a negative air pressure mixing to become no air pressure. I'm really not sure how anything could be more blatantly obvious because we see these effects all around us everywhere every single minute of every day. 

Do you have proof to justify your obviously false claim?.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on August 10, 2016, 07:22:24 PM
There is no Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on August 10, 2016, 08:44:55 PM



  Bit harsh,your treatment of the tinman Erfinder?
           John.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 10, 2016, 09:05:59 PM
Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.

This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.

This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 10, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
@Erfinder
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I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....

I have found truth generally comes to light by asking the right questions which may eventually reveal the truth. One cannot fight a pack of hyenas and win, you dig a pit, bait them and let the truth of their own nature produce the desired result.

I had an interesting question the other day, a friend said "thank God". I then said "oh you believe in God?"...*as everyone nearby who knows me rolled their eye's*. I then asked, "if you believe in a God because you cannot believe the universe always was and must have been created then what created God?". Personally, my not understanding why the universe exists seems more believable to me than believing a God created from nothing created the universe from nothing because there are many things I do not understand. However something from apparently nothing such as Gods, the Universe and Energy is generally where I draw the line.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on August 10, 2016, 09:41:56 PM
Twelve coils in series , the field has to propagate in those windings, Shut the first one off before it gets to number twelve, Or better yet, shut it off and fire it before the propagation hits twelve.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2016, 12:45:50 AM
@tinman
Actually no, as I have measured and mapped the magnetic fields with sensitive hall effect magnetometer arrays which prove otherwise. We could ask a simple question, when two opposite conditions come together what do you get... ambient conditions. Not unlike positive and negative charge coming together to negate each others external field, not unlike a positive air pressure and a negative air pressure mixing to become no air pressure. I'm really not sure how anything could be more blatantly obvious because we see these effects all around us everywhere every single minute of every day. 

Do you have proof to justify your obviously false claim?.

AC

Yes i do AC,and it is obvious that you must have mapped the field incorrectly.
I am also sure you have seen my test that i carried out,and you will also find that people of the likes of Poynt agree with me-perhaps he has time to answer this question as well.

Like i said,the center of either an electromagnet or PM being of the weakest field,fools many people,as it is actually the strongest part of the field.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2016, 12:47:06 AM


  Bit harsh,your treatment of the tinman Erfinder?
           John.

Thats not harsh minnie,it's only baby talk to me.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2016, 12:50:18 AM



I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....




Regards

Time to man up baby boy,you started your arrogant bullshit at post 75--so suck it up princes.
If you cant take the heat,get out of the fire.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 01:22:06 AM

You into dribble?


You aren't qualified to see my work.



masiha....man I love it when you do this blatantly ignorant shit....HELLO spell check, use it!  The word is "messiah".  Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie.  I know what I'm talking about, and it matters little to me that you don't. 



I still say my video has more content than the 300 or so videos you've posted.  Many of them painfully long, too long, as you drag your ass through the scope and meter connections, you know the general ass kissing routine, police yourself bitch.  Keep those ducks in  line, because its so much more important to practice good measurement than it is to present a genuine original idea.

Me a coward (roar)?  No prob, I'm still two up on you, and your side kick copy paste.....I got a heart, and a brain....you too lack both....



Ah you noticed...I was hoping you noticed.  I am not interested in comparing apples and oranges.  We aren't on the same page, we aren't on the same planet. You don't have anything of interest, in a word, you're "lame"...  weasels are clever....lame is just pathetic.....



This devotion you too share is amazing, the resident copy paste junkie couldn't find his way into a moist slit even if he possessed the sense of smell of a blood hound, but you keep kissing his ass, you do that well.  You two are so damn smart (not) but between the two of you one can't find an original thought.  You can call what I say garbage, I take it as a compliment from the resident illiterate.  I read somewhere, or saw it in a movie not sure which, anyway....  "For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was!"  How's that for a  quote copy paste...not a question....Hell yeah, I am good and lost, got no strings on me.....bitch...


Not into medication, but I will have a beer.....




cheers clowns...



Erfinder - Inventor - NOT!!!

You’re the new MileHigh obviously!!!

He was banned for his idiocies, maybe you should learn from his mistakes?

You keep confusing Team Work with other less delightful procedures that your little mind seems to be affixed on, isn’t that sad, and quite disgusting!!!

Right now, your behaviour shows you are very clearly grasping, grasping for something of value because you obviously know inside yourself that what you’ve shown is nothing new and nothing of value to so many others that have surpassed you!!!

I think many will admit that they still have so much to learn, I do, I have a lot to learn, not ashamed to admit it, I bet many others that have surpassed you will also admit the same!

Sadly, you think you have already made it, achieved ultimate glory, are the Emperor of Free Energy, an Aether Tapper, or whatever fancy weirdo non-sense name you choose to put to the “Invented” term you come up with.. Sadly this is all you have "Invented" - Non-sense terms that make no sense to the rest or the world.

If you have not heard, progress is being made, it’s really your choice if you want to be part of it. Currently many would prefer not to have your Attitude present!

A friend of mine said to me, whom I deeply respect:
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I applaud you for your perseverance and ability to deal with a bunch of  slow learners !  I would have given up long ago.


Showing respect to any and all around you is common courtesy, whether they be more advanced or less advanced than you, again something that can be learned in life if one chooses…


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2016, 01:29:24 AM

You into dribble?






 
















Not into medication, but I will have a beer.....




cheers clowns...

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masiha....man I love it when you do this blatantly ignorant shit....HELLO spell check, use it!  The word is "messiah".


 Masiha-->, gives you the desire to understand and help others with their problems but, at the same time, you can become too involved and worrying as the result.
 ::)

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This devotion you too share is amazing, the resident copy paste junkie couldn't find his way into a moist slit even if he possessed the sense of smell of a blood hound, but you keep kissing his ass, you do that well.  You two are so damn smart (not) but between the two of you one can't find an original thought.  You can call what I say garbage, I take it as a compliment from the resident illiterate.  I read somewhere, or saw it in a movie not sure which, anyway....  "For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was!"  How's that for a  quote copy paste...not a question....Hell yeah, I am good and lost, got no strings on me.....bitch...


Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeZ_F1op9N8&index=7&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

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Me a coward (roar)?  No prob, I'm still two up on you, and your side kick copy paste.....I got a heart, and a brain....you too lack both....

You have no heart,only the desire to shoot down those that dont agree with you,and if you had half a brain,you'd be dangerous.

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Ah you noticed...I was hoping you noticed.  I am not interested in comparing apples and oranges.  We aren't on the same page, we aren't on the same planet. You don't have anything of interest, in a word, you're "lame"...  weasels are clever....lame is just pathetic.....

Well,we have all seen what you have--oh wait,no we havnt  ::)
The only reason we wont see anything from you,is because you know i could explain it away in a heartbeat,and it will conform to known science. That would mean you have nothing special to show-as you claim to have-->and that would not be good for you ;)

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You aren't qualified to see my work.

Seen your work--dont need to be qualified to explain it.
The problem you have,is you do not understand your own work--that has always been your downfall.

 
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Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie.  I know what I'm talking about, and it matters little to me that you don't.

What i see is a case of-->if you cant dazzle them with brilliance,then baffle them with bullshit. ;)

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I still say my video has more content than the 300 or so videos you've posted.  Many of them painfully long, too long, as you drag your ass through the scope and meter connections, you know the general ass kissing routine, police yourself bitch.  Keep those ducks in  line, because its so much more important to practice good measurement than it is to present a genuine original idea.

Your video showed what? .
You have no original idea's,as all that you do has been done before--and there is nothing special or magical about it. It is only your lack of understanding that make's it special to you.

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Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie

And yet it is you that now has Hoptoad wasting his time on something that will achieve nothing--unless he wants a big bathroom heater.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 01:39:42 AM



I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....




Regards



Perhaps you may see why I posted this, certainly it is not out of sympathy for infered treatment. For this you have bought on yourself from your own actions!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 02:25:32 AM
Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.

This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.

This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.




AC, this is a very clever post.

Any and every Induced EMF, no matter how many times an Induced EMF occurs, in a single System, has an Effect of the Source, does it not?

But, if the Source is no longer a part of the System, switched out, then the Source is no longer affected, as you say.

How long can a Magnetic Field be kept High after Switch out of the Source?

In a super conductor, indefinitely, for ever in our terms, no Source, but Magnetic Field stays High... Electron’s keep going and going and going…

So the Source can change. Not necessarily the Polarity, depending on point of View, but the Location in the system can very easily be changed. This can be done many ways. A common way is to short one coil… This I know you are very well aware of.

One point of view does not make for any proof, how you term:


He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.



A Postulate, everyone agrees, with no proof…  Although most experiments might hold, who’s to say one wont. After all, Charges are already in constant motion, all having their own Centrifugal forces… Thus making it true that a simple Magnet, will Violate Earnshaw's theorem before this experiment was even proposed - Surely we agree on this point?

There in lays the very basis of how we currently understand the Magnetic Field.

I was surprised to read this post.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 02:39:02 AM
@Erfinder
I have found truth generally comes to light by asking the right questions which may eventually reveal the truth. One cannot fight a pack of hyenas and win, you dig a pit, bait them and let the truth of their own nature produce the desired result.

I had an interesting question the other day, a friend said "thank God". I then said "oh you believe in God?"...*as everyone nearby who knows me rolled their eye's*. I then asked, "if you believe in a God because you cannot believe the universe always was and must have been created then what created God?". Personally, my not understanding why the universe exists seems more believable to me than believing a God created from nothing created the universe from nothing because there are many things I do not understand. However something from apparently nothing such as Gods, the Universe and Energy is generally where I draw the line.

AC



Beliefs are often a causal effect of one or more turns of events. I believe Richard Feynman said it best:


Some of us do the best we can, some do not, but if we have a grounded basis to proceed with, then what follows can be examined with some certainty, no belief enters the picture!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 02:44:49 AM


 Masiha-->, gives you the desire to understand and help others with their problems but, at the same time, you can become too involved and worrying as the result.
 ::)


Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeZ_F1op9N8&index=7&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

You have no heart,only the desire to shoot down those that dont agree with you,and if you had half a brain,you'd be dangerous.

Well,we have all seen what you have--oh wait,no we havnt  ::)
The only reason we wont see anything from you,is because you know i could explain it away in a heartbeat,and it will conform to known science. That would mean you have nothing special to show-as you claim to have-->and that would not be good for you ;)

Seen your work--dont need to be qualified to explain it.
The problem you have,is you do not understand your own work--that has always been your downfall.

 
What i see is a case of-->if you cant dazzle them with brilliance,then baffle them with bullshit. ;)

Your video showed what? .
You have no original idea's,as all that you do has been done before--and there is nothing special or magical about it. It is only your lack of understanding that make's it special to you.

And yet it is you that now has Hoptoad wasting his time on something that will achieve nothing--unless he wants a big bathroom heater.


Brad




Hahahaha - Classically Funny and so true!!!

Beautiful!!!

Avenged!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on August 11, 2016, 03:24:08 AM
Just one comment
to my knowledge Milehigh is not banned , apparently Terms of use rules are being enforced ,and selective Moderation applied.
I know this moderation is annoying to Stefan as well as frustrating to members.

it would be better to stay within the agreed boundaries of the Forum rules.

respectfully

Chet
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 03:52:48 AM
Just one comment
to my knowledge Milehigh is not banned , apparently Terms of use rules are being enforced ,and selective Moderation applied.
I know this moderation is annoying to Stefan as well as frustrating to members.

it would be better to stay within the agreed boundaries of the Forum rules.

respectfully

Chet




Thanks Chet, for correcting me!

I am sorry, I did read somewhere that was the case, without having verified it. Apologies!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 06:17:57 AM

Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.

This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.

This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.




AC, this is a very clever post.

Any and every Induced EMF, no matter how many times an Induced EMF occurs, in a single System, has an Effect of the Source, does it not?

But, if the Source is no longer a part of the System, switched out, then the Source is no longer affected, as you say.

How long can a Magnetic Field be kept High after Switch out of the Source?

In a super conductor, indefinitely, for ever in our terms, no Source, but Magnetic Field stays High... Electron’s keep going and going and going…

So the Source can change. Not necessarily the Polarity, depending on point of View, but the Location in the system can very easily be changed. This can be done many ways. A common way is to short one coil… This I know you are very well aware of.

One point of view does not make for any proof, how you term:


He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.



A Postulate, everyone agrees, with no proof…  Although most experiments might hold, who’s to say one wont. After all, Charges are already in constant motion, all having their own Centrifugal forces… Thus making it true that a simple Magnet, will Violate Earnshaw's theorem before this experiment was even proposed - Surely we agree on this point?

There in lays the very basis of how we currently understand the Magnetic Field.

I was surprised to read this post.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org







To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:

   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.
   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.
   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.

So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!

Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!

If this Source is equal in Magnitude in comparison to the originating Source, then there will be a net zero effect, or no Tertiary EMF can be "Generated". Thus timing of the Coil Interactions is critical. Capacitance can be employed to do this, or switching if you have the means. Coils can be arranged to also offset this timing.

I hope those that do not already know this will see the importance here!!!

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       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 11, 2016, 06:36:30 AM
@tinman
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Yes i do AC,and it is obvious that you must have mapped the field incorrectly.[/size]I am also sure you have seen my test that i carried out,and you will also find that people of the likes of Poynt agree with me-perhaps he has time to answer this question as well.Like i said,the center of either an electromagnet or PM being of the weakest field,fools many people,as it is actually the strongest part of the field.


Touché, I would be interested to hear how you conducted your test and it is important that the instrument used not be subject to magnetic induction. That is no iron and no magnetic materials which produce a secondary field influencing the results. This is why I use hall effect sensors exclusively which are mostly benign so far as any real influence on the field to be measured is concerned.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 11, 2016, 07:43:34 AM
@EmJunkie
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To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:[/size]   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.


So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!


Yes, a magnetic field change will produce Electro-Magnetic Induction and as Faraday said it does not matter how the change occurs only that it does. Which raises the question... how many ways could the magnetic field change occur and how many other ways are unknown to us?. In this respect we are only limited by our imagination and how we would conceive to invoke such a change.


For instance a solar flare occurs at the Sun and some ninety eight hours later we detect a magnetic field disturbance here on Earth... how does Lenz Law apply?. Obviously it's not like a magnet on a rotor inducing a current in a conductor which produces a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field of the rotor. The disturbance travels through space ninety eight hours before it produces an effect here on Earth thus Lenz Law has limitations with respect to time and distance. It takes time for a cause to produce an effect and within this time frame we have options.


It is in these kinds of thought experiments that Lenz Law fails to hold relevance and as I said we are only limited by our imagination as to how we choose to solve these technical problems.


AC



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 07:51:59 AM
@EmJunkie

Yes, a magnetic field change will produce Electro-Magnetic Induction and as Faraday said it does not matter how the change occurs only that it does. Which raises the question... how many ways could the magnetic field change occur and how many other ways are unknown to us?. In this respect we are only limited by our imagination and how we would conceive to invoke such a change.


For instance a solar flare occurs at the Sun and some ninety eight hours later we detect a magnetic field disturbance here on Earth... how does Lenz Law apply?. Obviously it's not like a magnet on a rotor inducing a current in a conductor which produces a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field of the rotor. The disturbance travels through space ninety eight hours before it produces an effect here on Earth thus Lenz Law has limitations with respect to time and distance. It takes time for a cause to produce an effect and within this time frame we have options.


It is in these kinds of thought experiments that Lenz Law fails to hold relevance and as I said we are only limited by our imagination as to how we choose to solve these technical problems.


AC



Active Imagination and Clever minds are the most powerfull thing we could ever study!!! It is amazing, not sure if you have read it, but for your perusal: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (http://overunity.com/16724/graham-gundersons-energy-conference-presentation-most-impressive-and-mysterious/msg488484/#msg488484)



In 1859, the Earth suffered a rather frightning event.

The Carrington event of 1859 - the largest solar flare ever recorded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNf8xK67JA)

The Sun, 149.6 million km's away from the Earth, had a coronal mass ejection (CME), this hit the Earth after 18 Hours.

When hitting the Earth, it sent the Telegraph Systems into complete dissaray. Setting fire to parts of it and destroying a great portion of it.

Do you think after 18 more hours the effects Lenz's Law reached the Sun?

Daniels Coils are very likely arranged to do something similar... Induction, via a small scale pulse in comparision, from the Motor and or the switch on event, the arrangement vs the frequency, probably could be calculated: 3×108 m/s divided by X Hz = X metres

0.02M between the two standalone Coils indicate a Frequency of about: 15000MHz or 15GHz

Not that I wish to attempt a replication, I leave that for others, but this is an example of how I try to use Diakoptics to see how something may work.


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Exactly correct, I agree! Time and Space are related as anything that traverses space must take Time. The well known equation: Velocity = Time x Distance comes to mind! You know, months ago we here at this forum were not eveen discussing such topics, now we are not only discussing, we actually understand them!!!

In saying this, there is a difference between Near Field's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_field_communication) and Far Fields (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field). I know you already know this stuff.

This is such a step forward, its perhaps the most thrilling step forward I have ever experienced! Not because I know whats possible, because I can see what our wonderful future may hold!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Johan_1955 on August 11, 2016, 11:05:07 AM
Twelve coils in series , the field has to propagate in those windings, Shut the first one off before it gets to number twelve, Or better yet, shut it off and fire it before the propagation hits twelve.

Dear Shylo,

Thanks, best post in ages, Serie-Coil(Cavity)-Resonance.

Did mention the same before in other threads, JT-101, ............. !?

They don't read, the BATTLE seems to be more important, so adult ..... ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCduKbDuzmY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCduKbDuzmY)

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2016, 11:52:51 AM
@tinman

Touché, I would be interested to hear how you conducted your test and it is important that the instrument used not be subject to magnetic induction. That is no iron and no magnetic materials which produce a secondary field influencing the results. This is why I use hall effect sensors exclusively which are mostly benign so far as any real influence on the field to be measured is concerned.


AC

First up,what type of hall effect sensor did you use?

First simple test,one which im sure you have tried.
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

Second test is with an electromagnet.
We take a long solenoid/coil-say 1 inch in diameter,and 4 inches long,and we use this as our primary. We then have a flat pancake type coil,that is say 1/4 inch thick,with ID just enough to slide over the primary coil,and an OD of say 2 1/2 inches. We now pulse a DC current,or apply an AC current to the primary. You will find that the secondary will produce the most power when placed in the center of the primary-not at either end where you think the magnetic field is strongest.
Once again,the magnetic(and electric field in this case),is strongest at the center of the electromagnet--not at the ends.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on August 11, 2016, 04:34:35 PM



 I would say that the strongest magnetic field would be at the poles.
 Once you try to part two magnets you've essentially got two
 individual magnets and hence the attraction will be greatest.
 The electric field,however,is quite different.
           John.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 11, 2016, 05:02:19 PM
@tinman
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First up,what type of hall effect sensor did you use?

I use various analog hall effect sensor tied to this, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/11225. The NI Labview setup allows me collect real sensor data, calibrate the sensors, apply any math functions I want and display the hard data in real time in multiple graphical formats. The NI labview site is here--http://www.ni.com/labview/why/. Note this is not a simulation nor is it speculation, this is scientific software used by real scientists for scientific research. Trust me... it will be the best $50 you ever spent on research and real data in indispensable. I will post a picture of my setup when I get home from work tonight.


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First simple test,one which im sure you have tried.
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

Fair enough, on your magnet the highest external field strength is not at the center between the N-S transition, it is not at the N or S pole face as one might expect but at the pole face corner where the face transitions to the side of the magnet. How do I know this?, because I mapped the field strength on every part of the magnet with a scientific instrument in real time.

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Second test is with an electromagnet.
We take a long solenoid/coil-say 1 inch in diameter,and 4 inches long,and we use this as our primary. We then have a flat pancake type coil,that is say 1/4 inch thick,with ID just enough to slide over the primary coil,and an OD of say 2 1/2 inches. We now pulse a DC current,or apply an AC current to the primary. You will find that the secondary will produce the most power when placed in the center of the primary-not at either end where you think the magnetic field is strongest.
Once again,the magnetic(and electric field in this case),is strongest at the center of the electromagnet--not at the ends.

I would ask, what are you really measuring?. You are measuring the output voltage produced by the coil which is the result of mutual induction between the two coils and two distinct fields. Thus you are not actually measuring field strength at any given point per say but the efficiency of the mutual induction between the coils and core. You see this is why we must be very careful when considering what we are actually measuring in reality and what we think may be happening. As I said, you cannot accurately measure anything when the instrument used physically effects the measure.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: darediamond on August 11, 2016, 06:27:07 PM
You still need many rice to eat. boy!    ;D

Oh mine,.you are specially funny.

I can't stop laughing....
Gadem.."you still need many rice to eat boy" lol
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 11, 2016, 07:02:13 PM
@tinman
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Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.

Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.

So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 11, 2016, 11:22:01 PM
@tinman
I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.

Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.

So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

AC



If I may interject with an opinion, or a different perspective?

The Mono Pole has never been found, well it actually has, but it’s not been standardised. Science has not found Monopoles in Nature and its not currently a part of accepted Science: elusive 'magnetic monopoles' found (http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html)

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In 1931, Paul Dirac, one of the rock stars of the physics world, made the somewhat startling prediction that "magnetic monopoles," or particles possessing only a single pole—either north or south—should exist. His conclusion stemmed from examining a famous set of equations that explains the relationship between electricity and magnetism. Maxwell's equations apply to long-known electric monopole particles, such as negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons; but despite Dirac's prediction, no one has found magnetic monopole particles.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp

A observational view point is most definitely distorted by the position of observation, today we know this and it is known that just observing some phenomena can distort the result.

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The team created their monopoles in a compound made of oxygen, titanium and dysprosium that, when cooled to nearly absolute zero, forms what scientists call "spin ice." The material freezes into four-sided crystals (a pyramid with a triangular base) and the magnetic orientation, or "spin," of the ions at each of the four tips align so that their spins are balanced—two spins point inward and two outward. But using neutron beams at the NCNR, the team found they could knock one of the spins askew so that instead three point in, one out … "creating a monopole, or at least its mathematical equivalent,"

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp

So, from an observational view point, a deformation of Spin, can appear to create a Monopole. To me, this implies standard Magnetic Formations are a precursor, or a better term a requirement for the formation of a Monopole.

Just as every Planet we have observed is Spherical, nature has a particular, or a specific set of base level formations on any and all objects.

A Structure of Spin does have the same base level formation defined by Nature, but this is different depending on observation view point.  The below image can be very different if one were to observe from Inside, in the middle, of the formation…

Of course, the "relationship between electricity and magnetism" does require a deformation of Magnetic Fields, a High Stress Area is required, where the Magnetic Poles Oppose each other and the structure does have a particular pole of the same kind on each end of the structure.


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 12, 2016, 12:25:37 AM


 I would say that the strongest magnetic field would be at the poles.
 Once you try to part two magnets you've essentially got two
 individual magnets and hence the attraction will be greatest.
 The electric field,however,is quite different.
           John.

But you dont have two individual magnets until they are parted. While you are trying to part them,they are still one magnet.

A lot of people confuse field concentration (the poles) with total field value.
The greatest total field value is at the center of the magnet-not at the poles.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 12, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
@tinman


Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.



So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

AC

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I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Of course they became one-as far as the magnetic field is concerned. You only have to map that field with your hall sensor,and you will see that the field will be exactly the same as that of one complete magnet the same size.

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Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.


There is no north or south,these are terms used only to describe field flow direction.
If you look at any drawing of a magnetic field of a PM(or electromagnet),you will see that we depict a flow out from one end,and back into the other,and the only point along that magnet that has a unidirectional flow of this field,is at the mid point.

Your hall probe is measuring field density at one point of the field,and yes,this is at the !poles! of the magnet. But the greatest total field-and there for ,greatest total field strength,is at the center of the magnet.

As we use PMs in devices,where that PM field influences other parts of the device(E.G-induces an EMF in a coil,where that magnetic field is changing in time relative to the coil),then your statement about external influences upon the field is mute--as we never use a PM in a device where it dose not,or is not influenced by another part of the device. So what is the point in measuring the magnetic field the way you have?,when it needs to be measured in the conditions it will be in when being part of the operation of the device.

Lets look at the picture below-->what color line has the highest total magnetic flux flowing through it in one direction ?
What part of the field would cause the greatest induction to occur in a secondary coil?.

I think you have fallen for the old !nothing sticks to the magnet at the center,and so there must be no field! trick. You have also mistakenly measured the greatest flux density area with your hall probe-not greatest total field strength.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 01:01:34 AM
But you dont have two individual magnets until they are parted. While you are trying to part them,they are still one magnet.

A lot of people confuse field concentration (the poles) with total field value.
The greatest total field value is at the center of the magnet-not at the poles.


Brad


Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.


Ron



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 12, 2016, 01:07:57 AM

Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.


Ron

Indeed Ron
Good job.

I would love to see your zero force motor up and running when it's completed.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 01:24:04 AM

Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.


Ron


Nice Work Ron!!!

If you have more than one kind of Hall Probe, I recommend running the same test again with that. I have done this test and got different results with different probes. This was back on the "Magnet Myths and Misconceptions (http://overunity.com/14974/magnet-myths-and-misconceptions/msg430877/#msg430877)" thread some time back.

Please excuse my behaviour, there was a bit of a harassment going on in those days between parties.

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P.S: Some very awesome work from AllCanadian sparked those experiments off: Magnet Myths and Misconceptions - Post: 635 (http://overunity.com/14974/magnet-myths-and-misconceptions/msg431695/#msg431695)


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 03:00:44 AM

Nice Work Ron!!!

If you have more than one kind of Hall Probe, I recommend running the same test again with that. I have done this test and got different results with different probes. This was back on the "Magnet Myths and Misconceptions (http://overunity.com/14974/magnet-myths-and-misconceptions/msg430877/#msg430877)" thread some time back.

Please excuse my behaviour, there was a bit of a harassment going on in those days between parties.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org




Thanks Chris,


Were you reading the forum back on page 7? Because to days test is more or less confirmation of my video:


https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM (https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM)


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 03:11:23 AM



Thanks Chris,


Were you reading the forum back on page 7? Because to days test is more or less confirmation of my video:


https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM (https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM)


Ron



I did see that, yes! I thought I had responded?

Sorry, looks like I may have lost a post somewhere...

Nice Work, it is simple experiments like this, that we can learn the most from!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 03:12:16 AM
Indeed Ron
Good job.

I would love to see your zero force motor up and running when it's completed.

Brad


Thanks Brad, I hesitate to predict when that might take place as Murphy likes me and hangs around here a lot. For example I was busy machining the rotor yesterday when the hot water tank sprung a leak, so I switched hats and got the vacuum cleaner out to suck up the lake and the switch chose that moment to go west... anyway, all the little chores done now and so back to the project in the morning.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 03:19:25 AM


I did see that, yes! I thought I had responded?

Sorry, looks like I may have lost a post somewhere...

Nice Work, it is simple experiments like this, that we can learn the most from!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


 now that you mention it , yes you did, I was having a seniors moment... I will be 81 end of this month, so I can get away with a lot, LOL


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on August 12, 2016, 03:31:28 AM

Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.


Ron

Now test top to bottom with the hall arrow pointing to the right. As in the hall face outward from the coil/magnet.

It is not that all of the N face flux goes all the way to the S face. Some reenters the sides. You can see this with the hall. Once you get the grip with XYZ of the hall orientation you will be able to map out the fields of the coil/mag.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 04:17:37 AM

 now that you mention it , yes you did, I was having a seniors moment... I will be 81 end of this month, so I can get away with a lot, LOL


Ron


Totally understand Ron, no problem! Me too some days!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 05:39:26 AM
Now test top to bottom with the hall arrow pointing to the right. As in the hall face outward from the coil/magnet.

It is not that all of the N face flux goes all the way to the S face. Some reenters the sides. You can see this with the hall. Once you get the grip with XYZ of the hall orientation you will be able to map out the fields of the coil/mag.

Mags


Quite true Mags, there is a definite north and south demarcation when oriented so.


However, as the question pertains to the zero force motor, the right question to ask is what is the orientation of the force that drives the external magnet. In this case the motion would be radially into and out from the coil so is it not safe to stick with the longer looping flux lines?
They seem to be the ones doing the work.


You can see these short lines in the jpg but I think it is the longer loops that we need to watch


Thanks, Ron


 


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 12, 2016, 07:06:08 AM
@tinman
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Lets look at the picture below-->what color line has the highest total magnetic flux flowing through it in one direction ?


Okay I see where your going, however the textbook picture you posted below is inaccurate and the actual total field at the center (blue line) can extend many feet to the side as can the total field past the poles (red line).


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What part of the field would cause the greatest induction to occur in a secondary coil?.


The poles I think because while there may be slightly less lines (less flux) the line density is greater (greater field density). In reality a coil will never be induced by all the flux lines at the center red line unless your coil is two feet in diameter which is impractical. On the other hand a small coil covering the whole pole face/end will be induced by nearly all the flux having a very much greater flux density.


You did try covering the whole pole face/end of the core/coil with a secondary coil of identical wire length to your center coil to determine the difference in inductive properties didn't you?. The problem we know all too well is that most of the time our best laid plans are foiled by reality. We see a picture in a textbook or run a simulation and say hey this looks easy. Then we hit the bench and all hell breaks loose and nothing is as it seemed, that's reality and it's a bitch.


Meanwhile I noticed an anomaly in the hall sensor scans I did a year or so ago which EMJ referred to that may prove interesting...back to the bench.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 09:07:20 AM
@tinman

Okay I see where your going, however the textbook picture you posted below is inaccurate and the actual total field at the center (blue line) can extend many feet to the side as can the total field past the poles (red line).



The poles I think because while there may be slightly less lines (less flux) the line density is greater (greater field density). In reality a coil will never be induced by all the flux lines at the center red line unless your coil is two feet in diameter which is impractical. On the other hand a small coil covering the whole pole face/end will be induced by nearly all the flux having a very much greater flux density.


You did try covering the whole pole face/end of the core/coil with a secondary coil of identical wire length to your center coil to determine the difference in inductive properties didn't you?. The problem we know all too well is that most of the time our best laid plans are foiled by reality. We see a picture in a textbook or run a simulation and say hey this looks easy. Then we hit the bench and all hell breaks loose and nothing is as it seemed, that's reality and it's a bitch.


Meanwhile I noticed an anomaly in the hall sensor scans I did a year or so ago which EMJ referred to that may prove interesting...back to the bench.


AC



@Ron, it may be worth reading the posts referred to? It was a lengthy investigation!


@AC and Tinman:

We were right, we still are, we found some interesting data, data that gave us some insight!!!

We were right, the Iron Filing experiment is inherently flawed, we pointed this out many times, none listened!!!

@AC - I too have found that some Hall Probes are problematic, I asked Ron to try a few different types for this reason. I don’t want to speculate too much, but suspect that some probes detect the Electric Field Intensity as the Magnetic Field and as a result gives an Incorrect Magnetic Field Reading. I am not totally sure on this however...

   Chris Sykes
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P.S: Iron Filings make lots of patterns, each being its own tiny Magnet in its own right:
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 11:39:04 AM



To prove the point, of Field Lines, I should have gone and spent $20 on some Ferro Fluid.

Examining why this is as it is, the following Image, should really start those interested asking some hard serious questions: Credit: Ferrofluid Piston  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21WzdjqAG0s) This s a very cool experiment also!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 12, 2016, 02:56:10 PM
@EMJ
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@AC - I too have found that some Hall Probes are problematic, I asked Ron to try a few different types for this reason. I don’t want to speculate too much, but suspect that some probes detect the Electric Field Intensity as the Magnetic Field and as a result gives an Incorrect Magnetic Field Reading. I am not totally sure on this however...


Here's the trick, the hall effect sensor only measures the flux through the sensor face which means it is a directional sensor. In my Labview setup with an oscilloscope graph and bar graph I can easily see large swings at any given point simply by rotating the sensor on it's axis. This tells me the exact direction of the flux at any given point and the max value correlates to the max field density and direction. In effect simply moving the sensor face straight through any region will always give inaccurate readings because the flux/sensor face angle changes.

In effect when I_ron was taking his gauss meter readings and the measure approached zero near the pole this was not because the field strength was decreasing to zero. It was because the direction of the flux was now near 90 degrees to the sensor face and the sensor could not detect it. As I said we must be very careful concerning what we think we are measuring and how we are taking the measurement. If the flux direction is 45 degrees off from the sensor face then we see about one half the real field density measurement and when the flux direction is 90 degrees off from the sensor face we see zero of the real field density measurement. For the record, last year I was making the same mistake as I_ron and my graphs should have been corrected to compensate for the sensor face/flux direction deviations.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 04:59:29 PM


In effect when I_ron was taking his gauss meter readings and the measure approached zero near the pole this was not because the field strength was decreasing to zero. It was because the direction of the flux was now near 90 degrees to the sensor face and the sensor could not detect it. As I said we must be very careful concerning what we think we are measuring and how we are taking the measurement. If the flux direction is 45 degrees off from the sensor face then we see about one half the real field density measurement and when the flux direction is 90 degrees off from the sensor face we see zero of the real field density measurement. For the record I was making the same mistakes as I_ron and my graphs should have been corrected to compensate for the sensor face/flux direction deviations.

AC


AC, you are quite correct... but this is rather obvious and not something I was attempting to ignore or circumvent.


To try and keep this discussion relevant let me again state, that as tinman built JB's Zero Force motor and I am currently in the process of building one the focus was on the directionality of the flux lines that propel the external magnet along its path.


Now JB claims to switch "at the block wall", Whereas tinman and myself are suggesting that this is not relevant. What I was attempting to show in my video was that there are two lock up points at each end of a solenoid coil and that in between  there is a rather continuous motive force independent of any block wall... and that the strongest field is in the middle.


My understanding at the moment is that these flux lines are a flow. That any static depiction is inherently misleading because the inclusion of an external magnet and the "flow" automatically adjusts to conform to this intrusion.


That said I am learning, thanks for all your inputs, they are appreciated.


Ron 



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 12, 2016, 07:20:32 PM
@I_ron
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To try and keep this discussion relevant let me again state, that as tinman built JB's Zero Force motor and I am currently in the process of building one the focus was on the directionality of the flux lines that propel the external magnet along its path.

Now JB claims to switch "at the block wall", Whereas tinman and myself are suggesting that this is not relevant. What I was attempting to show in my video was that there are two lock up points at each end of a solenoid coil and that in between  there is a rather continuous motive force independent of any block wall... and that the strongest field is in the middle.

My understanding at the moment is that these flux lines are a flow. That any static depiction is inherently misleading because the inclusion of an external magnet and the "flow" automatically adjusts to conform to this intrusion.

I'm not sure if you know this but I built and tested the motor you are trying to build as well as a generator based on the same principals around 5 years ago. I built and tested many variations of both and posted some of the designs in this forum. I built one similar motor in which the driving coil could not be induced by the rotor magnet in any way which was kind of neat.

Here is what I found concerning the motor your trying to build, first there is no flow and there are no flux lines and there are no North/South poles as these are simply notations. The field has direction we call polarity and it has field density we call strength or magnitude. In your video you simply demonstrated the fact that opposite poles attract and like poles repel. What makes this setup different however is the fact that the rotor magnet is simultaneously in attraction and repulsion with only one stator coil but utilizing the field from both ends of the coil in the same instance.

Now why do you suppose the strongest force is in the middle?, because the magnet is interacting with both poles of the coil simultaneously not only one. Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core. When the coil is on the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the nearest unlike pole and is repelled from the nearest like pole. You can prevent the lock up at the coil poles by momentarily switching off the current at the poles and you may also reverse the coil current after the magnet has left the coil poles to increase the force on the rotor. Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.

What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.

AC


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 08:55:24 PM
@I_ron
I'm not sure if you know this but I built and tested the motor you are trying to build as well as a generator based on the same principals around 5 years ago. I built and tested many variations of both and posted some of the designs in this forum. I built one similar motor in which the driving coil could not be induced by the rotor magnet in any way which was kind of neat.

Here is what I found concerning the motor your trying to build, first there is no flow and there are no flux lines and there are no North/South poles as these are simply notations. The field has direction we call polarity and it has field density we call strength or magnitude. In your video you simply demonstrated the fact that opposite poles attract and like poles repel. What makes this setup different however is the fact that the rotor magnet is simultaneously in attraction and repulsion with only one stator coil but utilizing the field from both ends of the coil in the same instance.

Now why do you suppose the strongest force is in the middle?, because the magnet is interacting with both poles of the coil simultaneously not only one. Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core. When the coil is on the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the nearest unlike pole and is repelled from the nearest like pole. You can prevent the lock up at the coil poles by momentarily switching off the current at the poles and you may also reverse the coil current after the magnet has left the coil poles to increase the force on the rotor. Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.

What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.

AC


OK, that is the best description I have heard so far. I can agree with that.


I was not aware that you had built these motors so this is the information I sought,


Thanks


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 12, 2016, 09:49:14 PM
@I_ron

What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.

AC


Then to if you were more familiar with my work....


That was a quick and nasty red neck switch used to make a point.


Below is a better example of my switching on Phil Wood's 16/24 somaloy cored Motor. It is an hall effect switched, to 7555 one shots and CD4011 lock out logic to a MC33883 H bridge pre driver. 20 pin soic's are just a bit beyond my board making skills so I have taken to using break out boards... and this helps in trouble shooting also as they are pluggable.


However for the Zero Force what I had in mind was opto's to a  gate driver and mosfet... on a bread board, nothing to out of the ordinary


Ron


 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 10:20:34 PM
@EMJ

Here's the trick, the hall effect sensor only measures the flux through the sensor face which means it is a directional sensor. In my Labview setup with an oscilloscope graph and bar graph I can easily see large swings at any given point simply by rotating the sensor on it's axis. This tells me the exact direction of the flux at any given point and the max value correlates to the max field density and direction. In effect simply moving the sensor face straight through any region will always give inaccurate readings because the flux/sensor face angle changes.

In effect when I_ron was taking his gauss meter readings and the measure approached zero near the pole this was not because the field strength was decreasing to zero. It was because the direction of the flux was now near 90 degrees to the sensor face and the sensor could not detect it. As I said we must be very careful concerning what we think we are measuring and how we are taking the measurement. If the flux direction is 45 degrees off from the sensor face then we see about one half the real field density measurement and when the flux direction is 90 degrees off from the sensor face we see zero of the real field density measurement. For the record, last year I was making the same mistake as I_ron and my graphs should have been corrected to compensate for the sensor face/flux direction deviations.

AC



Hi AC,

Of course I completely agree, orientation to Field Line Vector is important.

We see readings, from our experiments that are not holding with the Field Line experiments that we have done. Iron Filing Experiment is the worst for our Result, showing we should see a fairly linear reading throughout most of the length of the Magnet. This we’re not seeing.

Generally by following the Flux Line, we should see a value that is the inverse square of the distance from the strongest point. Which should be the pole.

As the probe measures both polarities, and North and a South, this could explain the inverse readings, as the probe reaches the Mid-Point, there is equal field strengths and the probe sees a maximum force each side of the Sensor at this point.

The will actually give us a false reading. I am hesitant to say we are reading the same thing twice, as realistically, we are not, or are we...

The Magnet still holds some Mysteries!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on August 12, 2016, 10:28:47 PM
....
 Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core.
...
 Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.
....

Hi AC,

Would like to tell you that in Bedini's zero force motor setup there is no ferromagnetic core in the coils, they are air cored or rather 'some kind of plastic bobbin' cored to form the two half toroidal coil shapes. This turned out from some of the short descriptions JB gave on his setup on another forum.
I believe that your understanding on the poles in this setup is correct.  By the way, as per JB the rotor magnets ride on the A-field of the (toroidal) stator coils.

Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 12, 2016, 10:55:12 PM

Then to if you were more familiar with my work....


That was a quick and nasty red neck switch used to make a point.


Below is a better example of my switching on Phil Wood's 16/24 somaloy cored Motor. It is an hall effect switched, to 7555 one shots and CD4011 lock out logic to a MC33883 H bridge pre driver. 20 pin soic's are just a bit beyond my board making skills so I have taken to using break out boards... and this helps in trouble shooting also as they are pluggable.


However for the Zero Force what I had in mind was opto's to a  gate driver and mosfet... on a bread board, nothing to out of the ordinary


Ron




Nice Build Ron!!!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 12, 2016, 11:50:56 PM
@I_ron
Quote
Below is a better example of my switching on Phil Wood's 16/24 somaloy cored Motor. It is an hall effect switched, to 7555 one shots and CD4011 lock out logic to a MC33883 H bridge pre driver. 20 pin soic's are just a bit beyond my board making skills so I have taken to using break out boards... and this helps in trouble shooting also as they are pluggable.

Hall effect/one shot's are the way to go in my opinion and I have used hall effect switches which have pretty decent rise/fall times on their own. Lately I found it easier to just use a cheap micro-controller such as the Arduino Pro mini 328 to build custom waveforms and control switching on the software end. Getting too old for that bread boarding stuff which takes way to long and it is too hard to modify the parameters.

Quote
However for the Zero Force what I had in mind was opto's to a gate driver and mosfet... on a bread board, nothing to out of the ordinary

That sounds like a good plan and an easy way to set duration is to use two sensor/switches. Generally we have issues with rise/fall times relating to the semiconductors used however if one switch is used to turn on the coil and another separate switch is used to turn it off then the switch separation determines the duration. Here is the trick... if the second switch is on the other side of the rotor then the on/off switching can occur within nearly the same time frame giving switching durations we cannot achieve any other way. You see it takes the semiconductor lag times out of the equation because they can be compensated for by the physical switch overlap and the fact there are now two switches in the circuit. Theoretically the off switch could even be activated before the on switch if the semiconductor lag is slightly greater on the off switching and the difference in lag is now the actual switching duration, lol. Seemingly impossible problems require creative solutions.

I learned many neat tricks testing different motor/generator geometries, invented a lot of stuff to solve whatever problems happened to pop up along the way and had a lot of fun doing it.

AC

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 13, 2016, 12:17:46 AM
@I_ron
I'm not sure if you know this but I built and tested the motor you are trying to build as well as a generator based on the same principals around 5 years ago. I built and tested many variations of both and posted some of the designs in this forum. I built one similar motor in which the driving coil could not be induced by the rotor magnet in any way which was kind of neat.

Here is what I found concerning the motor your trying to build, first there is no flow and there are no flux lines and there are no North/South poles as these are simply notations. The field has direction we call polarity and it has field density we call strength or magnitude. In your video you simply demonstrated the fact that opposite poles attract and like poles repel. What makes this setup different however is the fact that the rotor magnet is simultaneously in attraction and repulsion with only one stator coil but utilizing the field from both ends of the coil in the same instance.



What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.

AC

Quote
Now why do you suppose the strongest force is in the middle?, because the magnet is interacting with both poles of the coil simultaneously not only one. Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core. When the coil is on the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the nearest unlike pole and is repelled from the nearest like pole. You can prevent the lock up at the coil poles by momentarily switching off the current at the poles and you may also reverse the coil current after the magnet has left the coil poles to increase the force on the rotor. Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.

If that was the case,then the magnet should see the same force anywhere along that coil,because even though it may be further away from one pole,it will be closer to the other,and so if you want to use your inverse square law,then the force applied to the magnet should be equal anywhere along that coils length--but it is no. The greatest force against that magnet will be at the center of the coil,not at either end.
Inverse square law-->The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law.

Below is a quick sketch of field strength of a coil when a current is applied.
With the zero force motor(as is with any other PM DC motor) you would want to switch the coil on when the magnet on the rotor is a point 3,and switch of when the magnet is at point 5.
If a thin pancake type coil was made(the secondary)to slide over the primary(coil depicted),then the greatest output from the secondary-when the primary was pulsed with a DC current,or an AC current is applied to the primary,will be when the secondary is at point 4.

The mid point of a PM or an electromagnet is not a bloch wall,nor is it void of a magnetic field.
It is in fact the point where the magnetic field is greatest.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 13, 2016, 01:39:43 AM
@tinman
Quote
If that was the case,then the magnet should see the same force anywhere along that coil,because even though it may be further away from one pole,it will be closer to the other,and so if you want to use your inverse square law,then the force applied to the magnet should be equal anywhere along that coils length--but it is no. The greatest force against that magnet will be at the center of the coil,not at either end.


I know what your saying however the devil is always in the details. A magnet is not a coil, a straight coil as you have depicted is not a semi-circular coil following the circumference of the rotor... all act very different under different circumstances. In your picture of a straight coil with a circular rotor then yes I agree with you. If it were a straight coil on a core then yes I agree, if it was a semi-circular coil then probably no and a semi-circular coil on a core then probably no.


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[size=0px]Inverse square law-->[/size][size=0px]The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law.[/size]


Realistically this is just a fancy way of saying the change in field strength falls off faster than the change in distance that's all.


Quote
Below is a quick sketch of field strength of a coil when a current is applied.
With the zero force motor(as is with any other PM DC motor) you would want to switch the coil on when the magnet on the rotor is a point 3,and switch of when the magnet is at point 5.


I would agree with that based on the picture you posted with reservations. If the field density of the coil is low then we may have flux leakage through the coil turns and the magnet will not couple to the field of the whole coil due to the inverse square law. I believe this may be how we differ in opinion as you seem to see everything as black and white where I see nothing but shades of grey. If the rotor magnet is a weak ceramic then the coil field may dominate the equation and if the rotor magnet is the best neo magnet money can buy then it may dominate again depending on the coil field density and other variables. In effect your making generalizations I cannot decipher... I need specifics, I'm not the amazing kreskin.


Quote
The mid point of a PM or an electromagnet is not a bloch wall,nor is it void of a magnetic field.
It is in fact the point where the magnetic field is greatest.


That is your opinion, I'm working to prove you and others wrong. I have in fact proven the neutral point with respect to the electric field therefore I see no reason I cannot prove it with magnetic and gravic fields. Don't get me wrong, you make valid points I just don't believe them based on the lack of details and what I have seen for myself.


AC


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 13, 2016, 01:41:55 AM
If that was the case,then the magnet should see the same force anywhere along that coil,because even though it may be further away from one pole,it will be closer to the other,and so if you want to use your inverse square law,then the force applied to the magnet should be equal anywhere along that coils length--but it is no. The greatest force against that magnet will be at the center of the coil,not at either end.
Inverse square law-->The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law.

Below is a quick sketch of field strength of a coil when a current is applied.
With the zero force motor(as is with any other PM DC motor) you would want to switch the coil on when the magnet on the rotor is a point 3,and switch of when the magnet is at point 5.
If a thin pancake type coil was made(the secondary)to slide over the primary(coil depicted),then the greatest output from the secondary-when the primary was pulsed with a DC current,or an AC current is applied to the primary,will be when the secondary is at point 4.

The mid point of a PM or an electromagnet is not a bloch wall,nor is it void of a magnetic field.
It is in fact the point where the magnetic field is greatest.


Brad



I agree the "Force" at the central point of the Magnet, Permanent or Electromagnet, is the greatest force in the System.

I am not sure I would call this "Force", the Magnetic Field however. We can see the Magnetic Field lines from the pole, are definitely an Inverse Square (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law) phenomena, the Conical structure shows us this, see Image Below:

What does this mean, a few points of view can be taken here.

Well, a Fire Hose, full flow, the water force is very much greater in Strength and Velocity at the Nozzle, than 40 feet away where it hits its target!!! This is the Inverse Square Law. For example, if we increase pressure at the Nozzle, we increase the Distance that the Water can Travel over the course of Time!

The Thrust Equation (https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/thrsteq.html) is an example of this:

F = (m dot * V)e - (m dot * V)0 + (pe - p0) * Ae

or to simplify:

Force = mass * acceleration

The Force F is only defined at the Point of the Nozzle though! So the Inverse Square Law gives us the Force F at a distance:

B = μ0 /2 π I/r

But the Strength is H, not B of the Magnetic Field! Well H is simply:

H = B/μ0

This gives us the Conical Structure we see in the Ferro Fluid, the Greater the Magnetic Field Strength (H) the bigger the Spikes we get!!!

So, the Force F we see at the Center of the Permanent or Electromagnet, is not the Magnetic Field, as the Ferrofluid Image above shows. This Force, it not showing Magnetic Field Line properties, it is a part of the Magnet to be explored further, and our very own Earth may give us some Ideas:

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P.S: Ferro Fluid is a Mass and thus will not show the true line of force due to Gravity, the weight on the Fluid will reduce the Conical length some. Of course, all this is my opinion from my research.
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 16, 2016, 04:47:17 AM





Well here it is running


https://youtu.be/SGRBk6lWAf4


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on August 16, 2016, 05:19:27 AM



Awesome work Ron!!! Real nice clean build there!!!

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Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: tinman on August 16, 2016, 03:56:25 PM




Well here it is running


https://youtu.be/SGRBk6lWAf4


Ron

Very nice build Ron,and a decent RPM as well.

Why amount of power dose it consume at top speed ?, and are you collecting,or using the inductive kickback ?.


Brad
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 16, 2016, 05:23:57 PM
Very nice build Ron,and a decent RPM as well.

What amount of power does it consume at top speed ?, and are you collecting,or using the inductive kickback ?.


Brad


Thanks Chris, Brad,


haven't done any tests yet but it is running with a diode across the two coils, will play with it to day, all going well


Ron
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 16, 2016, 07:51:00 PM

Thanks Chris, Brad,


haven't done any tests yet but it is running with a diode across the two coils, will play with it to day, all going well


Ron


OK, on me old Micronta 22-214 analog multimeter I get ,somewhere near the start, a reading of 270 mA, dropping to 200 mA after some running time.


1.7 mS pulse looks like this: (there are six per revolution)


It does generate a small voltage incidentally.


Ron


 
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 19, 2016, 05:05:52 PM



Brad,


I am not entirely in agreement with JB's statement in his videos that this, 'Zero Force' is a non-generator.


Naudin showed way back when that this configuration can induce a voltage.


Ron


Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 19, 2016, 11:54:38 PM

Like most Ron, you take what the man says at face value.  snip

Anyway....the attached was produced by one of many machines that I built investigating this subject.

Regards


Interesting post erfinder, I liked that.


Now I must confess that the six pole zero force design was a flop. 


This is the induced voltage, shown below which is a near perfect sine wave of nearly seven volts pk to pk


Ron

Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 19, 2016, 11:59:55 PM

Now I must confess that the six pole zero force design was a flop. 

Ron


So I took all the magnets out but two at 180 and got this...(below)


I have built a new four magnet rotor and while it doesn't have the speed yet (only 1700 RPM) it does have less induced AC voltage, just around the two volt mark, 1 1/2 volts positive and 1/2 volt negative.

Incidentally, these scope shots are done with the motor being brought up to speed and then the power removed, the shots taken on coast down.

Ron



Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: Magluvin on August 20, 2016, 01:32:22 AM


Brad,


I am not entirely in agreement with JB's statement in his videos that this, 'Zero Force' is a non-generator.


Naudin showed way back when that this configuration can induce a voltage.


Ron

It makes sense to me that the output would be as you show in the scope. The one hump camel. ;)   Like if you have a magnet pass a coil with core in the more common manner, as the magnet approaches the core, the field is attracted to it more as it gets close. So the filed cuts the approaching side of the coil first, creating 1 phase of the typical ac sine output. And as the mag approaches tdc most all the field is in the core with less field cutting the windings and the voltage induced become 0v at tdc. Then as the field passes tdc, the field starts cutting the departure side of the core, giving us the other phase of the AC out.

So here we have the magnet only cutting the one side of the coil, thus basically only 1 phase out. But is there drag when the winding is loaded, as in lenz? Im just not so sure the config is lenzless as the coil is being induced by the moving mag, just as if the coil were in the typical on axis with the mag at tdc, the coil will repel an approaching mag, and pull on a departing mag. So each phase has an opposing affect on the moving mag as the coil gets induced.

What may be interesting is to wind just one 1/4(small section, not all the way around) of a toroid and spin a mag past the winding in the same way as you show, but the core a closed one. And if there is no induction to the toroid winding, then try a diametric in the hole of the toroid core. The one difference between having the magnet field cut the windings on the outside dia of the core vs inside is there would be no cog between the mag and the core, as if it is cutting the outside, there would definitely be cog because the mag is approaching and departing, where inside the hole of a round core, if the diametric mag is dead center, there would be no cog as the magnet is always the same distance from the core. So there would be possibly just pure lenz of just the induced winding? ??? ??

Follow me here....   If the field of a winding on a toroid core is only in the core, as they claim, then there will be no lenz effect on the magnet as the coils induced field cannot escape the core. As far as they say......    ;)   Im going to try that this weekend. See what happens.  I have some 3/8 dia 1/2in long diametrics and plenty of cores. For me what may be interesting is if the coil doesnt get induced with an outer dia mag pass, but if it does with the mag in the hole, then possibly this helps prove that a pri windings field does pass through through the hole of the core to cut sec windings on the other side of the core. ??? ;D All of that gave me this idea and it may prove well with what you are doing here.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on August 20, 2016, 05:50:26 AM
Like this below....

Mags
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 20, 2016, 04:57:35 PM

It was a flop according to who?  A flop by what standard?  I too have a six pole machine, and like you indicate, mine also generates a sinewave which is cleaner in appearance than anything I have ever seen built by anyone!  That machine was the last one I built before I switched geometry.  That machine is dragless by the standard which is collectively agreed upon among those who only have eyes for the dragless condition.  If you got the machine wired up right, and the proper relation between the inducing and induced, yours should be dragless as well.  Be wise sir, investigate carefully before you conclude that there is nothing there, you are seconds from throwing away that which none have demonstrated here, save one, (me) I was ignored.


added.....


This design opens the door to what I have referred to in the past as the "rectangular transformation matrix".  That statement motivated the resident plagiarist to rush in and inform me that I was wrong.  That same individual wasn't able to generate the same conditions in his apparatus when asked, and still hasn't to this day.


Regards




Ah, I hadn't followed through with that. What I was implying was a failure by JB's concept of a "successful" replication with "no induced voltage". However you shine a light on a concept I had been disregarding. Thank you.


I had dabbled with the transverse coil induction method before now but had come up against Lenz being fully a participant. The rectangular transformation matrix could do with some further discussion


Ron
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 20, 2016, 06:09:24 PM


 we can speculate off forum.

Regards


thanks, you could check your inbox


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on August 21, 2016, 02:16:12 AM
Ok. Just did a quicky test before I go further. Rotor just spun up by hand.

First pic and scope shot is what I described in my last post. It was a core that was already wound to see possibly anything. And there ya go.

The second set with the core set up like the Orbo cores were in reference to the rotor. Some, but very little output

In the first set I want the winding to be tighter, like I said earlier about 1/4 of the core wound, but the larger core Im going to be using I want possibly 1/16, so when the mag passes, it doesnt brush the winding, as in the max field density only being over one portion of the coil at a time.

And the second set which is orbo positioned naturally doesnt put out much as the closest windings are moving inline with the field, so no cutting. Some though. What we did see in the scope shot are probably outer weak fields inducing from the magnet pass. If you can imagine it, you will see. So tiny output, due to weak fields at greater distance from the affected windings.


So after I wind a new core and test that, then make a setup with the diametric mag shown in the pics below and spin the mag in the core and see what we get without core cogging.  That core will have a bunch of little windings going around, so there is always output. Opposite sides of the core windings can be in series. Working on how many windings I want to do.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on August 21, 2016, 02:25:18 AM
Woops, one more thing...

With the Orbo setup as in the second set of pics above, they had the cores wound all the way from end to end, which may further reduce rotor mag influence of the winding output. But with the core I had shown above, if I turn the core on its axis so the winding is on top and the mag just crosses over the bare core at the end of the winding, I get greater output. Also if the windings are down I get the same.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on August 21, 2016, 02:02:05 PM
Quote from: Erfinder
..., and yet, when we review the accepted literature, we find support, and the insane doesn't look so insane anymore.

Not only support, but it practically smacks one between the eyes with the obvious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukBFPrXiKWA

Though not everyone can see why a semi-permanent magnet would be a useful thing to have.

Instead, we do the same thing in our devices, day after day, paying for it at every instance.  Not so smart grasshopper.

Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 21, 2016, 04:53:16 PM


The only time we truly fail, is when our effort is centered around the idea of copying and pasting, the term being thrown around is "replication". 


Regards


A misconception. This is the very basis of our learning process.


When we see something being done it brings out the questions...what did he do, how did he do it, what did he do it with? and the final question, can I do that?


For example if we never saw anyone ski then we should in all probability never give it a thought. But having seen someone ski then the questions start, ah, he is using two thin boards just a bit taller than myself... and somehow they are fastened to my boots... you know the story...then by refining the items used with the process of standing upright and sliding down the hill we are ski-ing. We have learned through replication. It is not a bad word.


Ron


Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: tinman on August 22, 2016, 01:14:42 AM


Brad,


I am not entirely in agreement with JB's statement in his videos that this, 'Zero Force' is a non-generator.


Naudin showed way back when that this configuration can induce a voltage.


Ron

That is correct Ron.
Any time there is an external magnetic field changing in time with regards to an inductor,will cause a voltage to be induced across that inductor--and so it becomes a generating coil.
If there was no induced BackEMF from the magnet in motion to that of the inductor,the current would go sky high.


Brad
Title: Re: Zero Force Motor
Post by: i_ron on August 22, 2016, 08:29:29 PM

Hi erfinder, all,


with  erfinder's encouragement, he suggested I not give up on version 1,  I put the 6 pole rotor back in business.
 
 Adding a generating coil shows the nice sine wave on that coil.
 
 But this is where it gets interesting, lightly loading this coil does not upset the motor too much. Anything less that 300 ohms and the motor gradually slows right down.
 
 But... with a speed of 2045 RPM and a no load output of 4,86 volts... putting a 300 ohm load on the coil will, over several minutes, drag the RPM down to 2000 and the voltage down to 4.09 volts DC ((FWB, 1000 uF)
 
 It has just run like that for 30 minutes.
 
 A clarification, the motor draw is very much RPM sensitive, 300 mA at 1200 RPM, 200 mA at 2000 RPM. So there is no discernible input meter movement when connecting the load or disconnecting the load.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Enjoykin2017 on August 22, 2016, 11:49:15 PM
Hi Guys !!

Let's start from the very begining.

Prime question is: "Does the test electrostatic  charge/s (electron/s) and permanent magnet (both poles) interact among themselves or not interact and why is so ??".

There is our small experimental setup: Take a glass tube. Clean it from greased sweaty hands with alcohol. Now rub one end of a glass tube with synthetic fabric, and suspend it for the middle by means of a rubber flagella to a rack and bring at in vicinity permanent magnet near the polished end of glass tube.

1. Is there exist any kind of ineraction or force between test electrostatic charge/s (electron/s) in close proximity of southern or northern permanent magnet poles ??

Guys now do the same, but with non polished end.

2. Any interaction or not ??

To undesrtand any electro-magnetic paradox it was quite necessary to understand on prime experiment does the electrostatic test charge and a magnet interact among themselves ??

.........................
pps: "Physics stands on a stable foundation of the facts, but not on drift sand of imaginary hypotheses", E. Rutherford.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on August 23, 2016, 06:53:17 PM
"semi-permanent" ,Dog-One ? I think someone call this "Hybrid magnet" !
 
 The 45 Tesla Hybrid Magnet - Strongest Magnet Ever Built  It could pull your tooth filling out from half a mile away!
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on August 23, 2016, 09:21:54 PM
Just take example from EmJunkie thread and use the rised current in one leg of mutual transformer to create field around the resonant tank circuit or a lots of coils in some special configuration or non inductive position, basically without loading the input.[size=78%] [/size]
[size=78%]Looks like the Kapanadze aquarium box[/size]
Title: Re: from umpa lumpa to umpa lumpa
Post by: hoptoad on August 28, 2016, 07:38:29 AM
snip..

As I have stated more often than not, ones connection with the material is what I am most interested in.
snip..
All that to say this, do I know something you don't......I would like to think I do....
Regards
That's one reason why I'm more interested in air core designs these days.
 
If I had a dollar for every time Tesla's name arises on this site, I'd be a wealthy man. :D
Now I can be two dollars richer, since I've already mentioned him once and now I'll do it again. :P
Tesla foresaw a day, when iron, the backbone of the industrial and electrical revolution, would not be needed in the construction of generators.
He was thankful for the ubiquity and cost of iron in his day but knew the limitations it imposes on his systems.


Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on August 28, 2016, 09:46:18 AM
That's one reason why I'm more interested in air core designs these days.

Hi hoptoad, My generator is an air core but also acts as its' own motor.
Do you have any examples of air core designs.
Thanks artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 28, 2016, 11:47:42 AM
snip..
Hi hoptoad, My generator is an air core but also acts as its' own motor.
Do you have any examples of air core designs.
Thanks artv
I have no examples to give that are either unique, out of the ordinary, or even terribly interesting, other than favorable power to weight ratio characteristics.
Your generator sounds interesting. Perhaps you could provide more info on its self motoring characteristics ?
Cheers



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Kator01 on August 28, 2016, 11:57:22 PM
my objection to this test is that this is no proof.
Why ?

1)
Due diligence demands another test without the neons.
I would expect the recovery-condenser charging faster without neons.

2)
without schematics this test remains just a claim... no proof.
Schematic would show if he has applied appropriate electronic means of capturing the the maximum possible collapse-energy.

regards
Kator


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 29, 2016, 04:16:18 PM
my objection to this test is that this is no proof.
Why ?

1)
Due diligence demands another test without the neons.
I would expect the recovery-condenser charging faster without neons.

2)
without schematics this test remains just a claim... no proof.
Schematic would show if he has applied appropriate electronic means of capturing the the maximum possible collapse-energy.

regards
Kator

 Kator,your just banging your head against a brick wall,if you think you will get any sense at all from Erfinder-or anything useful.
He will ask for your opinion,and in the next post,he will say that he was not asking for your opinion.

Example-post 208
Quote: Can we generate observable transient activity (in a neon), while recovering in the traditional sense in pulse motors?

Here he clearly asks a question.
And when you question his video  ::)--well here is what you get in reply.

Post 211
Quote: I am not asking you nor anyone here anything, I am telling you something.

So in one post,he is asking everyone a question,and in the next post he is not asking anyone anything :D

What he showed in his video,is once again-nothing new.
I once thought he was miles ahead,but now i see just how far behind he is.

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Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on August 29, 2016, 04:48:45 PM
Dear Brad.

I read Erfinder's post a little differently.

" I am telling you something "

I might have also worded it.... " I am showing you something "

One mans personal opinion.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 29, 2016, 05:10:51 PM
Kator,your just banging your head against a brick wall,if you think you will get any sense at all from Erfinder-or anything useful.
He will ask for your opinion,and in the next post,he will say that he was not asking for your opinion.

snip
So in one post,he is asking everyone a question,and in the next post he is not asking anyone anything :D

What he showed in his video,is once again-nothing new.
I once thought he was miles ahead,but now i see just how far behind he is.


Brad




What you two guys are missing is that was a rhetorical question.... he knows the answer and is about to tell you.


Erfinder then posts a video which is self explanatory... but you both chose to get your backs up and deny what you saw, strange?


What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us.


That and the other video in the side bar are top notch, precise and to the point, well filmed, camera on a tripod so no vertigo from a camera being waved about like a fire hose... no, "I like to talk non-stop for 20 minutes BS", I like it


Erfinder, don't let these bumps in the road deter you from posting more on these little conundrums ... that lead to learning.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 29, 2016, 07:21:02 PM





Personal attacks are counter productive, period. All they do is put on public display one's ignorance and emotional insecurity.


How can we expect a better world if here at the macro level we show no empathy, tolerance or understanding for our fellow researchers?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I hope you guys have been following Keshe?


Keshe said one thing that really caught my attention.

The Soul of a man manifests fields, so many that he has a physical body. That is what Souls do. A man can manifest anything he needs, and take from the universe what he needs. If he instead turns to greed, and does not give of his abundance to others, the universe cannot give any more to him, as he is full.

 
So the concept is to learn to give to others, of your abundance, and the Soul we are becomes satisfied.
This is a total reversing of the general attitude of the money concept, where we all have to compete to gain financial security just to survive. We are conditioned to take, hoard, and think only of ourselves, while others in the world starve.

 
 
A reversal of the entire system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc)


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 29, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
@I_ron
Quote
What you two guys are missing is that was a rhetorical question.... he knows the answer and is about to tell you.

It is a matter of depth in my opinion and some peoples thoughts are like a lake ... expansive, deep and clear. Then we have others who's thoughts are like spilling a glass of water on the floor...shallow, transparent and predictable. I think most know exactly who we are referring to in this respect.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 29, 2016, 10:18:48 PM
@I_ron
It is a matter of depth in my opinion and some peoples thoughts are like a lake ... expansive, deep and clear. Then we have others who's thoughts are like spilling a glass of water on the floor...shallow, transparent and predictable. I think most know exactly who we are referring to in this respect.

AC


Although thinly disguised that is still character assassination. Do we need that?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 30, 2016, 01:27:18 AM
@i_ron
Quote
Although thinly disguised that is still character assassination. Do we need that?


Your statement reminds me of a science article I once read concerning intelligence and a complex binary number sequence experiment. The experiment is as follows, the subject walks into a white room with a red table and on the table is a grey metal box, a pad of white paper and a yellow pencil with a pink eraser. The metal box has four clear blue plastic buttons labelled 1, 2, 3, 4 and next to it a red light. They are given specific instructions: There are 5040 possible combinations and if you choose the correct one the red light will come on and you can open the box and collect your prize. You will be given X amount of time and when the time runs out the test is finished.


The most intelligent people spent the most time doing calculations determining the exact odds and most likely combinations then proceeded to input the correct combinations. The average people had weak mathematical and memory skills so they wrote down the combinations as they tried them so they wouldn't forget what they had done, a methodical approach which I might try. The least intelligent people had no idea so they first tried random combinations hoping to get lucky. Then they forgot what they were doing and started writing the numbers they tried down on the pad after the fact like the average people.


Obviously complex number sequences and mathematics is not for everyone nor is finding solutions to complex number problems. However the experiment revealed something remarkable because all of the groups mentioned above failed the test except for a very small number of test subjects. These great minds did something extraordinary and didn't listen to the instructions, they didn't calculate the odds nor did they jump to conclusions. They sat there for a while and then simply opened the box because it was never locked.


There is no need to assassinate anyone's character as you say because we do this quite well all by ourselves. As well now that you mention it who's character do you think I was assassinating because I didn't mention anyone by name but I'm sure everyone has someone in mind. I guess the obvious question is who's name came to mind and why because I don't know what others are thinking. Thus we come full circle don't we?, and it is this preconceived notion of things which generally comes round to bite us in the ass. Such is life in this strange place we call home.


On a note of interest I consider Erfinder a great mind but much more important to me a genuinely good person and hopefully the unthinking hordes with honed pitchforks and torches blazing do not sway his resolve, you are lucky to have him.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on August 30, 2016, 04:35:35 AM
Quote from: AC
On a note of interest I consider Erfinder a great mind but much more important to me a genuinely good person and hopefully the unthinking hordes with honed pitchforks and torches blazing do not sway his resolve, you are lucky to have him.


Yes, Erfinder is miles ahead of me.  But if I ever figure some of it out and can do it myself, I promise all of you will be able to as well.  Maybe it's where I'm at in life's journey.  Seems I can teach better than I can learn.

Erfinder is also very easy to get along with.  All you need to do is think for yourself and bring something new to the table.  Just don't be surprised if what you think is new, he's seen and done years ago.  Some of the long hours I spent with him would cost a small fortune to get by way of formal education.  I kick myself for not taking better notes.    :-[
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 30, 2016, 02:46:27 PM




Personal attacks are counter productive, period. All they do is put on public display one's ignorance and emotional insecurity.


How can we expect a better world if here at the macro level we show no empathy, tolerance or understanding for our fellow researchers?

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I hope you guys have been following Keshe?


Keshe said one thing that really caught my attention.

The Soul of a man manifests fields, so many that he has a physical body. That is what Souls do. A man can manifest anything he needs, and take from the universe what he needs. If he instead turns to greed, and does not give of his abundance to others, the universe cannot give any more to him, as he is full.

 
So the concept is to learn to give to others, of your abundance, and the Soul we are becomes satisfied.
This is a total reversing of the general attitude of the money concept, where we all have to compete to gain financial security just to survive. We are conditioned to take, hoard, and think only of ourselves, while others in the world starve.

 
 
A reversal of the entire system.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc)


Ron

Couldnt agree more Ron,but i give what is given to me.

My post to you regarding my new L.A.G build
Post 73-->Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in
The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.
Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.

Erfinders reponce to my work
Post 75

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Look familiar ?.

And another from Erfinder toward me.

Post 89
I am in no hurry to share anything with you.  You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway.  I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture.  The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations, and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, the more one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....
That one vague video of mine reveals more about what can be done, and the path which should be taken than your LAG, a title which has no justification, ever will. The thing I get the biggest kick out of is recognizing that you have no idea where the power you are desperately seeking is supposed to be coming from.  Its depressing watching you struggle with the concepts surrounding the acceleration concept, its even more depressing watching you drag the gullible from experiment to experiment and then dropping them off there, leaving them with the same questions that they started with.  If this weren't enough, the constant bitching and complaining and whining has literally stripped you of all street credit.  The scope and meters are more important than the ideas, and anyone who thinks opposite is an idiot?  I am fed the fuck up with all this, your term RUBBISH, and I am not alone, but the others will not voice their opinion, oh well....some one has to say something.
And all this from a guy who has yet to graduate from the SG circuit....This from a guy who has replicated every promising pulse motor concept, making it your business to show that the person you are replicating doesn't know what hes doing.  You sir don't know what you're doing, but you like to lead others to believe you do, fine and dandy, gonna need to draw out a map for all those garden paths you've led folk down.  One of my favorite fuck ups of yours pertains to the Zero Force Motor, I thought it was really amusing how you went out of your way to suggest that your misnamed concept is superior to that concept, its not, and you would know this had you done your homework on the subject, the concept and the associated principles, known and unknown to the public are old.  , a sick joke being played on the gullible, and a slap in the face to all who paved the way, you would be wise to review history.

So,if you (Ron),or anyone else think i am going to take shit like this from this ass hat,im sorry,but that is not going to happen.

Truth is,Erfinder has shown you nothing new,and if you think he has,then feel free to post it.

I see a video where two neon's light up,a cap charging,and an incandescent bulb lighting up--whats the big deal-->do you guys not know about  RF skin effect? .Would you think it magic if i showed a 3 volt LED surviving a voltage of over 200 volts across it, while happily lit with constant DC ?

When people say things like !!The LAG is an abomination!! about my work,then they will get the same in return. The big difference here is,i do not talk in riddles,and i share what i have.

Sorry guy's,but i dont take crap like that from anyone that disrespects the work i do,the way Erfinder has.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 30, 2016, 04:55:11 PM
@i_ron
snip


There is no need to assassinate anyone's character as you say because we do this quite well all by ourselves. As well now that you mention it who's character do you think I was assassinating because I didn't mention anyone by name but I'm sure everyone has someone in mind. I guess the obvious question is who's name came to mind and why because I don't know what others are thinking. Thus we come full circle don't we?, and it is this preconceived notion of things which generally comes round to bite us in the ass. Such is life in this strange place we call home.


On a note of interest I consider Erfinder a great mind but much more important to me a genuinely good person and hopefully the unthinking hordes with honed pitchforks and torches blazing do not sway his resolve, you are lucky to have him.


AC


A C, as a fellow Canuck I accept your very graceful backing away from your previous post.


Now if I can just tweak your last sentence to read..."we are lucky to have him"


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 30, 2016, 05:09:27 PM
Couldn't agree more Ron,but i give what is given to me.
snip

Sorry guy's,but i dont take crap like that from anyone that disrespects the work i do,the way Erfinder has.

Brad


Human nature being what it is... if you treat someone like a piece of shit then all that comes back is shit. What you might be overlooking is your previous comments and responses that led up to this. A less emotional response is the best response, always!


Sound good? Good, then we won't go into my relationship with Thane or Matt, LOL


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on August 30, 2016, 05:34:39 PM

Yes, Erfinder is miles ahead of me.  But if I ever figure some of it out and can do it myself, I promise all of you will be able to as well.  Maybe it's where I'm at in life's journey.  Seems I can teach better than I can learn.

Erfinder is also very easy to get along with.  All you need to do is think for yourself and bring something new to the table.  Just don't be surprised if what you think is new, he's seen and done years ago.  Some of the long hours I spent with him would cost a small fortune to get by way of formal education.  I kick myself for not taking better notes.    :-[


I can't say it better, in my time with him on emails and Skype I came away with the impression that he is very sincere, friendly, and helpful. He has some top of the line equipment, knows how to use it and is a master craftsman in his builds. Being a bit of a builder myself I am strongly biased in this direction and while I don't denigrate builders who don't have a machine shop in their lab I always am amazed and delighted at their perseverance and inventiveness. Kone is a good example of the get some pieces from the hardware store and build, "get er done"... he is a prolific builder. Then there are some more polished builders like Brad, Luc, Clanzer, possibly even myself. Then there is the creme de la creme of builders like Nali with outstanding graphics skills and impeccable building skills that are inspiring to say the least. I put erfinder's builds right up there. On Skype he was demonstrating a device for me and a couple of spins with his fingers and on to manipulate the scope while it (the device) ran down over minutes. Needless to say I was impressed with his knowledge and the design and implementation of his  devices.


And proud to add him to my list that says, "Friend"


Ron



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on August 31, 2016, 04:28:50 AM
:)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 31, 2016, 08:23:25 AM
 author=Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg490680#msg490680 date=1472570227]




Quote
No untrue, or exaggerated statements were made....You do yourself a disservice by highlighting that post.....every bit of it is true.

Only you would think that what cant be seen dose not exist--your mistake,not mine.

Quote
Truth as you see it isn't truth, its truth as you see it.  Fact is, I am showing something new to all who choose to appreciate it. This party is just starting, when it reaches climax depends on the vested interests, it's not a one man show like it has been...it's not about you.

Only you would think you have something new,when in actual fact,it is only new to you.
You think known science dose not know what you do?.

Quote
You would have demonstrated great wisdom by stopping at "what's the big deal...."  Everything that followed where you should have stopped, shows you are clueless as to what's going on in that stupid simple quick demo, and have offered your best wrong guess.  This isn't a guessing game.

Everything is a guessing game with you Erfinder-always has been.

Quote
The LAG is an abomination, and the rotary transformer was/is an unfinished abomination.  Feel free to comment on my non existing work.  You share what you have, and have shared nothing, from this one can safely assume you have nothing?  The ignorant have demonstrated time and time again that they are the only ones who think I talk in riddles.

The ignorant make assumptions that something is not finished,because they have not seen the finished product.
The rotary transformer is far from your reach,so please refrain from making judgement on something you know nothing about.

Quote
I don't make hour long videos that say nothing.

No-you make short video's that say even less.

You have nothing that comes even remotely close to the rotary transformer,but you are of course welcome to put your best up against it  ;).

What i have found in the past year,is many have lots to say(like your self),but when it comes to the crunch of answering a challenge-you,like many others,never have the balls to put your money where your mouth is-so to speak.

If you would like to be the third person to see what the !finished! rotary transformer can do,then challenge me with the best you have.
We will then see who has the abomination,and who has the good's.

I predict that you will not put your self in this position-like the many before you who made the same claims against me,through  fear of everyone else finding out who is the real deal,and who is nothing more than words on a page.

I practice induction, I don't just read about it and play with it in motors and generators.

Thats great,as i only play with motors and generator.
It (the challenge) should be a hands down win for you,as i am so far behind ;D

You have made claims against my work,and so now it's time you justify those claims.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Meta on August 31, 2016, 08:55:44 AM
erFINDER AND GENTLEMEN,

Ive watched you for a while now. Dont talk of metaphysics, circuits that are claimed to be working but "you just cant see it",  here, unless you want it measured and analyzed with science equipment, which it cant be.

Subjects like Keshe are so metaphysical it cant be discussed until you understand that intent drive the coils.

There are Keshe coils that are being built and sold in South America, by a group of friends I know of, who say, they are making successful electricity generating coils and the coils take time to be conditioned to produce more and more electricity daily using the intent of the operators. In the Northern hemisphere, Keshe is failing miserably. The measurers and doubters make sure of it. This is metaphysics and its beyond physics. There cannot be proof here. Its not measurable.

Perhaps we are successful or fail according to our intent.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on August 31, 2016, 11:02:20 AM
Perhaps you could provide more info on its self motoring characteristics ?

I collect generated output in cap banks and then once per rev dump that back into the coils.
My build is constantly changing, always trying different things, one set-up was strange though and am trying to build it again , I would fire the coils for drive only for an instant and 180 deg. later the coils were giving a big kick to the rotation , a much bigger kick than the original dump.
It's like the coils themselves were acting like caps somehow.
I like to see the work of others sometimes it helps.
Thanks to all who contribute.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on August 31, 2016, 12:25:34 PM
snip....
    one set-up was strange though and am trying to build it again , I would fire the coils for drive only for an instant and 180 deg. later the coils were giving a big kick to the rotation , a much bigger kick than the original dump.
It's like the coils themselves were acting like caps somehow.
Interesting effect.
I like to see the work of others sometimes it helps.
Thanks to all who contribute.
artv
Yes, I like to see the work of others too. Like most here, I suffer from severe curiosity.  :)  An ailment I'm happy to bear. ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on August 31, 2016, 03:17:13 PM
The ignore function works, just wanted to share that in case anyone felt the need to use it, I just added two individuals.  Felt good.....




Regards
Ah,i see.

Was to be expected-and was as predicted.

Lets hope those here do not choose to ignore those who have given freely-and will continue to do so.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on August 31, 2016, 07:15:39 PM
Quote from: Erfinder
Action and reaction are not sequential, they are not equal opposite, they are simultaneous-sequential, they are asymmetrical.

See, you do these things to us that make our heads hurt based on our learned definition of each word.

I get the concept, only because it came from you, but from anyone else, I would say to them, you're full of shit.  You can't be "at the same time" AND "in sequence".  Sequence infers order as in first, last.  Simultaneous infers exactly together in lock-step.

There has to be some words out there in the vast Aether that better describe this concept.  Something like cause and effect linkage, a recursive concept.  A condition where the cause comes from the effect as well as the effect coming from the cause.  An unbreakable bond of two distinct components that cannot be observed as anything but a singularity.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on August 31, 2016, 09:33:06 PM
So when motoring , generation is happening, and when generating, motoring is happening?
The problem is they cancel, unless you can switch the operations on and off at the right times.

I've seen where you dump one cap bank for drive and makes another bank collecting generation jump by 30 percent.
Lenz is part of the function , no way around it that I can see, just need to design the system to take advantage of Lenz instead of eliminating it.
It has all to do with magnetic fields, the more fields you add , the more complicated it gets.
One field acts one way, Two fields act another , now add several ,whole new ball game.
I think everything is a result of interacting magnetic fields, the more the merrier.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 01, 2016, 12:47:39 AM
@Erfinder,


Did you build a Transforming Generator replica?  The reason I ask is because I'm looking into Jim Murray's SERPS concept and I'd like to know as much about the the T.G. as possible.  I was speaking with another forum member and they suggested that you may have built one.   If so, do you have some youtube video links of any significant findings?


Thanks,


Dave


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 01, 2016, 10:21:04 AM
snip....
Sound good? Good, then we won't go into my relationship with Thane or Matt, LOL
Ron
LOL. I do remember you and I, and a few others, apparently being a thorn in the side of a certain TH.
But I don't actually remember any meanness from either of us. (Maybe I'm being selective, LOL) Though I do remember myself and yourself and a few others copping a lot of flak, and obfuscation from the other side of the opinion divide.  ;D

From memory, Nali hammered the final objective nail on the subject at hand.

Glad to see you're still actively tinkering. I've not done much tinkering with anything in the past few years, too busy earning a living, too tired during time off to get motivated.

I'm currently working two low paid part time jobs. Worst pay ever. Ironically, they are the best jobs I've ever had for earning that feeling of personal fulfillment. I started doing community and disability support work a few months ago, after doing the coursework and getting the qualifications needed. Shifts are short, many, with varying localities and times. And I'm loving it. Never a dull moment, with characters galore.

Cheers Ron... and keep on keepin' Ron!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 01, 2016, 12:12:25 PM
snip...
The majority only consider "recovery", (kickback, the spike) the sequential effect of a well understood cause.  They are oblivious to the simultaneous aspect of recovery because those who provided them with that which they possess didn't tell them about the simultaneous aspect of recovery.
snip...
Regards
@Erfinder
Just to clarify my own thoughts again, would it be fair to say that you may be alluding to the transformer effect outlined in 'Fig 19'.?
I think I'm thinking in the same general direction as you, as I re-visit the past, but I am still not really sure if we're on the same page yet. I may need a few lines drawn in for me.  :)
Cheers
Note* If people think I'm being cryptic, I'm simply referring to a diagram 'Fig 19' that I posted on a blog years ago regarding Adams motors.
For those who may be curious about what I'm alluding to, here's a link. It may or not contain info relevant to Erfinders current work, but you may still find it interesting to your own works re-pulsed motor-generators.
Go to page six. Scroll down to Fig 19.
http://hoptoads.5gbfree.com (http://hoptoads.5gbfree.com)

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 01, 2016, 12:50:29 PM
I remember that.....No, while I am referring to transformer action, I am not applying it like you are.  There are two key differences between what you are suggesting and what I am doing.
One, I prefer mosfets.....you know why......
Two, the second winding should not be rectified in this manner.....regardless of negative associations.
Regards
Cheers. Thanks for the lines! There's probably going to be a big time lag between me absorbing fresh information and actually putting it into practice . LOL Somebody hold that bus, I'm running late, again!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 01, 2016, 03:15:12 PM



Nope I haven't but I did build an air core, single phase, pulsed DC machine which exhibits the same phenomena that he references here:


https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520


I completely support the idea that beat frequency generation is involved here.  Of all that he is demonstrating, this concept has the most promise in my opinion, especially as it relates to air core systems.




Regards

So his latest motor draws 19 amps at 100 volts,and has no load on it.
So we have a 1.9Kw noisy heater--thats fantastic  ::)

Can anyone point me in the direction of any efficiency tests that Jim Murray has done on any of his machines ?,as i cant seem to find just one.

Sad times indeed to see so many bright minds being hoodwinked.



Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 01, 2016, 04:21:09 PM

Motoring and generating are always taking place at the same time.  So far I have only mentioned the simultaneous-sequential nature of cause and effect as it applies to recovery.  I have not said anything regarding motoring and generating proper.  Were I to agree with you, I would be saying nothing you don't know already.  The generation that you are familiar with, the one operating inside your motor winding, is not being harvested.  Can it be harvested? 



Lenz offered us a way to look at things, that's it.  We can choose to follow his lead, or we can blaze our own trail guided by his suggestion.  I practice the latter. To truly neutralize the effect that Lenz has on your system you simply need to comprehend what he's saying.  I suggested that beat generation is the solution, it says it all, when you recognize what's being said, when you comprehend what's being implied.  Murray said the motor would need 1500v to run without the caps.....I know why the amperage shot up, cause I built a machine that does the same thing.  The resident basher says it's stupid....and this only because he don't get it, he only sees a heater......  My god, some (one in particular) are so blind, and you people put these folks in charge.....




Regards

Looks like the ignore function is broken :D
Who are !you! people,and who is the folks in charge?.

How is Jim Murray's motors and generators coming alone--i mean,it has been !how many! years now ?

Look at the title of the video
Man Solves Tesla’s Secret To Amplifying Power By Nearly 5000%

Another lie,and a great insult to a great man(Tesla)

Jim Murray has solved nothing,as is evident in his video
Amplifies power by nearly 5000%-->another lie. He dose not even have a motor or generator that operates at 95% efficiency.
All he has so far is !nothing!

And another mis-direction on Murrays behalf
We have 55 foot pounds of torque,and only drawing 2.28 amp's of current  :o

What is torque without motion?
What is amp's without voltage ?

How can you promote rubbish like this Erfinder,and still sleep at night.
Do you not have the slightest bit of respect for the fellow members that are following you ?.

So many of them were on the right track,and now they are being pulled into the bottomless pit of nothingness--by you.

Sleep well


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 01, 2016, 05:28:55 PM
LOL. I do remember you and I, and a few others, apparently being a thorn in the side of a certain TH.
But I don't actually remember any meanness from either of us. (Maybe I'm being selective, LOL) Though I do remember myself and yourself and a few others copping a lot of flak, and obfuscation from the other side of the opinion divide.  ;D

snip

Cheers Ron... and keep on keepin' Ron!


Good to hear from you hoptoad... and here we are still at it, eh?


Just to keep the record straight with TH, overall it was a grand time. He is an honourable man, the work I did for him was supposed to have been just my cost for materials yet he always paid me more than I asked for, even sent me some of his art work...he was an artist, did you know? and quite good. It was unfortunate that the squabbles were on a public forum, but that is life I guess.


I do things for fun, so your, 'no meanness' hits the nail on the head exactly.


Take care mate


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 01, 2016, 09:42:52 PM

If I were asked to pick a hero Murray or Brad.....it's a no brainer.

Regards
 


Right on!!! I would pick Brad also! Glad that is over and done with....


(Humour)


Ron


   

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 01, 2016, 11:45:10 PM



Nope I haven't but I did build an air core, single phase, pulsed DC machine which exhibits the same phenomena that he references here:


https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520 (https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520)


I completely support the idea that beat frequency generation is involved here.  Of all that he is demonstrating, this concept has the most promise in my opinion, especially as it relates to air core systems.




Regards


Can you link me to a starting point to read more about this machine?


Thanks


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 10:05:13 AM

Right on!!! I would pick Brad also! Glad that is over and done with....


(Humour)


Ron


 



Hi Ron - I completely agree.

I bet money that no one will take Brad's Build Off Challenge!!! For the sake of saving one’s self from drowning in Rock Solid Science and Basic Fundamentals.

So, who here is up for it?

Brad, how about you and I, in a Build Off... We lay down some guidelines, start with some fundamentals and then kick it up a gear!

My E-Motor experience is little, I would not expect to win, but for the sake of actually learning something and gaining some knowledge, sharing some hard provable data with my colleagues, with real videos and real data, and showing something of value, I will be keen. I sure am not scared to learn something new! Hey, maybe, it's a long shot, but I may Win???

Because, really, there is just far too much talk!!! Decades of BS from the professional BSérs!!!

Which, by the way, I know will not participate in the Challange!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 10:26:08 AM



We could use GNU Licensing:

Quote from: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLHardware

Can I use the GPL to license hardware? (#GPLHardware)


Any material that can be copyrighted can be licensed under the GPL. GPLv3 can also be used to license materials covered by other copyright-like laws, such as semiconductor masks. So, as an example, you can release a drawing of a physical object or circuit under the GPL.

In many situations, copyright does not cover making physical hardware from a drawing. In these situations, your license for the drawing simply can't exert any control over making or selling physical hardware, regardless of the license you use. When copyright does cover making hardware, for instance with IC masks, the GPL handles that case in a useful way.



To protect from Thieves and Wroghters that Thieve Others Work and sleep well at night, stone cold low Lifes!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 11:11:28 AM



Lets get some Guidelines going, No particular Order:

   1: Entrants must agree on the same baseline Type/Make/Model of Motor.
   2: Entrants must document at every stage for the final entry.
   3: Entrants must be willing to concede to the voters.
   4: Circuits must be accurate and disclosed to the voters.
   5: Entrants must be serious about this challange!
   6: All submitted videos must be longer than 30 seconds.
   7: Videos must show the entire device, nothing hidden and nothing secret.
   8: All data must be Scientific and Real, no fairy tale BS...
   9: If the entrant chooses, torque and electrical output can be included in the Data. Both must be recorded at the same time.
   10: Major modifications must be passed by the other entrants, but Permanent Magnets can be added.
   
Gee Help me out guys!!! What else?

Also: "beat frequency generation" - Really? You really dont know what this is? What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 02, 2016, 03:10:57 PM
 author=EMJunkie link=topic=15307.msg490838#msg490838 date=1472803513]



Because, really, there is just far too much talk!!! Decades of BS from the professional BSérs!!!

Which, by the way, I know will not participate in the Challange!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

The proof is always in the video Chris,and it is in plain sight in Jim Murray's video as well.
But the fact is,when some one like Erfinder start to promote such rubbish,others tend not to bother looking at things carefully,and just believe what they are told.
Either Jim is very stupid,or is being very deceitful-or he may have simply not understood what he was seeing,or just missed it altogether.Lets give Jim the benefit of doubt,and say he just dose not understand eddy current heating,and conversion of that heat into electrical power,as this is exactly what is happening with the demo of his early dynaflux generator-conversion of eddy current heat into electrical power.

Lets look at the original dynaflux generator,and the claims being made in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2520

First the claim
At 12:30 in the video Jim states that the machine(the dynaflux generator) hardly reflects the load to the prime mover,when the load(two bulbs) are switched on.

That is absolute rubbish.
In fact,the machine(the generator) presents a very large load on the prime mover,only Jim dose not see it-nor do most that watch these sorts of scams.

Unfortunately for Jim,his video shows that the dynaflux generator places a huge load on the prime mover,and  only delivers 13.07% of the load that the generator places on the prime mover,to the bulbs. :o
The efficiency of the generator is the worst i have seen,and we can make accurate calculations using the information in Jim's own video.
P/in total =556.32 watts
P/out to bulbs=40.09 watts.
Efficiency=7.2%  :D

Erfinder says that Jim Murray is !tha man!,and i say that Jim Murray has no idea what he is doing or looking for,or is being out right deceitful--> i would think lack of understanding what he is seeing would be more the case

This is why Erfinder thinks Jim is the man,as he is just as lost as Jim is,and dose not understand what he is looking at.

Erfinder will not challenge me on this,as he knows i can present the good's-show,explain,and prove that the dynaflux generator places a huge load on the prime mover,and delivers very little of that extra load to the bulbs-->only 13.07% of the extra power is delivered to the bulbs,and the rest is waste heat.
Like i said,it's a great heater.

To others on this thread
You can mock and hate me all you like,but facts are facts--and all the proof is in Jims video it self.
You can choose to continue on blindly,or you can be true to your self--your call.

If anyone here would like me to back up my claim's,using only Jims own video,i am more than happy to do so.

Also: "beat frequency generation"  What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there

No Chris
Once again,Jim is lost,and dose not know what  AC Induction motor slip is-so he came up with beat frequency generation  :D
I can(and have) replicated this effect using an !off the shelf! AC induction motor,and variac--it's that simple. At low voltages,where the frequency remains at 50/60Hz,the motor will !slip!. When the voltage gets high enough,the poles of the motor will grab the frequency,and synchronize with it.
This is exactly what Jim shows in his video--no !beat! frequency there.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 02, 2016, 03:19:07 PM


Lets get some Guidelines going, No particular Order:

   1: Entrants must agree on the same baseline Type/Make/Model of Motor.
   2: Entrants must document at every stage for the final entry.
   3: Entrants must be willing to concede to the voters.
   4: Circuits must be accurate and disclosed to the voters.
   5: Entrants must be serious about this challange!
   6: All submitted videos must be longer than 30 seconds.
   7: Videos must show the entire device, nothing hidden and nothing secret.
   8: All data must be Scientific and Real, no fairy tale BS...
   9: If the entrant chooses, torque and electrical output can be included in the Data. Both must be recorded at the same time.
   10: Major modifications must be passed by the other entrants, but Permanent Magnets can be added.
   
Gee Help me out guys!!! What else?

Also: "beat frequency generation" - Really? You really dont know what this is? What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Sounds like fun Chris.
Im in if you can get Erfinder to accept the challenge as well,as it is he that stated my works are abominations,and my challenge is to those that have much to say about my work,but never have the balls to challenge it.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 03:19:25 PM



Brad, none of my posts were directed at you, all at Erfinder and his Fairy Tale Science BS!

I only meant to offend Erfinder, who else do you know that makes 30 second videos showing nothing but Hot Air!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 05:10:33 PM

Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.


And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now.  You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to  use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that.  Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent. 


If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming.  The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth.  Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community.  You think you are helping folk, but you aren't.  What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform.  You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned?  So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING.  Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF?  To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread. 


Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...




Retards


So, I guess this is your odd way of accepting this Challange - Brads Build Off Challange? - Put your Work where your Mouth is, let that do the talking for a while!!!

Are you able to squeze out a Yes or No?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 02, 2016, 05:17:34 PM
@tinman

Quote
Once again,Jim is lost,and dose not know what  AC Induction motor slip is-so he came up with beat frequency generation  [/size]I can(and have) replicated this effect using an !off the shelf! AC induction motor,and variac--it's that simple. At low voltages,where the frequency remains at 50/60Hz,the motor will !slip!. When the voltage gets high enough,the poles of the motor will grab the frequency,and synchronize with it.



You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.


Think of it this way brad, I have two pulleys and a belt connecting them and if the belt is tight then the transmission of force is constant like DC. Now let's loosen the belt and let it start to vibrate like our LC tank does. At which point the inertia of the drive belt itself and it's small loss/gain in motion may periodically increase or decrease the speed of either the drive or load pulley.


We find that the belt oscillation overdrives the load pulley and then because the belt is connecting the two pulley's and oscillating the load pulley then transfers this energy to the drive pulley... then repeats. I know these things because I'm a farm boy and I have a knack for having machinery vibrate itself apart at the drop of a hat.


You can also use a two pendulum system as I have built to show the effect better. Take a lever with a fulcrum in the middle then attach one pendulum to each end of the lever. Set one pendulum in motion and you will see an alternation where one pendulum slows as the other increases then at some point the energy transfer reverses. The pendulum which was increasing is now slowing and the pendulum which was slowing is now increasing. These are oscillating/alternating systems and are easy to understand.


I'm not sure where your going here because I have absolutely no issues proving what you say cannot be done in both mechanical and electrical systems. It's not a problem in fact I have more of a problem trying to get rid of the phenomena than I do creating it.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 02, 2016, 05:19:30 PM
You can't read......Not no, Hell no....




I have no interest in joining your boy band....HELL NO.  The two of you can work that out on your own.


What are you scared of, no pink crayons at the party?

Put your work where your mouth is. Lets do it.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 02, 2016, 05:51:17 PM
@tinman


 


Think of it this way brad, I have two pulleys and a belt connecting them and if the belt is tight then the transmission of force is constant like DC. Now let's loosen the belt and let it start to vibrate like our LC tank does. At which point the inertia of the drive belt itself and it's small loss/gain in motion may periodically increase or decrease the speed of either the drive or load pulley.


We find that the belt oscillation overdrives the load pulley and then because the belt is connecting the two pulley's and oscillating the load pulley then transfers this energy to the drive pulley... then repeats. I know these things because I'm a farm boy and I have a knack for having machinery vibrate itself apart at the drop of a hat.


You can also use a two pendulum system as I have built to show the effect better. Take a lever with a fulcrum in the middle then attach one pendulum to each end of the lever. Set one pendulum in motion and you will see an alternation where one pendulum slows as the other increases then at some point the energy transfer reverses. The pendulum which was increasing is now slowing and the pendulum which was slowing is now increasing. These are oscillating/alternating systems and are easy to understand.





AC

OK AC,here is your challenge.
Show me any device that gains energy by way of this !so called! beat frequency phenomena .
I would also advise both your self and Erfinder to put forward your description of what beat frequency phenomena-or what beat frequency is to you?.

Quote
I'm not sure where your going here because I have absolutely no issues proving what you say cannot be done in both mechanical and electrical systems. It's not a problem in fact I have more of a problem trying to get rid of the phenomena than I do creating it.

You lost me her.
What are you referring to ?.

Quote
You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.

No you havnt. The small parallel cap will act only as a smoothing cap-nothing more,and will have absolutely nothing to do with beat frequency generation.

I have provided accurate P/in --P/out measurements for Jims dynaflux generator,and as i stated-it is the worst i have seen.

Here is the truth

To once again quote the title of Jim Murrays video
Man Solves Tesla’s Secret To Amplifying Power By Nearly 5000%

Outright lie.
Said man has designed a generator that is only just above 7% efficient.

Avoided at all cost--the presentation of any accurate power measurements that show this 5000% amplification of power.
Avoided at all cost by way of misdirection by Erfinder,any evidence to back up Jim Murrays claims--the man Erfinder says !is tha man!

So the ball is in your court AC
Provide proof that !actual! beat frequency generation increases the efficiency of a motor or generator.

As i said,Jim is showing inductive frequency slip--nothing to do with beat frequency.

You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.

Yes,this i can do in a heart beat,and show you with the scope that there is no beat frequency bollocks involved with this circuit you present.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 02, 2016, 06:00:39 PM

Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.


And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now.  You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to  use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that.  Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent. 


If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming.  The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth.  Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community.  You think you are helping folk, but you aren't.  What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform.  You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned?  So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING.  Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF?  To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread. 


Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...




Retards

EMJ putting his two cents worth in had nothing to do with me cup cake,so stop being so dramatic  ::)

As for the rest of your post--bla.

How is Jim Murrays dynaflux generator looking now?--just over 7% efficient going by his own numbers in his own video.
Yea--he da man ;)

Where is his 5000% power amplification ?

All proof you will-and do avoid at all cost,just to keep your !Alice in wonderland! fairy tale going.


As i said,Tesla's good name once again dragged through the mud to promote lies.

Epic fail


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 02, 2016, 06:05:13 PM


Brad, none of my posts were directed at you, snip

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Same here Brad, no problem. The problem is, is that it has become a polarity issue where the group has to pick sides... this is nonsense.


If the different points of view could be presented with less "certainty" and left with a wee bit of wiggle room, then we could add and subtract without hostility taking place.


I want to be on good terms with both parties and not have to chose sides, OK?


Brad, sooner or later we come to understand that 98 % of the world has never heard of us and could care less ...and that of the remaining 2 % most will look favourably on us ... yet there will a tiny minority that hate (rather a strong word) us... that we can do nothing about, except  grin and bear it, no need to get all emotional about it.


So erfinder, you have the option to recognize that your approach is not having the desired effect and to change to a less confrontational style to better get your important message across would be a benefit to all.


Regards, Ron
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 02, 2016, 06:11:32 PM
@tinman
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Sounds like fun Chris.[/size]Im in if you can get Erfinder to accept the challenge as well,as it is he that stated my works are abominations,and my challenge is to those that have much to say about my work,but never have the balls to challenge it.


I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.


1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.


2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.


3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.


4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.


5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.


You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 02, 2016, 06:37:20 PM
Let it be know that Eric Dollard was also a proponent of harmonic beat frequencies for 'energy synthesis'.  I hope nobody's foot gets too far into their mouth...


Dave

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 02, 2016, 07:06:22 PM
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition

If you want to enter it as competitor, go for it.

However...

The beauty of an idea cannot be appreciated by individuals with dripping snots all over the screen captures.
It is a work of the mind and it cannot be really appreciated by any measuring device.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 02, 2016, 07:20:50 PM
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Kator01 on September 02, 2016, 10:47:20 PM

Same here Brad, no problem. The problem is, is that it has become a polarity issue where the group has to pick sides... this is nonsense.


If the different points of view could be presented with less "certainty" and left with a wee bit of wiggle room, then we could add and subtract without hostility taking place. .......
....................


I want to be on good terms with both parties and not have to chose sides, OK?


.


Regards, Ron
 

I hate to do this, but I must remind you, ron,  that you started to take sides and polarised this topic when I posted my doubts ( reply #210) about the " we can " Vid by erfinder. You even posted this here in reply #214:

"What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us."

So now the truth starts shining through this veil of illusion erfinder was trying to establish in order to distract attention from the topic of this thread.

By the way - to mention Keshe as an argument is the worst you can do to yourself after all we know now about this guy:

http://www.keshefacts.org/ (http://www.keshefacts.org/)
  https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/ (https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/)
Mike


 (https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/)
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 12:22:07 AM
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)



Hey Forest - You’re quite right!

Several examples come to mind immediately: Kromrey Converter (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8bweiJp8v0), John Bedini's G-Field Generator (http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/bedkrom.htm), Witts Fueless Generator (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0), the QEG (Based on the Wits Device), Jim Murrays What ever machine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y)

All devices except, the Kromrey Converter and John Bedini's G-Field Generator uses LC Tank Resonance to bring about this effect, which as Brad said creates Slip (http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrical-motor-slip-d_652.html) in these motors. If you like Speed relative reluctance on the Rotor.

But why, no one has looked into this further, why not?

The Fields, two of them at least, separately, Buck each other. There is a Timing and a relative level of Mutual Inductance between these Coils. As Coil Current, in the Tank, goes High, the Input Current is going Low in Time, each Field Bucks and thus the Noise.

Like I said, my Electric Motor Experience is poor, I have not spent much time experimenting with motors. I have studied this effect and experimented with it. I most certainly was not able to get any OU from my work on these motors. In-fact, as Brad said, my efficiency’s were very low.

But, not to say these devices don’t work, just mine were not very efficient. I most certainly am not here to shoot others work down just because I was not able to achieve a result.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: I should point out, in a different System, where one can adjust the relative Timing, then these Fields can give very different results. As we have seen for some time now: Action (http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/propulsion/2-every-action-has-an-equal-and-opposite.html), Reaction (http://www.qrg.northwestern.edu/projects/vss/docs/propulsion/2-every-action-has-an-equal-and-opposite.html), and Counter-Reaction (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/counter-reaction)


P.S: Why is Three the Magic Number? Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction... Newton's Laws of Motion...



P.P.S: Did you see that? See the clear difference:


Find the most simple means of generating one first.  No caps, its easier than you think, or have been led to believe....


Regards


Can you feel that? Yep, Erfinder has been Owned (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Owned) Again!!!


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 03, 2016, 12:51:09 AM
I hate to do this, but I must remind you, ron,  that you started to take sides and polarised this topic when I posted my doubts ( reply #210) about the " we can " Vid by erfinder. You even posted this here in reply #214:

"What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us."

So now the truth starts shining through this veil of illusion erfinder was trying to establish in order to distract attention from the topic of this thread.

By the way - to mention Keshe as an argument is the worst you can do to yourself after all we know now about this guy:

http://www.keshefacts.org/ (http://www.keshefacts.org/)
  https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/ (https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/)
Mike



I guess you are right! At that time I was coming in on erfinders side... now I am coming in on Brad's side. Confused by the ongoing virulence? you could say so


However I stand corrected on Duff and Keshe. Thanks for the heads up! I knew Alex was and a certain energiser club but that was news to me. However I stand by the sentiment of the quote that I posted. To justify that, it is my opinion that these false fronts often sprinkle their work with actual facts to try and make it believable. Then it just becomes a matter of winnowing out the chaff.


Ron




Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 03, 2016, 01:40:58 AM
@tinman
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OK AC,here is your challenge.[/size]Show me any device that gains energy by way of this !so called! beat frequency phenomena .I would also advise both your self and Erfinder to put forward your description of what beat frequency phenomena-or what beat frequency is to you?.


I didn't say or even imply there is an energy gain using two oscillators and a beat frequency I only gave a few examples where I have seen a beat frequency take place for myself.


As well so far as Erfinder and I are concerned I consider him a friend however we disagree on many things just as I disagree with you on many things. Erfinder and myself generally laugh about the fact we disagree and we try to convince each other we must be right but make no mistake there is always a mutual respect between us concerning each others work right or wrong. It is a mutual respect that one has made the effort, endless hours in search of something which may never come into being but there is always hope. That is our bond...hope and an absurd amount of experiments we hope will lead us in the right direction.


I thought this was pretty cool...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpN9uLiouI
Now if we replaced the tuning forks with any two or more oscillators be it a physical oscillation or a field oscillation and we could get some interesting effects.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 03, 2016, 02:01:20 AM
Superheterodyne.

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/ldbutler/Superhet.htm

The idea of  using two frequencies to produce a third or beat frequency is a very old idea.  But can be a very useful thing to know as this article explains.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 02:06:28 AM
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)

What if !some! here learn the difference between beat frequency propagation,-- nodes,and antinodes in electromagnetic standing waves. ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 02:29:26 AM
What if !some! here learn the difference between beat frequency propagation,-- nodes,and antinodes in electromagnetic standing waves. ;)


Brad



Hahahaha - Turbo Charged Induction - I like this idea!!!


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Magnetic effects vary on the square of the Current.



   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 03:20:25 AM
 author=i_ron link=topic=15307.msg490912#msg490912 date=1472856669]






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I guess you are right! At that time I was coming in on erfinders side... now I am coming in on Brad's side. Confused by the ongoing virulence? you could say so


However I stand corrected on Duff and Keshe. Thanks for the heads up! I knew Alex was and a certain energiser club but that was news to me. However I stand by the sentiment of the quote that I posted. To justify that, it is my opinion that these false fronts often sprinkle their work with actual facts to try and make it believable. Then it just becomes a matter of winnowing out the chaff.




Hi Ron

It's not about taking side's.
The existence of this forum is built on searching for truth's,and weeding out the rubbish from the roses. It is about presenting fact's,and removing fictions,and we do a good job most of the time-->but some times the weeds just keep coming back.

I will give you an example of fact and fiction--Jim Murray's dynaflux generator.
Here we will look at the first part of the video,which is about his original dynaflux generator.
In this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y  at 12:30,he states that this machine(the dynaflux generator) presents no load on the prime mover when power is drawn from the generator.

Lucky for us,all the information is in the video,that clearly shows a very heavy load being placed on the generator.
I will show and explain as to why people are missing this load when Jim draws power from the generator to light the bulb's.

The first screenshot below shows the power being drawn by the prime mover to run both it self,and spin the generator assembly.
We can see that the power consumption is 127.9 watts.
Now remember,this is !before! the field magnet is switched on-->127.9 watts

The second screenshot shows the power consumption of the prime mover !after! the field magnet is switched on,but !before! a load is drawn from the generator-->the load is the two bulbs.
We can now see that the prime mover is drawing !wait for it!-->a wopping 434.62 watts of power-->and no load is being drawn from the generator yet :o

So we have gone from the prime mover drawing 127.9 watts,to it now drawing 434.62 watts ;)
That is a 339.8% increase in power consumption--and no load is being placed on the generator yet  :o. All Jim did was switch on the field magnet--nothing more.
The field magnet it self consumes 121.72 watts of power,but i have left that out of the calculation,as the electromagnet could be replaced with a PM.

Now,in the third screenshot below,Jim has connected the load(the two bulbs)to the generator,and those two bulbs are dissipating 40.09 watts of power.
This is the point where Jim states that the machine(the generator) hardly loads the prime mover  ::),when in actual fact,the prime mover was heavily loaded before Jim placed a load on the generator.
This load placed on the prime mover at the moment Jim switched on the field magnet,is in the form of eddy current generation,and the power used to create these eddy currents and resistive heat was 312.9 watts.

When Jim switches on the load to the generator(the two bulb's),and states that the generator places no load on the prime mover when doing so,is nothing more than rubbish,as the load was placed on the prime mover !before! he switched on the two bulbs.

The reason that no reflection was seen on the prime mover the moment he switched on the bulb's,is because some of that 312.9 watts of waste heat energy,was transformed into electrical energy to run the bulbs.

Can i prove that waste heat due to eddy currents can be converted into electrical energy-->you bet ya butt i can. And at the very same time,in the very same video,i show exactly what Jim show's,in that when i light my two bulbs,it places no load on the prime mover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0


Now you know why i call Jim Murrays dynaflux generator a big heater,and a very poor generator.

These are things Erfinder will not show you--he would prefer you did not know,as it would become apparent that Jim is not !tha man!
Erfinder also hates using instruments to make measurements,so it is ironic that Jim's(Erfinders hero) own measurements,in his own video,shows just how poor the dynaflux generator actually is at generating power--but it makes a great heater. :D


Everyone here has the right to choose what they believe,but this one is a no brainer,and i have presented all the data required for those here to see the truth about the mighty Jim Murray,and his wonderful dynaflux generator.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 04:19:14 AM



To be fair, I think Jim Murray's early work was helpfull. Before he got involved with the Murakami Army.

Some deception is apparent these days. Like sharing 80% of SERPS with the public, then saying because a Patent is pending, no more will be shared. The critical part.

Everyone should be carefull, when one shows a Concept, it is possibly the start to an understanding and not the entire device.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 04:53:57 AM


To be fair, I think Jim Murray's early work was helpfull. Before he got involved with the Murakami Army.



   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Bingo  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 03, 2016, 06:55:41 AM
We only have to answer the question : would the beat frequency when used as a source for tank circuit , affect the original place where it was created ? Or : if the mix of frequencies produce other frequency and that frequency is used to pump LC circuit how this would load the original source ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 07:12:20 AM
We only have to answer the question : would the beat frequency when used as a source for tank circuit , affect the original place where it was created ? Or : if the mix of frequencies produce other frequency and that frequency is used to pump LC circuit how this would load the original source ?



Yes - Both Constructive and Destructive!

There become's a point where this is no longer seen as a "Beat Frequency" (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/beat.html) - When the Frequencies no longer differ because of the timing.

Thus a timing sensitive component in these systems. After all, what is a Standing Wave... either way we can see: Constructive and Destructive Interference (http://www.phys.uconn.edu/~gibson/Notes/Section5_2/Sec5_2.htm)...

It’s worth looking into Noise Cancelation, or some Videos I have posted of others experiments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpEevfOU4Z8

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 10:43:46 AM
Find a means for generating a beat frequency, and see for yourself how stupid the wannabe authorities sound when they say shit like, "yeah....constructive and destructive...."  He hasn't built anything in this direction, I have.  I'm not asking you to take my word for it nor join a team.  Find the simplest means for generating a beat, and LOAD THE DAMN THING, see for yourself.  Recognize the relation between the inducing has to the induced, there is no negative back coupling.  Note the output, get mad, cause its low, comprehend why, study and recognize what is necessary to lift it back to "desired" levels. 


They are beginning to talk major crap now, introducing things like nodes and antinodes...suggesting that folks learn what these things are.  I have, and use them, haven't seen them operating at this level yet, and it's doubtful that I ever will.




Regards



A nest of contradictions in the one drively piffle of Fairy Tale Science!!! Even an outright Lie in there!!!

"take my word for it" is the ONLY thing you offer others!!! Non existant Documentation, Bad Videos, Fairy Tales Science... Erfinder youre a classic exmple of how NOT to do it!!!

Hey Tinker Bell, have you any idea what you just wrote?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 10:58:40 AM



Can someone explain this to Erfinder? I can no longer speak Clown!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 11:05:46 AM



@Brad - In terms of Constructive/Destructive Interference, in what order would you put these terms, of course we know there should always be three.

Shall we put some minds into overdrive tonight and get them thinking why how and in what order?

I can put dollars down on which horse will finish this race last!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 11:38:00 AM


@Brad - In terms of Constructive/Destructive Interference, in what order would you put these terms, of course we know there should always be three.

Shall we put some minds into overdrive tonight and get them thinking why how and in what order?

I can put dollars down on which horse will finish this race last!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

You have to laugh Chris

Those that laughed at you,now use your terms of propagation  :D
Action-reaction-counter reaction--->beat frequency

You will notice once again,that Erfinder avoided the results of Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator  ::).
Guess he didnt think anyone would notice the trickery going on there.

All well and good to call some one elses work an abomination,when the man he thinks is !tha man!,has the worst ever generator in history.

But he cant get out of this one,as the proof is in !tha man's! own video lol.
Maybe people will take a step back now,and see who really is in lala land.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 12:42:54 PM

 You cannot and will not lead anyone to anything practical, let alone useful.

And you can?
Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator perhaps?

P/in=556.34 watts
P/out to load=40.09 watts
Efficiency=7.2%  :D

He da man  ;)

As i said,you insult others and there work,and yet you present the worst generator ever made as being the path to the future.


Brad



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 03:47:59 PM

I just say what others won't about yours and the resident plagiarist, copy paste junkie.

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Your work is and will forever remain an abomination,

And still smoke anything you have ever done.

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and you are one to talk, all you do is insult "others" work, hypocrite.


Such as who?--Murray,Bedini,Arron the rookie?--the garbage you promote ?.

You stated that Murray would run rings around me,so where are the rings?

Now,that dynaflux generator you love so much,from the man you admire so much--now that is an abomination  ;)

In fact Erfinder,after all these years of your fairy dust engineering,you have not presented one device from any of your guru's,that is even close to being anywhere near as efficient as the RT,and that is a fact. You dislike me because you know i see through the bullshit-such as Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator. I bet you didnt even bother taking any notice at all at what the efficiency actually was,but more so just followed a blind path behind !tha man! that said he had a winner. Now you try and drag others into your trip up the garden path,and you dont give a rats ass who you tread on while on your journey to no where.

Quote post 230

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The ignore function works, just wanted to share that in case anyone felt the need to use it, I just added two individuals.  Felt good.....

Even your ignore function efficiency is well below standards.
Hopefully there are those that did not place me on !ignore!,and look at the data i supplied on Jim !the man! Murray's dynaflux generator,and can now see just how inefficient it actually is--and this is the type of garbage you are telling people here that they should pay attention to--while calling my RT and L.A.G an abomination lol.

Then came the !beat frequency! saga-->because Jim !tha man! said so   ;D


Brad


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 03, 2016, 05:14:55 PM
author=i_ron link=topic=15307.msg490912#msg490912 date=1472856669]

Hi Ron

It's not about taking side's.
The existence of this forum is built on searching for truth's,and weeding out the rubbish from the roses. It is about presenting fact's,and removing fictions,and we do a good job most of the time-->but some times the weeds just keep coming back.
snip
I will give you an example of fact and fiction--Jim Murray's dynaflux generator.

Brad


Thanks Brad, well thought out experiment, I had missed that but see the connection now to the "dynaflux".


I am working on a Bob Teal rep at the moment, having foolishly sent $7 US to the "army", that was funny!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 03, 2016, 05:25:46 PM
@Erfinder
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The relation of the added beats is such that it causes the isolated envelope to transition from a standing to traveling wave.  Now you have a wave packet which bounces between impedances, a less than ideal set of circumstances (a situation which demands one's attention prior to trying to apply this for practical use) for the packet of energy you have worked hard at isolating and mobilizing.


While I do not believe two oscillators producing a beat frequency can show a gain I do think it has the potential to do some interesting things. Things which we cannot do any other way due to the nature of the process.


For instance if we have two oscillators producing a standing wave function and a third element within the standing wave dissipates a given amount of energy periodically then the energy transfer is towards the standing wave center. The two oscillators lose energy and the third element gains the energy lost from the two oscillators which it dissipates and energy is conserved.


Energy is conserved, however if the two oscillators are driven by the loss in energy in the system acting inward towards a third element which reinforces the standing wave this is considered work. The third element which gained energy from the system and dissipated it in another form also causing an inward acting force is also considered work. Therefore it may be possible to perform two work functions while still conserving energy under the correct conditions. It would be similar to removing a section of the standing wave and having the standing wave rush in to fill the void so long as section removed ceases to exist in it's original form.


Of course this is simply speculation and it raises many questions concerning the nature of energy as it relates to the work performed within a system. Can a loss of energy produce a gain in work just as a gain in energy produces a gain in work?. If it can then there may be the possibility of two work functions.


AC











Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 05:54:39 PM

Thanks Brad, well thought out experiment, I had missed that but see the connection now to the "dynaflux".


I am working on a Bob Teal rep at the moment, having foolishly sent $7 US to the "army", that was funny!


Ron

Indeed Ron lol.

Bob Teals motor operation description .

The Magnipulsion Engine produced large amounts of mechanical energy while running on short pulses of DC current delivered to its electro-magnetic coils. In addition, when the power coils were turned off, the circuitry could also recapture most of this input electricity from the collapsing magnetic fields to be used again.

Now how dose Bedini's SSG work again?  ;D--,which by the way ,was actually designed and patented by Roger Andrews in 1974,and is not Bedini's work at all.

When you spend the time weeding through all the garbage,and doing some research,you begin to see who is on the money,and who is full of crap.

Below is a picture of one of Bob's early motors,and a picture of an !advanced! Bedini pulse motor.

Really makes you wonder some time's how these people get away with this sort of thing.
Seems advanced Bedini is only 44 years behind  :D

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 06:20:07 PM
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I dislike you because you are a wannabe know it all hypocrite, jackass, douchebag, drama queen.  I will continue to voice my opinion that thinking individuals should ignore your abominations, specifically your pride and joys, the two lousy pieces of shit,

Lol,come on Erfinder,you can do better than that.
Your insults are some what like Jim's dynaflux--very low grade.

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and pay closer attention to that which "you" say they should stay away from!  Every pulsed and commutated motor on the planet is a rotary transformer, you ignorant, arrogant, illiterate fucked ass
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Ah,now your true colors are shining through  ;)

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Funny thing is most of what you have you copied and pasted.....and got it wrong...You bash JB but still got his  in your mouth, you can't seem to get away from his circuit....now that's funny...and pathetic,

Whats actually funny and pathetic,is that you think that circuit is JBs lol.-->see previous post of mine.

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so is my language, but I don't care.  You see through the bull shit....please, your're blind in one eye and can't see out the other....you're blind without your meters...What a fucking joke, and call yourself, and expect your groupies to worship you as an authority on someone else's work?!?   "It's not a fucking numbers game, it is for you, and as such you miss everything, and drag all who worship you down the fucking drain....this is a waste of time, you are a waste of time.


My vision is quite fine thanks--good enough to see the actual efficiency of Jim !tha man! Murrays generator,from numbers provided by Jim !tha man! him self.

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Oh and before I forget, for the record bitch (yeah I called you a bitch), I was talking about beat frequencies long before Murray went public, and also demonstrating the same, I don't share such with assclowns.

Oh,so your responsible for Jim !tha man! Murray's poor excuse for a generator.

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Once these things start...nothing gets done, well I get work done.  I love imagining you getting all heated, right now I see you as a chicken in a tinman getup, with its feathers all ruffled and rustled up.....

Lol
You just dont have what it takes to ruffle my feathers Erfinder--your not even close.
In fact,i am actually having a good laugh ATM,reading your reply.
It is clear by your foul language,that you are the one getting all hot and sweaty under the collar,because i cooked you on Jim !tha man! Murray's generator being some sort of fantastic device,when it is nothing more than a heater.

Your having a bad week on this thread Erfinder.

I put an end to your fairy tail about Jim !tha man! Murray's generator being anything special.
Myself and Ron have shown you that Bedini's SSG design ,is not actually his design at all.
And your beat frequency saga being anything special,is really nothing at all,as you have been working with it for years,and still have nothing great to show  :D

To quote your self
Everything that followed where you should have stopped, shows you are clueless as to what's going on

Anyway,you have your self a good day Erfinder.
Oh,and do try to keep the language down,as young children read these forum threads from time to time. It is also against forum rules to use language like that  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 06:32:30 PM

Curious.......I don't recall mentioning gain....I do recall saying that the aforementioned was my ideal inducer (speculation, no....I don't think so).  Thought this thread was about getting around the negative effects associated with Lenz......  Maybe this method leaves one with the impression that I am into strong narcotics.......What in the hell happened to this place.

And that is exactly what we are doing.
Before that can be done,we all must understand places where Lenz can hide.
I showed a good example of that in Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator.
You presented Jims work as being advanced in this area,and i showed that it is in actual fact,way behind in this area. In Jims dynaflux generator,Lenz hides within produced eddy currents,proven using Jims own numbers in his video.

You (like Jim) thought that the load(two bulbs) placed on the generator,placed no load on the prime mover,when in fact,the prime mover was heavily loaded before a load was even pulled from the generator.

These are the tricks people here can learn to watch for,and also shows where !Lenz! can be hiding.

The only reason you think this thread is not on track,is because it is not going the way you want it to go--that being,your way.

But hang in there Erfinder,you might just learn a thing or two,from the guys that build abominations  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 06:39:13 PM

Fuck you and the forum rules  sucker.  I know exactly what I'm doing.....

So dose Jim !tha man! Murray--right?

P/in=556.34 watts
P/out to load=40.09 watts
Efficiency=7.2%
Waste heat energy=516.25 watts

He tha man  ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 06:44:14 PM

Thanks Brad, well thought out experiment, I had missed that but see the connection now to the "dynaflux".


I am working on a Bob Teal rep at the moment, having foolishly sent $7 US to the "army", that was funny!


Ron

Ron
Do you have a schematic for the circuit you are using in your Teal replication.
And which one of his designs are you replicating ?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 03, 2016, 07:08:32 PM

You are an illiterate dip shit....I wasn't talking to you, and no, nothing can nor will be learned from your sorry ass....

Your ignore function is very inefficient Erfinder.
But fits well into your other functions.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 09:36:47 PM
You have to laugh Chris

Those that laughed at you,now use your terms of propagation  :D
Action-reaction-counter reaction--->beat frequency

You will notice once again,that Erfinder avoided the results of Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator  ::).
Guess he didnt think anyone would notice the trickery going on there.

All well and good to call some one elses work an abomination,when the man he thinks is !tha man!,has the worst ever generator in history.

But he cant get out of this one,as the proof is in !tha man's! own video lol.
Maybe people will take a step back now,and see who really is in lala land.


Brad



Hey Brad - There is beauty and simplicity in Logic.


Let em laugh, we know for sure who will have the last laugh. This is, I wont laugh at them as they did to me, I will laugh with them, because, as you know, once understood, its so simple!!! As you are laughing, your work, you see the simplicits there!

As we each climb our own ladder of life, we find that sometimes the distance up is very much further than the distance down: Erfinder has a long way up...

Everyone here could learn SO MUCH from your work if they just listened!

Times are changing!!! We now set our own pace on how we progress, we have come so far in such a short time. No more 400 Page debates, now we just need to get those that want to, up to speed and drop the rest off at the bus stop!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 09:43:04 PM

Your work is and will forever remain an abomination, and you are one to talk, all you do is insult "others" work, hypocrite. I just say what others won't about yours and the resident plagiarist, copy paste junkie.






ErrorMaker - Take the Challange - Brad's Build Off Challange!!!

You can't read......Not no, Hell no....




I have no interest in joining your boy band....HELL NO.  The two of you can work that out on your own.


If youre totally scared you will get your entrails handed to you and made a fool of in front of the world then I understand!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 10:03:56 PM

I dislike you because you are a wannabe know it all hypocrite, jackass, douchebag, drama queen.  I will continue to voice my opinion that thinking individuals should ignore your abominations, specifically your pride and joys, the two lousy pieces of shit, and pay closer attention to that which "you" say they should stay away from!  Every pulsed and commutated motor on the planet is a rotary transformer, you ignorant, arrogant, illiterate fucked ass.  Funny thing is most of what you have you copied and pasted.....and got it wrong...You bash JB but still got his  in your mouth, you can't seem to get away from his circuit....now that's funny...and pathetic, so is my language, but I don't care.  You see through the bull shit....please, your're blind in one eye and can't see out the other....you're blind without your meters...What a fucking joke, and call yourself, and expect your groupies to worship you as an authority on someone else's work?!?   "It's not a fucking numbers game, it is for you, and as such you miss everything, and drag all who worship you down the fucking drain....this is a waste of time, you are a waste of time.  Oh and before I forget, for the record bitch (yeah I called you a bitch), I was talking about beat frequencies long before Murray went public, and also demonstrating the same, I don't share such with assclowns. 


Once these things start...nothing gets done, well I get work done.  I love imagining you getting all heated, right now I see you as a chicken in a tinman getup, with its feathers all ruffled and rustled up.....



Erfinder Potty Mouth!!!



First of all - Brad has done more and shared more than you ever have!!! Brad is a true Gentleman and a Super Hero on the bench!!!


You better be scard!!! Wait till Steffan see's this! We dont have to put up with this from a Clown with a Potty Mouth!!!


Bill, are you seeing this?


Thing is, you describe exactly how we see you!!! You are all that and more!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 10:40:01 PM
And that is exactly what we are doing.
Before that can be done,we all must understand places where Lenz can hide.
I showed a good example of that in Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator.
You presented Jims work as being advanced in this area,and i showed that it is in actual fact,way behind in this area. In Jims dynaflux generator,Lenz hides within produced eddy currents,proven using Jims own numbers in his video.

You (like Jim) thought that the load(two bulbs) placed on the generator,placed no load on the prime mover,when in fact,the prime mover was heavily loaded before a load was even pulled from the generator.

These are the tricks people here can learn to watch for,and also shows where !Lenz! can be hiding.

The only reason you think this thread is not on track,is because it is not going the way you want it to go--that being,your way.

But hang in there Erfinder,you might just learn a thing or two,from the guys that build abominations  ;)


Brad



Brad, correct me if you see it a different way.

Lenz's Law is always valid for Induction between two Coils, one being a Primary and one being a Secondary. This will never change.

Why? Because Flow of Current in the Secondary is a Magnetic Field and the Magnetic Field will always Oppose the Source! Always!

However, in some arrangements the Negatively, Reflected Magnetic effects of Lenz's Law can be reduced, from the Secondary to the Primary!!!

Because Electrical Energy Flowing in a Secondary is a Magnetic Field - Lenz's Law is a Magnetic Field, they are the same thing!!!


In Terms of Constructive/Destructive Interference:

   Primary: Constructive
   Secondary Destructive


Primary itself could be seen as Constructive, a single Wave. The Secondary, a Single wave in conjunction with the Primary, is Destructive, there is Destructive Interference between the Secondary and the Primary.

Of corse this depends on a point of View, and if one decides to look at the Field Qualitys in Time.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 03, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
Erfinder,

I am really surprised at your behavior.  You may recall we have had a couple of conversations on Skype.  I thought you were a gentleman.  Now I see I was very wrong.  It appears you are in the same category as Synchro 1.  When someone shows you that you are mistaken instead of trying to answer from a technical viewpoint you go on the attack with name calling and vulgarity.  Shame on you.  Acting like a 10 year old bully instead of a grownup.  I will no longer waste any time reading anything you post.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 03, 2016, 11:31:41 PM
Erfinder,

I am really surprised at your behavior.  You may recall we have had a couple of conversations on Skype.  I thought you were a gentleman.  Now I see I was very wrong.  It appears you are in the same category as Synchro 1.  When someone shows you that you are mistaken instead of trying to answer from a technical viewpoint you go on the attack with name calling and vulgarity.  Shame on you.  Acting like a 10 year old bully instead of a grownup.  I will no longer waste any time reading anything you post.

Carroll


Hi Carroll,

I am sure Erfinder will see the error in his ways. For a time I too was not very professional in my behaviour management. I am now ashamed when I read back.

Heated debate tends to bring out the worst in people.

I guess, what I am trying to say, is, I hope others forgive any of my behaviours that were inappropriate.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on September 03, 2016, 11:46:18 PM
Oye Vey
Isn't there a football game on  ...?

Yeesh

perhaps a little quiet time Beating the cat or something ??

Tweeze a few nose hairs maybe ?

shooting holes in the boat is never a good idea , we need all the hands we can get around here



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 04, 2016, 12:39:03 AM
Oye Vey
Isn't there a football game on  ...?

Yeesh

perhaps a little quiet time Beating the cat or something ??

Tweeze a few nose hairs maybe ?

shooting holes in the boat is never a good idea , we need all the hands we can get around here



Hey some Yiddish - Nice!!!

גרעעטינגס און באַגריסן צו די שמועס

Yes, sorry for my part, now, lets get serious here, stop the supid, Destructive Interference - Pardon the Pun ;)

This Pun is possibly more important than currently realised because of its many meanings!

We have covered much of this before, many here will already know all about this stuff: Superposition/Noise Cancelation - Several Posts (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg471838/#msg471838).

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 01:22:40 AM
Ron
Do you have a schematic for the circuit you are using in your Teal replication.
And which one of his designs are you replicating ?


Brad




Hi Brad,


At the moment it is all in my head. So the first model is just to test the parameters. As has been pointed out, the material from Energetic, "the final, final, final, secret of free energy" does not say much. Aaron is touting the Scotch Yoke but in this case it suffers from the exact same faults as the crankshaft. Namely the pull in force of a solenoid is all in the final moment of closure. The Scotch Yoke and the crank shaft are at the 12:00 o'clock and 6:00 o'clock position... meaning no transfer of force is possible at that time. To solve this problem he has the timing set to be off !!! thus defeating the maximum force. He admits that his build is "not very powerful"  and didn't even show it running.


So to get a better force transfer I am going with one way clutches, and just two solenoids. Just working on the switching now as I quit for the day.  To show what I mean, in the  graphic below if you pulse the solenoid too soon it will be very weak. One must pulse up on the curve. The right hand side of the graphic is with the plunger out, as it is drawn in it peaks on the left.


Thanks, Ron




Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 04, 2016, 02:17:00 AM



Hi Brad,


At the moment it is all in my head. So the first model is just to test the parameters. As has been pointed out, the material from Energetic, "the final, final, final, secret of free energy" does not say much. Aaron is touting the Scotch Yoke but in this case it suffers from the exact same faults as the crankshaft. Namely the pull in force of a solenoid is all in the final moment of closure. The Scotch Yoke and the crank shaft are at the 12:00 o'clock and 6:00 o'clock position... meaning no transfer of force is possible at that time. To solve this problem he has the timing set to be off !!! thus defeating the maximum force. He admits that his build is "not very powerful"  and didn't even show it running.


So to get a better force transfer I am going with one way clutches, and just two solenoids. Just working on the switching now as I quit for the day.  To show what I mean, in the  graphic below if you pulse the solenoid too soon it will be very weak. One must pulse up on the curve. The right hand side of the graphic is with the plunger out, as it is drawn in it peaks on the left.


Thanks, Ron

One way clutches(sprag clutch) and solenoids sounds familiar  ;)

Here is a little engine design i came up with some years back that uses these very parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQ

I designed it so as maximum force is always placed on the crank shaft,as the cranks big end journal is always at 90* when the solenoid fired,unlike a normal ICE,where the big end journal would be at(close to) TDC when the gases ignited,and all the force would be on the main bearings of the crank.

Oh,and a short video of it running on free energy lol.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wITJVy0rPE


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 04, 2016, 02:42:07 AM
Very nice videos Brad!  Thanks for sharing those.  An interesting way to get rotary motion from a solenoid.

Carroll

PS: Please check you PMs.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 03:06:12 AM
One way clutches(sprag clutch) and solenoids sounds familiar  ;)

Here is a little engine design i came up with some years back that uses these very parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQ)

I designed it so as maximum force is always placed on the crank shaft,as the cranks big end journal is always at 90* when the solenoid fired,unlike a normal ICE,where the big end journal would be at(close to) TDC when the gases ignited,and all the force would be on the main bearings of the crank.

Oh,and a short video of it running on free energy lol.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wITJVy0rPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wITJVy0rPE)


Brad


 Ah, so I don't have to explain that to you, LOL. Nice builds Brad, you do some nice builds.


I am hoping that it will have enough power to run a small generator... low lenz of course  :P


Thanks for sharing!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 04, 2016, 03:28:13 AM

 Ah, so I don't have to explain that to you, LOL. Nice builds Brad, you do some nice builds.


I am hoping that it will have enough power to run a small generator... low lenz of course  :P


Thanks for sharing!


Ron

That is the key-maximum force,with minimum motion-->as far as the prime mover go's.

As you stated,a solenoid only has a short window of opportunity to do mechanical work,and in my case,a crank shafts big end journal  also has only a small window to transfer maximum torque to the crank shaft. If we were able to engineer an ICE in the same way,then we would increase the mechanical output power by 10x,reduce waste heat,and also reduce fuel consumption.

A solenoid motor could be made to be very efficient in this-or other ways.

I have just about finished my caravan project--finishing touches on it today,and i will then be back in full swing on my hobby projects.

I will be continuing my work on the RT,and the latest version-get this(Erfinder will be happy),includes a beat frequency,which is the combination result of the electromagnetic drive pulses,and the generated electromagnetic output wave.

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your build come together.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 04, 2016, 04:01:54 AM
A vid on YT to show Lenz effect of the toroid coil winding using a pulse motor as the rotor driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPz-CLcRUX0&feature=youtu.be

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 04, 2016, 04:19:01 AM
A vid on YT to show Lenz effect of the toroid coil winding using a pulse motor as the rotor driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPz-CLcRUX0&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Hey Mags

While the motor is running,can you move the toroid core away from the rotor,and see what happens,and then bring the core back close to the rotor,and see what happens?.

Cheers

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 04, 2016, 05:21:12 AM
Hey Mags

While the motor is running,can you move the toroid core away from the rotor,and see what happens,and then bring the core back close to the rotor,and see what happens?.

Cheers

Brad

Hey Brad

Will do so when I get back to shop tomorrow.

What do you expect may happen?  The core does cog the rotor so it is initially a drag. So if I pull it away without shorting the coil the rotor goes faster without changing the input.

Like in my last post on this, I was kinda expecting no effect on the rotor, as in the orbo effect. Then I did a test on a fully wound core and the gen effect was virtually nil, so it has to be a short end to end winding length of just a portion of the core to get max gen output. Even the winding in the vid, if it were the same number of turns but shorter from end to end of the winding, there would be more output but a shorter length bump on the scope. Did that in the earlier test.

I also put some small mags in a plastic tube and used a drill to spin the tube in the hole of the core, and there is output there also. It was low rpm and smaller mags, but it did induce the coil. So if we wind a bunch of individual windings on the core, we can induce them with a spinning diametric mag in the hole of the core which should have reduced core cogging and leave only Lenz to deal with. If coils on opposite ends of the toroid core are say in series, each producing opposing output due to opposite poles inducing each, there may be some different effects there as the loaded coils fields will oppose in the core. That is the next test setup.  The core and mag need to be perfectly center and mounted solid, as in the core held solid and the axle of the diametric mag also, to have a cogless operation with the core.

But I will give it a go tomorrow.  ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 04, 2016, 05:25:05 AM
Just a thought that came to me.  I wonder what would happen if a second winding on the opposite side of the core, furthest away from the rotor. Then use that as an output while leaving the front winding shorted.  ???   Simple to try

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 04, 2016, 03:15:30 PM

     You people don't get to choose how I respond.  Regarding your decision to not read anything I  post from now on, I will loose about as much sleep as one who gives two shits,

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You seem to fit well in the category of groupie/cheerleader... 
.

Ah,your true colors shine through once again--attack those that dare question you.You truly belong to the !army!--so many books of secret's that are really books of nothingness.

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Those you speak of would like to think they showed me I was mistaken

I did show you you were mistaken.
Jim !tha man! Murray--is not tha man.
Your biggest problem is,you dont know where to look. Here you think you are going to negate the effects of Lenz-and help others here do so,and yet you were blind as to where it existed in Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator--the work you pushed so hard for everyone to take note of.

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They haven't shown anyone shit that you cannot find yourself, and their assessment of the work of the ones they bash....I am glad they do it, they bar themselves from making any real progress, and drag their groupie/cheerleaders right along with them.

I disagree.
It only took one look at Jim's video on the dynaflux generator,to see that it was nothing more than a bathroom heater-and a noisy one at that. With just over 7% efficiency,even you would have to agree that that generator is a true abomination  :D
So i would count that as positive progress,where we have removed one shocking excuse for a generator that dose not negates the Lenz effect. Now no one will waste there time on building such a piece of junk--junk from the army camp.

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it's not like you were paying attention anyway.

It's a good thing that very few were paying attention to you. Think of all the time that would have been wasted on building Jim's dynaflux generator,and just because you dont understand or know where to look,when it come's to negating the Lenz effect--just as Jim had no idea either.

Would you like to refer us to another wonderful device that the Macrame Army has ?--we could have a good look at any you present,and see if any of the soldiers really do have anything great to offer. My bet is you will not post another thing here again,as you know there are those here that will present the truth about these wonderful Macrame Army machines.

I have read everyone of there books of secrets,and not one actually has any secrets in them. There is lots of bullshit--but no secrets.
Lots of claimed self runners,but not one in existence.

You hate using measuring equipment,and dis those that do.
Much the same as driving a car down the road with your eyes shut--sooner or later,your going to crash--like you did with Jim's dynaflux generator. You refused to look at what the measuring equipment was telling you,and blindly followed the work of a man that dose not even know what his own device is doing.

Perhaps you could get in touch with Arron the rookie,and tell him i challenge him to a simple pulse motor build off-->now that would be a hoot. ;D
But like you,Arron the rookie has much to say,but runs like a scared little mouse when challenged.

I wonder how large the insult list will grow,when others question your work or ethics.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 04:36:48 PM





Erfinder,


I have always had a minor interest in the work of David Squires. Now I see in the blurb for "Advanced Motor Secrets" he uses the term, "energy transformation"


This leads to a couple of questions, are you familiar with his work and two, is he using the term as you would? Perhaps you could expound a wee bit on this please?


Thanks,


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 06:12:03 PM

Mr. Squires is a man I would love to exchange with.  He is the only one other than JLN who has studied the Romag Generator.  I am passionate about that particular machine, and owing to this, yes, I am familiar with the name.


Your second question, it's a possibility that we are saying similar, not being in possession of any of his works, other than the info offered by energetics, and the document found on JLN, it's almost impossible to make a comparison between what he knows, and what I have come to understand.  I would like to think we are on the same page.  There is no clear indication of what's being transformed. 


On a side note, I am investigating how energy is transferred between L and C, both are source in turn, both are sink in turn, but at resonance something else takes place. The impedance = 0 condition opens the system up so as to allow energy to move in both directions simultaneously, assuming the means for exciting such is available.  The prerequisite, resonance must be maintained over a wide band, I call this condition "Infinite Harmonic Resonant Self Oscillation", I mentioned that already......  The key to accomplishing this is understanding what Lenz really is doing in your system and controlling it (Lenz, not running away from it or cutting it out like cancer) through the manipulation of reactive cross section at key instances....sounds complicated but can be broken down into changing the impedance of the circuit, impedance here being a direct reference to CEMF, how, where and when, and which direction it is induced.  Folk don't take me serious, their loss.

More than you asked for, not what you asked for, sorry about that.


Regards


Tantalizing, but a good start, thanks.


Yes, mags toroid experiment reminded me of Dave's famous nearly one and only foray into public disclosure?


But ask the right questions and eventualy I will get the right answers


Ron





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 06:22:27 PM
Hey Brad

Will do so when I get back to shop tomorrow.

What do you expect may happen?  The core does cog the rotor so it is initially a drag. So if I pull it away without shorting the coil the rotor goes faster without changing the input.

Like in my last post on this, I was kinda expecting no effect on the rotor, as in the orbo effect. Then I did a test on a fully wound core and the gen effect was virtually nil, so it has to be a short end to end winding length of just a portion of the core to get max gen output. Even the winding in the vid, if it were the same number of turns but shorter from end to end of the winding, there would be more output but a shorter length bump on the scope. Did that in the earlier test.

I also put some small mags in a plastic tube and used a drill to spin the tube in the hole of the core, and there is output there also. It was low rpm and smaller mags, but it did induce the coil. So if we wind a bunch of individual windings on the core, we can induce them with a spinning diametric mag in the hole of the core which should have reduced core cogging and leave only Lenz to deal with. If coils on opposite ends of the toroid core are say in series, each producing opposing output due to opposite poles inducing each, there may be some different effects there as the loaded coils fields will oppose in the core. That is the next test setup.  The core and mag need to be perfectly center and mounted solid, as in the core held solid and the axle of the diametric mag also, to have a cogless operation with the core.

But I will give it a go tomorrow.  ;)

Mags


Good experiment, and as I posted in my previous post, reminds me of David Squire's work


I was wondering if the full circle toroid, with your experiment as a window, would make a difference?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 08:50:26 PM

 The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer.  Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,


Regards


Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 09:57:57 PM
Erfinder,

I am really surprised at your behavior. 
Carroll


Hi Carroll,


Wasn't that an interesting series of posts? No surprise actually, it is a test. He thinks quite differently than most of us and applies as much weight to what is not said as to what is said. Once you come to understand there is no meanness in his remarks then the test should become more apparent. He tests us for our mental competency ... but more pertinently... our mental stability. He is seeking to see how comfortably we live with our egos ... but then again, most importantly, to see which one is in charge!


Incidentally, has there been any release of Dave B's "invention"? I don't go there any more.


Thanks


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 04, 2016, 10:48:19 PM




Erfinder,


I have always had a minor interest in the work of David Squires. Now I see in the blurb for "Advanced Motor Secrets" he uses the term, "energy transformation"


This leads to a couple of questions, are you familiar with his work and two, is he using the term as you would? Perhaps you could expound a wee bit on this please?


Thanks,


Ron



Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 11:11:40 PM


Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks Chris!!! that is exactly the kind of information I needed, much appreciated.


So you see, I am still looking for that "low lenz" generator, lol


The soap saga starts with Chadwick who runs Bear house, who runs JB, prest wicki, Starling, who self destructed, so the army guy, along with a certain doctor, are just the bottom rungs of the ladder. Eyes open here.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 04, 2016, 11:12:45 PM
The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer. Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,


Regards
Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.


That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

 
Regards.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 11:21:51 PM
Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.

That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

Regards.


Thanks for the info, now if I wasn't so thick and knew what to do with it?


So there is hope yet... good to see the forum functioning again.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 04, 2016, 11:31:40 PM

Thanks Chris!!! that is exactly the kind of information I needed, much appreciated.


So you see, I am still looking for that "low lenz" generator, lol


The soap saga starts with Chadwick who runs Bear house, who runs JB, prest wicki, Starling, who self destructed, so the army guy, along with a certain doctor, are just the bottom rungs of the ladder. Eyes open here.


Ron



Hi Ron - Isnt it sickening how Control and Minipulation have destroyed portions of History and try to destroy the future!!!

Squires did have a Simulated FEMM Concept, I cant blame the guy because he did try! It should have been better investigated before selling info on it.

A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator (http://rexresearch.com/wardforce/wardforce.htm) - Cheap and easy to build, some reuses of materials. I bought the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.XMagnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator.TRS0&_nkw=Magnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator&_sacat=0) from EBay, and used some old Coils I had already, Spin up the Magnet with a Motor and whaaa Laaa a very interesting device.

Although my particular version was not OU, it was a very interesting device.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 11:45:10 PM



A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator (http://rexresearch.com/wardforce/wardforce.htm) - Cheap and easy to build, some reuses of materials. I bought the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.XMagnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator.TRS0&_nkw=Magnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator&_sacat=0) from EBay, and used some old Coils I had already, Spin up the Magnet with a Motor and whaaa Laaa a very interesting device.

Although my particular version was not OU, it was a very interesting device.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks, that is something I had seen before but not investigated... will have another look


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 04, 2016, 11:52:11 PM

Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.

That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

Regards.


Just for general information, but I am strongly reminded of a recent project I did for a well know Alaskan sensitive...some 33 degree coil forms for intersecting coils at the, shall we say block wall. The messy bits at the block wall are just shipping discs. Finished they are plastic and aluminum discs. I believe he has them wound and is impressed with the performance but I haven't heard if they are self powering yet. The coils would intersect as per your graphic.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 12:34:17 AM


Hi Ron -

A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator (http://rexresearch.com/wardforce/wardforce.htm) -
   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Great post Chris, thanks for the heads up... does this answer my questions about Dave's OU generator???


Ron

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Steve,Thanks for everything you have shared with us so far, but honestly, I have read through everything on your site, watched the videos, and I doubt that I could successfully replicate your device.[/size]If you really want people to replicate you need to give us some specifics. What are the part numbers of the things we should get so that we make an exact replication? I'd be on my way to the store in a heartbeat if I thought I could actually find what I need, but right now I doubt I could.If you have the time, it would help if you put together a step by step video. You have showed us parts, but when you say that this piece of plastic goes here, I need to know the dimensions of that piece of plastic if I am to replicate. Also I don't see any kind of wiring schematic. I hope it is not just me who is having this problem or I am REALLY going to feel like an idiot!UPDATE:I sent Steve an e-mail and he was kind enough to respond by calling me. We spoke for quite some time, and now I understand exactly how to build the switch. Thanks Steve, for all the help!! It may take me a couple days to come up with parts, but then I will be replicating this.


erfinder,I looked at the patent you posted and at Thaine's videos, and I would have to agree that all three of these devices are very similar in concept. All three eliminate the movement of the magnet past the coil, so that Lenz is defeated, yet allow for the change in magnetic field to harvest energy from the coil. This is all very interesting. Don't know where it will lead, but there is enough information from these sources that some of us should be building some things and reporting back. I will do a step by step video of my build of Steve's device and post on YouTube. After that, will try and duplicate what we saw in Thane's video.
David Bowling
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 01:17:09 AM

There was no questioning me you stupid piece of shit, my attitude was being addressed, and I responded in kind.  Learn to read dick.



No you dumb fuck, you didn't show me I was mistaken, what you are doing is dragging someone's name through the mud to make yourself look good, and say that my supporting that that individual is wrong.  You see only what you want to see, and like I told you before, you're in a bad position there, as you are blind in one eye and cannot see out the the other.  You have no idea what this is about, but really enjoy thinking you do.  Keep thinking you do.


You can't read nor write (true color that flaming shit bag), and from that position alone, you aren't qualified to point anyone in any direction (that's the difference between you and I fucker, I am making suggestions, voicing an opinion, you are stating facts, facts as you see them, facts which aren't needed when thinking abstractly.  You bitch twins fear thinking without bounds.  A good off the wall exchange cannot take place because you idiots rush in with your anal probes, talk of proper scope insertion techniques, and strict adherence to laws that you claim to get but don't.  If you got the damn laws, you wouldn't be here in the peanut gallery show boating.  Dumb ass.  It seems many like your brand of shit, their business, you know the truth though, you are a catastrophic fail.  Like I said bitch boy,  you have yet to present an anything original, and never will.  Your best has been to demonstrate that you know how to amplify the effect that lenz has on your system, and you praise yourself for this, what a dirty douchebag you are!




I care as much about you disagreeing as you care about me calling you names.  What you see in Jim's work means shit to me.  Let people look for themselves at the work, and not at your piss poor interpretation of the mans work.  It's fascinating how you make this all about Jim.  You really are a piece of shit abomination fabricator.


Only your illiterate ass could state such and maintain a straight face....




I could but we both know it would be a complete waste of time.  Fishing for that challenge...you are a real son of a bitch. 
You have no idea what you are looking for nor at.  It's not wise to agree with anything that anyone has written, including those whose cocks you suck, but you knew that?



I'm loving this, you really think you know, you really are a dumb shit.  The point, my point in not using a measuring technique is simple, read and comprehend dumb ass, what I am after MUST BE self evident, either it does more or it doesnt, period, you don't need a meter to gauge whether it's doing more or not, this isn't about nickeling and diming.  There are hundreds of pages wasted in debate on measuring techniques, I want no parts of that, but you assholes do, and force ALL to play that sick fucking game with you, I'm not playing that game. 



Yeah yeah yeah.....challenge him.  See where that will get you.  You haven't built shit worthy of anyone's attention.  Like I said, you amplify Lenz and think you're doing something special. You are an idiot.


Folk can voice their opinion of me, I don't mind, if they get stupid, I will give them what I give you.  I enjoy our little exchanges.

A delightful post--thanks for sharing  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 01:18:08 AM



Hi Ron - David Squires did not ever show an OU Generator/Motor - The motor sold to everyone on the DVD was nothing more than an expensive heavy Steel Laminate Brick with only average Torque.

The David Squires Motor I showed above, was not OU!!!

The Ward Force Generator is a great learning Tool. All that needs to be done is Spin the Magnet in the middle of the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 02:34:55 AM


Hi Ron -snip

The Ward Force Generator is a great learning Tool. All that needs to be done is Spin the Magnet in the middle of the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


I may have missed this experiment, (not just the mag base one) do you know of any good builds on this?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 05, 2016, 03:05:11 AM
yet... good to see the forum functioning again.


Ron

I have to disagree.

It's like one wants to go into the forest and be close to the nature, and the natural sounds are overpowered by neighboring drunkards celebrating Bacchus and telling silly stories about personal achievements in the field of wine tasting.
Their only goal is to get as many budy-budies as possible into their party and to enhance their status quo.
Ask them one simple question: what do they hope to achieve with that attitude? what is the benefit, what do they gain by being an attacking pack? What do they want?

Regards.

PS For the record FEMM does not deal with the twist of the magnetic field (I checked) simply because that information is not a factor in the software design.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 04:40:41 AM


Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

With all that laminated steel,it would suffer badly from the lenz effect,but hidden within the core it self-the same way the dynaflux generator dose-as we have seen.

Even the copper wire it self will have induced eddy currents-even when the coil is open.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 04:41:34 AM

I may have missed this experiment, (not just the mag base one) do you know of any good builds on this?


Ron



Hi Ron,

Steve's WebSite: http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/

Steve's Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1er-mkQ13ak

Very simple, very cheap and a very effective device to learn from.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 04:59:57 AM
With all that laminated steel,it would suffer badly from the lenz effect,but hidden within the core it self-the same way the dynaflux generator dose-as we have seen.

Even the copper wire it self will have induced eddy currents-even when the coil is open.


Brad



Hey Brad - Yes, as we know, its what one does with Lenz Law Effects... The Motor was supposed to be OU on Torque, thus the Torque Converter, or Dynamic Torque Sensor, on the back end. It wasnt.

While on this, any moving Magnetic Field, everytime we see a Change in the proximity to a Coil, if the Coil has a Load or the likes of, Lenz's Law is invoked. There is no getting around this, its what we do with Lenz's Law is the Key.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 07:22:14 AM


Hey Brad - Yes, as we know, its what one does with Lenz Law Effects... The Motor was supposed to be OU on Torque, thus the Torque Converter, or Dynamic Torque Sensor, on the back end. It wasnt.

While on this, any moving Magnetic Field, everytime we see a Change in the proximity to a Coil, if the Coil has a Load or the likes of, Lenz's Law is invoked. There is no getting around this, its what we do with Lenz's Law is the Key.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
The answer is to create an equal and opposite MMF-being the result of a self induced counter reaction.
When you face two PM like poles together,the resultant field is not twice the field strength of a single magnet alone,but 3x the field strength of 1 of those PMs.

When two coils buck (partnered output coils),the obtained field strength/force equates to 3x the magnetic energy-not just double the field/force from a single coil alone,supplied with the same amount of energy.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 08:09:02 AM
The answer is to create an equal and opposite MMF-being the result of a self induced counter reaction.
When you face two PM like poles together,the resultant field is not twice the field strength of a single magnet alone,but 3x the field strength of 1 of those PMs.

When two coils buck (partnered output coils),the obtained field strength/force equates to 3x the magnetic energy-not just double the field/force from a single coil alone,supplied with the same amount of energy.


Brad



Now I think that’s just beautiful!!! Extraordinary, simplicity, if I didn’t know better, I would say this is magic!

Most certainly it’s not Magic, it's simple, already known Science that has a few minor extensions to well-known Concepts.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 09:24:20 AM


Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Chris
I dont know about how it would perform as a motor,but i think it would make a very powerful generator.

I believe we have a means of a simple version,using two of the same shaded pole motors,and replacing the rotor with a diametrically magnetized magnet.
Perhaps most of the CEMF would remain within the core loop,and each coil would buck the other?.

I think i may have two identical shaded pole motors to carry out the build.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 09:54:22 AM


Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 10:13:22 AM
Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)


Brad



Brad, the center of the device, the Ward Force Generator, is a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator, has a Core, Magnet and also some extrusions that are important. Let me do some pics and post, give me a few hours.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



P.S: The Red is a non Magnetic, Alloy housing. The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator is made from two parts, it has the Magnet on the inside.


.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on September 05, 2016, 10:22:51 AM
Hi Brad, when you cut through the laminates won't that ruin their function? Since they are insulated from each other.
Just asking. artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 11:10:01 AM


Brad, the center of the device, the Ward Force Generator, is a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator, has a Core, Magnet and also some extrusions that are important. Let me do some pics and post, give me a few hours.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



P.S: The Red is a non Magnetic, Alloy housing. The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator is made from two parts, it has the Magnet on the inside.


.

Yes,yes--i know exactly how they work.

I was thinking more along the lines of a generator.
In this case,we basically have a bucking field toroid generator.

Now,suppose when we draw a load from each coil,we use a switched connection from the coil to the load--like a mosfet switch on each. We then have a circuit that enables us to close each mosfet independent from each other,and at what ever frequency we decide on.
What would we produce if say the switching frequency of one coil was 100Hz,and the other was say 130Hz. What happens when we have two magnetic circuits,in the same toroid core,being loaded at different frequencies,when the inducing field has a fixed frequency ?.

So,we will chop one AC wave produced by one coil at 100Hz,and we will chop the other AC wave produced by the other coil at 130Hz-and we get what?.

Core done.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 11:14:06 AM
Hi Brad, when you cut through the laminates won't that ruin their function? Since they are insulated from each other.
Just asking. artv

Hi Shylo

No,as the magnetic field travels around the laminated loops of the core--not cut across it.

If you look at any MOT,you will see that all the laminates are electrically connected,as they are all seem welded together.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 11:15:21 AM
Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)


Brad



Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. The Magnet and Central Stator Area is made from a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator. There is an Air Gap needed shown as the White/Sivler discolouration in the below Images. This is an Alloy Cast, either side of that is solid Magnetic Steel.

Your cuts need to be back some, so as to remove the Round, and just so the ends are just pushed to the ends. See the Red in the Image below. Marked in Red is the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

My Magnetic Base Dial Indicator teardown:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 11:34:49 AM
Yes,yes--i know exactly how they work.

I was thinking more along the lines of a generator.
In this case,we basically have a bucking field toroid generator.

Now,suppose when we draw a load from each coil,we use a switched connection from the coil to the load--like a mosfet switch on each. We then have a circuit that enables us to close each mosfet independent from each other,and at what ever frequency we decide on.
What would we produce if say the switching frequency of one coil was 100Hz,and the other was say 130Hz. What happens when we have two magnetic circuits,in the same toroid core,being loaded at different frequencies,when the inducing field has a fixed frequency ?.

So,we will chop one AC wave produced by one coil at 100Hz,and we will chop the other AC wave produced by the other coil at 130Hz-and we get what?.

Core done.


Brad



Brad, see where youre going. Nice!!!

Youre too fast for me! By the time it took me to get my old MBDI out, and do a tear down you got it all happening!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 11:47:25 AM


Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. The Magnet and Central Stator Area is made from a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator. There is an Air Gap needed shown as the White/Sivler discolouration in the below Images. This is an Alloy Cast, either side of that is solid Magnetic Steel.

Your cuts need to be back some, so as to remove the Round, and just so the ends are just pushed to the ends. See the Red in the Image below. Marked in Red is the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

My Magnetic Base Dial Indicator teardown:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Much the same thing.
I can cut out the areas within the red boxes,other than that,if we have a diametricall magnetized magnet rotating inside the core,we have our dial gauge magnetic base. If you remove the two coils,the core either side of the coils will act just as the dial gauge magnetic base dose.
There is no need for the alloy cast,as that would only add drag ,due to the production of eddy currents.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 11:48:43 AM
Oh look-another winner lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 12:06:30 PM
Much the same thing.
I can cut out the areas within the red boxes,other than that,if we have a diametricall magnetized magnet rotating inside the core,we have our dial gauge magnetic base. If you remove the two coils,the core either side of the coils will act just as the dial gauge magnetic base dose.
There is no need for the alloy cast,as that would only add drag ,due to the production of eddy currents.

Brad



Exactly, run and test, then cut later if needed, thats exactly right. I wanted to be clear for others. I knew you would know all about this.

Go Infinity Go!!! Well done guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAPPMU9E5DY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iehK0Jez4

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 01:44:15 PM
Well thats interesting  :o

Video up soon.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 02:39:33 PM
Ok,well by doing what i did in the video,i would have thought two things would have happened.

The magnet being used is a N52 3/4 x 1" neo.
Power being supplied to the primary coil is of a very small value.
1st,i would have thought by placing this powerful magnet within the core center,would have saturated the core -or near too,and reduced the output on the secondary.
2nd,i would have expected a large biasing offset on the output wave form.
But as you can see in the video,we had the opposite effect in both cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 05, 2016, 02:59:19 PM
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 03:01:06 PM
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.

Oh yea-i should have done that.
I will go and do it now,and post some scope captures for you.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 03:10:44 PM
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.

OK,here are the two scope captures of the vertical/horizontal test.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 05, 2016, 03:28:52 PM
Thanks for the very quick response.  The results are what I was expecting but we never know until we see it firsthand.  Like you said the first results were surprising and not what was expected.  Maybe what is happening is the neo is helping to saturate the core just enough to allow it to be saturated more easily by the signal.  Similar to what they think is happening with the Gunderson device.  With the neo horizontal it is not helping to saturate the core material.  Just some wild off the top of my head ideas.

Thanks again for the quick response and interesting video.
Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 03:35:50 PM
Thanks for the very quick response.  The results are what I was expecting but we never know until we see it firsthand.  Like you said the first results were surprising and not what was expected.   Similar to what they think is happening with the Gunderson device.  With the neo horizontal it is not helping to saturate the core material.  Just some wild off the top of my head ideas.

Thanks again for the quick response and interesting video.
Carroll

Quote
Maybe what is happening is the neo is helping to saturate the core just enough to allow it to be saturated more easily by the signal.


I believe if that was the case,then we would see a huge offset of the output wave, due to biasing the core.
Remember,the PMs field through the core dose not change,but the field produced by the primary coil is alternating--so why no biased offset on the output?.

With every other coil i have tried this with,i get either a reduction in output,or an offset due to biasing on the output wave form.

Might look into this a bit further.

EMJ-any thoughts?--maybe some relationship to the MEG effect ?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 05, 2016, 04:11:58 PM
Just did a P/in P/out efficiency test on this 1/2 hour hacked up transformer/generator to be thingy--with magnet in position.

P/in 3.92V @ 1.2mA=4.7mW
P/out=384mV across 100 ohms= 1.474mW

Efficiency=31.27%

Hey,this thing is a piece of crap,but it is still 23.97% more efficient that Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator  ;D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 05:10:04 PM
Mr. Ward.  This is a sick fucking joke.  I am told I am talking BS science, and you fucks bring this bullshit, a concept that this guy names after himself?  You both are serious, chris, small c, started this shit with "wardforce" so brad gets to sport the I'm with stupid T shirt.  Did either of you check Mr. Wards patent before you dropped to your knees and started publicly kissing his ass?  Probably not.  When he first showed up, I did. 
snip


Touche, but before we get too excited lets all talk about the same thing!


1) Ward force is nonsense


2) the patents of Ward and German are just Ecklin Brown variations


3) the "Coordinate Description" graphic that Chris posted is different. This is what Ward was demonstrating with the mag base and has nothing what so ever to do with the patents.


4) Brad's model is not what Ward was demonstrating.


OK???


Chris, thanks for all the posts


Brad, Very interesting but the two top and bottom haves are still joined where the mag base has a break. Also the magnet is supposed to be rotating and the two coils are both generator coils.


However from your static test it may be that there is a phase difference between the two coils??? wouldn't that give Mr Lenz a shock?


I have to finish my Teal motor first, then I will swing over to the "mag base" generator model.


Ron



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 05:24:46 PM



Guys,


How I think the mag base model works.


With the NS vertical as in the left sketch there is no magnetic field present in the two cores.


As the rotating magnet's heal just clears the top and bottom gaps the full north field is SUDDENLY present on the left core and the south field on the right core. Thus there is a quite dramatic switching of the field from off to on and the turn off is equally sudden.


Thus there is no slow lazy approach and retreat of the magnet to and from the coil. All of a sudden the field is there... all of a sudden it is gone. So the Lenz reaction is shortened up considerably.


My thoughts at the moment... not having built one yet


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 06:51:52 PM
 
This isn't the way to go, but if this is what folks want....I am wasting my time here. 

Regards


Nah, we are here to learn and you are here to teach, go for it


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 05, 2016, 07:26:31 PM
@tinman
Quote
Oh look-another winner lol.[/size]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be)


When I saw the video I thought... I want that. I want that purring away in my basement 24/7 and that is why I am here. That guy in the video is "the Man" and until we have a 10 Kw generator purring away in our basement powering our house we will never be the man.


Personally I like where your going with your video's and sharing real experiments in a clear and precise way helps everyone get moving in the right direction. We need more people doing real experiments and sharing their results in a way everyone can understand in order to get this done. I was moving towards motionless generators but I'm going jump on board in the direction this video and your experiments are moving.


We can do this, let's getter done.


AC



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 09:29:17 PM

I am not here to teach (as if I could)..snip


You are too modest... from all the reports I have heard you are an excellent teacher.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 05, 2016, 09:35:52 PM
Ok,well by doing what i did in the video,i would have thought two things would have happened.

The magnet being used is a N52 3/4 x 1" neo.
Power being supplied to the primary coil is of a very small value.
1st,i would have thought by placing this powerful magnet within the core center,would have saturated the core -or near too,and reduced the output on the secondary.
2nd,i would have expected a large biasing offset on the output wave form.
But as you can see in the video,we had the opposite effect in both cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M)

Brad


Brad, is the phase difference caused by the magnet not being vertical?


This is interesting because when it is running, as a generator, there will be a different path length at the start of the induction every time, and with the coils in series??? LOL


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 10:47:37 PM


I believe if that was the case,then we would see a huge offset of the output wave, due to biasing the core.
Remember,the PMs field through the core dose not change,but the field produced by the primary coil is alternating--so why no biased offset on the output?.

With every other coil i have tried this with,i get either a reduction in output,or an offset due to biasing on the output wave form.

Might look into this a bit further.

EMJ-any thoughts?--maybe some relationship to the MEG effect ?.


Brad



Hey Brad - Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing!

I think the video title does give an accurate description, you have shown that the addition of a Permanent Magnet has increased the output: "Magnetic Power Amplification"

If we look at the Scope shots from one to the other, we do see a change in phase angle, only small, but a change in a direction we would not expect, we would expect the Coupling Coefficient (K) has increased between these two coils, from Primary to Secondary, but that something else may be at play also.

Increase: 6.571
VIn: 56.0mv
VOut: 368.0mv

We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.

So, maybe, as you say there is some localised Saturation due to the Permanent Magnet, which in turn is pushing the Change in Flux (B) of the primary, through to the secondary, inducing 6.571 times more Electromagnetic Induction, or Maybe the Permanent Magnet itself is actually the excess Coupling Coefficient (K), that we see. I think the evidence points toward this, the latter; the Permanent Magnet is adding Energy to the System.

This is just my thoughts and I may be totally wrong.

Shaded Pole Motors run their laminations fairly near to saturation, so Carroll's explanation is something to think about.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 05, 2016, 11:24:37 PM
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 05, 2016, 11:34:32 PM
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.


barbosi - You sound like an Erfinder dressed in drag. Infact you sign off many of your posts in the same way!!!

You could take your Bi-Polar Buddy, and start a B I B S Thread: Believe In Bull S*@%

Please feel free to prove me wrong, I will be more than happy to concede, I am only human.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: We all know what Bibs do, catch and soak up Dribble!!!

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 01:15:49 AM
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be)

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 01:17:51 AM

Brad, is the phase difference caused by the magnet not being vertical?


This is interesting because when it is running, as a generator, there will be a different path length at the start of the induction every time, and with the coils in series??? LOL


Ron

Yes,the phase angle changes when the magnet is turned from the vertical to horizontal position.

Heading off this weekend for a camping trip,so may not get back to it until next week,as i still have a bit of work to do to the van through this week.

But it's looking like we will see some interesting effects take place with this setup.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 01:21:21 AM
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.

Perhaps you mean induced magnetic field interactions ?

Or maybe--just maybe,instead of just being a plane making a flyby,you could actually show us your smart's,and provide all the answers for us?. Why do you need TK if you know it all ?-elementary electricity that is .

Much to say--nothing to show.
You do sound much like the resident dropkick.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 01:27:02 AM



Have a great Camping Trip Brad!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 01:30:23 AM


Hey Brad - Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing!

I think the video title does give an accurate description, you have shown that the addition of a Permanent Magnet has increased the output: "Magnetic Power Amplification"

If we look at the Scope shots from one to the other, we do see a change in phase angle, only small, but a change in a direction we would not expect, we would expect the Coupling Coefficient (K) has increased between these two coils, from Primary to Secondary, but that something else may be at play also.

Increase: 6.571
VIn: 56.0mv
VOut: 368.0mv

We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.

So, maybe, as you say there is some localised Saturation due to the Permanent Magnet, which in turn is pushing the Change in Flux (B) of the primary, through to the secondary, inducing 6.571 times more Electromagnetic Induction, or Maybe the Permanent Magnet itself is actually the excess Coupling Coefficient (K), that we see. I think the evidence points toward this, the latter; the Permanent Magnet is adding Energy to the System.

This is just my thoughts and I may be totally wrong.

Shaded Pole Motors run their laminations fairly near to saturation, so Carroll's explanation is something to think about.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Wonder what would happen if i tank the primary coil?

I might play around with this solid state version for a while,before we look at the mechanical generator version.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 01:48:18 AM
Wonder what would happen if i tank the primary coil?

I might play around with this solid state version for a while,before we look at the mechanical generator version.


Brad



I think thats a sound plan Brad! Investigate as much as possible before making changes.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 01:49:47 AM
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be)

Mags



Nice Vid Mags - Thumbs up from me.

Another Coil could be implimented to do that the PM's are doing...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 03:04:28 AM



Humour:

Brad, a wonderfull invention, not just for Camping: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/152200368906

This is what Erfinder, and his Bi-Polar Buddy, Barbosi, uses!!!

Not quite the RT, or Partnered Outout Coils, but just about as good!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 04:23:07 AM
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 07:00:26 AM
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be)

Mags

Great video Mags.
Were you just measuring voltage across the coil,or did you have a load across it as well ?.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 07:11:17 AM
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Well if there was any of the EE guys in this thread,you would get arguments from them i would think,as the magnetic field produced by the coil that is rapped around the toroid,is suppose  to be containd within the toroid core--but your timing is saying the opposite is happening.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 07:15:11 AM
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Mags

One more thing
Your magnets are cylinder/disc type magnets,so how is the magnetic field orientated with those magnets?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 07:37:06 AM
Great video Mags.
Were you just measuring voltage across the coil,or did you have a load across it as well ?.

Yeah, just voltage output of the coil, no load test yet.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 07:44:48 AM
Well if there was any of the EE guys in this thread,you would get arguments from them i would think,as the magnetic field produced by the coil that is rapped around the toroid,is suppose  to be containd within the toroid core--but your timing is saying the opposite is happening.

Brad

Its possible the core gets saturated and the field is no longer in the core, but it also works the same at lower inputs like 4v and 3v. It may be the rotor mags are a 3rd ingredient to interact with the fields in the core. The orbo cores are vertical and wound all the way from end to end, so this effect would be neutral in that case, and the rotor mag fields of the orbo dont cut the toroid windings, they go with the direction of the windings as I had shown the other day.

I am just surprised I am getting induction and motoring at all, since like you say above. ;)

But at least we have some new things to know. ;D

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 07:55:13 AM
Mags

One more thing
Your magnets are cylinder/disc type magnets,so how is the magnetic field orientated with those magnets?


Brad

They are N52 diametric mags on the rotor. 1/2in dia 5/8 long. I have 1/2in 1/8 diametrics that fit the rotor also from back in the Whipmag days.


Will have to see if the core is being over saturated and the rotor mag is attracted that way, or if it is just the rotor mag interaction with the core that enables the mag to interact with the core field. to eliminate the saturation possibility, Ill see if the core picks up iron powder when different power levels are applied.

The initial torque is lower than what we might expect compared to once it gets going.

I have to make a new stand for the core to try some secondary windings on the core furthest away from the rotor. It may be something similar to your rotary transformer idea. Dont know till we try.
Fun stuff though. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 06, 2016, 04:05:22 PM

barbosi - You sound like an Erfinder dressed in drag. Infact you sign off many of your posts in the same way!!!

You could take your Bi-Polar Buddy, and start a B I B S Thread: Believe In Bull S*@%

Please feel free to prove me wrong, I will be more than happy to concede, I am only human.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: We all know what Bibs do, catch and soak up Dribble!!!

I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:


Humour:

Brad, a wonderfull invention, not just for Camping: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/152200368906

This is what Erfinder, and his Bi-Polar Buddy, Barbosi, uses!!!

Not quite the RT, or Partnered Outout Coils, but just about as good!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 06, 2016, 04:44:34 PM
@barbosi

Quote
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

If you are referring to the shading coils they were removed and if you were referring to the magnetic material surrounding the inner core then no obviously the signal would not be lost because it is a function of reluctance. The field follows the path of least resistance ie. most magnetic material which in this case is through both coils. So no it is not a no brainer and you are mistaken.

Quote
With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

No again you are mistaken and the jnaudin apparatus is completely different from the one by tinman in question. First jnaudin's apparatus is open path, second it has a moving rotor, third it has no permanent magnets, fourth it has no alternate closed paths. Your making a very poor attempt at comparing apples and oranges and give no explanation as to why.

Quote
Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

How can you consider questioning why a given phenomena occurs pseudo science when it is in fact the basis of science?.  Why does the magnet increase field coupling between the coils when it should saturate the core decreasing the coupling?. It is an honest question which apparently you do not understand which I find quite interesting. In fact unlike anything you have said this experiment has given me many more idea's for other experiments I would like to try concerning different configurations.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 04:44:47 PM
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

 http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?

Well,it is clear that you (like your mate Erfinder),are once again,on the wrong track.

Now,instead of posting that rubbish you just did,how about you find a demonstration that shows the P/in as well. Once you have done that,then we will see if what you posted has anything to what i am showing.

Quote
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis:

Again you are mixed up. It was not me that mentioned phase shift,it was EMJ.
I only spoke of the fact that there was no field bias shown on the secondary.
So once again,you now have to supply scope shot's to go along with the video's you posted,that shows no bias on the output side of the circuit. You might also try and find a similar experiment,instead of one with multiple bifilar wound transformers.

If you have something to say,at least get it right.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 06, 2016, 04:55:28 PM
snip

Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?


Just the chickens coming home to roost. You started it. If you are going to hand it out you have to be able to take it.

Why was it so funny? (it was hilarious!!!) well after page after page of you calling down various members of the group in the foulest manner possible, one of them turns the table and in extreme innuendo calls (implies) you are a Kunt  .... beautiful Chris! impeccable humour.

ROTFLMAO

Regards,

Ron


PS: Your rebuttal links, that part of your post, are excellent. If you can understand why then then the list is on it's way to healing.

PPS: hey it self censors that word... I had to misspell it to get it to save
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 05:04:42 PM

You wanna get fucked....keep this shit up, and I will have no problem going  P-orno on you and invite your family in to participate.  I was preparing to get really stupid with you, really get under your skin, really offend you, through your family, but decided against it.  Try me chris....go this route again, and you and I will be like pigs in shit in here, and not just here.


Keep it on the level of umpa lumpa and bs science....you'll sleep better.

Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 06, 2016, 05:14:40 PM

Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....

Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 06, 2016, 05:39:27 PM

Now,instead of posting that rubbish you just did,how about you find a demonstration that shows the P/in as well. Once you have done that,then we will see if what you posted has anything to what i am showing.
snip
Brad
"
Brad, I am not sure why you did the experiment as you did either. It is "Ward's Magnetic Switch" (I know, invented long ago) and it was in this context as a generator that Chris posted it... I thought. Just how efficient it will be is something we need to base the experiment on, because it just might not be that efficient? After all it looked like he was driving it with a one or two horse motor?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 06, 2016, 06:25:03 PM
Allcanadian,

I am a bit surprised by your response but I guess just in a few words my suggestion was too veiled, so I'll try slower.

So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

For the others I'm sorry, I waste enough time to read your posts.

Respectfully
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.



Are those round parts in the core opening iron?  If they are, then I have to agree with the shunting. So the magnet probably saturates them enough to let the wave pass.

And like you said in the latest post about Teslas phase shift transformer, I wonder if the input were stepped up, would there be more of an equal output voltage? like would there be very little to none if the input was lower? Like the Gabriel device, if I remember correctly, the input did not show on the secondary till the input reached a certain level. I think Teslas pat says similary that.

And about Tesla later not using cores at all, Id have to say that he still used them in motors and generators.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 06, 2016, 07:07:00 PM
One thing I have to say on Brads vid with the magnet in place, he had a load on the sec and the voltage on that load was near as much as the input. Now if the windings are identical, even without the load, the sec voltage should be only equal or less than the input voltage. If he takes off the load, is the sec voltage higher than the primary input? If so, with a 1 to 1 ratio, and sine wave in, no pulsing, how is that?  Id say the 100ohm resistor probably drags down the sec voltage more than the tiny bit it is below the input voltage in the scope shot.  If it is higher than the primary, then we need to find out how that comes about for a 1 to 1 ratio transformer.  ??? ;) Heck, Id like to see the sec voltage without the load and without the magnet. ;) All to compare.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 06, 2016, 08:42:50 PM
@barbosi
Quote
So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

Tesla did not denounce iron and in many applications said it was much more practical. Tesla's research with high voltage, high frequency currents required very fast rise/fall times which were dampened by iron cores and also introduced losses. Tesla moved towards air core coils because they were much more efficient at higher frequencies. Then he reached the next hurdle which was that the current induced in an air coil produced a magnetic field which also limited or dampened the rise/fall times and maximum operating frequency. At this point he invented his "extra coils" which were not dampened by the induced current/magnetic field and free to oscillate at their own natural resonant frequency producing the desired effects he was searching for.
There is much more to it than this short explanation however there is no need to go there here.

Of course this is off topic and we are not debating HV/HF phenomena which has it's own set of difficulties. We are considering electro-magnetic devices which may operate at low frequency and low voltage which are much easier to build and experiment with. Concerning jnaudins experiment and Tesla patent 524426, it should be obvious to anyone skilled in the art how they work.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 10:12:11 PM
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.




Yep, our resident moron is all threats and too fat to get out of his arm chair. A school yard bully that never went to school!

Wait till Stefan see this!!! Bill are you seeng this?

Whats the technical difference between: Magneto-motive Force (F) = Turns(N) x Current(I) and Electromotive Force (E.M.F) = -NdPhi/dt (The change in Flux(Phi) through Turns(N) over the course of Time (t))?

Science seems to have some sort of inconsistency here that is never bought up. No one has ever mentioned it, as far as I know.

Quote

EMF:
Electromotive force, also called emf (denoted and measured in volts), is the voltage developed by any source of electrical energy such as a battery or dynamo. It is generally defined as the electrical potential for a source in a circuit.


MMF:
Similar to the way that electromotive force (EMF) drives a current of electrical charge in electrical circuits, magnetomotive force (MMF) 'drives' magnetic flux through magnetic circuits. The term 'magnetomotive force', though, is a misnomer since it is not a force nor is anything moving.



Voltage:
Voltage, electric potential difference, electric pressure or electric tension (formally denoted ∆V or ∆U, but more often simply as V or U, for instance in the context of Ohm's or Kirchhoff's laws) is the difference in electric potential energy between two points per unit electric charge.


Current:
An electric current is a flow of electric charge. In electric circuits this charge is often carried by moving electrons in a wire. It can also be carried by ions in an electrolyte, or by both ions and electrons such as in a plasma.



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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 06, 2016, 10:26:31 PM
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor

These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.

At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.

1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)

There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…

We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.

The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.

Allcanadian, keep thinking about that answer if you really want a progress.
The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?

Regards (shit, I did it again but I don't care about judgment of shills).
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:06:18 PM
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?



barbosi I mean Erfondler, I mean you are one and the same....

Whatever you wish to believe in... I have no problem that you choose to stay where you are.

Still waiting for you to prove me wrong!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:11:30 PM

Just the chickens coming home to roost. You started it. If you are going to hand it out you have to be able to take it.

Why was it so funny? (it was hilarious!!!) well after page after page of you calling down various members of the group in the foulest manner possible, one of them turns the table and in extreme innuendo calls (implies) you are a Kunt  .... beautiful Chris! impeccable humour.

ROTFLMAO

Regards,

Ron


PS: Your rebuttal links, that part of your post, are excellent. If you can understand why then then the list is on it's way to healing.

PPS: hey it self censors that word... I had to misspell it to get it to save



Thanks Ron - I am a happy man that my Humour was appreciated ;)

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:13:50 PM
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.



This is classically funny BTW!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:15:05 PM

Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....




Erfinder - You are acting like a total Douche Bag!!! Grow up you looser!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:18:55 PM
Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad




Oh Yeah, here it is:


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:23:51 PM
Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad




Anyone guess who this is:

I dont know who the pretty little one is next to them, however!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:32:54 PM
Allcanadian,

I am a bit surprised by your response but I guess just in a few words my suggestion was too veiled, so I'll try slower.

So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

For the others I'm sorry, I waste enough time to read your posts.

Respectfully



WOW - You have to be kidding dont you!!!!

As if the Great Nikola Tesla had Ferrite's and other super fast, high mu, materials, with solid state switching... This was Nikola Tesla's Dream!!! Read the damn litrature!!!

Youre very clearly speaking from a Hole very near your Sphincter!!!

You total Clown!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 06, 2016, 11:39:35 PM

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your build come together.

Brad


OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo (https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo)

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 06, 2016, 11:41:49 PM
Are those round parts in the core opening iron?  If they are, then I have to agree with the shunting. So the magnet probably saturates them enough to let the wave pass.

And like you said in the latest post about Teslas phase shift transformer, I wonder if the input were stepped up, would there be more of an equal output voltage? like would there be very little to none if the input was lower? Like the Gabriel device, if I remember correctly, the input did not show on the secondary till the input reached a certain level. I think Teslas pat says similary that.

And about Tesla later not using cores at all, Id have to say that he still used them in motors and generators.

Mags



BINGO - Some are so lost that they just dont know where their feet are relative to their Brain!!!

Tesla built an Electric World and his Inventions are everywhere today, Core material has a Use, it is important in Transformers and many other devices.

To make a claim that Tesla denounced Iron in his work is total Lies!!!

Try build a 10KVA 50Hz Transformer with an Air Core - What sort of Idiot would suggest such a thing!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 07, 2016, 12:39:02 AM
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor

These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.

At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.

1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)

There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…

We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.

The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.

Allcanadian, keep thinking about that answer if you really want a progress.
The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?

Regards (shit, I did it again but I don't care about judgment of shills).

You have lost your lollies.
Please post just one instance where Tesla used air core coils for a motor or generator-as that is what we are doing here.

Air core coils are great-if you want to transmit EM radiation all over the place-->energy lost from the system by the way. But if you want to retain as much as that energy within the system(as we do),then you use iron or ferrite cores.

Air core coils are a waste of energy,when dealing with low frequency devices such as we are here.

Your diversional tactics are very transparent,so quit while your behind.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 07, 2016, 12:43:21 AM

OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo (https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo)

Holy cow Ron,that is one sweet build  ;)

Is the next step to drive a generator from the output shaft-such as Teal did ?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 07, 2016, 12:45:03 AM



Oh Yeah, here it is:


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Errrr :-[ ,Sorry man--to much woman for me to handle lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 07, 2016, 12:54:13 AM
"
Brad, I am not sure why you did the experiment as you did either. It is "Ward's Magnetic Switch" (I know, invented long ago) and it was in this context as a generator that Chris posted it... I thought. Just how efficient it will be is something we need to base the experiment on, because it just might not be that efficient? After all it looked like he was driving it with a one or two horse motor?


Ron

Hi Ron

Yes,we are getting to the generator part of it.
This was just a little experiment i decided to try on the way to the generator part of the project.

I have tanked the primary coil,and now ,at a frequency of 355Hz,i can get the input current to go down from 1.25mA to 600odd uA when i place the magnet into the core,while maintaining the same voltage across the primary coil--while at the same time,get an increase of 3x+ on the output coil.

As pointed out in another post,there is still two small shunts in place in the core,and i will be cutting those out tonight,to see if that makes any difference to what we are seeing.

The field may just be circulating around the primary coil via these shunt's when the magnet is not in place,and negating the shunts when the magnet is in place--we shall see.

I do not get much time in the workshop after i get home from my daily job,so i cant get things done as quickly as i would like--but we will get there.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 07, 2016, 01:10:32 AM
Holy cow Ron,that is one sweet build  ;)

Is the next step to drive a generator from the output shaft-such as Teal did ?.


Brad


Thanks mate!


Yep, tiz why I am on a "Lenz free generator" site, lol


I was really interested in Turion's 120 watts in and 800 watts out... but when I jestingly suggested it was a another Romero it was like standing to close to a hornets nest after poking a sting in it!  LOL


Mind you I was looking for a low lenz generator to go with my Phil Wood's patented motor then. The Teal is really strong but probably uses way more juice. Win some lose some.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 01:41:12 AM

OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo (https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo)



WOW Nice Build Ron!!!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 01:50:55 AM
Errrr :-[ ,Sorry man--to much woman for me to handle lol.


Brad



What do you mean? The boys at the Murakami Army Conference just couldnt keep their hands off me...

Hahahaha ;)

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 01:59:46 AM



If anyone can suggest a better solution to the phase shift in Brad's experiment, I would be very interested to hear it:




We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.




I think we need to get more technical to explain some of the things we are seeing! Anyone disagree? Or have a better solution? Like I said, this is significant, we need to start looking at these things and understand how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage.

Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!! (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg491270/#msg491270)

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2016, 03:26:58 AM


If anyone can suggest a better solution to the phase shift in Brad's experiment, I would be very interested to hear it:



I think we need to get more technical to explain some of the things we are seeing! Anyone disagree? Or have a better solution? Like I said, this is significant, we need to start looking at these things and understand how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage.

Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!! (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg491270/#msg491270)

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I know why Tesla wanted the phase shift. But does it give us an advantage toward our goals?  Not being cocky.  I just dont know of the advantages of having it.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 03:37:14 AM
I know why Tesla wanted the phase shift. But does it give us an advantage toward our goals?  Not being cocky.  I just dont know of the advantages of having it.

Mags



Mags - Excellent! Not Cocky at all!

A Counter Balanced Weight, see image below, or put better, maximum MMF is Reflected on a Primary Coil, by the Secondary, when there is a 180 Degree Phase Shift. To Counter this 180 Degree Phase Shift means our Input is minimised. We need to keep this going and thus a small amount of Input will be needed. We also want to maximise our Output, so a Counter MMF is needed.

For a Small Force at the Pivot Point (Our Input) allows a Large Force on the Load (Our Output) and the Counter Weight (Counter-Reaction) is the self Induced Force, equal and opposite to the Load (Our Output) - I hope this makes sense?

This is Newton's Law's of Motion, with one added: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2016, 03:45:21 AM



Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!! (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg491270/#msg491270)

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Ok. With that in mind......

Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?

Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2016, 04:06:20 AM


Mags - Excellent! Not Cocky at all!

A Counter Balanced Weight, see image below, or put better, maximum MMF is Reflected on a Primary Coil, by the Secondary, when there is a 180 Degree Phase Shift. To Counter this 180 Degree Phase Shift means our Input is minimised. We need to keep this going and thus a small amount of Input will be needed. We also want to maximise our Output, so a Counter MMF is needed.

For a Small Force at the Pivot Point (Our Input) allows a Large Force on the Load (Our Output) and the Counter Weight (Counter-Reaction) is the self Induced Force, equal and opposite to the Load (Our Output) - I hope this makes sense?

This is Newton's Law's of Motion, with one added: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction

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I can understand that the input is minimized. But referring to my last post, say the boost circuit is setup so the pulse into the primary induces the secondary during the pulse, there would be an increased input in doing so vs the secondary only being induced by the field collapse after the primary is turned off, depending on the polarity of the output rectifier/output setup.

So Im not seeing the advantage, yet. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 04:12:06 AM
Ok. With that in mind......

Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?

Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?

Mags



Electromagnetic Induction is the Pumping of Electrical Energy, Energy over Time, or Watt Seconds. Lenz's Law is the direction of this Energy, equal and opposite.

This is Mass Energy Equivalence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence), where the Mass, Copper in our case, is the Source of Energy / C2 (The Speed of Light Squared)

Mass = Energy / The Speed of Light2

Electromagnetic Induction, the Direction of it, Lenz's Law, is always ±180 Degrees out of Phase.

By incorporating into Systems, phenomena where Electromagnetic Induction is invoked many times more than once, is of benefit. Each Energy Source, the Mass being Pumped, can be utilised in its own right.

There are many ways, but each source of Induction must be incorporated to assist the other in a sequence the same as mentioned.

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 04:46:07 AM



I think I see where the confusion is coming from. For a moment, think basic AC Transformer, Input is Output less losses. Lenz's Law applies. Efficiency is 90+ %... Also, one needs to think of Energy Output, not Energy Input. These are opposite so if you think Input, reverse the idea and then its Output.

The Primary Invokes Induction in the Secondary. The MMF, Magnetising Force at a single point in time is equal to the MMF, Magnetising Force of the Secondary, Reflected back on Primary, this being a Destructive Interference, ±180 Degrees out of Phase Magnetically, but Constructive Interference Wave Electrically.

Thus the Input Current must Increase to keep over coming this reflective MMF. This is the BH Curve.

See the below Image:

We need to make geometrically, or systematically, via Switching, changes, to allow this 1:1 less losses, Energy exchange, more efficient.

Imagine for a minute a 5KG weight, we need to lift it 1 Foot. What’s the most efficient way to do this?

Counter Balance this Weight!!! See Below Image:

If we have two Magnetic Fields, the Force of Each Counter balancing each other in the same way, we will see one Field assist our Input and one oppose our Input.

Permanent Magnets are of benefit to these systems because of this Counter Balancing.

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 07, 2016, 05:00:16 AM





OK, getting back to the mag base switcher, ready?  it is happening over on another forum


Quote
Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.[/size]I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.Back in several hours,Butch[quote/]


edit...up to page 5  and I see you are already there EM, LOL


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 05:17:19 AM




OK, getting back to the mag base switcher, ready?  it is happening over on another forum


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Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.[/size]I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.Back in several hours,Butch[quote/]

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Hi Ron - Videos/Channel removed?

This the same by the looks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0FA6JJ0BQ

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2016, 06:55:36 AM
Ok. With that in mind......

Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?

Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?

Mags

To take it a step further...

Let say we have a 1 to 1 ratio transformer. If we apply current to the primary with the secondary open, the inductance will be high, so the input will be low. No Lenz.

If we put a load on the secondary, as it gets induced by the primary, the input to the primary increases. We have Lenz.

So there is a clear reason why the input is lower without the load on the secondary.

Now say we get the transformer to be one that is 180deg out of phase on the secondary. Why would we think that the sec output could be more than the input, because the input is not being affected by the current of the secondary?  If the primary input is lesser because the sec does not affect it, why would we think that the secondary would have more out than what went in? In comparison, running the transformer at its normal AC sine ratings, the input while the sec is loaded is more, but so is the sec output, as compared to being 180deg out of phase pri AND sec. Like the boost converter I described earlier, the input is greater than the output, even if the input is first stored in the transformer, and then dumped to the output. So why might we expect the sec of a 180deg capable transformer to be anything greater than the input??

Im not seeing it.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 08:02:13 AM

Hi Mags:



To take it a step further...

Let say we have a 1 to 1 ratio transformer. If we apply current to the primary with the secondary open, the inductance will be high, so the input will be low. No Lenz.

If we put a load on the secondary, as it gets induced by the primary, the input to the primary increases. We have Lenz.

So there is a clear reason why the input is lower without the load on the secondary.



To here, I completely agree. You are right as far as I understand your post.




Now say we get the transformer to be one that is 180deg out of phase on the secondary.




Electromagnetic Induction from Primary to Secondary is always ±180 Degrees out of Phase - We dont need to do anything to make this happen.



Why would we think that the sec output could be more than the input, because the input is not being affected by the current of the secondary? 




Yes, this is right, at this point there is 1:1, less losses, transformation of Electric Energy. You get out, what you put In, Less Losses.



If the primary input is lesser because the sec does not affect it, why would we think that the secondary would have more out than what went in?




With a Single Primary Coil and a Single Secondary Coil, there can be no gain!



In comparison, running the transformer at its normal AC sine ratings, the input while the sec is loaded is more, but so is the sec output, as compared to being 180deg out of phase pri AND sec.




Again, Primary and Secondary are always ±180 Degrees out of Phase. This is Electromagnetic Induction and Lenz's Law is the Direction of the Induced EMF.



Like the boost converter I described earlier, the input is greater than the output, even if the input is first stored in the transformer, and then dumped to the output.




Between a Primary Coil and a Secondary Coil, Electromagnetic Induction occurs once!

At this point we give up and cop a loss, mostly small, %10 or there about’s, 1% on the really big Sub Station Transformers.

If we look at a Generator, there is Induction occurring many times all at once all adding to the Total output. All in Phase and all Inducing a Current in the same direction. See: Electrical Energy 101 - Faradays Law of Induction - Part 1 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y7HKsDfY68)

You can see, there is a U Shape winding, three windings in total, in a Step Winding configuration. It is amazing to see, its very true, but any Conductor/Coil that sees a Change in Magnetic Flux is going to have an EMF in it.

Why limit ourselves to once like in a Transformer?




So why might we expect the sec of a 180deg capable transformer to be anything greater than the input??

Im not seeing it.

Mags



All things take time. There is a Curve and this curve is dependent on the determination and understandings acquired.

I really believe, strongly, that the first place to start when learning about Electrical Energy, is how we already do it!!! There is no point re-inventing the wheel when there is a wheel already invented!!! Take your Motor/Generator, how does the EMF in the little Toroid get there?


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 07, 2016, 08:31:52 AM
Then what is it in phase shift we are looking for? 90deg?   ?  And what for?

Like Tesla needed it to operate a motor he designed. I guess so that the motor could run on single phase where available.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 08:56:56 AM
Then what is it in phase shift we are looking for? 90deg?   ?  And what for?

Like Tesla needed it to operate a motor he designed. I guess so that the motor could run on single phase where available.

Mags


Mags - I was always told when doing my Apprenticeship: "You must ask the right Question"

That is the right Question!

   Primary: Reactive Input - Voltage to Current as close to or more than 90 Degrees Phase Shift.

   Secondary: 180 Degrees to the Input, this will be Real Power, Voltage to Current is Zero Degrees Phase Shift as long as the Load is Resistive.

   Tertiary: In Phase, Zero Degrees to the Input, or very close to Zero. This will also be Real Power! This drives the Input, it is our Counter Balance we talked about above. This Coil makes the Input Reactive, the more Load on this Coil and thus the Secondary, the more Reactive the Input becomes.

Of course these are within some tolerance! Some Angles of Degrees may vary some, 5 or 10 degrees and all Systems are a bit different. So when I say: Zero, or ±180 Degrees, this is just a "Close To" Figure.

All this, is: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction Newton's Laws of Motion and we have added the Counter-Reaction part.

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 11:15:11 AM




To give some more insight, and Brad may wish to add or interject if he sees this a bit different, but if we look at a standard Transformer and add an adjustable load...

Slowly increase the Load, or decrease the Load Resistance, and measure the Input Voltage and Current.

What you will see is a slow change in the Voltage to Current Phase Angle. This Angle will start off at maybe 75 Degrees or more 85 Degrees...

As you slowly increase the Load this will close, 70, 65, 55, 50, 45, 40, 35, 30, 25, 20.... Until the core becomes saturated and or Electrical Break Down occurs.

So, what does this mean, what are we seeing? Yes, the total Inductance is being reduced by means of Magnetic Field in the region of the Coil. As the Inductance is lost, the Coil becomes more and more like a Resistor. Current keeps going up and up, as the Reactive part of the Impedance (Z), is lost.

Now, the point, we see a Reactive Power component on the Input at 90 Degrees, this is where the Input Coil sees no real Load, the Load is entirely Counter Balanced if you like. For example: 1 + -1 = 0

Or as above:  5Kg + -5Kg = 0Kg

So the Input does not have too much or any real work because there is a Counter Balancing of Total overall Forces.


I hope this helps some! All experiments are very easily verifiable and provable on the bench!

Today, we see a very detailed description of how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage!

We even had an example!!!

COP: 4.249 thanks to Partzman's excellent work!!!


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 07, 2016, 05:00:08 PM





Hi Ron - Videos/Channel removed?

This the same by the looks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0FA6JJ0BQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0FA6JJ0BQ)

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Sorry, I got the cart before the horse there, I had sarted near the beginning and thought it would lead up to the present.


Surprise for me... the whole thing ended in 2010


Which leaves a mystery... did it work??? why did it end???


http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/195/#.V9Ap3csrJpQ


But it was the mag base concept for sure


Ron







Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 07, 2016, 11:55:31 PM



Sorry, I got the cart before the horse there, I had sarted near the beginning and thought it would lead up to the present.


Surprise for me... the whole thing ended in 2010


Which leaves a mystery... did it work??? why did it end???


http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/195/#.V9Ap3csrJpQ


But it was the mag base concept for sure


Ron



Hi Ron,

Most all people don’t have a lot of time, most don’t have a lot of patience, most are easily worn down by small things...

Everyone has their own path, we see much interest at the beginning of the thread, then it runs down and we see that it appears as if we are wasting our time. Even though a thread may have a lot of reads, we see no real progress as we don’t see what others are doing.

A lot of people keep their work secret.

A lot want to take others work and profit from it. Or take the credit for others work.

This, subjects of interest, come and go like the seasons, Change must come slowly and steadily.

But there must be stamina and patience, for things are easily lost without these quality’s!!!

   Chris Sykes
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on September 08, 2016, 12:35:05 AM
When I'm using a solid steel rotor for my pm's it changes the effects I get when using separated pieces of steel as the rotor, Not talking about out-put , how the fields mix together.
Electrical flow is nothing , It's how the fields work together, Electricity is just a by-product.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 08, 2016, 01:00:50 AM
When I'm using a solid steel rotor for my pm's it changes the effects I get when using separated pieces of steel as the rotor, Not talking about out-put , how the fields mix together.
Electrical flow is nothing , It's how the fields work together, Electricity is just a by-product.
artv



Hey ArtV,

This is exactly right, Magnetic Field Interactions (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvUiQ3IMHMU) are important to see and understand.

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 08, 2016, 01:48:28 AM


Hi Ron,

Most all people don’t have a lot of time, most don’t have a lot of patience, most are easily worn down by small things...

Everyone has their own path, we see much interest at the beginning of the thread, then it runs down and we see that it appears as if we are wasting our time. Even though a thread may have a lot of reads, we see no real progress as we don’t see what others are doing.

A lot of people keep their work secret.

A lot want to take others work and profit from it. Or take the credit for others work.

This, subjects of interest, come and go like the seasons, Change must come slowly and steadily.

But there must be stamina and patience, for things are easily lost without these quality’s!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


You are describing the real world there... unfortunately, lol


Anyway that picture of the cast iron mag base model threw me ... I assumed this was what they were building and talking about but in reality Butch's device seems to be some some strange double rotor thing with the coils in the middle... yet they talk about no gap needed and cogging in the gap, so I get confused. I will stick with the one you posted, I can visualize that and understand how it might work.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 08, 2016, 02:18:14 AM

You are describing the real world there... unfortunately, lol


Anyway that picture of the cast iron mag base model threw me ... I assumed this was what they were building and talking about but in reality Butch's device seems to be some some strange double rotor thing with the coils in the middle... yet they talk about no gap needed and cogging in the gap, so I get confused. I will stick with the one you posted, I can visualize that and understand how it might work.


Ron



Hi Ron - Yes good idea. The Wardforce Generator is a very good learning tool. I was never able to get more out than in, but I saw some amazing effects in this device that helped me!

   Chris Sykes
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 08, 2016, 05:33:32 AM
I guess the point Im trying to make is, in my experience, so far, Lenz or no lenz, the inputs and the outputs should be similar as in the In is always more than the Out.

I have been thinking more about the multi core inductors that I had worked with some time back. Some new thoughts on things comes along with time past. No matter what your education level, in the real world, we run into things that are just not taught nor given experiences in. So many times I have run into new things and had seen(in my mind) possible potentials to them, more before I experience the thing.  Like BiFi windings. We were not taught of the capacitance of the windings and how the windings interact capacitively at much greater voltage difference between the 2 separate wires next to each other. The only thing I remember on having 2 wires wound together as such was used in a relay winding, where the higher current winding had the field strong enough to pull the relay closed, and then you switch power to the low current winding to hold the relay switch closed to save/reduce power input if the relay was going to be in the closed position a long time.

Ive done many tests so far on bifi. Some are very useful for certain things. But nothing so far to get OU that I know of or maybe failed to realize along the way. But as time goes on, there is a baby Mags in my head that seems to be working on these things in the background and posts it on the board behind my forehead. ;D

Anyway, this discussion on lenz gave me new thoughts on what some may call, Russian Ragdolls, multi core transformers. I got this one out because I have some new ideas on how to test it in some different configurations and some resonance tests.

So while I think more on that, Im going to try and get these other tests on the toroid, adding secondaries where maybe the stator coil is shorted and we check the output of the secondary as the rotor spins.  Just wondering if loading the secondary will add more drag on the rotor than what the shorted stator winding has already.  I kinda want to say it will be more but will have to see.

Mags

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 08, 2016, 07:08:32 AM
First, you can take frequency as a energy multiplier if Lenz law is acting not against us.
Second you can use capacitor disruptive discharge.
But in fact if you look closely it all is based on simple laws ...
If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times. The effect is like in Tariel Kapanadze video - device will work (for a while) even when turned off .
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 08, 2016, 07:43:22 AM
First, you can take frequency as a energy multiplier if Lenz law is acting not against us.
Second you can use capacitor disruptive discharge.
But in fact if you look closely it all is based on simple laws ...
If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times. The effect is like in Tariel Kapanadze video - device will work (for a while) even when turned off .

Hey Forest

"If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times."

So what I think you mean......

Say we have a toroid core and we wind a primary on the left side and say 3 secondaries on the right, then we apply input to the primary. So now we load 1 sec. If no lenz for this transformer, then the input would remain constant no matter how many secondaries we load.

But so far, we dont have that capability.

Makes me think though...

Lets say we have a transformer with 2 secondaries. Each secondary has a diode and a cap in series, one with the diode in a polarity that charges its cap during the on pulse of the primary, and the other secondary with its diode in polarity to collapse current when the input pulse is turned off.

So the primary pulse should be long enough just to fully charge the first secondaries cap, and off long enough to let the collapse current charge the second secondary cap.  Once the first secondary cap is full, the primary field is at max. So did we use the 'field produced' more than once? ;D Is there more total energy in the 2 caps than what was used to initially produce the field?

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 08, 2016, 08:42:24 AM
Yes,second example is good. Alternatively you can use a low Rds mosfet and put a single current kick into primary and short it with mosfet , then the inductance and capacitance of primary will play together and produce nice almost not diminishing ring. Let say you do this at the rate of 50Hz, the actual oscillations are 1Mhz and the secondary load with 1% of "Lenz  problem".
That's how T.K was able to get high output IMHO. So in fact the first very simple schematic was correct.
The alternatively you can use disruptive discharge (even with a high Q coil to get a higher rise) from low current high voltage aka Akula . 24V-> 20kV Katcher into a no Lenz problem output. The simplest low Lenz output is very very low inductance coil . And so on.... The essence is simple induction laws as a base.3 laws.Faraday-Ampere-Lenz.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 08, 2016, 08:46:08 AM
Once Lenz problem is out, we can use resonance to avoid 1:1 relationship of primary to secondary energy. but resonance is nto necessary.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 08, 2016, 08:50:53 AM
You see, the secondary output is not taken from primary input. Likewise the generator output is not made by mechanical energy.
As example take two strong men pulling the same rope - if they are of the same power or one is slightly stronger and they are pulling the rope each one on his own direction then the overall image is they are very weak - because there is very weak action on rope ;-) The corect method of measuring the effect is to look at rope closely.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 09, 2016, 12:33:42 AM
I ran my example on sim.  I was wrong.

When the first secondary is induced during the on pulse, when the cap is empty, the current in the primary is highest. And as the cap fills, the secondaries affect on the primary lessens and the primary current is reduced to a level of seeing no secondary load. Then when the input is cut, the field left in the core is not max as I had imagined, so the collapse induction on the second secondary does not have enough to fill the second cap to the level of the first cap. :(

So the next step to test this is to eliminate the empty cap situation and have the circuit run to try and keep the 2 caps full while using the caps charge to run a load. This will help to keep the  fields in the core more equalized for each phase of operation. lol I think.  Ill post on it when I get to it


Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 09, 2016, 08:23:52 AM
How about such idea https://easyeda.com/forest/Recovery-cQKEWdvN5


 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: FatBird on September 09, 2016, 04:57:38 PM
3 phase motors have 3 field coils.
So we don't see what your point is.
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 09, 2016, 08:11:32 PM
Erfinder


Yes.Trinity.But the pattern is repeated almost from 1831. There is one additional topic. http://www.richlandsource.com/area_history/mansfield-s-d-m-cook-and-his-enduring-energy/article_fbac1344-779e-11e3-8a2f-10604b9f7e7e.html


He was not crazy at all just limited in resources.He could fly in other times...
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM


  Do you have any idea why three coils is significant?  Why two will never do?

Regards


How are they connected? in series? parallel? common core?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 10, 2016, 10:09:19 PM

My vague questions and or suggestions mean nothing when viewed from the collectively agreed upon perspective.
snip
Think about your own question, what motivated you asking exactly what you asked.  I don't build machines with core material, I have read, and have no reason to disagree with it, that Nature doesn't fill its holes.


Regards


Ah yes but the statement, "do you have any idea why three coils is (sic) significant?" can be construed as a, "collectively agreed upon perspective" statement, requiring a collectively agreed upon answer.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 10, 2016, 11:25:51 PM

ok....now what....



An answer that a person with my limited intellect can understand... from a builders perspective.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 11, 2016, 11:57:26 AM
snip...
In your motors (which don't exist, soon to become motor-generators when one experiences the device and the forces operating within it as the force operating within it), there are two instances during the cycle which are of key importance to us.  The point of maximum induced potential, and the zero crossing.  Why are these two important and what relation do they have to the necessity of three coils?
snip...
Perhaps the third coil gives a resultant output from

1. a pulse given to one coil at its greatest induced voltage potential.?
2. a pulse to the other coil at its greatest induced current potential.?
Or
3. A combination of pulses in each coil timed at each high induced voltage / current potentials?
4. None of the above !
Cheers






Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 11, 2016, 09:06:59 PM
The generator is running on free electricity. The input energy is only used to drain you wallet ;-)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on September 12, 2016, 04:26:02 PM

Hello forest,

You wrote on Trinity in your Reply 464 to Erfinder, meaning you do agree that 3 coils are neccessary.
Then Erfinder  asked you this:
 

  Do you have any idea why three coils is significant?  Why two will never do?


Would you mind answering his question, please?  I am also interested to learn.

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on September 13, 2016, 11:59:29 PM
Hi erfinder,

I am not there yet, I have not gone deeply into this. This is why I asked forest but either he knows it but egoism defeats him or he does not. And the question also arises as to what he thinks why 3 coils are needed it may not cover what's your take on this...  I do think what you would say would come from tests.

You shared several pointers in this thread what you think, one can find them when one wades through, surely in the quotes below there may be either directly or remotely relevant ones to the 3 coil question and surely there has to be missing relevant quotes too:

"the coils are operated at different times, simultaneous-sequential reactions in the remaining two, non excited, non closed circuit coils, do not allow one to operate in accordance with the law for the purpose of using the law to one's advantage"  and

" I identified three induction processes, out of these three, there are multiple distinct instances when current is induced."  then 
"Technically (my dogma) there is no such thing as a motor, the device we treat as such is and will always be a generator, one which we bias with DC when the fields within the device are quadrature.  We inject an impulse directly into the wave of the generator, when the amplitude of the generated wave is peaked.  The direction of our impulse is almost exactly (might as well be exact) 180° to that of the induced."  and

"we must give the induced a path through the inducer, to a limited degree, this is exactly what we are doing in motors.  Our problem is that we have yet to consider the dual nature of that which we claim to understand via the laws.  When we finally comprehend its nature, from its perspective, we recognize that we are doing everything right, but doing so in systems with piss poor self reference."

"In your motors (which don't exist, soon to become motor-generators when one experiences the device and the forces operating within it as the force operating within it), there are two instances during the cycle which are of key importance to us.  The point of maximum induced potential, and the zero crossing.  Why are these two important and what relation do they have to the necessity of three coils?"

"Point of maximum induced potential equates to L. Zero crossing equates to C.
Inductance and capacitance are not just a function of frequency, nor are they restricted to cross area as cross section is associated with proximity or lack thereof, nor is it restricted to the available surface area offered by the material.  L and C are, in addition to the aforenamed, a function of geometry, locked in space and time to a very specific geometric locations. Parallel LC resonance is to L what series LC resonance is to C.  Series and parallel resonance are higher forms of L and C."  and

"On a side note, I am investigating how energy is transferred between L and C, both are source in turn, both are sink in turn, but at resonance something else takes place. The impedance = 0 condition opens the system up so as to allow energy to move in both directions simultaneously, assuming the means for exciting such is available.  The prerequisite, resonance must be maintained over a wide band, I call this condition "Infinite Harmonic Resonant Self Oscillation", I mentioned that already......  The key to accomplishing this is understanding what Lenz really is doing in your system and controlling it (Lenz, not running away from it or cutting it out like cancer) through the manipulation of reactive cross section at key instances....sounds complicated but can be broken down into changing the impedance of the circuit, impedance here being a direct reference to CEMF, how, where and when, and which direction it is induced."  and

"The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer.  .. No other relation yields the desired result. So many got it right in the past, but their published works make no sense to the classically trained, these souls are written off, as idiots, in spite of their many of years of experience and commitment to the status quo, in their respective field of science."

"Setup x number of beat generators, x being equal to the number of envelopes which are to be voided, all are voided save one (voidance isn't actually what I am aiming at here, however, I use the term in place of that which I have come to recognize as fact as it's far simpler to just say void as the term applies to the removed (the envelopes), than to expound on means and or method by which the phase angle of the removed envelopes has changed to, and more importantly how this set of circumstances is maintained.
The relation of the added beats is such that it causes the isolated envelope to transition from a standing to traveling wave.  Now you have a wave packet which bounces between impedances, a less than ideal set of circumstances (a situation which demands one's attention prior to trying to apply this for practical use) for the packet of energy you have worked hard at isolating and mobilizing. This is a fruit of my labor, the ideal inducer."

"To truly neutralize the effect that Lenz has on your system you simply need to comprehend what he's saying.  I suggested that beat generation is the solution, it says it all, when you recognize what's being said, when you comprehend what's being implied."

And one full post is also worth referred to:  http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg490502/#msg490502 

However, these quotes cannot be fully understood without doing correct tests.

And actually you have not shared your setup on this, maybe you never will. The latter case would be most unfortunate.
 
Greetings
Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 14, 2016, 05:15:18 AM
@Gyula
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However, these quotes cannot be fully understood without doing correct tests. [/size]And actually you have not shared your setup on this, maybe you never will. The latter case would be most unfortunate.


If you only knew what Erfinder gave you in the quotes you posted you would be very surprised. It is all there but you have to listen and you have to think about what was actually said word for word in the context it was said.


The wonderful part about leaving many things open to interpretation is that it is open to interpretation. One man may say I do this and you interpret it as something else and then follow through and Eureka you have it. Then you go tell that man I have replicated your device and this is how it works. Then he tells you no that is nothing like what I was doing but you managed to succeed anyways.


I cannot tell you how many times I have been completely wrong about something and succeeded anyways. Personally I hope Erfinder doesn't give anything away on a silver platter because that would spoil all the fun.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 14, 2016, 04:54:39 PM
@tinman

I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.


1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.


2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.


3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.


4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.


5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.


You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.


AC

Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?

First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  :D

Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  ;)
What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 14, 2016, 04:58:35 PM

Personally I hope Erfinder doesn't give anything away on a silver platter because that would spoil all the fun.

AC


Is a lack of empathy, bordering on rudeness, just a prerequisite for this forum?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 14, 2016, 05:15:54 PM

Is a lack of empathy, bordering on rudeness, just a prerequisite for this forum?


Ron

Only from some Ron.
Some of us show what is,and some play--riddle me this.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on September 14, 2016, 10:42:13 PM
Hi Erfinder,

Thanks for showing 'something' (as you put it) and I hope some folks can do such tests and they would still get something further on in this process from you.  I do not think your 20 minutes were in vain... 
I have been engaged in another project and having my 'lab' on the kitchen table in a block of flats I can proceed slowly (anyway this kind of tinkering is a hobby for me).  So I cannot join 'your class' as a participating student any time soon.

Greetings,
Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 15, 2016, 12:20:48 AM
Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?

First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  :D

Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  ;)
What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI)


Brad


Interesting, but video exceeds my attention span, LOL
Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on September 15, 2016, 12:53:16 AM
Hi Erfinder,

I think that when JB put the core into the coil, the input current dropped  (say to a few mA from the earlier 200 mA, full scale was 5 A) because the inserted core increased the L inductance of the so far air cored coil hence the AC impedance also increased. So the current consumption decreased, it had to.

What I did not understand back at the time when he released that video was why he mentioned the no back emf feature? Because the induced voltage in the coil was shown on the scope...  see attached shot where I put an arrow to the induced peak voltage.
Later on JB showed the advanced version on his zero force motor and it included 2 half toroidal coil sets, here the back emf may have indeed been cancelled but not with the single coil version shown above.

If you disagree with any of these, please give your thoughts on them. Probably you have differing thoughts, for you mention a Tesla patent on the concept... 

Now I know I misunderstood what you wasted on the 20 minutes, sorry for that...

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 01:22:26 AM

 


Start building.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuz3Yr6nmA


.  I can see many already turning their nose up at the mentioning of hv, as there's no power there....I pity  those (no i don't) who lack forsight necessary to see how utterly stupid such an opinion is.  Why not post this at the onset of the discussion?  It's on topic?  The simple answer, build it and learn why!  The funniest quote I got from a real guru was this....."you won't power your house with a rollerskate."


Oh, and for the record, you demonstrate once again that you are owned by the, your, adversary, Lenz.  Consumption decrease is not a sign that you are winning.

OMG
You have got to be kidding Erfinder--really  :o

You show a coil shorting circuit placed across a stepper motor,and you think you have shown something wonderful lol.
Did you not watch my video carefully,where i show the very same,only at a slower RPM,and with the use of weak ceramic magnets.
My-how far behind you really are.

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Why is my demo important, well.....it's the most stupid simple hv generator that anyone can build if they were so inclined.  When tuned, it exhibits the lowest possible drag of any generator that I have yet to build using off the shelf shit

Your video is only about 80 years behind the rest of the world-->see pic.
The only reason you think that a stepper motor produces very little drag,is the very same reason you think the dynaflux generator is wonderful.You-like Jim,have no idea where to look,when you think something is doing something wonderful.
I have shown-not so long ago,a stepper motor driving 2x 1 watt incandescent bulbs,without any reflection what so ever on the prime mover--big deal,there is nothing out of the ordinary there,and as long as you shun measuring equipment the way you do,you will remain behind the rest of the world-just as you are now.

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20 minutes gone....and for what....  wanna show them something, throw together an SG no power supply at all....the circuit should charge its own supply cap, and that cap should then be pulsed across the motor winding.....neons should light up if you got one

So many words of !wisdom!  ::).
So will you be goining myself and AC in our little build off,and put your self running SG  ::) up for show?-or,is it as usual,just more talk?.

....here's the catch...
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, OR SHOULD BE BEATEN TO A PULP WITH THEIR SG MACHINES FOR NOT KNOWING!
Instead of a meter and CVR clarification, it would have made more sense, you being a SG guru, for you to have discussed how and why the SG is and will always be a generator.

The SG is,always has been,and always will be,just a mechanically switched boost converter-nothing more.
By the way,the pulse motor i just built,is not an SG.
The !SG! was designed and built many years before JB came on the scene--he just stole the idea,and made it his own.
Many here have posted links to the original builders of the !SG! motor.

So,as i said,you are that far behind Erfinder,that you cant see past your own stupidity.
See that 1906 phone bell ringer below ?-well that is your stepper motor,but with mechanical points coil shorting--and it will light 6x 110 volt neons in series,with a simple slow crank of the handle--oh,and with less drag than your stepper motor has lol.

As i said,you are so far behind,it is not funny  :-[ :-[

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 01:35:55 AM
Almost forgot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc

This video came out back in the day when orbo was "the" topic.  If I recall the circumstances surrounding the release of this video, JB was saying in so many words, that what they were demonstrating, he could do with his tech.  Note the consumption drop when he adjusts the core..... After this video, folk got really excited about consumption decrease, thinking that it was directly related to self running...blah blah blah....sad, folks are duping themselves.  JB knows exactly what he was doing when he added that core, and so do I.  Tesla has a patent on the concept, you should look into it, or not.... 

All that to say this, your late...

LOL

I see that JB knows about as much as you and Jim !tha man! Murray.
None of you have any idea as to what happened when JB placed the iron tube inside the coil,and why the current input dropped lol.  ::)
Dose an increase in inductance mean anything to you?.

200mA at who knows what voltage--wow,he's on a winner there lol.
And JB is suppose to be some sort of radio tech guru lol.

Why you continue to post such piffle is beyond me  ::)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 15, 2016, 02:41:56 AM
@tinman
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Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?[/size]First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI)


Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 06:50:30 AM
@tinman

Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




AC

Kick my ass hey lol
You do know that the video is just the very first run-dont you?
I havnt even begun with the circuit yet.

The cap is in the PSU in that run.
The neon lights when the reed switch opens during the generating part of the cycle,not during the motoring part of the cycle. This means that the energy used to light the neon,could also be sent back to the source. But even now,with this simplest of circuits,we are below the 1mA current draw mark.
Placing the scope across the CVR tells the true story of what is happening,and the description i gave at the start of the video is spot on. The biggest problem in that first run, is the PSU limits the voltage as well,to the selected voltage.

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your progress video.
Oh-and i have no problem with you kicking my ass in a pulse motor buildoff AC-something Erfinder could never do.
But as they say-dont count your chickens before they hatch. Lol


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 01:16:50 PM

We aren't even on the same planet.  , you haven't demonstrated anything worthy of my time.

Lol
And what have you demonstrated ?
Thats right-nothing but rubbish--your stepper motor video was outdated over 80 years ago.
Most of the circuit you showed is not needed--in fact,everything you have shown is as old as the hills.

I am surprised that you really are this far behind,and you have not yet worked out how things really work.
The fact that you shun measuring equipment,will only add to the inabilities you have now.

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I piss on your challenge

Of course you do--you are a true JB fan,and member of the circus,where when asked to qualify your claim's,you run for the hills.
So happy to open your unqualified mouth at everything i do,but not once have you shown anything better-and you never will.

Not long ago,a member questioned you regarding one of your statements,and you said he was not qualified to question your work,when in actual fact,looking at everything you have shown,it is clear that it is you that is not even close to being qualified--and so it is you that is not qualified to make idiotic comments about what i do,as it is clear you have no idea what you are doing--your latest video proved that beyond doubt.

The fact that you have no idea as to what was actually happening in JBs video you posted,is another clear indication that your qualification level is very low.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 01:39:21 PM

Demonstrate something worth a damn, and maybe I'll consider your proposal.  You have no idea what JB has, you pride yourself in thinking you do, but you don't. What you think of me and my abilities matters not.  Don't take much to run circles around you.

Another claim,but like the JB crew,you will never back it up.

In stead of insulting people,your time would be better spent learning.

I dont know what JB has?--well i know what he dose not have,and that is a self runner that he and the clown crew always claim to have.
Feel free to prove me wrong.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 15, 2016, 02:00:45 PM
http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html combine with many stages combine with the simplified circuit I posted
https%3A%2F%2Feasyeda.com%2Fforest%2FRecovery-cQKEWdvN5[/size][size=78%]ect[/size]
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 02:57:17 PM
Forgot....you don't have a self runner either, prove that wrong....

So challenge me  ;),and lets see what i have,and lets see what you have.

Im calling your bluff--challenge me,and we will see who has what.

But like a true JB sheeple,you will run and hide.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 15, 2016, 03:10:36 PM

.... 


   

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Not here to back up anything for Brad

You have nothing to back up.

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.not intersted in what you think I should be doing with my time.  That shit you are suggesting one learn, been there, what I am after is not found there.

What you are after ,is fairy dust--which is about as much as you have shown.

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You are the definition of hypocrite, it's ok for you to insult but get all offended when your work is called crap.

You should go back a few pages,and see who started with the insult's.
What you think of my work means nothing to me,as you simply do not know what you are looking at.
Examples-
1-Jim's dynaflux generator--worst generator i have ever seen,but you think it's great.
2- You not understanding as to why JBs pulse motor's current dropped when he inserted the steel tube into the coil--basic stuff that went over your head. Once again,you think it is something wonderful,but it is really nothing out of the ordinary.
3-Your stepper motor video. Once again you think you are showing something wonderful,but once again-nothing out of the ordinary,and has been done for the past 80 years.-->you finally discovered coil shorting  ;)

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You don't know what JB has, you base your opinion on what you have been shown, you don't have what it takes to see beyond the obvious.  Those folk don't care what tinman thinks he knows.

Tinman (like many others here),knows that JB has nothing special,and your full of crap.

You know,i have read every one of there !books of secrets!,and guess what--there isnt one secret in them lol,and even then,they got half the crap wrong.

Why dont you tell us all about the famous !1 ohm test!,and i will show you where they screwed up there as well.

So far,you have shown machines that consume much more power than they deliver,and yet,here you are,on a thread,that is driving toward a more efficient generator--and yet you continue to show power hungry heaters.

It has become obvious in this thread,that the reason you never give anyone a straight answer,is because you have no clue your self. ;)

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 15, 2016, 04:50:14 PM
http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html) combine with many stages combine with the simplified circuit I posted
https%3A%2F%2Feasyeda.com%2Fforest%2FRecovery-cQKEWdvN5[/size][size=78%]ect[/size]


Finally!!! Thanks Forest, incidentally the second link didn't work for me


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 15, 2016, 04:52:47 PM
You have nothing to back up.

What you are after ,is fairy dust--which is about as much as you have shown.

You should go back a few pages,and see who started with the insult's.
What you think of my work means nothing to me,as you simply do not know what you are looking at.

It has become obvious in this thread,that the reason you never give anyone a straight answer,is because you have no clue your self. ;)

Brad


Brad, time for you and erfinder to stop this crap and get on with the show...OK?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 15, 2016, 06:48:23 PM

How you view things is how you view things.  What you can do at the end of the day is what matters to most.  There is purpose behind my suggestions and recommendations.  I have done the work, I see what I want, and the path which must be taken to get it.  This is my motivation for making suggestions.  In recognizing that I wasn't seeing what was there, and allowing the situation and circumstance be my guide, I was corrected.  Now I am in the position to do something with that which is being transferred and stored while it's being transferred and stored, and recover at the same time.  So, the question is, if recovery is 100 percent.....that which was intercepted during the transfer and storage process is surplus. There's no limit to the amount which can be intercepted......comprehend what was just stated, and when it really hits you....shit yourself...I did (figuratively).


I am not looking for a solution, not intersted in what anyone else thinks they have or suggests.  I have found what I am looking for and am sharing it to the best of my ability with those who have the capacity to comprehend and speak bullshit.


Regards


Thank you Erfinder.  I'm listening.  Been looking into Murray for a minute now and hold his work in high regard.  I'm not done building....


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 15, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
Hey ERfinder

Just wondered what you thought of Romeros Muller dynamo that he had shown self running. I still have tendency to believe it worked.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 15, 2016, 11:43:15 PM
snip 

I offer a mosaic, to those who care little for what I suggest, what I offer reads confused, I assure you it is not.  You ask how the coils are connected, this is a question you should ask yourself.  Were I to tell you how the coils are connected, your next move would be to set something up, for what purpose?  When the purpose is known, and tests fail to deliver that which is assumed, as nothing was given, and nothing was intuited, what would be your next move? 

Think about your own question, what motivated you asking exactly what you asked.  I don't build machines with core material, I have read, and have no reason to disagree with it, that Nature doesn't fill its holes.

Regards


OK, seeing Mario's three coil bank prompts me to take a guess...


They are wired in series with the center coil being 180 degrees out of phase. in other words the center coil is a bucking coil. This provides a path for the counter EMF. So you lose one third of the field strength for an enhanced  over all current flow.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 01:21:14 AM



 


 


 

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you will be remembered as being the c_unt who did everything she could to keep them from progressing.

Your foul mouth shows your true caricature--you are a sad individual.

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Coil shorting.....no dumb ass....that's not what I showed.  If I wanted to show you coil shorting, I would have shown you coil shorting.  You are screaming coil shorting because you're stupid, blind, and think you got it all figured out, you don't.

A big JB follower,and yet has no idea as to how the simple SSG circuit works--you dont even know what you show in your own work. You do know it is just a blocking oscillator--dont you  :o,and you do know what the word !blocking! stands for--dont you?.

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Like I said....show something worthy of anyone's time.  I am loving how you are getting your ass handed to you by a dead guy....and you think it's a good thing....idiot.

The idiot here,is the one who thinks he follows the work of said !dead guy!,but couldnt be further from it if he tried.

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Fuck a more efficient generator.  People who want a more efficient generator and think you, a guy who refuses to use the damn free spell checker, has what it takes to give them what they are too lazy or too stupid to get for themselves, are even more stupid than you.  You can buy highly efficient generators already, designed and constructed by folk who are light years ahead of your wannabe ass.  You don't even ask people what they are looking for.  You don't let them think for themselves.  You tell them what they should think, and feel justified because your scope shots are clean and your meters true.  If they want what you want, by all means give it to them.  My thinking is they want what you can't give them.  My thinking is they want what they were promised, but haven't necessarily earned.

If you actually used things like scopes and meter's,you wouldnt be so lost in your own work--like your stepper motor disaster.
What do you think happens when the transistor conduct's in your stepper motor demo?--yes,thats right,the coils inside the stepper motor are shorted--a continual loop now exist. And what dose this do when that short exists?--yes,a magnetic field builds around the shorted coils as the current builds within those coils-thanks to the the magnetic fields of the rotor. Now,what happens when the transistor becomes open?--yes,thats right,the existing magnetic fields around the coil's collapses back around those coils at a high rate of speed,and a large inductive spike is produced by those coil's,and your NE2 lights,due to the fact that the resistance of the once shorted circuit just went sky high,and so did the !now! inverted voltage.

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I offer speculation on a means through which power can be amplified.

You offer nothing but foul language ,and fairy dust.
You cower when you are challenged,and run like the wind when asked to produce anything to back up your claim's. You cannot amplify power,it needs to already exist within the machine.
The only untapped power that exist within these machine's,is held within the PMs,and when you understand this,you will stop presenting bathroom heater's that convert wanted power into waste heat--such as Jims dynaflux generator dose.

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  (My first real claim....) Will l substantiate it.....nope.  Do I care if folk stick around and figure it out.....nope. Will I be happy for those who figure it out, hell yeah.  If and when they figure it out,

Like all JB fan's,the reason you will not substantiate anything,is because you cant--not because you dont want to.

 
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you, a guy who refuses to use the damn free spell checker

And yet you have no problem reading what i write ;)
Perhaps you should refrain from such comments,until your own grammar is up to scratch. ;D
And you should get some one to wash out that filthy mouth of yours,or hop on a plane,and come call me that to my face,instead of being a keyboard coward.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 16, 2016, 03:15:41 AM
Your foul mouth shows your true caricature--you are a sad individual.
snip
And yet you have no problem reading what i write ;)
Perhaps you should refrain from such comments,until your own grammar is up to scratch. ;D
And you should get some one to wash out that filthy mouth of yours,or hop on a plane,and come call me that to my face,instead of being a keyboard coward.


Brad


"I'd be tender

I'd be gentle

And awful sentimental... if I only had a heart"


Gee, I am sure looking towards that day, hope it is soon


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on September 16, 2016, 08:07:17 AM
Instead of nonsensical talk watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30h6hrxACdA
When you have some stages summed into one capacitor for example you can take some power to input to create self-resonant condition.Theoreticaly of course.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 11:38:09 AM

"I'd be tender

I'd be gentle

And awful sentimental... if I only had a heart"


Gee, I am sure looking towards that day, hope it is soon


Ron

And so you condone Erfinders language,and the fact that every video i post here on my work,Erfinder is the first to put my work down-even though he has no idea as to what he is talking about.

Sorry Ron,but i do not stand idle,and let foul mouthed uninformed people like Erfinder talk about me or my work like he dose--simple as that--although you will see that i do not use such language as he dose.

I have a heart Ron,and those that treat me well get the same in return--and some.
Erfinder will get back what he give's-minus the foul language--and thats the bottom line.

Ask your self this--what have you learned from Erfinder so far?
Do you know what was happening in his video with the stepper motor lighting the NE2 ?

Anyway,what you do is up to you,and has nothing to do with me at all. I am only here to show those interested,my work and results from that work.
But i am not here to have some unqualified foul mouthed fairy dust chaser such as Erfinder make such comments toward me,and just let it slide--not going to happen.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on September 16, 2016, 12:28:52 PM
Ron
I'm not sure if  lack of Empathy is a prerequisite for membership here [gotta check the "big book"]..
But I thought that was funny [if I only had a heart] ...
your funny quote was from the scarecrow in the wizard of OZ [for the "kids" Under 70 ]

sometimes I think we're fortunate that there are Continents and oceans between us ..
"two men enter one man leaves" may work in areas with overpopulation issues and limited resources.

not so good here with this cause and our needs on this planet.

Just one mans opinion.

Chet K
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 01:35:22 PM
You already stated that you think this is coil shorting idiot....I told you, if I wanted to demonstrate coil shorting I would have demonstrated coil shorting. 

I dropped a few lame videos, all of which contain gems for those who want them.  You grab the stepper motor video and ask folk if they see what "you" see.  LOL!  Why should they see what you see, why should they even be interested in what you think about my video?  You don't know where this is going.....call it a piece of shit, garbage, fairy dust production, and move on.  If and when they get it, the name tinman will be synonymous with the dumb ass who didn't get it because he doesn't have a brain.

Your problem is you truly believe that your perspective is the perspective, sorry dick, it's not.  I reserve the foul language for your kind, so far, there are only two of you.  Your work is garbage, this is what you say of others, they aren't here to speak for themselves, I take it upon myself to shit on your work in their absence. 

No one  here is qualified, least of all you.  You will sit there and take the insults because you don't have a choice, I will sit here and take the insults because I don't have a choice.  It's a stalemate.  Thing is, I really don't give a shit about your opinion, I respond in kind because I can and not because my feelings are hurt.  You can say what you want about what I present, in the end, as I told you before, you will be the one looking like a complete fuckup when the time comes.

Your kind never ask why those you call morons grouped together with a guy you call a rookie...to add insult to your piss poor situation, your plagiarist companion is a cheerleader for one of those "rubbish" disseminators....LOL.  What could motivate all those individuals to side with one you hate, one of the reasons for your hate being, because he handed you your ass when you showed your ass when you were a guest in his home.  You don't know!   You will never know!  Someone stick a fork in this asshat, he's done.

In conclusion, the best that you say you have is a machine that you claim you can't produce, LOL.....LOSER.   

Anyway.....it's been fun the tinman, but it's time to turn my attention back to that which you are too ignorant to comprehend.

Short and sweet
You used the Bedini SSG circuit.
You trigger the transistor with one set of coil's,which shorts the other set of coils in the stepper motor.
You pride your self in being the Bedini guru on his circuit,but are oblivious to that circuit being nothing more than a mechanical blocking oscillator--thats all it is.
This rubbish about radiant energy being drawn in,and being the cause of the !claimed! OU,is just rubbish. There is nothing fantastic about inductive kickback-or flyback as some call it,and that is all the SSG circuit is,and all it provides.

As i stated,your time would be better spent learning,and separating facts from fairy dust.
Should i put together that very circuit with the stepper motor you showed,and by way of using the scope,show you that you just demonstrated nothing more than a coil shorting circuit--a blocking oscillator ?.
No,you wouldnt like that,as you shun the use of measuring equipment that provides valuable information,and shows exactly what you were doing in that video demonstration--just as all the rookie/JB army dose.

You think you are here to teach,but it is beginning to look like you are here to distract/divert those here from learning fact's.
It is not me that qualifies the science behind the mechanism,it is science it self that did this many years ago.

What you think of my work really means nothing to me,as you clearly are not qualified to even look at it,let alone comment on it.
Everything you have posted that you think is wonderful,i have destroyed by providing facts.
Science has it right cupcake--you dont get to change that for fairy dust.

So,you keep making idiotic comments toward my work,and i will keep exposing you for who you are.
So suck it up princess,thats the way it is.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 16, 2016, 05:00:07 PM
Ron
I'm not sure if  lack of Empathy is a prerequisite for membership here [gotta check the "big book"]..
But I thought that was funny [if I only had a heart] ...
your funny quote was from the scarecrow in the wizard of OZ [for the "kids" Under 70 ]

sometimes I think we're fortunate that there are Continents and oceans between us ..
"two men enter one man leaves" may work in areas with overpopulation issues and limited resources.

not so good here with this cause and our needs on this planet.

Just one mans opinion.

Chet K


Glad you saw the humour Chet!  Too bad tinman missed the point. Now he thinks I am defending erfinder? Well of course I am. Does that make me an enemy?  I am equally sick of both of them and their inflammatory posts.

But it is you tinman that has the power to stop this crap show. Grow a thicker skin or what ever it takes.

For both of you: "Never argue with a fool, onlookers won't be able to tell the difference"

Ron
 


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 05:30:41 PM

 I am loving how you are getting your ass handed to you by a dead guy....and you think it's a good thing....idiot.


I have to ask--to what dead guy are you referring to ?


brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 05:33:12 PM



What I find curious is the main person screaming "rubbish" has a device that looks like a cheap copy of Murray tech.....go figure?


Regards

I have nothing that resembles anything Murray designed,except his !big waste of time! dynaflusted! generator.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on September 16, 2016, 05:52:07 PM
BTW Erfinder, three coils....


You need three yes.   One coil, the centered one performs the intended action (or impedance match).  The other two coils that surround the center coil maintains balance of the symmetrical "simultaneous sequential" reaction and without them, you have uncontrolled signal/wave reflection.

Funny the things you begin to see when you know what to look for.    :)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 06:37:51 PM

Why do you have to ask?  I have made this clear several times.  One would think that you would at the very least try and understand what's being suggested.  I have considered everything you have ever posted, I don't agree with 99 percent of it, I don't have to, and for the same reasons that you don't agree with anything I say.  The thing to recognize is that we don't have to agree on anything while considering suggestions.  What you suggest doesn't work for what I want, period.  You do good work, I have said this in the past, however, voice the opinion that your direction will not get me where I want to be.  Folk don't want what you are offering, but you are really convincing.  I suggest that power cannot be amplified, and the your reaction.....you tell me what you can't know, not even considering why or how such a claim can be made.  You closed the book, your mind's made up, makes me wonder what you are really doing here, not that that's an issue, you're here, and we are at eachothers throats. 


The dead guy is Lenz.....he keeps handing you your ass, and will continue to hand it to you till you check yourself.  Your response will be to the effect that I'm stupid, and you are doing the right thing, in accordance with blah blah blah....been there tinman, done that.  There's more, way more.  Open your mind, and if you cannot, don't stand in the way of those who can.


For the same reasons that current drops Brad, it can RISE!  Consider that I know what I am talking about, or continue to assume that I don't, matters little to me.  Your perspective generates buttkiss on my bench, my perspective.....just know I am here because my bench indicates that it's time for me to be here.

It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 16, 2016, 08:13:55 PM
The problem I see with Lenz Law seems obvious on the surface.


Law: "Law is a system of rules that are enforced through social institutions to govern behavior".


Think about that... a system of rules to govern behavior... to govern someones behavior and it is very effective isn't it?.


Lenz Law is simply a statement of the obvious concerning certain phenomena and there is no real genius to be found in it... none. No more genius than declaring that which is below me is the Earth and that above me the universe at large. However as we see above the objective of any law is to govern the behavior concerning the rule. As if to say I should behave like a good little boy and not question these things or I may get in trouble. Mean while science tells us we should question everything which leads to a great deal of confusion.


You see it is not so much the Law but the general behavior which is implied concerning this term Law which I find a little disturbing. It has literally nothing to do with the total energy present in any given system and only describes a discrete phenomena within it. Yet many have taken it upon themselves to enforce this Law as if it has universal application to everything. No, I am sorry it does not apply in a universal context and it is only a statement of what should have been obvious to anyone skilled in the art. As if to say if you continue to do this and only this then this is what you can expect to happen.


Myself I'm a bit of a trouble maker and what some old fart happened to believe 100 years ago really doesn't concern me, our future does. Science is not a cult nor is it a pissing contest between juveniles... it is the pursuit of truth.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 16, 2016, 09:59:13 PM
It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.


Brad



If anyone here is the slightest bit serious about "Free Energy" you should study exactly what Brad  has just said!!!

If you choose to not take this seriously, then you simply do not understand the Science and are wasting everyones time as well as your own!!!

Lenz's is a Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field is Current, Lenz's Law is Magnetic Field Opposing Magnetic Field - If you dont get this, you need to do your homework!!!

You need to Super Charge Electromagnetic Induction not kill it!!! Use a configuration or a geometry that uses Electromagnetic Induction to Assist in the Induction Process.

Electromagnetic Induction is Energy over Time, Joules per second, without Electromagnetic Induction you dont have anything!

Its the Output to Input Reflection that must be reduced!

@Ron - Did you finish off the WardForce Generator? Did you get any experiments done on it?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: Erfinder has thieved his three coil idea as he has with all his work!!!


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 01:08:16 AM

@Ron - Did you finish off the WardForce Generator? Did you get any experiments done on it?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Still a work in progress Chris. Just today I reached the point of a first test. I had built it thinking to try Butch's "no gap" model but found out that the flux never went to the top and bottom bars, it was happy just to circulate in the core. So I have chopped it open as you can see by the couple of band aids holding it together now.


The rotor is 3 inches dia., overall width about 7 inches, The basic rotor is a piece of 1 inch key steel with two stacks of 5, 1/8th by 1 inch neos with cast iron shoes


The left core drops of cleanly when I rotate the rotor. There are two cogging spots each side. So will wind some coils for it next week.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 06:43:25 AM

Still a work in progress Chris. Just today I reached the point of a first test. I had built it thinking to try Butch's "no gap" model but found out that the flux never went to the top and bottom bars, it was happy just to circulate in the core. So I have chopped it open as you can see by the couple of band aids holding it together now.


The rotor is 3 inches dia., overall width about 7 inches, The basic rotor is a piece of 1 inch key steel with two stacks of 5, 1/8th by 1 inch neos with cast iron shoes


The left core drops of cleanly when I rotate the rotor. There are two cogging spots each side. So will wind some coils for it next week.


Ron



Very Nice Ron!!!

Lots of turns on your Coil, like the shaded Pole Motor, and the MMF will be High, this the Magnetic Field. Start with one Coil at a time, then try 2 later on.

I learnt a lot from my build, no where near as good as yours!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 10:51:14 AM

The few I have allowed a seat at my bench, have seen what's possible.  At the top of the list of useless demos is the one thing that you have yet to demonstrate, namely, self assisted oscillation (a name you picked for your lost cause demo, a demo which eats power, your buddy if he were honest with you would call that rig a heater........).  The concept in and of itself isn't well thought out, and this is reflected in the piss poor demonstration you made of the same.  No oscillations, no wave transformations, nada. My bench on the other hand, I have no problem demonstrating these things.  You are the copy paste junky, I feel you are preparing the ground for stealing from me....(not going to happen) if you read back through the posts, you may find one where I say the three coils are one.  Your pic reveals your ignorance, stop grabbing at straws and do the damn work.



Keep up your Oompa Loompa Science Erfinder, one day you will do full circle and realise!


A question for you, oh self proclaimed Oompa Loompa Scientist - What exactly, in 20 words or less, defines a Coils Inductance?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 11:04:08 AM

Thanks copy paste.  An attempt at an insult followed by what you consider a serious question, and you expect me to answer....wasting your time dear....



Hey, you got the terms, but all of us know, you dont know, what they mean, you have your own definitions!!!

Youre talking through a Hole in the lower end again!!!

It is the most simple concepts that are the most important here, and you aint got em!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 11:09:12 AM

I'm blushing.....



Same colour as your Parallel Resonant Porridge Maker?

While you’re very quick to bad mouth others, most of the time, you have no idea what’s even being said, yet you bad mouth them anyway!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 11:23:09 AM

check the record sweety....I only bad mouth two of you.  Again you assume to know what I know...you don't....I don't give you enough to go on...LOL....I'm enjoying that you are taking the time to examine statements made by one you have no respect for, it matters not why you do so, fact is, you are doing it, there's hope for you yet....LOL



Youre a professional, talk it up, get it wrong, deny it, change the topic.

I have seen your kind for a long time, I would not like to be a Newbe starting off with your kind around, the end goal would be impossible to reach!

What is Electricity?

What is Electromagnetic Induction? AKA: Induction...

What is, exactly, the Inductance of a Coil? an Inductor?

Why is there a Time Constant to Charge an Inductor?

Is the Magnetic Field of a Current Carrying Inductor a Property of the Inductor?

All the most basic concepts you know nothing about and have never bothered to look at!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 11:34:45 AM
Wow
The skies are clear.
It's going to be a great night for UFO watching  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 12:15:43 PM

you say something?  I dozed off...your posts have that effect on me....



Science has no effect on you!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 12:55:45 PM

The sad thing is you actually listen to the resident Lenz Law guru wannabe.  Sad, but your choice, and sir, I do not stand in your way.  The device you have constructed is one of the nicest out there, and I am referring to your Teal machine, I have no comment on the device depicted above.  Copy paste junky is a lost cause, not your problem, had he done his homework on Mr. Ward, he would have suggested a much simpler build, one in which LOW INDUCTANCE LOW RESISTANCE coils were used. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4)


I show the exact same effect using low inductance low resistance coils operating at low frequency, using coils which have cores, but no common magnetic circuit between them, and advance from here showing the same effect in an air core system.......continue to listen to chris, he is going to lead you to exactly what you don't want.  You demonstrated what you are capable of, I gave you a silent standing applaud when you brought out your Teal replication.  You want a real generator, copy paste junky doesn't know how to build one.  You will understand what I'm saying when that design you are working on as per his suggestion fails.


Regards


There you go Erfinder, I challenge you to your stupid Idiot reply to Ron, and you turn to Jelly!!!

You know what, just like your welcome to your opinions and posts, we all are!

Your stupidity, and lack of, the most basic Science, and then your critique of others, that, when challanged, very clearly makes you turn to jelly, is just deplorable!

Pull your head in Erfinder. You very clearly know absolutely nothing about Electromagnetic Induction, and choose to stay dumb on the subject!

By the way, how is your 50Hz 10KVA Air Core transformer going?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 01:13:05 PM



So, Oompa Loompa Scientist - What would a M-6 Laminated Steel Core do to help your Air Cored Transformer from Electrical Breakdown? Or Burnout?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Energy-Ingenuity on September 17, 2016, 01:30:55 PM
Chris Sykes,

One thing that will help, Wardforce is controlled by speed (frequency), and the Eddie currents do not exists with the new way to cause induction.  I tell you how to build an AC, DC, 3 phase generator, transformer, motor that is one device, which is patent pending.  Just to be clear, energy from Magnets is only one very small benefit, to just this ONE discovery, that I am sharing now.  Energy from Magnets is nothing!  This webpage has YouTube videos that are demonstrating "Space Travel" or "Tractor Beam" as called by some. http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/id51.html

I hope to share more of my discoveries when funds allow it.  http://www.energy-ingenuity.com/id43.html This discovery shows a change demonstrated in a thermometer.  Would that be "climate change"?  A change in the temperature demonstrated by a change in a thermometer.

If you build it, you will KNOW, how it works.  This is why I have published my book "Wardforce", which is the peer-reviewed paper telling all that is needed for you to build two devices.  I built them without the list of materials and where to get them, drawings, pictures, instructions how to operate, etc.  They were finished in less than a day and I spent less than $200.  YOU and ANYONE can with all the information that I give in my book http://www.wardforce.com .
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 01:42:23 PM

I welcome your opinions, and challenges, I don't have to accept either, and don't, same as you.  Strange behaviour you are demonstrating, lying....  Cheap shots, bad humor....that's you and I get it, but lying....damn....I didn't think you had that in you. 


If you think for a second that truth is limited to your perspective, or those whom you claim to represent, I am sorry but you are sadly mistaken, and no amount of "information" you copy, paste from the internet and present as support for your case will never make you right.


Here's an untrue statement from me, since we are obviously at this point in our relationship now....your moms a oompa lumpa c_ock sucker.   :-*   I'm your father...rebel....



You really would have upset me if you had come back with something smart!!!

I don’t lie, its all here, readers can look it up.

So you can run your Oompa Loompa Parallel Resonant Porridge Maker, the answer is: Na, changed my mind…


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 01:48:11 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-k5J4RxQdE
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 01:57:15 PM
76 metric tons
574KPH
Kinetic energy value=965517680 joules  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE4A0nPjyqQ
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 02:05:52 PM
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 05:26:07 PM

The sad thing is you actually listen to the resident Lenz Law guru wannabe.  Sad, but your choice, and sir, I do not stand in your way.  The device you have constructed is one of the nicest out there, and I am referring to your Teal machine, I have no comment on the device depicted above.  Copy paste junky is a lost cause, not your problem, had he done his homework on Mr. Ward, he would have suggested a much simpler build, one in which LOW INDUCTANCE LOW RESISTANCE coils were used. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4)


I show the exact same effect using low inductance low resistance coils operating at low frequency, using coils which have cores, but no common magnetic circuit between them, and advance from here showing the same effect in an air core system.......continue to listen to chris, he is going to lead you to exactly what you don't want.  You demonstrated what you are capable of, I gave you a silent standing applaud when you brought out your Teal replication.  You want a real generator, copy paste junky doesn't know how to build one.  You will understand what I'm saying when that design you are working on as per his suggestion fails.


Regards


Thanks for your comment on my Teal build, I am in shock!


I had seen the "take down" vid but as with most things I didn't have and couldn't find locally any decent sized laminations.
As our dish washer had bit the dust the motor laminations became the basic start for the core. Then an old ballast transformer for $10 from the recycle bandits gave me the long top and bottom pieces.


Working with laminations can be awkward at times, they must be clamped tightly but even at that, machining raises little burrs, the secret is to then grind a few thousands out to get rid of these "shorts" as H would call them.


Here my trusty old Black and Decker router is being pressed into service as a tool post grinder...


Ron









Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 05:43:43 PM


Very Nice Ron!!!

Lots of turns on your Coil, like the shaded Pole Motor, and the MMF will be High, this the Magnetic Field. Start with one Coil at a time, then try 2 later on.

I learnt a lot from my build, no where near as good as yours!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.


In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build.  But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 17, 2016, 05:50:40 PM
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU)


Brad


The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 10:46:52 PM

Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.


In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build.  But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...


Ron



The Magnetic Flux Interactions in the WardForce Generator are very interesting to study Ron. Where one Flux is Relative to the Other! Changing the load can make a difference!

There is a lot to learn in this device, like I said, I found the WardForce Generator a great learning tool!

Perhaps, the most usefull is the Electromagnetic Induction component! Engineering the best output result for the most efficent Shaft Torque.

Honestly, the takedown video is not along the same lines as the orriginal device, this is misssing the small Air Gap, which is important!

The Video posted, is not the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 17, 2016, 11:42:46 PM

Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad

The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron




This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL’s Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned “Values” will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL’s Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total “Value” measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you’re right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 12:31:43 AM



A Coil's Inductance can vary greatly with the smallest change in Magnetic Field, so assuming the other parameters stay the same in a dynamically changing System is not a very safe bet!

The parametric Oscillator is dependent on the Inductance changing in the right direction during operation of the System. See Below Image:

Like I said, the Core Saturation reduces Inductance. The Coil is considered to become an Air Core at Saturation. So, a System that is the reverse, where the Inductance goes up as a result of the operation is more in line with a Parametric Oscillator.

The Inductance of a Coil is defined as:
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the property of an electric conductor or circuit that causes an electromotive force to be generated by a change in the current flowing.


A change in Current is the same as the change in the Magnetic Field! EMF is what we are looking to maximise and capitalise on.


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 03:18:07 AM
The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron





This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL’s Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned “Values” will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL’s Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total “Value” measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you’re right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


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As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.

You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.

Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.

These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.

Through replicating Luc's work(his latest DUT),we now have a way to see what the BackEMF value is--as the motor is running--on the fly,while increasing and decreasing the load on that motor.

Now that is useful--unlike that solenoid motor PL showed.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 03:32:27 AM
AC

How is that pulse motor coming along ?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 04:31:18 AM

As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.




Brad, I think you have miss understood.

The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow, this includes the DC Resistance (R) and also the Reactive (X) Components! so we might see 102 Ohms of Impedance (Z) to the Current (I) - Which is 12 (DC Resistance (R)) + 80 (Reactance (X)) = 102 Ohme (Ω).

This is what regulates the Current Flow through a Coil of Wire, over Time (t).




You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.



Of course this is right, as with all "Generators" Faradays Law is solid. After all thats what the Fly Back, or Inductive Kick Back is, the time rate of change of the Magnetic Field.




Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.

These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.



Yes, agreed, again, Lenz's Law is important! It is Energy in the Coil!!! Its Current with Potential, and yes we need to maximise this to the best of our abiity!!!

We dont want this to reflect directly back on our Input, however!!!

So, Defeating Lenz's Law is perhaps not the best term, thus the reason I bought forward the WardForce Generator. This machine shows how it is possible to redirect the Magnetic Field, so there is no direct reflection back on the Input, this enables the Rotor to Speed Up, and the higher the load, the faster the Rotor will spin. Not new I know, but as I said a good learning tool for those that want to learn. Its cheap and easy to build!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 18, 2016, 05:20:34 AM

snip
You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.

Brad


Ah yes, but then on each portion of the stroke you have a induced EMF, turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems. A plain steel plunger does not generate/induce on the return stroke. On the "power stroke" with a fixed center pin the plunger and fixed pin wish, very strongly, to unite and become the block wall. This is where the force is in a properly designed solenoid.


Mind you there is one experiment I have not tried yet and that is an external magnet, which seems to have a positive effect sometimes.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 05:23:26 AM


Brad, I think you have miss understood.



This is what regulates the Current Flow through a Coil of Wire, over Time (t).




Of course this is right, as with all "Generators" Faradays Law is solid. After all thats what the Fly Back, or Inductive Kick Back is, the time rate of change of the Magnetic Field.



Yes, agreed, again, Lenz's Law is important! It is Energy in the Coil!!! Its Current with Potential, and yes we need to maximise this to the best of our abiity!!!

We dont want this to reflect directly back on our Input, however!!!

So, Defeating Lenz's Law is perhaps not the best term, thus the reason I bought forward the WardForce Generator. This machine shows how it is possible to redirect the Magnetic Field, so there is no direct reflection back on the Input, this enables the Rotor to Speed Up, and the higher the load, the faster the Rotor will spin. Not new I know, but as I said a good learning tool for those that want to learn. Its cheap and easy to build!

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The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow, this includes the DC Resistance (R) and also the Reactive (X) Components! so we might see 102 Ohms of Impedance (Z) to the Current (I) - Which is 12 (DC Resistance (R)) + 80 (Reactance (X)) = 102 Ohme (Ω).

And what happens when there is a change in reactance value ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 05:36:54 AM




Mind you there is one experiment I have not tried yet and that is an external magnet, which seems to have a positive effect sometimes.


Ron

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Ah yes, but then on each portion of the stroke you have a induced EMF, turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems. A plain steel plunger does not generate/induce on the return stroke. On the "power stroke" with a fixed center pin the plunger and fixed pin wish, very strongly, to unite and become the block wall. This is where the force is in a properly designed solenoid.

Regardless of whether it is a steel piston,or a PM piston,it is still a generator when running,if not,what is charging the battery shown in the video?--yes,a generated current from the collapsing magnetic field. An inductor is a current source.
Second,as soon as current flows through the coil,the steel piston becomes a temporary magnet,that has an opposite field to that of the solenoid,if it did not,it would not be attracted to the field generated by the solenoid.

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turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems

And this is where the thinking is wrong.
Problems arise when there is no generating action. When you reduce or eliminate BackEMF,you make your self a bathroom heater.

I have just started building a solenoid motor,as i have not really built one before--only on a small scale. Once done,we will be able to swap out the PM piston for a steel,iron one,and we can then see which is more efficient,in both inductive kickback energy,and mechanical output power,for a given P./in.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 06:17:24 AM
And what happens when there is a change in reactance value ?


Reactance has two components, Inductive Reactance (XL) and Capacitive Reactance (XC) - So it really does depend on the Circuit and the Frequency with the Circuit's chosen "Values".

For example, when XL = XC, each cancel the other, and we have Resonance. But if the XL is predominant, then the power factor is lagging, inversely, Capacitive Reactance  (XC), then the power factor is leading.

So, what happens? It depends entirely on the Circuit, and the Frequency, but generally, we see an Impedance (Z), which is measured in Ohms (Ω) - This not entirely a Resistance so its worthy noting that calling this a resistance is not entirely correct, but looking at the definition:

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the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance.


Most people think of it as a Resistance.

But why? It, Reactance, is the "Resistance" to Change in the Circuit, Reactance, it reacts, in reverse, to the desired Change.


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 18, 2016, 07:46:16 AM
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad

Not a fan of Macrame (sic) Army hence I don't try to defend their actions or research.
But since we are talking about rubbish, I got news: technically speaking, the resistance of a coil does (sorry, I cannot spell it as "dose"), so  the resistance of a coil does change too, does not stay the same --LOL! With temperature! All because I read about bathroom heaters masqueraded as motors.

And since the science police didn't jump to correct the error, I got more news. I don't know where that "50Hz 10KVA Transformer" came up into discussion and I don't think erfinder is wasting his time on that frequency range (although I've seen a demonstration about amplifying harmonics content of a generator spun by hand). However back to the bathroom heater, an iron core will help raise the inductance, but I would ask politely the science police what is an iron core good for when is heated? Think Curie...

As I said, elementary school books. Those still tell the truth but people are selectively twisting the teachings.

As regarding Lenz, erfinder made public demonstrations about circumventing his Law. Who said thanks and then applying what has been learned? One might be gotoluc who took the idea and beat it to death in numerous lengthy tests and at the end ... silence. Nothing. Maybe he is busy now commercializing the idea, what do I know? Did he say thanks? Take a wild guess! Yeah it was a Oompa Loompa science from 19-th century applied by Tesla. But hey, if I didn't hear about that, it must be Oompa Loompa...

Science police... selective and it uses rude criticism.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 08:13:53 AM

As regarding Lenz, erfinder made public demonstrations about circumventing his Law.
Science police... selective and it uses rude criticism.


Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 18, 2016, 08:35:30 AM
snip...
The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow,
 snip...
You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 18, 2016, 09:09:17 AM
@Emj
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But why? It, Reactance, is the "Resistance" to Change in the Circuit, Reactance, it reacts, in reverse, to the desired Change.


On a note of interest, before the term "Reactance" was invented everyone called any resistance to change "Resistance". Which has led to a great deal of confusion when reading old patents because resistance meant ohmic resistance and reactance.


I think the terminology seems skewed, take Inductance for example...
Inductance: is the property of an electrical conductor by which a change in current through it induces an electromotive force in both the conductor itself and in any nearby conductors by mutual inductance.


Is Inductance a property, attribute or component of something which conducts electricity?. I would think it is a property of moving charged particles which produce a changing magnetic field which then produces a force on other charged particles. Yet when we read the definition is gives us literally no insight into what actually happens. For instance by definition we could say charged particles streaming from the Sun have the property of Inductance... what the hell does that mean?. How, why, when and where would seem to be completely missing in action and the term seems meaningless.


Inductance would seem to the property(electrical conduction) of another property (a changing field) of yet another completely different property (an Emf) which then acts on the first supposed property. All lumped into one neat tidy little package which reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail in the dark.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 18, 2016, 09:13:46 AM
Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands.


Brad

I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference.
The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.


Brad

Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 09:58:16 AM
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The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....

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I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference

Perhaps you do not understand english so well?
To quote:

As regarding Lenz, erfinder made public demonstrations about circumventing his Law

To circumvent--find a way around.

I repeat--Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands-you just dont know where to look.

So as to refresh your memory
Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.
Lenz's law is shown by the negative sign in Faraday's law of induction:
which indicates that the induced voltage and the change in magnetic flux  have opposite signs.[1] It is a qualitative law that specifies the direction of induced current but says nothing about its magnitude. Lenz's Law explains the direction of many effects in electromagnetism, such as the direction of voltage induced in an inductor or wire loop by a changing current, or why eddy currents exert a drag force on moving objects in a magnetic field.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 10:14:59 AM
I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference.
The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....

You just dont get it-do you.

Once again for your benefit.
Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.

What happens when we increase this opposition to change in an electric motor?
When is the greatest BackEMF induced?
What is it that reduces current flow in an electric motor?

What i stated is correct--i try to increase the field that opposes the change that produced it.
I try to increase Lenz
The more you try to reduce(circumvent) Lenz,the more inefficient your device becomes.
If there is no opposition to current flow(no Lenz)(no impedance),then current would rise to a maximum value instantly in a motor and inductor.
If there was no Lenz in a generator,there would be no current flow at all.
Is it sinking in now?.

Oh look-i circumvented Lenz  ::)
As i said,it can hide where it cant be seen-if your not looking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 10:24:36 AM
You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
Cheers



Hoptoad, there you go, thanks for correcting me! I am glad youre paying attention!

For others, I wrote a small app, I can share if you like?

Quote from: Chris Sykes

            double Ohms = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Volts, 2) + Math.Pow(Amps, 2)));

            double PhaseAngle = RadianToDegree(Math.Atan2(Volts, Amps));

            double Real = (Resistance * Math.Cos(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));

            double XL = (Resistance * Math.Sin(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));

            double Impedance = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Real, 2) + Math.Pow(XL, 2)));

            double Inductance = XL / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency);

            double Xc = 2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Inductance;

            double Capacitance = 1 / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Xc);



I really do appreaciate being corrected, I am not perfect although I do try...

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 10:57:09 AM
@Emj

On a note of interest, before the term "Reactance" was invented everyone called any resistance to change "Resistance". Which has led to a great deal of confusion when reading old patents because resistance meant ohmic resistance and reactance.


I think the terminology seems skewed, take Inductance for example...
Inductance: is the property of an electrical conductor by which a change in current through it induces an electromotive force in both the conductor itself and in any nearby conductors by mutual inductance.


Is Inductance a property, attribute or component of something which conducts electricity?. I would think it is a property of moving charged particles which produce a changing magnetic field which then produces a force on other charged particles. Yet when we read the definition is gives us literally no insight into what actually happens. For instance by definition we could say charged particles streaming from the Sun have the property of Inductance... what the hell does that mean?. How, why, when and where would seem to be completely missing in action and the term seems meaningless.


Inductance would seem to the property(electrical conduction) of another property (a changing field) of yet another completely different property (an Emf) which then acts on the first supposed property. All lumped into one neat tidy little package which reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail in the dark.


AC

Most definitely! The terminology is skewed! Almost by Design?

Inductance is one that I like to refer to the old definition of "Induct" or "To Induct", this sounds like rubbish, but to me it makes very good sense:

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Definitions

noun
1. the act of inducting or state of being inducted

2. the act of inducing

3. (in an internal-combustion engine) the part of the action of a piston by which mixed air and fuel are drawn from the carburettor to the cylinder

4. logic
a. a process of reasoning, used esp in science, by which a general conclusion is drawn from a set of premises, based mainly on experience or experimental evidence. The conclusion goes beyond the information contained in the premises, and does not follow necessarily from them. Thus an inductive argument may be highly probable, yet lead from true premises to a false conclusion

b. a conclusion reached by this process of reasoning. Compare deduction (sense 4)

5. the process by which electrical or magnetic properties are transferred, without physical contact, from one circuit or body to another. See also inductance

6. biology the effect of one tissue, esp an embryonic tissue, on the development of an adjacent tissue

7. biochemistry the process by which synthesis of an enzyme is stimulated by the presence of its substrate

8. mathematics, logic
a. a method of proving a proposition that all integers have a property, by first proving that 1 has the property and then that if the integer n has it so has n + 1

b. the application of recursive rules

9.
a. a formal introduction or entry into an office or position

b. (as modifier) ⇒ induction course, ⇒ induction period

10. US the formal enlistment of a civilian into military service

11. an archaic word for preface




Some amount of insight can be gained by generalising the use of the term, so I agree with you: "To Induce a flow of Charged Particles"

Of course this is the "EMF" the Electro motive Force! But alas, Voltage is only a Potential, and EMF by definition is: "a difference in potential that tends to give rise to an electric current." So realistically, we have no Flow of Charged Particles, but instead, we have the potential for the Flow of Charged Particles!

Completely different things!

I guess, the definition of Induction should change to: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow"

Because the Flow of Charged Particles is Current and One Ampere is termed as: 6.25 × 1018 per second, but this is MMF, Magneto Motive Force and not EMF...

MMF, Magneto Motive Force is defined as: "a quantity representing the sum of the magnetizing forces along a circuit." - Which is true, but 180 Degrees out of phase, and in the Math there is not direction of travel, because there is no need in some situations.

There is also nothing in the equations to state that any Time Rate of change is needed for a Flow of Current. Only Voltage.

So, to stop boring all here with lengthy definitions, and the question of accuracy of them, we really should question all of it intensely if we are serious about this. There is a very large area where Holes exist, and if one properly understands the terms and how the terms fit together, them more sense can be made from this field. But, until that point, there lays a road of confusion and circles.


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 11:15:02 AM
You just dont get it-do you.

Once again for your benefit.
Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.

What happens when we increase this opposition to change in an electric motor?
When is the greatest BackEMF induced?
What is it that reduces current flow in an electric motor?

What i stated is correct--i try to increase the field that opposes the change that produced it.
I try to increase Lenz
The more you try to reduce(circumvent) Lenz,the more inefficient your device becomes.
If there is no opposition to current flow(no Lenz)(no impedance),then current would rise to a maximum value instantly in a motor and inductor.
If there was no Lenz in a generator,there would be no current flow at all.
Is it sinking in now?.

Oh look-i circumvented Lenz  ::)
As i said,it can hide where it cant be seen-if your not looking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0

Brad



Brad is completely correct!!!

The ones here that choose not to understand this subject and deny the absolute most basic concepts of Science, and make big deal over temprature drifts, because they do not know any difference, are wrong!!!

I encourage you, do your own research, do your own experiments! Cross Check all what you are being told and learn for yourselves.

Current Flowing in a Coil constitutes a Magnetic Field, No Magnetic Field, No Current Flow, Period, will never in a Million Years change!!!

As was just discussed with AC:


I guess, the definition of Induction should change to: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow"


The critical part, is what you do with the Magnetic Field!!!

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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 11:56:20 AM

The induced voltage is greatest when rotor and stator fields are in quadrature relation. 

The induced, specifically the induced voltage and current together "regulate" the applied current.



In my opinion, which doesn't matter, till it does....what you are suggesting is exactly what I identified, and stated, you are amplifying the influence that this concept has on your system. This is purpose defeating, we (speaking for myself and those who know becuase they have seen) don't want to increase its influence, we want to decrease it and allow it to return to the system regulated state, thereby creating an oscillation in what would otherwise steady state (steady state used loosely) condition.  Chris asked an important question regarding the inductance of the coil but then takes a step in the wrong direction in saying that increasing it brings one more in line with a parametric oscillator, the opposite is true, it's far easier to drop the inductance than it is to increase it.  Try increasing the inductance to the degree that you can decrease it, observe that you cannot!  Swings on the order of 100:1 are accomplished with relative ease when you "DECREASE" versus increase. This is how you parametrically excite, and from here ferroresonance can manifest as a side effect, you don't even plan for it, it just happens.....



Seriously, the system is terribly inefficient because 90+ percent of the applied is being annihilated by the induced.  Your efficiency increases as you decrease its hold on the system. The thing is, you cannot, the thing to see is we are dealing with a wave, and as such we know how waves behave when they encounter an impedance.  Your mission is to establish the proper impedance for the wave, when the wave meets this impedance a second wave manifests which can be used to counteract the negative influence of the wave which induced it. This is how you negate the effect of lenz, my dogma.



Erfinder - I dissagree.

Take a Coil with a Core, measure the inductance.
Place a large Magnet on the Core, measure the Inductance.

What is the difference going to be, in what direction? Of course every Transformer in the world does the same thing and not any of them are Parametric Oscillators!!!

To your credit, you do have some points. You are completely correct when you said: "In my opinion".


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 12:17:33 PM



@AC - I find MMF interesting, we know the equation is: MMF (F) = Turns (N) X Current (I)

So when an EMF is "Generated", if we draw a current from this Potential to have a Current Flow, then the MMF (F) is 180 Degrees out of Phase, and also it is equal and opposite, ideally, to the Source.

So, the MMF, a Current (I) through Turns (N) has its own Magnetising Force in the opposing Direction, all at the same Time (t), then there is a strong case for the associated properties of the Magnetic Field doing Work well past the boundary of the detectable Magnetic Field itself!

What do you think?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 12:29:57 PM

The difference between us is I speak from my bench, and you from where you speak from, where you speak from isn't my bench.  I use the term opinion even though I am speaking from experience.

That to say this....by all means....disagree.


I just reread your post, and it hit me like a ton of bricks, you aren't familiar with dropping the inductance.  I never mentioned the use of magnets, nor implied anything about them, we aren't on the same page period.  You are disagreeing with something you have yet to verify yourself on the bench....I don't need magnets to manipulate the inductance of my system, nor do I need a change in current or flux...LOL.....  Furthermore, I disagree with you, every transformer, generator, and motor on the planet are parametric oscillators, that which differentiates them from those apparatus which can truly be classified as such is the amplitude of the oscillation.



Erfinder, yes, been there done that already - Graphed it - Publically avaliable on my site: http://www.hyiq.org/Updates/Update?Name=Update%2017-12-13

Guess what the Graph looks like?

Youre just too slow Erfinder!!! Wow you a good at talking!!! Shame its not reflected in your work!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 12:44:09 PM

Great.....a chart.  How about a simple demo of you decreasing the inductance of a coil... followed by an equally simple demo of you increasing the inductance of a coil.



DEMO:

Take the Core Out. WhaLa "decreasing the inductance"

Put the Core back in. WhaLa "increasing the inductance"


Erfinder, you try so hard, but still youre still stuck on the: "In my opinion" bit - Maybe tonight you will wake up and get it?

I do doubt it!!! Too full of Piffle and Dribble!!! You - BIBS - Believe in BS

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: A little more for you Dribble Boy: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Whats%20it%20going%20to%20take%20to%20Get%20OU%3F


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 01:00:27 PM

That is what you are a master at.....showing other people's work, and standing in the light they shine like the spotlight was turned on for you.  Instead of boasting like you've done something, and or are doing something, how about you actually do something.  Build something, show it off, something other than that circuit you claim is doing more than we know it's actually doing.




The answer is Clown!!!

Your Day Job, the only thing youre good at, is being a Clown!!!

You show no work, but brag about others work, with no understanding of it, so I am a step ahead of you there also.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 01:14:26 PM

If you say so....


I'll hold my breath while waiting for you to demonstrate something practical with all that "information" (we can get off google ourselves) you shower us with.




Hahaha - How long can someone hold their breath? 6 Minutes before Brain Death occurs?

Hahahaha - We shouldn’t joke about such things especially under these circumstances, almost certain history of Brain Death...

Hahaha - Oh dear there I go again, sorry... is that considered malicious, or just plain Funny???


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org




Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 18, 2016, 01:49:47 PM
Hahaha - How long can someone hold their breath? 6 Minutes before Brain Death occurs?
snip...
LOL. Sorry, but If you were drinking with me at a pub and I bet you I could hold my breath for 10 minutes, no problem, you'd lose
if you took the bet.
You see, I'd just drink what's left in my glass, take a deep breath, hold the glass to my mouth and exhale my
breath into it, then slide my hand over the top of the glass and hold it for the next ten minutes.
I didn't say how I'd hold my breath, only that I'd hold it!
LOL - Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 18, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
LOL. Sorry, but If you were drinking with me at a pub and I bet you I could hold my breath for 10 minutes, no problem, you'd lose
if you took the bet.
You see, I'd just drink what's left in my glass, take a deep breath, hold the glass to my mouth and exhale my
breath into it, then slide my hand over the top of the glass and hold it for the next ten minutes.
I didn't say how I'd hold my breath, only that I'd hold it!
LOL - Cheers

Only the glass is holding your breath,and you are holding the glass  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 18, 2016, 02:07:14 PM
Only the glass is holding your breath,and you are holding the glass  :D
Brad
LOL. Yep. And in my local pub's patron rules that'd be enough reason for another round of drinks. Paid for by the one with least support from everyone else at the bar. LOL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 18, 2016, 05:25:57 PM



Barbosi... what an interesting handle. Google translates best guess is that it is Romanian for "bearded"


In english bearded can mean "hidden", are you using it in this context? very clever!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 18, 2016, 07:47:10 PM
Yeah google does a poor job for a number of known languages: celtic, kannada, cree, manding, not to mention sanskrit.

What I find fascinating is "if we can decrease (with a magnet as an example) the inductance of a coil, where does that inductance go?" (Google cannot deliver an answer to that either and yet, they boast about driverless cars).

It's like a fat dude does some physical exercises and lose some weight. Where all that weight goes?

Like a fat magnetic field collapses, where does it goes?

The conservation law formulated for a layman says: nothing is lost, nothing is gained, all is transformed.

So if we lose inductance, then the said inductance is transformed in what?
When a current flows into an inductance, it generates magnetic field and the said inductance is immersed in its own magnetic field. Hence, the value of inductance has a lower value.

With this "paradox" in mind, one cannot refrain to ask the question: " A transformer... what it transforms?" It is not just semantics, people of the past used words with great care so the true workings of an idea are not lost.

An example of lost meaning we have today in the word "capacitor" as opposed to "condenser" as it was used in the past. As one can understand that a pulley is something used to pull, it will be confused when it uses capacitor. It capacitates what? While a condenser... We all know what a condenser does in the workings of a fridge. Can be same principle valid in electric circuits?

Tesla showed in his pancake coil that a regular coil posses a "capacitance" which is greatly revealed in the coil that makes the subject of his invention. Nowadays we all know that wire, a pair of wires, even a metal sphere have a capacitance, they teach us formulas for those too.

Back to the transformer, is it possible that the changing magnetic field is transformed into something else using a "condensation" method?
If that is true, the so called mutual induction mentioned earlier by AC can be "confused" as a capacitive transfer of energy. Can anyone truly say the difference?

Regards
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 18, 2016, 09:50:46 PM

Like a fat magnetic field collapses, where does it go?

Regards


Could it be that it goes back to the fourth dimension, from whence it came?


Ron
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1044169/pg1 (http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1044169/pg1)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 10:26:16 PM
Yeah google does a poor job for a number of known languages: celtic, kannada, cree, manding, not to mention sanskrit.

What I find fascinating is "if we can decrease (with a magnet as an example) the inductance of a coil, where does that inductance go?" (Google cannot deliver an answer to that either and yet, they boast about driverless cars).

It's like a fat dude does some physical exercises and lose some weight. Where all that weight goes?

Like a fat magnetic field collapses, where does it goes?

The conservation law formulated for a layman says: nothing is lost, nothing is gained, all is transformed.

So if we lose inductance, then the said inductance is transformed in what?
When a current flows into an inductance, it generates magnetic field and the said inductance is immersed in its own magnetic field. Hence, the value of inductance has a lower value.

With this "paradox" in mind, one cannot refrain to ask the question: " A transformer... what it transforms?" It is not just semantics, people of the past used words with great care so the true workings of an idea are not lost.

An example of lost meaning we have today in the word "capacitor" as opposed to "condenser" as it was used in the past. As one can understand that a pulley is something used to pull, it will be confused when it uses capacitor. It capacitates what? While a condenser... We all know what a condenser does in the workings of a fridge. Can be same principle valid in electric circuits?

Tesla showed in his pancake coil that a regular coil posses a "capacitance" which is greatly revealed in the coil that makes the subject of his invention. Nowadays we all know that wire, a pair of wires, even a metal sphere have a capacitance, they teach us formulas for those too.

Back to the transformer, is it possible that the changing magnetic field is transformed into something else using a "condensation" method?
If that is true, the so called mutual induction mentioned earlier by AC can be "confused" as a capacitive transfer of energy. Can anyone truly say the difference?

Regards




WHAT!!!

Inductance is not like a Bag of Sugar Erfinder! What a complete bunch or Verbal Rubbish!!!

Take an Inductance Meter, connect to a scope, look at the signal, what do you see?

Mine is  239.7Hz @ 35% Duty Cycle

Why? What’s the Signal DOING? What are we Measuring when we measure Inductance?

Does: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow" make any sense?

A Coils Inductance is simply a "Value" - A "Value" indicating the Potential for Induced Current, which is a Charged Particle Flow. What does Charged Particle Flow Constitute? Yes a Magnetic Field!

You Have a LONG WAY to go before an understanding of these concepts are available to you Erfinder!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 18, 2016, 11:02:02 PM


Ampere Turns (AT) = Turns (N) x Current (I) and Magnetomotive Force (MMF) = Turns (N) x Current (I) - As you can see the formula is the same. Ampere Turns is in Units of MMF.

In a Coil of Wire, with Turns (N) carrying Current (I) where the Current is Uniform and all moving in the same direction, what do you think the result would be? What would the effects of this Force be?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 18, 2016, 11:31:46 PM

Ampere Turns (AT) = Turns (N) x Current (I) and Magnetomotive Force (MMF) = Turns (N) x Current (I) - As you can see the formula is the same. Ampere Turns is in Units of MMF.

In a Coil of Wire, with Turns (N) carrying Current (I) where the Current is Uniform and all moving in the same direction, what do you think the result would be? What would the effects of this Force be?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Oh, that's fine and dandy but those formulas do not explain where magnetic field goes when it collapses, does it?

This guy explains it with same usefulness what you did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUh29nkLwao

Nice try, but I'm not convinced.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 19, 2016, 01:07:12 AM

where magnetic field goes when it collapses,


Rocket science  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3gjlskQOJ4


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 19, 2016, 01:51:45 AM
Rocket science  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3gjlskQOJ4


Brad

Funny, but no!

It's in the damn elementary books on electricity, you gonna feel silly when you'll see it, all have seen the picture.

It's about 2 fields in quadrature relationship...

Nothing yet? the junkie guy is not so junky if his ignores it...

No, nothing? What a hell, here is a picture:
http://helios.augustana.edu/~dr/102/img/17_07.jpg

And this is a third time I am helping you and so far I didn't get any thank you, but rather insults.

Regards.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 03:16:47 AM
Funny, but no!

It's in the damn elementary books on electricity, you gonna feel silly when you'll see it, all have seen the picture.

It's about 2 fields in quadrature relationship...

Nothing yet? the junkie guy is not so junky if his ignores it...

No, nothing? What a hell, here is a picture:
http://helios.augustana.edu/~dr/102/img/17_07.jpg

And this is a third time I am helping you and so far I didn't get any thank you, but rather insults.

Regards.



BarBozo - You are completely wrong!!!

Technically the image you show is wrong also.

Why?

Static Charges have no Net Magnetic Field associated with them!!! Static Dipole is also subject to the same criteria! This is why you’re wrong and don’t know the difference between the two!!!

You move the Charge, and now it is no longer static, then a Magnetic Field is associated with the Moving Charge!!!

Your Image should include a relative Velocity associated with the Charges and then it is Valid to have an associated Magnetic Field. So, Basic Text Book Concepts have fooled you into a situation where the hole you now sit in has no ladder out!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 19, 2016, 04:15:36 AM


BarBozo - You are completely wrong!!!

Technically the image you show is wrong also.

Why?

Static Charges have no Net Magnetic Field associated with them!!! Static Dipole is also subject to the same criteria! This is why you’re wrong and don’t know the difference between the two!!!

You move the Charge, and now it is no longer static, then a Magnetic Field is associated with the Moving Charge!!!

Your Image should include a relative Velocity associated with the Charges and then it is Valid to have an associated Magnetic Field. So, Basic Text Book Concepts have fooled you into a situation where the hole you now sit in has no ladder out!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

That's your skewed view on electricity. You learned electrostatics has nothing to do with electrodynamics and you swallowed that shit till the brains were squeezed out through the scalp pores. Then you combed. Damn!

But if you can make an intellectual exercise, replace those "charges" with wires?  Can you feel the familiar domain of electrodynamics, or really you want a picture from the beginning of the 20-th century? Do you recognize the fields now?
Now a quiz for you, science parrot: please identify by the color the fields and name them! I don't mean to be disrespectful about eventual physical abilities, but if you are color blind, let me know and I'll look for other picture in different shades. Internet is full of them I don't know how you could miss them. with wires too, not only electric charges.

As per the electrostatics, I prefer the works of the Master, and I attach a picture he used in his electrostatic experiments. Please enjoy the full description directly from the reading material, as you will find him completely describing his transformer. Please don't tell me that it has nothing to do with your prostitution you call partnered coils. I do this here because I don't feel spreading my but chicks over that topic too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Tesla-DisruptiveDischargeBox.png

Don't forget the quiz, truly yours,
barbosi


PS: about electrostatics the way you still need to learn, here is a link, scroll down to "Electric Force Example".
What is the force that can be obtained with 120W? 1.01 Million Tons!!!
In your face. And don't tell anything about not being electrostatics, go in top of the page again and read "Coulomb's Law". Made by some scientists from... read the web address.
And Tesla did not lie. It's only our sorry a$$es incapable to put together the concepts he left us.

Now slap yourself and quit drinking! You are not helping, your are confusing people!

Next !!!!!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 19, 2016, 06:56:19 AM
So many guru's
So few working devices

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 07:10:50 AM



BarBozo - Your filthy Drivel is just ridiculous! Compensating for something are we?

I am very familiar with Electrostatics and also Electrodynamics, in fact, perhaps more familiar than you may ever realise!

In all of Electrodynamics, Velocity (V) is defined as part of the Dynamical Formula's relative to Time (t) - The sooner you realise this, the less stupid you will look!

In the image you posted, to which you refer to, if the Charged Particles are moving concentrically around the common central point with Velocity (V) over the Course of Time (t) then we will see Field's, both Electric (Red) and Magnetic (Green) - But there is no indication of a Dynamic System, in the Image you posted, as I already pointed out!!! Which means it’s Static, and Wrong!


Below I show the work of another, 1878 is the date of publication, a very well-known Author: James Clerk Maxwell - A Treatise on Electricity and Magnetism - Notice the very clear indications of a Electrodynamic System! EG: "Circular Current"

This may be worth a bit more than your "Scroll Down To" rubbish! You’re completely full of Rubbish! Tesla studied the work of others, one being the works of Maxwell, let’s not forget that! Yes Tesla was a brilliant Man, but a Man he was. You take Tesla's work completely out of context and make wild assumptions on it, clearly not understanding most all of it!

Thus the Air Core 50Hz 10KVA Transformer that you and Erfinder worked on, it will fail because of your miss-understandings of Tesla’s work.

You assume far too much and gamble on bad bets! Thus you’re strange Post with bad spelling and words put out of context.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 08:11:03 AM
So many guru's
So few working devices

Brad



Yes, we humans are stuck in our destructive ways aren’t we!

We don’t care for each other the way we should, after all we are all brothers and sisters! Maybe that’s the problem, sibling rivalry, bickering between siblings.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 08:41:53 AM




Dear Barbosi - See Image for the Electrodynamic version of your Image:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on September 19, 2016, 09:58:37 AM
Hi Chris, I'm assuming that field pattern is when the coil is being pulsed with a power supply.
What will the pattern look like when being induced by a single magnetic rotor of all the same field,
the magnets being spaced so one is reaching the coil as the other is leaving the coil?
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 10:32:47 AM
Hi Chris, I'm assuming that field pattern is when the coil is being pulsed with a power supply.
What will the pattern look like when being induced by a single magnetic rotor of all the same field,
the magnets being spaced so one is reaching the coil as the other is leaving the coil?
artv


Hey ArtV - Yes, the arrow on the single loop of wire indicates a flow of Current, which constitutes a Magnetic Field. This is the Electrodynamic System because of the Change over Time of the Charge in this case. The Charge is not Static, it has motion and it takes time.

I am being picky and Barbosi was implying an Electrodynamic System, but I wanted to point out there is a massive difference! Barbosi does have some good arguments and is right in the Transformation of one form of energy to another. I was giving him some of the Science Police Baton.

I think its important to question everything untill it is understood! Even then, keep questioning!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 19, 2016, 11:40:01 AM
Funny, but no!

It's in the damn elementary books on electricity, you gonna feel silly when you'll see it, all have seen the picture.

It's about 2 fields in quadrature relationship...

Nothing yet? the junkie guy is not so junky if his ignores it...

No, nothing? What a hell, here is a picture:
http://helios.augustana.edu/~dr/102/img/17_07.jpg

And this is a third time I am helping you and so far I didn't get any thank you, but rather insults.

Regards.

But what about my lenz free generator ?  :D

I mean,is that not what was so great about Jim Murrays dynaflux generator?-no load reflected on the prime mover when a load was drawn from the generator  ;D

Like i said-you get it all mixed up,and you dont know what you are looking at,and you dont know where to look.
So much talk,and nothing to show for such great wisdom  ::),while those that try to explain thins ,and show what is what on the bench,are told they do not know what they are talking about.
If i did not know better,i would say your a member of the Macrame Army--this is how they work--these are the things they miss,or simply are to stupid to know what to look for,or where to look for it.

Once again--a reduction of force placed on the prime mover,when a load is placed on the generator-->by by Lenz--!!right!!  :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 19, 2016, 05:45:36 PM
No.

One last chance to prove your worth as wannabe-guru.
I'll rephrase: Please name the fields around a conductor when is connected to a power source (battery).
Hint: There are 2 fields, you should know them from school books.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 19, 2016, 07:31:51 PM

You were not addressing me, however, your post was the perfect opprotunity for me to share something which will only resonate with a select few.  It has taken what feels like a lifetime to feel what they left for us to find and make our own.  I continue to make that which is/was theirs mine.  The following was distilled from a decade of tireless contemplation, it is theirs made mine. Exchange the right word, with the right word, and one can begin to engineer the philosophical.


The tank informs one where magnetism goes.  The tank informs one that magnetism has no existence, no purpose, no function outside of that of Fulcrum for that which extends from-toward, toward-from Fulcrum.  That which extends from Fulcrum is not the facilitator of the simultaneous-sequential action-reaction, it is the simultaneous-sequential action reaction, Fulcrum is cause.  That which is projected from Fulcrum is that which we must seek to comprehend and understand, and through this effort, through our gained understanding, reunite that which emerges from Fulcrum as a duality into a unity, and simulate Source, simulate Fulcrum. 

Regards


Different words perhaps but getting close.


It starts to become more clear when you work with vibration and how length is vibration, for example the ancients and their use of Ra tubes. Then you can learn to feel the energy. This then opens up the field to the "you" factor and why certain inventors, who have made the 'connection', have devices that only work for themselves.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: SolarLab on September 19, 2016, 07:32:46 PM
F.Y.I.

The following links (information) may assist in your studies and further understanding:

SELF-ELECTRIC : electrodynamic induction
http://electromaster.ru/modules/myarticles/article.php?storyid=42 (http://electromaster.ru/modules/myarticles/article.php?storyid=42)
[[Article in Russian - use "Im Webpage Translator" or your favourite language translator]]

=====

THEORY OF THE ЕН AND HZ ANTENNAS
http://www.unconv-association.org/sites/unconventional/files/publications/EH_HZ.pdf (http://www.unconv-association.org/sites/unconventional/files/publications/EH_HZ.pdf)

Follow up information:

A new type of electromagnetic radiation?
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.unconv-association.org/sites/unconventional/files/publications/korobeinikov1/1.htm (https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.unconv-association.org/sites/unconventional/files/publications/korobeinikov1/1.htm)

Antennas  (EH)
http://www.qrz.ru/schemes/contribute/antenns/eh/&usg=ALkJrhgSisetumACEfhgygWBc0mQQeVXgQ (http://www.qrz.ru/schemes/contribute/antenns/eh/&usg=ALkJrhgSisetumACEfhgygWBc0mQQeVXgQ)

Magnetic antenna for ultra-long radio
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.qrz.ru/schemes/contribute/antenns/eh/&usg=ALkJrhgSisetumACEfhgygWBc0mQQeVXgQ (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.qrz.ru/schemes/contribute/antenns/eh/&usg=ALkJrhgSisetumACEfhgygWBc0mQQeVXgQ)

Truth and fiction EH-Antenna
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.qrz.ru/articles/detail.phtml%3Fid%3D282&usg=ALkJrhjj2UFx_5IoZ9fA20JEI9uplsHvLw (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.qrz.ru/articles/detail.phtml%3Fid%3D282&usg=ALkJrhjj2UFx_5IoZ9fA20JEI9uplsHvLw)

The theory of relativity and the related problems (Articles)
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://n-t.ru/tp/pp.htm  (https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://n-t.ru/tp/pp.htm)

Upon reviewing these articles, their relation to this subject hopefully will become apparent.

FIN

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 19, 2016, 11:14:09 PM
No.

One last chance to prove your worth as wannabe-guru.
I'll rephrase: Please name the fields around a conductor when is connected to a power source (battery).
Hint: There are 2 fields, you should know them from school books.



Dear Old Barbozo, partner in Science Crime of Erfinder and lover of Mistruths,

You have a clear direction of trying to prove others inferior - Why?

We sit and read your posts and just laugh at your silliness!

If you could read, you would already see that your silliness has been addressed and answered for you. But alas you are stuck in your sill childish game, trying to prove something!

You, and your partner in Science Crimes against Humanity are just a distraction! Have nothing and will always have nothing!



   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 19, 2016, 11:32:59 PM
How about not wasting pages with posts of just insulting one another. Its getting very tiring.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 20, 2016, 12:34:43 AM
No.

One last chance to prove your worth as wannabe-guru.
I'll rephrase: Please name the fields around a conductor when is connected to a power source (battery).
Hint: There are 2 fields, you should know them from school books.

What kind of inductor?--is it open at each end,or a toroid?
Is the current changing in time,or is it at a static value?
How is the inductor wound?

These are the things a school book would explain,that you have left out.  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2016, 02:53:49 AM
That's your skewed view on electricity. You learned electrostatics has nothing to do with electrodynamics and you swallowed that shit till the brains were squeezed out through the scalp pores. Then you combed. Damn!

But if you can make an intellectual exercise, replace those "charges" with wires?  Can you feel the familiar domain of electrodynamics, or really you want a picture from the beginning of the 20-th century? Do you recognize the fields now?
Now a quiz for you, science parrot: please identify by the color the fields and name them! I don't mean to be disrespectful about eventual physical abilities, but if you are color blind, let me know and I'll look for other picture in different shades. Internet is full of them I don't know how you could miss them. with wires too, not only electric charges.

As per the electrostatics, I prefer the works of the Master, and I attach a picture he used in his electrostatic experiments. Please enjoy the full description directly from the reading material, as you will find him completely describing his transformer. Please don't tell me that it has nothing to do with your prostitution you call partnered coils. I do this here because I don't feel spreading my but chicks over that topic too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Tesla-DisruptiveDischargeBox.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Tesla-DisruptiveDischargeBox.png)

Don't forget the quiz, truly yours,
barbosi


PS: about electrostatics the way you still need to learn, here is a link, scroll down to "Electric Force Example".
What is the force that can be obtained with 120W? 1.01 Million Tons!!!
In your face. And don't tell anything about not being electrostatics, go in top of the page again and read "Coulomb's Law". Made by some scientists from... read the web address.
And Tesla did not lie. It's only our sorry a$$es incapable to put together the concepts he left us.

Now slap yourself and quit drinking! You are not helping, your are confusing people!

Next !!!!!


Hello barbosi,
could you give me/us the link to this surprising numbers
"120 W (giving) 1,01 Mio. Tons (compression/expansion force/pressure)"
 normally only receiveable by nuclear reactors ! Condensate : Einstein-Bose ? Capacitor is also called Condensator : 2-plates field force
                                      Bethe-Weizsaecker Formula
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spektrum.de%2Flexikon%2Fphysik%2Fbethe-weizsaecker-formel%2F1493&edit-text=
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 20, 2016, 03:39:26 AM
IancaIV


It is well known the electrostatic force is very large. I believe the numbers say if we had two 1 m^2 plates spaced 1 meter apart and moved 1 ampere of current of opposite charges to each plate the force of attraction generated would be 1 million tons. This cannot be done for obvious reasons however that does not change the fact the forces are extremely large.


In another example if we took a cube of aluminum as big as a sugar cube and separated all the charges in it 1 meter apart the force of attraction would be 32 million million million pounds. Equivalent to the force applied by the weight of a cube of steel 76 miles high, 76 miles wide and 76 miles long.


I know all these things from memory because my primary field of expertise is electrostatics outside the context of my occupation as an Engineer. Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored however electrostatics is still considered the black arts in many circles. We have much to learn in this area.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on September 20, 2016, 10:56:10 AM
Quote from: Erfinder
I have an idea which should put us all back on the path of finding that which brings us here.  Inspired by the pulse motor build off intro videos, we could present our best working idea on the topic of motor-generators.  No schematics, no measurement data, no measurement instruments, just a brief description of your concept, followed by a brief demonstration of the same.


Okay, Concept:

Using a simple non-switched DC current source passed through a conductive wire or other material of the size and shape necessary, convert the rotational field that emanates from this conductor into a rotational mechanical force upon a shaft.


Implementation:

The hard part yes.  Myself, I cannot see the mechanism needed to mesh with and gear down this rotational field without extreme friction (resistance) as the velocity of this field is unknown but likely extremely fast.  The concept of gearing, a.k.a. impedance matching must be effectively mastered, knowing that impedance to be the ratio of voltage to current.  This transformation then becomes a relative abstraction from the micro (beyond atomic in scale) to normal human size physical objects.  The device responsible for this transformation will effectively integrate electrical and mechanical constructs into a complete demonstration prototype unifying natural phenomena with physical reality.



All I can say is this makes my head hurt to even think about it, but if there is a player out there that wants to bring their A-game to the table and build such a device, you have my full support.  A ball bearing motor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfwPaZFR-c) may be a minimalistic starting point.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2016, 11:09:38 AM
electro-static,mesh,Tesla:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=48&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157263A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=48&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157263A&KC=A)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=49&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=49&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220710&CC=GB&NR=157262A&KC=A)


My posts are ever my own work related.


I understand the first device,developed with him,Jorge Ferreira and I realized the
"Imris capacitive winding",has been part from a project with the participation from Dr.Pavel Imris,  but not the two next.

The Traun-papers has become also bespoken,during the question/answer re-/search,but several years before this project.
 
           relationship : Unit Tesla and Unit Torr
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 20, 2016, 12:01:16 PM

Okay, Concept:

Using a simple non-switched DC current source passed through a conductive wire or other material of the size and shape necessary, convert the rotational field that emanates from this conductor into a rotational mechanical force upon a shaft.


Implementation:

The hard part yes.  Myself, I cannot see the mechanism needed to mesh with and gear down this rotational field without extreme friction (resistance) as the velocity of this field is unknown but likely extremely fast.  The concept of gearing, a.k.a. impedance matching must be effectively mastered, knowing that impedance to be the ratio of voltage to current.  This transformation then becomes a relative abstraction from the micro (beyond atomic in scale) to normal human size physical objects.  The device responsible for this transformation will effectively integrate electrical and mechanical constructs into a complete demonstration prototype unifying natural phenomena with physical reality.



All I can say is this makes my head hurt to even think about it, but if there is a player out there that wants to bring their A-game to the table and build such a device, you have my full support.  A ball bearing motor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfwPaZFR-c) may be a minimalistic starting point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on September 20, 2016, 12:56:56 PM



For the tinman,one of my builds exported to Germany.
Bickers Court Oscar.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 20, 2016, 03:15:36 PM


For the tinman,one of my builds exported to Germany.
Bickers Court Oscar.


Lol-here he is  :D
Where ya been Minnie ?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 20, 2016, 03:27:38 PM
New window motor up and running.
Check out the H wave.
What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 20, 2016, 03:53:39 PM

Hello barbosi,
could you give me/us the link to this surprising numbers
"120 W (giving) 1,01 Mio. Tons (compression/expansion force/pressure)"
 

Sorry I forgot the link:
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 20, 2016, 05:18:41 PM
Thanks for request answer but for me this does not let me enter to this hyperphysics theme !
Probably later.


Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 20, 2016, 07:23:40 PM
New window motor up and running.
Check out the H wave.
What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?


Brad


Beautiful build Brad. I would say coil placement to answer your question


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 20, 2016, 09:12:30 PM
Hi Brad,

I'll throw my guesses in here also.  I believe you are running your motor in attraction mode.  You are firing the coil as the magnet approaches for a pretty short pulse.  That is the narrow pulse.  Then as the magnet passes the coil you get the hump in the middle.  I also think you have the magnet set on edge so that as one pole approaches the coil when the magnet passes the middle of the coil the other pole will be leaving the coil.  I have done this before and it gives you a nice signal with no change in polarity.  Very nice build!

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 21, 2016, 12:40:04 AM
 author=webby1 link=topic=15307.msg492283#msg492283 date=1474396054]




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That it gives you a scope shot without being connected?

It is connected

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Is the motor running?


Yes,it is running-thought the frequency and trace on the scope would tell you that.

 
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and why is there that non used piece between the battery and motor bearing stand?

That is the relay timer circuit for the cap dump system-yet to be installed. There is a generating coil to go on top of the rotor,and this will fill caps,and then dump that stored energy back into the run battery.Remember-a well built pulse motor will not draw more power when a load is placed on it,and so any energy generated by the rotor ,comes at no extra cost.

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I also assume that you are running with a center tapped drive coil with the center tap connected to the center connection of the series batteries,, and maybe your magnet pole orientation is rotated 90 degrees.

No,the HV MOT coil is split into two coil's,where one half is the trigger coil,and the other half is the drive coil.

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And while I'm at it,, maybe your truck needs an oil change?  Tires rotated,, man that would be a lot of wheel nuts if ALL of them heeded it.

No-dont drive trucks anymore  ;)

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I like the way it looks like a house with a chimney :)

The !famous! H wave lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 21, 2016, 12:52:53 AM





One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 21, 2016, 01:29:17 AM
 author=citfta link=topic=15307.msg492287#msg492287 date=1474398750]


Hi Carroll

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I'll throw my guesses in here also.  I believe you are running your motor in attraction mode.

The motor is being run in attraction and repulsion mode,as the magnetic field is alternating.
I have two large crescent shaped magnets from a DC motor glued to the rotor. This means that while the coil is pushing one away,it is also pulling the other toward it.

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You are firing the coil as the magnet approaches for a pretty short pulse.  That is the narrow pulse.

The scope trace gives us quite a bit of information. The scope probe is across the collector/emitter junction. The narrow pulse you see is the inductive kickback pulse,and the large hump after that,is generated current from the drive coil,that is also charging the charge battery.
The scope trace tells us that
1-the battery being charged has a very low impedance (or internal resistance),and is quite healthy,as the inductive kickback spike is being clamped quite well at near the series voltage of the run and charge batteries. If the charge battery was badly sulphated,then both the inductive kickback spike,and hump after that,would show a much higher voltage value--remember,the V/max on the scope is showing the series voltage of both batteries,as they are connected in series.
2-Most of the energy being sent to the charge battery(in this case),is not from the inductive kickback,but from the generated power of the passing magnet over the coil-->the large hump after the small spike
3-the trace also tells us we are running very close to a 50% duty cycle.

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I also think you have the magnet set on edge so that as one pole approaches the coil when the magnet passes the middle of the coil the other pole will be leaving the coil.

This is mostly correct,but where as i have two  magnets set in an alternating pattern,but the results are the same.

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Very nice build!

Thank you,but she is not finished yet. ;)
Still have a generator coil to go on top,and the cap dump system to finish

So,some quick power calculations show that i am sending 81% of the P/in to the charge battery.
This means that i only have to be able to generate 19% of the input power,and send it back to the run battery,with my (to come) cap dump system.
Once we do that,we have a self runner-right  :D. Well as small as that 19% sounds,having tried this before,i know it is a very big ask. There is also the fact that lead acid and AGM batteries,only have about an 80% charge efficiency,where you would need to send 100 amp hours to the battery,to get only 80 amp hours out of it,as there is about a 20% loss in charging these batteries. So we are actually looking for around another 39% of the input power-just to gain unity ::)-but who knows how that will change,having the small inductive spike in there as well.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 21, 2016, 01:35:15 AM




One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron

Hi Ron
Seems to run quite smooth--nice build.
What are the two meters showing?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 21, 2016, 01:36:51 AM

Beautiful build Brad. I would say coil placement to answer your question


Ron

Thanks Ron.
I still have the cap dump system to finish,and the gen coil to be placed on top of the rotor.

magnet answer in reply to Carroll.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 21, 2016, 02:22:44 AM




One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM (https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM)


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron


I've always admired your handy work.  Looks  good.


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 21, 2016, 02:24:00 AM




One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron



Hi Ron - Beautiful!!!

I know you are well versed in these areas, but if I may say, look at the magnetic Fields, see whats happening to them. If you have a Magnetic Probe, check the Field in the Gap while placing different load resistances on the device.

You can see in your video, there is a very slight slow down with load, then speed picks back up again.

The Gap you have, between the poles, if it can be adjusted, then this can change the observable behaviours of the running of the machine.

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

Very nice Ron!!! Thumbs up as always from me!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 21, 2016, 02:27:12 AM
Hey Brad
S[/size][size=78%]
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[/size]o,some quick power calculations show that i am sending 81% of the P/in to the charge battery.[/font]This means that i only have to be able to generate 19% of the input power,and send it back to the run battery,with my (to come) cap dump system.[/size]Once we do that,we have a self runner-right  . Well as small as that 19% sounds,having tried this before,i know it is a very big ask. There is also the fact that lead acid and AGM batteries,only have about an 80% charge efficiency,where you would need to send 100 amp hours to the battery,to get only 80 amp hours out of it,as there is about a 20% loss in charging these batteries. So we are actually looking for around another 39% of the input power-just to gain unity -but who knows how that will change,having the small inductive spike in there as well.


This is where the one input/output cap would really shine in my opinion. No calculations to speak of, no non-sinusoidal wave forms meters have trouble with and no dissecting of wave forms to calculate power . Simply one capacitor which either loses voltage or gains voltage. It is also very easy to measure efficiency as whatever the external DC input is to the capacitor to maintain the voltage which drives the system are the losses in the system. Think of it as a free energy meter and if the input ever approaches zero and beyond... well then your the man.


We all know the drill and generally every circuit element invokes losses...so it may be that less is more. If it does not add to the generation function then discard it and if it does expand on it. Nice clean build.


AC



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 21, 2016, 03:05:14 AM
Hi Ron
Seems to run quite smooth--nice build.
What are the two meters showing?


Brad


The meter on the left shows output voltage... the right hand meter shows input amps, well, mV over the shunt. The shunt is 50 mV = 25 amps.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 21, 2016, 05:14:48 AM


Hi Ron - Beautiful!!!

I know you are well versed in these areas, but if I may say, look at the magnetic Fields, see whats happening to them. If you have a Magnetic Probe, check the Field in the Gap while placing different load resistances on the device.

You can see in your video, there is a very slight slow down with load, then speed picks back up again.

The Gap you have, between the poles, if it can be adjusted, then this can change the observable behaviours of the running of the machine.

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

Very nice Ron!!! Thumbs up as always from me!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks Chris!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on September 21, 2016, 11:58:51 AM
New window motor up and running.

What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?

Brad

It looks just like a house ??

 :)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 21, 2016, 10:47:03 PM

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.


I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'


For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)

In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)

And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!

Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.

Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 21, 2016, 11:10:25 PM
Excuse me,i_ron,but how you like to describe your progress this let me remembering about the kind of description from Carlos Subieta Garron in his paper 1969 !
I will offer his paper for comparing
https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442 (https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442)



I saw that his nephew did a progress : http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html (http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text=)

I do not offend you,I am also interested in progress !
Here the nephew patent publication,for me also new,so I will not comment it !
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092


If you see who did refered/cited the other work from this bolivian inventor you will not become angry or underestimated:
https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141 (https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141)
http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers (http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 22, 2016, 01:20:26 AM
Excuse me,i_ron,but how you like to describe your progress this let me remembering about the kind of description from Carlos Subieta Garron in his paper 1969 !
I will offer his paper for comparing
https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442 (https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442)



I saw that his nephew did a progress : http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html (http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text=)

I do not offend you,I am also interested in progress !
Here the nephew patent publication,for me also new,so I will not comment it !
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092 (http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092)


If you see who did refered/cited the other work from this bolivian inventor you will not become angry or underestimated:
https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141 (https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141)
http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers (http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers)


Thank you for your interest and the links. Very interesting. Kind of takes this to a new level. It reminds me of another magnet assisted by an electromagnet motor ... I can't remember the name?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 22, 2016, 01:26:04 AM
 author=Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg492341#msg492341 date=1474473113]


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Is this your best motor-generator concept?

Lol,no
Im just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.

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Is this the best you have to offer on how one "can" deal with Lenz

Again-no.
I do not !deal! with Lenz--i encourage it  ;)
That is nothing more than a simple window motor-a motor that has little use,but fun to build.

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I see this wave you are demonstrating and I see what I have always seen, I see what we are always shown, and I say to myself, this can't be all he has to offer.  I say that because I am no one in the eyes of those who speak with authority.  I have nothing they say....I beg the differ....I too have a wave, a wave that looks like a house, an H wave....My position here is the same as it was when I was talking about this with those who cheerlead the "window motor" as its inventor presents it.  I told them as I am telling you, you people don't see what he sees.  The message is wasted on you.  Your wave.....is not what we are after, and as cruel as this may sound, I am not trying to offend you, nor downplay your effort.  I am simply telling it like no one else will.

The H wave is nothing special,and is what we would expect to see. Mine just has a very large generating phase after the inductive spike,due to the rotor design being used-which in itself,is nothing special.

There was very little effort placed on this build,in fact,it was just a 2 hour project-yet to be completed.

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You like my cheesy videos, you are going to love this cheesy photo....A video will follow.  Keep in mind, this is not my best.....this is me smelling the roses as I was strolling through the park one day.  I know..big talk for a fuzzy photo with no data....I do this on purpose.  Keep an eye out for the video, I will show you what a BS science understanding allows an umpa loompa to do with a properly engineered apparatus..

Not going to take a guess at what the scope shot is showing,as there are many devices,and many ways to produce such a trace. If i narrow my on time,and place the probe across the drive coil of my window motor,the trace would look much the same as the one you present.

Im not into the umpa loompa science--that is between you and EMJ  :D

Looking forward to your video.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 22, 2016, 04:30:43 AM

As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.


I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'


For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)

In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)

And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!

Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.

Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)

Ron



Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you’re explaining!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on September 22, 2016, 08:13:34 AM
Hey Brad
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Im just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.


Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 22, 2016, 11:17:47 AM



I am sorry to hear about your Horse AC!

It is sad, In a better place now!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 22, 2016, 12:07:11 PM
Hey Brad

Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC

Well,must have been the day to put down our beloved pet's,as we had to put one of our dogs down today--such is life :(

But i must say,i am confused about the rest of your post,as this was your idea of a friendly little comp.
To quote post 264
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.

And post 493
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.

One minute you are going to show us how it's all done,and the next,your not interested in the very competition you set the rules for--you no longer wish to show us how it's done ???

Oh well-what ever.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 22, 2016, 05:28:57 PM


Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you’re explaining!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks Chris, even at 81 I still occasionally run on ego... and that was a big boost, LOL


Love those old pics! them old boys knew their stuff.


A couple of clarifications for those following this. I mentioned rotor cogging at the gap... well that was without the end bars and the cogging "nearly" went away with end bars in place, duh. Next, I an only using one end bar (core) as with two, the flux strength is neatly divided in half so it is my suspicion that I can get max output from one coil as with two coils in parallel??? any ideas?

Will dig out the Gauss meter today...

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 22, 2016, 10:45:06 PM
Well,must have been the day to put down our beloved pet's,as we had to put one of our dogs down today--such is life :(

But i must say,i am confused about the rest of your post,as this was your idea of a friendly little comp.
To quote post 264
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.

And post 493
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.

One minute you are going to show us how it's all done,and the next,your not interested in the very competition you set the rules for--you no longer wish to show us how it's done ???

Oh well-what ever.


Brad



Brad, sorry to hear about your Dog. Its sad when your loved ones pass.

On another note, I am up for a Motor Build off, you start the Thread with rules... Or if you like I can throw up a dedicated site with access for all keen?

My motor skills are very poor! I will not win!!! But its still going to be fun ;)

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 22, 2016, 10:58:40 PM

Thanks Chris, even at 81 I still occasionally run on ego... and that was a big boost, LOL


Love those old pics! them old boys knew their stuff.


A couple of clarifications for those following this. I mentioned rotor cogging at the gap... well that was without the end bars and the cogging "nearly" went away with end bars in place, duh. Next, I an only using one end bar (core) as with two, the flux strength is neatly divided in half so it is my suspicion that I can get max output from one coil as with two coils in parallel??? any ideas?

Will dig out the Gauss meter today...

Ron



Hey Ron - Mate, good on you!!! We are all welcome to a little Ego Boost from time to time!!! ;)

Yes Sir! Those old Dynamo's, some 100+ Years old are just works of Art! The Design, the craftsmanship, the care taken on the little fittings, they are beautiful machines! Below, my most favorite of all:

With the second End Bar, if you have one, it may be worth fitting, run the experiments.

You have build a beautiful machine Ron!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 23, 2016, 12:30:36 AM


I have put a basic site up if anyone is keen to enter? Register if you want to Enter!!!

URL: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/)

Its only new, DNS may be propagating still, so some may not be able to visit just yet, keep trying, it will work as soon as DNS is done.

Please let me know and we can add/remove information as needed.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on September 23, 2016, 01:20:59 AM
Some have expressed their wish to learn. I don't think learning should be confused with memorization process, and it's rather based on comprehension. And comprehension comes after individual exploration at great depths, as result of individual particular questions one may ask him/herself.

Depending on individual readiness in exploring the electricity, as I consider a “student” myself, I dare to share with you the others a condensed  presentation of what we have missed. These information are not contained in any mainstream books, there are no formulas nor take-out quotes.

As we are on our own, we can become inventors or continue as spectacular mediocrities, the only critic being our own work - a novelty or a copycat (with all its variations).

The following links some of you may find interesting or boring, intriguing or crazy, approachable or impossible, "the missing link" or "missed my time", however I wish you all the best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KooPsEE7E-Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9S3ikiL3Ow

Regards
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2016, 03:47:51 AM
He guys. An off topic question

Im discussing the cap to cap deal with a youtuber. 

Now in previous discussions on this, if I remember correctly, when we do the identical cap to cap deal, we lose 50% of the total energy. Correct?

Well back then I believe that when we change the values of the caps, one larger and one smaller, or even the other way around, that the total energy outcome becomes less than the 50% loss. Correct?   

Now this guy brought up something that was even stranger to me.

He said he did the experiment using a 350F cap at 12v, and did the cap to cap with an 82uf cap and ended up with 11.9v in each. Here is the strange part for me...

I did the calculations. As I can see it, we did lose less than 50% as shown below. He claims we still lost 50% total, but he is wrong there, but.....

350f  12v  25200J

350F  11.9v  24781J    and the 82uf cap at 11.9v was .0058J

So we didnt lose 50% in total, but it seems we lost a tremendous amount in the transfer.

In the 350F cap we lost 419J and only ended up with 5.8mJ or .0058J  :o   What the heck????

We lost a lot in that transfer, did we not?? Im not talking about total losses as in we lost half of the 25200J, but the loss in the transfer and what we ended up with in the 82uf cap seems like a very huge cost to charge that little cap.  Am I doing something wrong here?? I used 2 different online calculators and the same results.

So now Im not concerned with the 50% loss any longer with identical caps.

We were arguing about the 50%, and I described the same example using 1 large cap and on small cap. Yes, we did not lose 50% in total. But this what Im saying above seems a bit more shocking considering.   The efficiency of what we used from the larger cap compared to what we ended up with in the smaller cap dwarfs the idea of the original 50% loss subject. To me anyway, so far.

Has anyone dealt with this situation before? Or am I just freaking out over nothing??

Mags :o
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: MileHigh on September 23, 2016, 04:55:19 AM
Don't use an online calculator, use your own brains to figure it out.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 23, 2016, 06:32:12 AM

Thank you for your interest and the links. Very interesting. Kind of takes this to a new level. It reminds me of another magnet assisted by an electromagnet motor ... I can't remember the name?


Ron

Was that the one called-gap power?--or something like that.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 23, 2016, 05:04:58 PM

Was that the one called-gap power?--or something like that.

Brad


Nope, it was more like the parallel path thing where the magnet and the electromagnet came on together for two times (four times?) force.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 23, 2016, 05:18:52 PM
Flynn brothers developments (un-)publicated ,known and publicated from their "Magnetic Revolution" time :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=5710493A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19980120&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=5710493A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19980120&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


sortiment:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=magnetic&IN=charles+flynn&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=magnetic&IN=charles+flynn&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 23, 2016, 08:09:04 PM





Ward Farce update...


Same format as before, (being just the difference between loaded and unloaded) Only this is with two coils in series


2243 RPM, in 9.8 watts, out 9 watts


3143 RPM, in 8.6 watts, out 14.28 watts (Keeping in mind that the total input draw was 134.75 watts to make 14.28!!!)



4837 RPM, in 23.3 watts, out 25.7 watts


couple of pics, coils just scramble wound as recycled wire, one join in first coil, two joins in second coil


Second pic, bench clutter... running out of room, lol


Ron





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 23, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
Hello i_ron,
how much flexibility are you giving to this machine ?
The rotor cw rotating ? ccw rotating ? cw or ccw rotating ? data results ?
better/same/worser ?
The coils: up-down input,down-up input ? data results ? better/same/worser ?
The rotor vertical,horizontal ?


Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on September 23, 2016, 11:08:00 PM
I believe this is well documented.

0.5CV^2 sets up a curve both for charging and discharging,, so when you take the energy from a cap at a higher Voltage and discharge 1 Coulomb of charge carriers,, that will drop that cap 1V and raise a discharged cap up 1V,, those 2 energy values are not the same.

The cap charges up in Voltage by charge carriers displaced,, 1F= 1C per 1V,, so there is a volt to charge carrier relationship and that is what the capacitance value is.

Hadnt gone into this that far before.  Maybe that is what is meant by 'dont kill the dipole'?  Never got a good explanation on that before either. Possibly meaning to not take much from a charged cap while its being fed input? Dunno.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 23, 2016, 11:32:28 PM



Hi Ron - Thanks for sharing your results. Again your build is excellent!

Do you know if your Cores are saturating at any point?

As you say, your Input is: 134.75Total

However the Shaft Torque Efficency is very much different under different load conditions:

   2243 RPM: 9Watts / 9.8Watts = 0.918Times
   3143 RPM: 14.28Watts / 8.6Watts = 1.660Times
   4837 RPM: 25.7Watts / 23.3Watts = 1.103Times

So, we see that the Time Rate of Change does matter, but we see that there is an optimium freguency or operation: n = f (2 / p) 60

where

n = shaft rotation speed (rev/min, rpm)
f = frequency (Hz, cycles/sec, 1/s)
p = number of poles

Rearranging, we get: f =  n / (2 / p) / 60 = Optimium Frequency of operation = 52.3833333333333 Hertz

Which is interesting! Maybe beyond this point the Core is being saturated? Or is getting close?
   
Ron, your work is excellent!!! Thanks!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 23, 2016, 11:43:58 PM
Hello i_ron,
how much flexibility are you giving to this machine ?
snip
Sincerely
              OCWL



Hi OCWL,


I find the RV is a very accurate way to see exactly how much it takes to drive different devices.


Here, in this case, the RV just by itself draws 43 watts.


With the device connected and with no load on the device it draws 105 watts.


So this is 62.6 watts just to drive this device. I think that is the Achilles heel, the fly in the ointment, the finally for further development.


Thanks for your interest and suggestions, 


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 23, 2016, 11:53:44 PM


Hi Ron - Thanks for sharing your results. Again your build is excellent!

Do you know if your Cores are saturating at any point?

As you say, your Input is: 134.75Total

However the Shaft Torque Efficency is very much different under different load conditions:

   2243 RPM: 9Watts / 9.8Watts = 0.918Times
   3143 RPM: 14.28Watts / 8.6Watts = 1.660Times
   4837 RPM: 25.7Watts / 23.3Watts = 1.103Times

So, we see that the Time Rate of Change does matter, but we see that there is an optimium freguency or operation: n = f (2 / p) 60

where

n = shaft rotation speed (rev/min, rpm)
f = frequency (Hz, cycles/sec, 1/s)
p = number of poles

Rearranging, we get: f =  n / (2 / p) / 60 = Optimium Frequency of operation = 52.3833333333333 Hertz

Which is interesting! Maybe beyond this point the Core is being saturated? Or is getting close?
   
Ron, your work is excellent!!! Thanks!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Thanks Chris!  interesting numbers for sure. Math is not one of my strong points so I am amazed at how you do this!!


Now to post mortem this, I was wondering if the flux path length through the laminates was the critical factor? Is this the reason Watson used such long cores in that famous machine???

Anyway, searching for what we learned here and you seem to be able to present this in a very understandable manner... so over to you.

Ron


Edit: saturation is another topic I am not too sure on. With one core locked on with the rotor vertical is a real tug 'o war to get it off, with two cores in place I can just twist one off so easily.... the area is 3/4 X 1 inch so fairly reasonable, that and it shows a square wave at all these RPM's so nothing untoward seems to be taking place?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 12:10:07 AM

Thanks Chris!  interesting numbers for sure. Math is not one of my strong points so I am amazed at how you do this!!


Now to post mortem this, I was wondering if the flux path length through the laminates was the critical factor? Is this the reason Watson used such long cores in that famous machine???


Anyway, searching for what we learned here and you seem to be able to present this in a very understandable manner... so over to you.


Ron



Hi Ron - I am blushing... I fumble my way through what I can, using the "try and try again" technique... Math is not my strong point, but I try, I find it does help sometimes.

Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?

I felt that the Rotor was Riding the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field from Lenz's Law, the Output Magnetic field from the draw of Current on the Output.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 12:22:05 AM



Hi Ron - Re Saturation, this is where the Core Material can no longer accept more Magnetic Flux (B).

Like a Sponge can only accept a volume of Water before more Water spills out everywhere, the Core Material will present an easier path for the Flux, measured as the Permeability (μ), but the upper limit of this easier path, is considered to be Saturated. No more Flux cant travel this easier Path because there is no more room, so the Flux Spills out.

This is a very easy experiment to learn about Saturation and the BH Curve: http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/non-linear_transformer_behavior.htm


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 24, 2016, 12:50:27 AM
It looks like a RV,but it is not a conventional motor-generator,it is a controle-device operated generator
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fbiblio%3FDB%3DEPODOC%26II%3D5%26ND%3D3%26adjacent%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_EP%26FT%3DD%26date%3D19790215%26CC%3DDE%26NR%3D2733719A1%26KC%3DA1&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fbiblio%3FDB%3DEPODOC%26II%3D5%26ND%3D3%26adjacent%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_EP%26FT%3DD%26date%3D19790215%26CC%3DDE%26NR%3D2733719A1%26KC%3DA1&edit-text=)


The controle device,Standart 2016,I would equip with this Tesla-Unit force enhancer :
http://www.google.com/patents/US8514047
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 24, 2016, 01:55:46 AM


Hi Ron - I am blushing... I fumble my way through what I can, using the "try and try again" technique... Math is not my strong point, but I try, I find it does help sometimes.

Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?

I felt that the Rotor was Riding the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field from Lenz's Law, the Output Magnetic field from the draw of Current on the Output.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.

Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.

You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.

Well,that is what i have found anyway.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 24, 2016, 02:07:32 AM
                         temperature decrease/ tension and frequency behaviour ? linear or progressive ?
                         internal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 24, 2016, 04:43:45 AM


Hi Ron - I am blushing... I fumble my way through what I can, using the "try and try again" technique... Math is not my strong point, but I try, I find it does help sometimes.

Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?

I felt that the Rotor was Riding the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field from Lenz's Law, the Output Magnetic field from the draw of Current on the Output.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Chris,you were concerned that I was running into saturation so I have taken 4 of the 10 magnets out.


While it was on the RV I did a reading, ready? the draw went up!  Up to 67 watts (3000 RPM)


I put it back (with the reduced magnet count) on the original prime mover...


 and the "action" (at 3000 RPM) has gone away,  Now at the slow speed the numbers are close, 9.8 watts in,  for 9 watts out, the "special" has gone to 13.5 watts in for 12.98 watts out. The high speed got a little worse with 28 watts in for 22 watts out. So removing 4 of the 10 magnets is not an improvement.


You may be correct with "riding the magnetic field" because as we see here the flux field has to met a certain strength criteria to work in our favour...However, that being said the increase draw to 67 watts (on the RV) is, in both cases, with no load on the generator... thoughts?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 24, 2016, 04:55:49 AM


Hi Ron -

Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Chris, to be more specific, the drag increases up to a certain point, then there is a dip, followed by a resumption of the increase.


This is with no electrical load being drawn, so it is not Lenz related. It must then be strictly a magnetic phenomenon.


Ron 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 24, 2016, 05:06:45 AM
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.

Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.

You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.

Well,that is what i have found anyway.

Brad


Thanks Brad, will look into that in the AM


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 06:02:20 AM
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.

Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.

You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.

Well,that is what i have found anyway.


Brad



I am a poorly educated Motor Nube, but I would tend to agree, even with my Nube experience!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 06:13:01 AM

Chris,you were concerned that I was running into saturation so I have taken 4 of the 10 magnets out.


While it was on the RV I did a reading, ready? the draw went up!  Up to 67 watts (3000 RPM)


I put it back (with the reduced magnet count) on the original prime mover...


 and the "action" (at 3000 RPM) has gone away,  Now at the slow speed the numbers are close, 9.8 watts in,  for 9 watts out, the "special" has gone to 13.5 watts in for 12.98 watts out. The high speed got a little worse with 28 watts in for 22 watts out. So removing 4 of the 10 magnets is not an improvement.


You may be correct with "riding the magnetic field" because as we see here the flux field has to met a certain strength criteria to work in our favour...However, that being said the increase draw to 67 watts (on the RV) is, in both cases, with no load on the generator... thoughts?


Ron



Hey Ron, I completely agree with your findings here! I saw the same thing! Time Rate of Change, of the Magnetic Field is the key, if the Magnetic Field (B) is lower in Value the EMF will be less.

MMF, the Magnetomotive Force is the Current through Windings (N), F = NI, which is the Magnetising Force back on the Core, in this case, this is Lenz's Law, EMF is 180 degrees out of phase, and so, the MMF will also be 180 degrees out of phase, but we redirect it with this configuration.

We could do some Math here and look at figures, but I have had a Beer, so it would not look pretty, so maybe later?

But, yes youre seeing consistant agreement with my early experiments. I just think this working together is awesome!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 06:20:41 AM

Chris, to be more specific, the drag increases up to a certain point, then there is a dip, followed by a resumption of the increase.


This is with no electrical load being drawn, so it is not Lenz related. It must then be strictly a magnetic phenomenon.


Ron



Hi Ron, again consistant with my replication. The drag, normal to most all generators is Lenz's Law, as we know, but when the point is reached, where the Flux completes the Path of least reluctance, the Rotor Rides the Magnetic Field, because they are in Quadrature, and also confined to a small space.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 07:08:36 AM



Backyard Build Off Challange 2016 - Brad's Build Off Challange...

Not as much Interest as I thought? Get in to take the prize, show your skills, Most Thumbs up wins...

URL: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/)

Registrations close on a date soon so be in to win!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 24, 2016, 08:52:00 AM
TESLA + Hector RT or TV : TESLA RTV   ,rotatory -translatory-linear, Peter Drucker "In search of Excellence" and other
                                                In search of the "ideal dynamo",
                                                           Linear Generator


Not to read   Tesla,studying and becoming
Not to read Hector,studying and becoming
Only one "thing" not :
To read the restaurant menu card,studying and please for becoming a steak ( become : english: to get anglo-saxonic:"to will be" or wise-men-(con)versa(tion)  8)  aehh,pardon,I mean vice-versa ;D  ,BS,I think this Feng-Shui does not becomes me ;) )


Who invented the "ideal dynamo" and trying this the "real dynamo" ,in german "Selbstlaeufer" ?
Who invented the "auto-mobile starter" ,auto=Selbst=self, ?
https://www.google.pt/search?q=anlasser+funktion&client=opera&hs=X1O&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=668&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwiT-OS8vKfPAhWGWxQKHes0CJsQsAQIMA (https://www.google.pt/search?q=anlasser+funktion&client=opera&hs=X1O&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=668&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ved=0ahUKEwiT-OS8vKfPAhWGWxQKHes0CJsQsAQIMA)


Who invented the "ideal capacitor" and trying this the "real capacitor" ? 
Lord kelvin: comparing a spring (not a temporal saison period) with the capacitor behaviour !? Thermo-cryo-dynamic


                                   electro-static capacitor and/or magneto-static-capacitor ?
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fbiblio%3FDB%3DEPODOC%26II%3D5%26ND%3D3%26adjacent%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_EP%26FT%3DD%26date%3D19790215%26CC%3DDE%26NR%3D2733719A1%26KC%3DA1&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fbiblio%3FDB%3DEPODOC%26II%3D5%26ND%3D3%26adjacent%3Dtrue%26locale%3Den_EP%26FT%3DD%26date%3D19790215%26CC%3DDE%26NR%3D2733719A1%26KC%3DA1&edit-text=)
                                The Mukherjee "controle element/Steuerelement" ? Elementar~ important ?


The above calculation is only an approximate calculation, in the small losses, such as copper losses are not taken into account in the armature of the electrical equipment, energy losses for rotating the inertia around the machine with the required angular velocity and the like.The bill is intended to show that a large amount of energy can be obtained by only a fraction of the output power, but not some form of external energy is consumed.


By supplying the pure output energy of the inventive generator for the electrical device, the force generated in the system can be used to drive other, coupled with the wave machine. Since no fuel is consumed, all types of vehicles and machines with this generator can be operated.


                                                                   "eddy currents brake"and the "kinetic force"
                                                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddy_current_brake
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 24, 2016, 07:30:40 PM
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.

Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.

You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.

Well,that is what i have found anyway.

Brad


Well Brad, I think we can scratch that one too.

Cool in the basement as the heating season hasn't started yet.

Starting temperature was 18 degrees C

After a 10 minute run...23 degrees C

After a 10 minute run under load...24 degrees C

The 50 ohm load resistor was at 72 degrees C after the 10 minute load run!

Ron


edit: the 23 C was fairly stable after 5 or 6 minutes. The scooter motor is not as efficient as the RV and was drawing 110 watts for the no load part of this test.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 24, 2016, 08:59:05 PM





Embarrassment time, dyslexia strikes again. The impressive second reading is an error on my part.

Correction for post #678

The millivolt numbers are correct in my notes, 11.6 mV under load and 10.3 mV no load. I was just dividing by two to get the amps and a very simple mistake occurred on the 11.6... I had written down 5.5 instead of 5.8 and subtracted 5.15 from it. What a difference that makes... from 8.575 watts to 16.25 watts! Sorry about that.


So corrected, the number two reading is 14.28 Watts out for a cost of 16,25 watts in


The best reading today is at 2800 RPM, 12.03 watts out for a cost of 12.5 watts in


The RV draw numbers are correct


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on September 24, 2016, 09:53:56 PM
ǝɯᴉʇ ǝɥʇ llɐ ǝɯ oʇ suǝddɐɥ lɐǝp ƃᴉq ɐ ɥɔns ʇoN

I meant
Not such a big deal, happens to me all the time....


 :o
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 24, 2016, 10:21:50 PM




Embarrassment time, dyslexia strikes again. The impressive second reading is an error on my part.

Correction for post #678

The millivolt numbers are correct in my notes, 11.6 mV under load and 10.3 mV no load. I was just dividing by two to get the amps and a very simple mistake occurred on the 11.6... I had written down 5.5 instead of 5.8 and subtracted 5.15 from it. What a difference that makes... from 8.575 watts to 16.25 watts! Sorry about that.


So corrected, the number two reading is 14.28 Watts out for a cost of 16,25 watts in


The best reading today is at 2800 RPM, 12.03 watts out for a cost of 12.5 watts in


The RV draw numbers are correct


Ron



Hey Ron, no problem, it happens.

Too much Coffee maybe?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: Due to lack of interest, I am currently seeing no point doing the Build Off Challange - Seems that we have seen soo much talk, but as always see no Action - Whats going on?






Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 25, 2016, 01:38:43 AM

Too much Coffee maybe?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Nah, just short term memory is very very short term, LOL ...that and every now and then I transpose numbers.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 25, 2016, 02:32:26 AM

Chris, to be more specific, the drag increases up to a certain point, then there is a dip, followed by a resumption of the increase.


This is with no electrical load being drawn, so it is not Lenz related. It must then be strictly a magnetic phenomenon.


Ron

Quote: By Lenz's law, an eddy current creates a magnetic field that opposes the magnetic field that created it, and thus eddy currents react back on the source of the magnetic field. For example, a nearby conductive surface will exert a drag force on a moving magnet that opposes its motion, due to eddy currents induced in the surface by the moving magnetic field. This effect is employed in eddy current brakes which are used to stop rotating power tools quickly when they are turned off. The current flowing through the resistance of the conductor also dissipates energy as heat in the material. Thus eddy currents are a cause of energy loss in alternating current (AC) inductors, transformers, electric motors and generators, and other AC machinery, requiring special construction such as laminated magnetic cores or ferrite cores to minimize them. Eddy currents are also used to heat objects in induction heating furnaces and equipment, and to detect cracks and flaws in metal parts using eddy-current testing instruments.

Ron
Here is something you might like to try to see if the drag without load is lenz related.
Is it possible to replace the magnets with small steel pieces/or one steel rod,that are the same shape and size as the magnet's,and then run the DUT,and see if the same amount of load/drag is placed on the prime mover as if there were magnets in the rotor?.

I see you mentioned that you did the temperature test,and the results were opposite to what i thought they would be--and this is interesting  ???
Perhaps i should put aside my solenoid engine build for a while,and finish my setup like yours,and join in on the search for the !hidden! drag ,when no load is being drawn from the generator.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 25, 2016, 02:52:51 AM
@ Ron

So i have just been watching some of the video's on your channel,during my morning coffee--and wow.
You have some excellent builds on there Ron,and craftsmanship i have only seen once before by another.

A video from a channel you might enjoy,by a man that shares your skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVe3zgmxoA


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 25, 2016, 03:11:14 AM
@ Ron

So i have just been watching some of the video's on your channel,during my morning coffee--and wow.
You have some excellent builds on there Ron,and craftsmanship i have only seen once before by another.

A video from a channel you might enjoy,by a man that shares your skills.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVe3zgmxoA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVe3zgmxoA)


Brad


Thanks Brad,


Yes, he is good, I haven't followed his work as much as I have Luc's, but they both suffer from the same malady, videos that are too long.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 25, 2016, 03:23:50 AM

Ron
Here is something you might like to try to see if the drag without load is lenz related.
Is it possible to replace the magnets with small steel pieces/or one steel rod,that are the same shape and size as the magnet's,and then run the DUT,and see if the same amount of load/drag is placed on the prime mover as if there were magnets in the rotor?.

I see you mentioned that you did the temperature test,and the results were opposite to what i thought they would be--and this is interesting  ???
Perhaps i should put aside my solenoid engine build for a while,and finish my setup like yours,and join in on the search for the !hidden! drag ,when no load is being drawn from the generator.

Brad


I think we should have been warned when Ward was shown diving his models with one and two horse motors. That and we ignored the fading of the Butch team. Still. as Chris says, it is a good learning tool.


And holy moly --- it actually got the group focused on a, "lenz free generator", for several pages!


And some good laughs... such as the one posted by ramset  ;D


What one shall we do next?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 25, 2016, 04:03:54 AM

I think we should have been warned when Ward was shown diving his models with one and two horse motors. That and we ignored the fading of the Butch team. Still. as Chris says, it is a good learning tool.


And holy moly --- it actually got the group focused on a, "lenz free generator", for several pages!


And some good laughs... such as the one posted by ramset  ;D


What one shall we do next?


Ron




Hey Ron - I agree, you’re the only one here that has held the attention of others for more than one page - Congratulations!

Yes, I agree, did I say: "Not OU but a good learning tool"? Something like that. I really do agree, there is a lot to learn in such a small simple and cheap device.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 25, 2016, 04:56:52 AM


Maybe I might be able to help the thread with some of my work? Please read my Warning!!!

Please See: Chris's Build Entry (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/)

I am a Nube when it comes to motors, I know basic stuff and thats really it!!! I am here to learn some and for fun only.

I have some progress posted. More pictures than words.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 25, 2016, 09:21:14 AM

Seriously, is this the best you have to offer, a copy paste of Brad's work?  Why in the hell is this a "Brad Challenge"?  "The challenge" was between Brad and AC. You have extended the challenge to everyone.....not wise.  It's clear you ignored my suggestion, namely to present one's best (ignored by Brad...) motor generator concept.  This is non threatening, and has nothing to do with a competition, this is us placing our cards face up on the table, this is us seeing one another, revealing where we are, why we are there, and where we are headed.  I find it fascinating that you speak with such authority, and all of a sudden you are a "noob"......typical.......  Present your own idea about your own approach to a motor-generator. Demonstrate that you are not only well versed in the laws, but you also know  how to apply them practically. 


It's good of you to admit that you are a noob....says a lot about you, and I respect this.  I am not a noob in the area of motor-generators.  This discussion belongs here on this forum, I recommend you start a new thread, you could call it, "Your BEST motor-generator concept".  It should be modeled after the opening video of the pulse motor build off. Participants submit a 5 minute video, posting the link to the video in the thread, that's it.  What you do with your 5 minutes is on you, at the end of the time period, it is my hope that all understand why this is your best.  The submission thread is for entry videos only, no discussions should take place there ever! 


If a discussion is desired about a particular idea, the individual responsible for presenting said idea should start a thread, and be given total moderator control, modeled after the bench concept on the OUR forum.  No one has the right to start a discussion about someone else's idea.  There should be no time limit on submissions, this is not a competition.  Only one submission per user, remember this is about you presenting your best. 



After a skim read, I wasnt going to respond to your post, so I shall Not ;)

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on September 25, 2016, 09:55:16 AM
Hi Ron , I didn't pay much attention to your ward generator, I 'm on limited data.

What one shall we do next?


Ron
The reason is, I don't like cores in my coils.
It's fine to use steel to concentrate the magnetic field of a PM rotor but, using it to intensify the field in a coil is a waste IMHO.
The reason I say this is ,from what I've seen is that increase in output is offset by the required increase in input or the increase in motoring ability is offset by the drag .
Something along the lines of core-less coils for motoring and generating at the same time,would be interesting.
Thanks artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 10:12:18 AM
Hi Ron , I didn't pay much attention to your ward generator, I 'm on limited data.

What one shall we do next?


Ron
The reason is, I don't like cores in my coils.
It's fine to use steel to concentrate the magnetic field of a PM rotor but, using it to intensify the field in a coil is a waste IMHO.
The reason I say this is ,from what I've seen is that increase in output is offset by the required increase in input or the increase in motoring ability is offset by the drag .
Something along the lines of core-less coils for motoring and generating at the same time,would be interesting.
Thanks artv


Under permanent energy load or under moderated pulse periods ?
rotor/stator: pm/pm pm/em em/pm em-pm/pm ...em-pm/em-pm  magnetic force source : pm=permanent magnet em=electromagnet

 You think that air-core coils equipped machines does have a better effficiency ,caused by actio-reactio time ,or why ?
Is the field force intensifying solid core reacting as same when instead cooper coils this will be encored by cooper-alu or only aluminium coils ? Aluminium: eddy currents ! Non ferrit machine,but by magnetic force acting ? http://rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm (http://rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on September 25, 2016, 10:34:15 AM
Hi lanca, I only motor the coils once per revolution, mimicking Mr hand.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 11:14:40 AM
Hi lanca, I only motor the coils once per revolution, mimicking Mr hand.
artv


A really ashamed  :-[  question,could you descript for me the programming of this "operation=act" ? I only know about "winding coils" !

Are you revoluting your motor by hand,handykraft,mechanical device,not an e-motor more a kinetical/mechanical transmissor /transmitter ?
Thank you for a more imaginable answer ! :)


With my kindest regard and a fine Sunday (with/-out family,in peace ::) )
                                                                                                                   OCWL 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 11:25:36 AM

That is exactly what one should have!


Regards


And by a common shaft ? Motor=generator ? the dynamo principle ! ( 8)  Each one becomes MrDynamo or MrsDynamo, core-and coil-less)
                                                               :)   That is exactly what one should be !  :)
                                                            Decelerating the modern society life velocity
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 11:35:35 AM

What I am saying is the motor coil is at the same time a generator coil.  There is only one shaft, and this case only one coil which is simultaneously motoring and generating an electrical output.


Regards


                         What I am saying is the motor coil is at the same time a generator coil.
    Hmm,complicated,really complicated : but let me give you a publicated device as an non-moving (relatively) transformer :
                                                                             coaxial
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941208&CC=DE&NR=4318270A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19941208&CC=DE&NR=4318270A1&KC=A1)


In your world a coil is selfoperating ?
Assuming one wants to do things the right way, a coil which simultaneously motors and generates is the only way forward.
                                              counter-streaming,cold-/hot flow exchanger


I can wrap a hard/air core with two coils , but 1 coil(or foil do you mean ?) with permanent, the two diametral physical function,transformation is for me unknown !


Erfinder ,what has been first : chicken or egg ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 11:50:12 AM
I am open to become me inspired by your vision of progress !
Impossibilities making possible is nice,using this is nicer !


https://www.google.pt/search?q=barbat+motor+generator&client=opera&hs=lin&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYp4-RnqrPAhVGyRQKHadBBjEQsAQIHw&biw=1366&bih=668 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=barbat+motor+generator&client=opera&hs=lin&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiYp4-RnqrPAhVGyRQKHadBBjEQsAQIHw&biw=1366&bih=668)

and finally: http://rexresearch.com/hooper/horizon.htm
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 11:56:45 AM
Fine,similar ? http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457.0;attach=2786 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=457.0;attach=2786)


 8)  From my "I" to your "I"  ;)


What is about the coil material ? An-/organical ?
The coil :doted,or like a pepermint stick https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvF4bsjF3ikP9-RdKWpKxUbvP4y0F-U6r5hYjgV2n5mQ3d6CS3 (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvF4bsjF3ikP9-RdKWpKxUbvP4y0F-U6r5hYjgV2n5mQ3d6CS3) ,
or bi-/multicolored toothpaste
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY7fGefcbPc4fGNblESrj1-6OghzHBRneD17ccr6HTh1zcl7UoYKISJQTl (https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSY7fGefcbPc4fGNblESrj1-6OghzHBRneD17ccr6HTh1zcl7UoYKISJQTl) ?
a coiled graphene bi-/multi planar array ? multi-junction


induction and induc.... function : 2 in1


Erfinder : Finder/Finder and the  Fundus and the Fundament ,Er=he Sie=she  Siefinder :) ,Pardon-moi,Sie Finder,Sie ! But it does not mean,translated : she finder ,she !
                               It has to be transducted:              You finder,You !

                                                                      Hirarchie
                                            Nomen,Names and Title and Rank/Rang
                               1.,2.,3. person singularis + X : majestatis  ma(g)ister : Mestre,Meister,Master
                               1.,2.,3. person pluralis     + X : majestatis 

Erfinder,a german expression, in angelo-saxonico,shortly "english"
co-expression, verbum: inventare to invent ,the inventor

German description about "nature creation"-reengineering https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=dna+replikation&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=dna+replikation&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)


                                          it will become a wi-fi device

                                Sillylogic based by Fuzzylogic   Neurologic tool
                                                          hard and soft
                                                            (be-)ware


             1.,2.,3.Kind         you,You,(YOU: internal conversion,sphere intimus)
                                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPq6eGCXXP8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPq6eGCXXP8)


                 notare,remarcare : receiving,tuning,amplyfing,equalizing

So that it's clear, I have tested what I am suggesting, and am completely satisfied with the results I get with my apparatus.  I know exactly what "I" want, and build accordingly.  [/size]


I reed and noticed your points.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 03:05:42 PM

Repe(a)ting (based:repetere):So that it's clear, I have tested what I am suggesting, and am completely satisfied with the results I get with my apparatus.  I know exactly what "I" want, and build accordingly.


                                 "Clear" is your open -disclosed/discovered- statement !                                                                        Your suggest ? The multifunctional coil ? It is unclear !
                                 "...... I know ...."  Do you want to patent it,your "Erfindung" ?


"English" is neither my father nor mother language but I want to try to understand you ,by your question,comments and answers !


I do not really think  ::) that this offered information and technical method of energy harvesting and conversion is new and unused.There are worldwide sufficient genuine scientists which are working in this physics "house-appartment".
This Info has got +/- 20 years time-lag.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
I hope that I do not incommodate you and this is not my intention !


What you will do is something like a "wrapped nantenna" creating , as channel ,for the RF-spectrum.
EM makes part from RF.


Have a fine Sunday
                              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 25, 2016, 03:34:45 PM

What I am saying is the motor coil is at the same time a generator coil.  There is only one shaft, and this case only one coil which is simultaneously motoring and generating an electrical output.  Assuming one wants to do things the right way, a coil which simultaneously motors and generates is the only way forward.

Regards


Does the simultaneous generating/motoring effect that you've observed happen to have anything to do with the space angle of the rotor?  In other words, due to the inductive reactance of the coil windings, the MMF lags the actual space position (TDC, etc) of the magnets in the rotor.  If the speed of the rotor and inductive reactance of the coils high enough, theoretically the rotor could find itself positioned closer to the next pole piece in rotation while the coil on the last pole projection is still building up current due to XL.  If the next pole piece has a polarity opposite of the previous pole, the rotor would be sucked FORWARD in and ADDITIVE manor, accelerating the rotor while also generating.


Thanks


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 03:37:47 PM
Thank you,Erfinder, #729 (not 728; Sorry me !) ,this answer correlated the opinion about your first answer ,our correspondence related !


THz:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5&FT=D&ND=3&date=19910228&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5&FT=D&ND=3&date=19910228&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


internal cited :  DD286012 Elektronengas-Kreislauf  Plasma-Cycle/circuit
http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/04/compact-fluorescent-fusion/ (http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/04/compact-fluorescent-fusion/)
http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/184899/difference-between-fusion-plasma-and-fluorescent-lamp-plasmas (http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/184899/difference-between-fusion-plasma-and-fluorescent-lamp-plasmas)


But now is really enough
                                      B"I"-B"I"
                                                    OCWL


p.s.:        I am here, the world is of no interest to me.
                Mourinho: Special One
                Klopp:       Normal One
                Erfinder                  One,more or less 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 25, 2016, 04:06:21 PM

No. 




I could demonstrate the exact same thing in a machine designed to be driven at TDC, and with that being said, I regret to say again...no.




Do you see where your thinking is?  It is totally entangled in the maze of the inductive reactive.  Consider what it would take to transition a predominantly inductive reactive system, into a predominantly capacitive reactive system.  The character of your apparatus must change from dominant XL or opposition to change in flux or current to dominant XC or opposition to change in voltage.


Regards


Its not totally entangled in inductive reactance.  I spoke with Eric Dollard long enough to realize the importance of its conjugate XC in all electrical systems..  My mind was there because of how Jim Murray described some of this phenomena in one of his presentations.


So this added capacitance.  In your devices, is it derived from multifilar coil configurations?  Or is it a lumped capacitance placed outside of the coil somewhere?


Thanks


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 04:13:09 PM

                             an old/eld motor/notor technique (2D)
http://media3.news.ch/news/fb/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg (http://media3.news.ch/news/fb/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg)


                            3/4D and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolamite (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolamite)


                          converting to an industrial mass-produceable device

                 http://csnetwork.eu/livingmachines/conf2015/%5BLM2016%5D

                            ( photo/phono-synthese "engine" farming )


                              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galvanism

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 25, 2016, 05:00:44 PM

You think a conversation with one with knowledge on the subject will give the necessary insight for engineering that which is said to be impossible?  Especially when said individual has no interest in the direction of research that occupies the minds of all who would shower him with senseless questions if they were given the opportunity. 



Lol, no not really.  But it did give me what I feel is a pretty good BS sniffer and some good direction to follow.  I will find that for which I am looking, in time.


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 25, 2016, 06:03:11 PM

Run    -  Combine XL and XC dominant circuits.

Regards


Does combining these two come about in some active form of switching in the circuit? 


Thanks
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 08:30:17 PM
                                http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/scalar.html (http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/scalar.html)
                                http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/kr20140011732a.jpg (http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/kr20140011732a.jpg)
                                http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/ep2380628b.jpg (http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/ep2380628b.jpg)
                                http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/ep2380628c.jpg

               http://media0.news.ch/news/680/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg (http://media0.news.ch/news/680/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 25, 2016, 08:51:15 PM

What I have found is one must build with the understanding that we want the exact opposite of what we consider as a resonant condition.  What I mean here is simple to understand. Resonance as we presently view it is restricted to one specific frequency.  That which is desired is a condition where resonance becomes a broad band phenomena.  All frequencies are the resonant frequency in sequence.  So, no my system is not finicky.  I just need to establish the conditions which facilitate and support the broad band phenomena.

Regards


erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see????


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 25, 2016, 09:22:44 PM

erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see????


Ron




Hi Ron - This is GOLD!!! I love it, I could not have said it better myself ;)


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 25, 2016, 09:25:26 PM

erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see? ???


Ron

http://media0.news.ch/news/680/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg (http://media0.news.ch/news/680/296740-396c983d4290901e4060ffe25e7c0eb3.jpg) mikro
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ4jMSCBswY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZ4jMSCBswY) 4dimensional alive            human-makro
resonance measurement http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/ep2380628b.jpg (http://rexresearch.com/scalarlong/ep2380628b.jpg)
and homogenity

left side    a.b. girl/s    left hand : cw or ccw ? right  hand: ccw or cw
right side a.b. girl/s    left hand : cw or ccw ?  right hand : ccw or cw ?


who is asked and has to give the answer ? The left side girl,the right side girl  or I and where am I ?
    Are we fixed or moving position ? They or I(like the camera-man/wife?) We all ?
                                       
This video translating in a virtual -trickfilm like- 4D movie -shows if we understand movement and this in ECHTZEIT/REALTIME sequenz.This are programmer doing !

                                            view aspect for the correct answer


                                   http://www.crystalinks.com/synchronicity.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/synchronicity.html)

                                         https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holografie (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holografie)
                                                        google translated
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHolografie&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FHolografie&edit-text=)



                                        for 4D creativity and 4D technical observation
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
to webby1 he gave clearly his fixpoint of his re-/search result:


Real system capacitance is the rate at which current or flux in this case changes with respect to time divided by voltage.


excluded as "Essential" from #737
.........
Real system capacitance isn't proximity between wires.
Real system capacitance isn't lumped values applied to the circuit.
Real system capacitance is the rate at which current or flux in this case changes with respect to time divided by voltage.
 The aforereferenced are secondary!
  We must identify and utilize the "real" circuit capacity, and use the secondary as required for streamlining tuning. ....... Citation End.


[ "We" : 1.2.3. kind ? ::)  #7?? : " I am here, the world is of no interest to me."
    using the lingual/linguistic SRT                                                     ...   for me."
    Erfinder,how shall translate a KI-translation program your point of view ?
    You treat(active part) or you are treated(passive part) !
    It is only rhetorical,the question ! Time-comparision : Have a good day ! We here now night !]                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 25, 2016, 10:28:14 PM

erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see? ???


Ron

I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off.  But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see.  If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted.  When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding.  The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12.  The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts.  There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap.  But pulses do strange things with transformers.  And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.

 Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary.  See what you get.  You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 26, 2016, 02:25:15 AM

erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see????


Ron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLz2cXn49s


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 05:03:57 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLz2cXn49s


Brad





Oh Geepas!!! I bet that poor Lady hever ever got on a Motor Bike again!!!

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       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2016, 05:13:21 AM
i_ron ;D  how you show us: subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations
                                       us: the male race     specially: "us",the white "HERRENRASSE"
                                       us: not we,but them            not I,but he (or : she !)


                                      "us":you,i_ron                      "us": but I and he,Erfinder,too(level-difference)
                                                                                     (special case ,Erfinder: not I and the donkey)

                                             tribe tribut tribunal
i_ron   - your personal        at-tribution ,here ?          yokes ? hihihohohaha :sufficient ! And now ?


                                         butter to the fish !             


         


He wrote clearly about his intentions,not to disclose "special information" cause personal economical interests: you- i_ron, I ,we all, have to accept people own and personal behaviour with or without
                hints by their intentions


                 Lenz "free" generator does not mean  Limit free generator,social limits


                 to disclose all the secrets ,there are to many Mr. and Mrs. "NIMMERSATT",
                 giving one "finger-tip" and becoming slaved,NO !
                 we are not the "HEILSARMEE"


When you go to estatal R&D institutions/organisations do you mean that they there have to disclose to you all their know-ledge cause they are paid by the citizen tax ? ::)
When you go to christian universities and colleges do you mean they have to disclose you all their
scientifical property ? ::)
                                                    are you (a)"backfish/selfisch" ? life newbie ? fresh born ?


                                                                    ora et labora


                                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_degree)       
                   academical:docere,Docent,Doctor (in ..... faculta) degree ~ economical : patent grant        WIPO -international- granted !
                                                                  docere ~ to teach ,to educate


  patent EXAMINATION by international,knowledge reknowned,patent office "peers" and then "academic of science peers" later approved


                                                                        chicken or egg 
                                                  first practizise then theory   or vice-versa   
                                                  first the newbie then the elder or vice-versa


Some,many, users in this forum invested time and financial,material, resources to resolve -from the society not done- problems   
                           there is not the need of several people mobbing or mental pressure behaviour   


Who has something in his hand and head can as minimum claim/apply for copy-right,utility model,or new technical standart model(l)


we are not living in an altruistic world ,even our "family" as social group model(l) is based by each of the family members opportunity
         
And who has something should ever demand for the NDA ,saved by warranty: capital safety ( can be also the life from the assignor) !


                                caput,capita,capital: head,the main (non/destroyable: the highest value)


                       I do not think that educated people with Master-degree or knowledge range do
                                                      pearls before the swine throw


                                                                     Overdosis risc !
                               The pigs could become "meneater" !  Pigs,porcs are carnivore !


                     But I am not Master (Maester ? breeder,grower,fattener) I am only "Mister/Mr."(Stallbursche :P  mist=dung,dung servant)


                                                 Education by international reknowned BS-societies,not stolen,offered by them.
                                                                              I only recycle it ;)


                                 human babies,so nice and sweet : carnivore-treatment in the Mutterleib( womb ; German : Wampe :Fat man his belly)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katholisch.de%2Faktuelles%2Faktuelle-artikel%2Fkain-und-abel&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.katholisch.de%2Faktuelles%2Faktuelle-artikel%2Fkain-und-abel&edit-text=)
                                     Kain,aehh Pardon,Kein abel(Fachchinesisch !),abel hat geschmeckt ! 8)

                                                      disobedience : glutton ~ Nimmersatt

                                 Die Dinosaurier,werden immer trauriger,denn Noah laesst sie nicht an Bord  ;D
                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPraxHBdUU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yPraxHBdUU)
                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBk0CA0bhb0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBk0CA0bhb0)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 26, 2016, 05:06:17 PM

The sane thing to do is just ignore me...  You were informed by those who "know", that I don't know what I am talking about.   


I am capable of sorting out various inputs and forming my own conclusions. I read your posts, I have talked with you on skype. So the impression I get is that you have something and would love to tell us all about it.


However it is the frustration of the cat and mouse game that you play that prompts me to write. Ahh, this is the direction to run in....BAM, down comes the paw, claws extended and the poor mouse (me) (us?) is flung up into the air again and again.


It is like trying to get something sensible out of Dave or Matt.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 26, 2016, 05:25:11 PM
I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off.  But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see.  If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted.  When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding.  The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12.  The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts.  There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap.  But pulses do strange things with transformers.  And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.

 Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary.  See what you get.  You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.


Thanks for taking that chance Carroll, that looks liken interesting lead, lets hope erfinder will comment.


Normally I would jump right in but I am working on a new rotor design for the Ward thing, so otherwise occupied.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 26, 2016, 08:24:55 PM

What aspect(s) of this do you consider to be part of what I am trying to get you (all) to see?  Can you elaborate?


Regards

I think you are trying to get us to see that we can manipulate the inductance to our advantage.  In this circuit the transformer I used has an inductance of the primary winding of 976 mh with all windings being open.  When I short the secondary winding the inductance drops to 84 mh.  So we charge the primary winding while the inductance is low and recover the energy while the inductance is high.   This causes the cap to charge to a much higher voltage than without the shorting circuit.  I have not had time to try this idea on a pulse motor but I can see how it might lead to a much more efficient motor.  Maybe even to a motor that could generate more power than needed to run the motor.

Regards,
Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 26, 2016, 09:48:18 PM
snip

Feels good seeing some trying to see what I see.

Regards


Well finally some information! Now I now what you are talking about.

Thanks erfinder ... thanks Carroll

Ron

(Incidentally the two links were the same, JB's never came through)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 10:16:24 PM

Well finally some information! Now I now what you are talking about.

Thanks erfinder ... thanks Carroll

Ron

(Incidentally the two links were the same, JB's never came through)



Hahahaha I wonder why...

Mr Agnostic, Un-Informative, through the imaginary eyes of his Own God, JB!!!

Oh it is sickening, and again, nothing new. People have been doing this for decades! We just discussed the Parametric Oscillator, 1934, image below:

But as long as we can see what he can see... then we will all be saved, because JB will be our God too!!!

Erfinder, You love yourself! As much as you love your own God, JB, and your saviour JM. Keep talking it up, sooner or later youll trip on those Big O'l Lipps...

 
   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2016, 10:39:48 PM
Haha , Mandelstam/Papalexi ?
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=bifurkation+mandelstam+papalexi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

some food for intensive re-/search


for whom https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1)  is not of interest


going to citing documents
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


and from this 1. -idem-
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


who has time and patience : cited documents also listened


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 10:51:58 PM



For those that did not see the pdf:

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 10:55:59 PM
Haha , Mandelstam/Papalexi ?
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=bifurkation+mandelstam+papalexi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

some food for intensive re-/search


for whom https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1)  is not of interest


going to citing documents
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


and from this 1. -idem-
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


who has time and patience : cited documents also listened


Exactly!!! First document: 1934 REPORT ON RECENT RESEARCH ON NONLINEAR OSCILLATIONS1 (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf)

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Oh Dear, Erfinder, we can see you now!!! Clearly you have not done the homework, and know nothing of the History behind any of this!!! You Should, and then you should give credit to those that you copy from!



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 26, 2016, 11:20:16 PM
                                                               26/09/2016
                                                       +/-              1996


                           What did you -more or less- twenty years before ,C.S. ?
                                                 (Prof.) Dr. Florian Popescu
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=florian+popescu&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


                                                   I am not in hurry !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 26, 2016, 11:31:16 PM


Hahahaha I wonder why...

Mr Agnostic, Un-Informative, through the imaginary eyes of his Own God, JB!!!

Oh it is sickening, and again, nothing new. People have been doing this for decades! We just discussed the Parametric Oscillator, 1934, image below:

But as long as we can see what he can see... then we will all be saved, because JB will be our God too!!!

Erfinder, You love yourself! As much as you love your own God, JB, and your saviour JM. Keep talking it up, sooner or later youll trip on those Big O'l Lipps...

 
   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Please stop adding this crap to the thread.  If you have technical contributions, cool, but please stop this shit.  Reading countless pages of you all arguing over nothing really is obnoxious.  It doesn't matter who did it first.  We all need to be doing it NOW.


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 11:33:37 PM
                                                               26/09/2016
                                                       +/-              1996


                           What did you -more or less- twenty years before ,C.S. ?
                                                 (Prof.) Dr. Florian Popescu
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=florian+popescu&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


                                                   I am not in hurry !



Vehicle battery-operated electric drive - uses parametric resonance regulated by semiconductor control to reduce energy losses (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=19811001&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=DE&NR=3006520A1&KC=A1&ND=4)

C.S.Lewis? - Not sure there - Sorry...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 26, 2016, 11:37:40 PM

Please stop adding this crap to the thread.  If you have technical contributions, cool, but please stop this shit.  Reading countless pages of you all arguing over nothing really is obnoxious.  It doesn't matter who did it first.  We all need to be doing it NOW.


Dave



Dave Agreed - Just saying it how it is, but I agree, its needless drivel that helps no one.

Quote

The battery-operated electric drive system for a vehicle uses a resonance pulsation motor supplied with current from the battery via a parametric generator. The braking energy is used for battery recharging and a flywheel is used for intermediate energy storage and to store kinetic energy e.g. so that in the case of a heavy vehicle it can be used to supplement the battery voltage when travelling up on incline. Pref. the generator controlled parametric resonance is obtained by semiconductor control. The system is designed to give reduced running costs since the thermodynamic losses are less, while the delivered mechanical output remains the same.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 12:43:27 AM
                                  You are acting too fast,Mister C(hris) S(ykes) !
How many publications did the (Prof.) Dr. Florian Goetsch-Popescu applicated ?
Only 1 ?


One(1):
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840612&CC=US&NR=4454463A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840612&CC=US&NR=4454463A&KC=A)

Two(2)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820407&CC=EP&NR=0049214A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=8&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820407&CC=EP&NR=0049214A1&KC=A1)

Three(3)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=2317724A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19741017&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=DE&NR=2317724A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19741017&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

Four(4)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820121&CC=DE&NR=3021154A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=11&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19820121&CC=DE&NR=3021154A1&KC=A1)

Five(5)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=20&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19730315&CC=DE&NR=2143461A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=20&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19730315&CC=DE&NR=2143461A1&KC=A1)
.....
In der Hauptsache wird praktisch im vorliegenden Falle die Resonanz als parametrische Resonanz durch gesteuerte Variation der Prequenz der Radialschwin- gungen der beweglichen Scheibenteile allmählich eingeführt und systematiseh, nach Notwendigkeit gesteigert bzw. stationär unterhalten. Als anschauliches einfachee Beispiel hierfür gilt das Schiffs schaukeln auf dem Jahrmarkt. Hiervon ging im übrigen der verstorbene russische Gelehrte Papalexi aus, als er das Problem der parametrischen Resonanz eingehend behandelte. Auch der vor kürzerer Zeit verstorbene Pro- fessor Landau aus Russland hat zusammen mit Lifschitz in einem ins Deutsche übersetzte, in der BRD. erhältliche Mechanikbuch ein Kapitel über parametrische Resonanz geschrieben.Desgleichen hat der Urheber dieser vorliegenden Erfindung eine ausführlichere Mitteilung über die Ausnutzung der parametrischen Resonanz bei einem Inertialdrehmotor, der rumänischen Akademie im Dezember 1952 eingereicht. Nach eingehender Prüfung seitens der dortigen Akademie, ist die Angeiegenheit nur deswegen nicht weiter gediehen, weil keine Initiative ergriffen wurde, - wie diese Akademie damals empfahl - den Motor zuerst praktisch zu experimentieren. .......



.....(...)

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 02:34:51 AM
http://www.overunity.de/2013/radikal-zukunft-design/msg45623/#new (http://www.overunity.de/2013/radikal-zukunft-design/msg45623/#new) #106 date ?


http://www.overunity.de/1631/magnetmotorexperiment/#.V-m_4UVX9aY (http://www.overunity.de/1631/magnetmotorexperiment/#.V-m_4UVX9aY) #4




http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10635/#.V-nAlkVX9aY (http://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/10635/#.V-nAlkVX9aY) user m786 #10648

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2265.0 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2265.0)

et cetera et ....


Mandelstam-Papalexi has been on a very low power level, (Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! Step-by-step-Evolution


It is important to work out the resonanz circuit (motor/generator/transformer) carefully because if not there will become reached the point of no return ergo :
                                           RESONANZKATASTROPHE,
known as movie www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-zczJXSxnw
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on September 27, 2016, 08:25:27 AM
Yes, this is part of the message.  We can manipulate inductive reactive cross section of the circuit, and do so in a  manner which does not necessitate the inserting and removing of a core material.
snip....

Feels good seeing some trying to see what I see.
Regards
The fog is lifting, the toad sees where he's once been, knows now where he is, and looks to the future.
Cheers and KneeDeep ...
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 09:45:48 AM
Hello Chris Sykes,
when you work and listen -with concentration- you would have seen and corrected me for the fault/faught/Fehler/error whose I did :
Mandelstam-Papalexi has been on a very low power level, (Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! Step-by-step-Evolution


Professor Mandelstam and Professor Papalexi have been two different humans and persons with whom of each different personalities and characteres and profiles,so I have to correct my mission:


"Mandelstam and Papalexi have been on a very low power level,(Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! "

Trial and Error for Success: to give by translation "1:1=1"  PERFECT SYNTAX by Symmetry


You/we are working on a/the "Dreammachine" ,without concentration it becomes an "Alptraum" Apocalypse "Apos-call-ypse"
                                                                 GOoD and BAD


                                                           Believing: in the same ?
                                Who/What consults you and who/what consults me ?
                                          Same level and viewpoint and Realtime ?                                 


What shall the "maschine" have for functions ? Multifunctional ? Transponder-function : the EU-European EUREKA-Program linguage translator ? Materializer ? Dematerializer ? "Scotty,beam me up and contro-versely "Scotty, beam me on" movie "Raumschiff Enterprise" in the german TV ,in the United States of America ? It is an U.S.A. artists production !


This in your hands : Baschir als Assad ,friend or enemy ?
                                Donald Trump ,f. or e. ? Hillary Clinton,f.or e. ?
                                Atomar reacting weapons,friendly or fools their tools ?
                                Thermo-baric re-/actor,friendly or fools their tools ?


Have you childs ? How would/could they(plural)/he,she(singular,sexus) treat the world with such a maschine in their property,possession ?


Wladimir Putin,friend or fool,Dr.Angela Merkel,the Kim in North-Corea and.... ,and ... !


When you are afraid or angry about anybody or anything : making a change by a time-maschine ?
            Ever more or never more seeing,hearing,expeience bad things ?! But are probably this bad things for personal you and good thing probably for the other, or vice-versa good things or situation/-s for specially you and only bad for the other ?


Where is the right Symmetrie by the "balance of Power" "balance of Poorness/Richdom" ?


Gives we as humanity,for example the U.N.-forum/conference for this questions the right true and transparent answer or are you the answer giving right person or I,we two,this forum ?       I think you are male and I am male,have we the right answer also for our human female part ?! Is it better to become borned by the mother as male or female human ? What is about the new defined sexus: Transgender,
the neutral human,officially accepted in India by the estate,but by their society,male part or female part ?


Am I ,you social and experienced enough about moral and/or ethical questions/answers to decide or is this not better discussed by
"academies of sciences","academies of Theo-/Teleologie" or estatal ethical commissions !?


I am confessional working,not professional,but we have enough specialists whose are working 365 days(less weekends and vacations)
to resolve unconvenient problems/questions !


The POPE,has he to work 365 days( mor exactly: 365,25 days per year cause the 23.58 hours and ? sec day,Schalttag,29.February) or is there a Vice-Pope ?When the POPE,the bishop from Rome is in journey,who is representing him ,in Roma ?  Is he not human.too ?
A female POPE,impossible ? Abt(the Abbade-Father hirarchy-rank: bishop . Are there not female Abbas ?
 In the rom.-Katholic Churche, I am not writing about the normal situation in the Weltkirchenbund-Organisation(headquarter Genf/Geneve).


Wladimir Putin,a Ras-Putin ? Has he not to show,inner-/outer-estate, to his citizen a kind of "Macho"-personality ? Many enemies/concurrence   !


The Kim-"dynasty" in North-Corea, an hard job ! History and future !?


                                                               Consense !? Common sense ?!


Ranking : Has I,you,he/she/it we/they/ ever to be in the NR.1 competition or is sometimes NR.70000000000 not wiser (to be the Last)
                                                                    incende a luz- ascende a luz


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1)


                                                   New matter creation or matter destroying ?
                                                                 Does it matter ?         


I am a human and I am glad not to be in the political "heads" Imperior/Kings/Presidents  et .et their position become hunted 365 days by the papparazzis for a good (photo-)shot,an exclusive story or exclusive "secret" delivered ! "Poor boys and girls" !
The Prince of Wales-Position is more my alike ,Infante(infnatil,nasty ::) ) /Crownprincipe ! Camilla ? As "ti"(cha/tea) ? Eventually.


 WAR IS PEACE /PEACE IS WAR : a provocative these by an Artist ,  "1984" and/or  "Brave new world ?" and finally "ZARDOS" :
we as humans could become- by the bio-technolgy- imortal !?


                              Fantastic or horrible !? For the human society - urban/rural society - flora et fauna - Planet earth ?!


                                                            I like to die,not yet but in the next future.Giving place for the temporal next.


                                                                        pearls before the swine throw[/size]


                                               some/many members here in the forum are throwing pearls/visions[/size]
                                                       and there are "swine" and "Glueck/Lucky swine" present[/size]
                                              but too much luck becomes boring or normal and let us forget to Thank                                [/size]
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 27, 2016, 11:21:38 AM
Hello Chris Sykes,
when you work and listen -with concentration- you would have seen and corrected me for the fault/faught/Fehler/error whose I did :
Mandelstam-Papalexi has been on a very low power level, (Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! Step-by-step-Evolution


Professor Mandelstam and Professor Papalexi have been two different humans and persons with whom of each different personalities and characteres and profiles,so I have to correct my mission:


"Mandelstam and Papalexi have been on a very low power level,(Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! "

Trial and Error for Success: to give by translation "1:1=1"  PERFECT SYNTAX by Symmetry


You/we are working on a/the "Dreammachine" ,without concentration it becomes an "Alptraum" Apocalypse "Apos-call-ypse"
                                                                 GOoD and BAD


                                                           Believing: in the same ?
                                Who/What consults you and who/what consults me ?
                                          Same level and viewpoint and Realtime ?                                 




Hi lancaIV,

I am guilty, sometimes I do not pay enough attention - Always when I spread myself too thin. Have too much work to do. It’s sad, because in my quest to learn, I sometimes don’t give myself enough time to absorb!

In the last few days I have had some health problems with my family, so my attention has been somewhat distracted also.

Some of these papers you have posted, I have never seen or read, so thanks, I have added to my list of study.

I think we are all working on the dream machine, we have all got our dreams. It must start at the start, if Electrical Power is not abundant, then we cannot dream! Electrical Energy is everything, imagine...

Quote

Believing: in the same ?
Who/What consults you and who/what consults me ?
Same level and viewpoint and Realtime ?   


I really like this bit, this is very powerful, we have all been given a "Life" what we do with it, how well we do, I believe must account for something at the end. Same if you don’t do well. What the trophy is at the finish line is anyone’s guess, it’s not about possessional gain, I think it’s about Spiritual Growth, and not what a Church teaches you. Cooky to some, I know!

Back to Tech, User “E2Matrix” posted this to my POC Thread, if some wish to read, I found it very good: A new type of electromagnetic radiation?  (https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://www.macmep.ru/new_em.htm)

We think of Magnetic Fields too loosely, and need to think more spatially. Many ways to change Inductance, so recent discussions by Cifta are good, I hope he continues to help with his circuits and experiments.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org




Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 11:35:09 AM
                                          I sometimes don’t give myself enough time to absorb! In the last few days I have had some health problems with my family, so my attention has been somewhat distracted also.


                                         Priorities of each them in his life !
Your are trying and other :cooperation !
When you are sleeping(or "hanging around"~ mental recuperation) other are working and thinking and probably feeling with back and forward view about the result from their work !
                                                               When other are sleeping you are working !

                                                                   The Earth - geral view- never sleeps


                                                                                Melhor saude !


p.s.: Is life fair,fairness,an affair ?
Pytagoras,Jesus Cristus and Dale Carnegie(letter/views collector and publisher): soul walking


Someone was sended as shoe-seller to a comercial district and after a timely period he comes back and told that he has not have success
because there the people did not weared shoes.He gave up the trial.
 
The company sended another seller to this comercial district: these seller came back,glad and thanked the administration for this chance of his life because there the people did not wered shoes before he came and showed how commod it is to have their feets saved.


                                                          point of view and interest   


Dale Carnegie and the Carnegie-Hall (for famous life artists) ,donated but by Andrew Carnegie(loco-motion)
                            to give the right tool to right hands (and believer)


Philosophie and Religion are tools- to become adult - ad ulterior ,blasphemie and haeresie is part to find the right balance:


                                          my God is Lord   L'ord ~       L'ordnung
                                                    outside  I am really Un-Ordnung




        Anybody will not "laugh" about this :


  Im Namen des Vaters und des Sohnes und des Heiligen Geistes


Der Papst stirbt und kommt an die Himmelstür. Petrus begrüßt ihn und fragt nach seinem Namen. "Ich bin der Papst!" "Papst, Papst", murmelt Petrus. "Tut mir leid, ich habe niemanden mit diesem Namen in meinem Buch." "Aber... ich bin der Stellvertreter Gottes auf Erden!" "Gott hat einen Stellvertreter auf Erden?", sagt Petrus verblüfft. "Komisch, hat er mir gar nichts von gesagt..." Der Papst läuft krebsrot an. "Ich bin das Oberhaupt der Katholischen Kirche!" "Katholische Kirche... nie gehört", sagt Petrus. "Aber warte mal nen Moment, ich frag den Chef." Er geht nach hinten in den Himmel und sagt zu Gott: "Du, da ist einer, der sagt, er sei dein Stellvertreter auf Erden. Er heißt Papst. Sagt dir das was?" "Nee", sagt Gott. "Kenn ich nicht. Weiß ich nichts von. Aber warte mal, ich frag Jesus. Jeeesus!" Jesus kommt angerannt. "Ja, Vater, was gibts?" Gott und Petrus erklären ihm die Situation. "Moment", sagt Jesus, "ich guck mir den mal an. Bin gleich zurück." Zehn Minuten später ist er wieder da, Tränen lachend. "Ich fass es nicht", japst er. "Erinnert ihr euch an den kleinen Fischerverein, den ich vor 2000 Jahren gegründet habe? Den gibts immer noch!"


I can "schmunzeln" and it it is important to live with this kind of "dope". Lachen ist die beste Medizin

the "Witz" translated :


The pope dies and goes to heaven's door. Peter greets him and asks for his name. "I am the Pope!" "Pope, Pope," murmurs Peter. "I'm sorry, I have no one by that name in my book." "But ... I am the representative of God on earth!" "God has a representative on earth?" Says Peter amazed. "Funny, he told me nothing of said ..." The Pope goes to red as a lobster. "I am the head of the Catholic Church!" "The Catholic Church ... never heard," says Peter. "But wait instant, but I ask the boss." He goes back to the sky and says to God: "You, there is one who says he is your representative on earth he called Pope Says you what..?" "Nah," says God. "I do not characteristic. I know of. But wait times nothing, I ask Jesus. Jeeesus!" Jesus comes running. "Yes, Father, what is it?" God and Peter explain the situation. "Wait," says Jesus, "I watch my time on. Be right back." Ten minutes later, he's back, tears, laughing. "I can not believe it," he gasps. "Do you remember the little fishing club that I have founded 2,000 years ago? The still there!"


                       Is this fine ? What ? To have this all compressed ,without sense and feeling pause !

                                                      The pope dies and goes to heaven's door.


                                                       Peter greets him and asks for his name.
                                                                          "I am the Pope!"
                     "Pope, Pope," murmurs Peter. "I'm sorry, I have no one by that name in my book."
                                              "But ... I am the representative of God on earth!"
                    "God has a representative on earth?" Says Peter amazed. "Funny, he told me nothing of said ..."
                         The Pope goes to red as a lobster. "I am the head of the Catholic Church!"
                        "The Catholic Church ... never heard," says Peter. "But wait instant, but I ask the boss."


 He goes back to the sky and says to God: "You, there is one who says he is your representative on earth he called Pope Says you what..?"                        "Nah," says God. "I do not characteristic. I know of. But wait times nothing, I ask Jesus. Jeeesus!
                                                       " Jesus comes running. "Yes, Father, what is it?"
                                                                 God and Peter explain the situation.
                                                 "Wait," says Jesus, "I watch my time on. Be right back."


                                                       Ten minutes later, he's back, tears, laughing.
           "I can not believe it," he gasps. "Do you remember the little fishing club that I have founded 2,000 years ago? The still there!"


                                Different "persons",different "geographical spaces and levels" : 1 "Witz"


                                    German: Gewitzt sein !                                     English: be tricky,clever



                                                                           and smart ::)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 01:11:05 PM
                                                 Nikola Tesla                    E=tc²

            "    Where have you been?  Where are you now?  Where are you going?    "

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmReSm77Z-Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmReSm77Z-Q)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 01:19:44 PM
Erfinder, Minkowski RAUM-ZEIT-KEGEL  WIRBEL/VORTEX   WANDLER ! Pi -e -g
                                Konstante und Transzendente 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
                        8) difficult to fix this question as answer 8)
                                                     borned(my view):

                   romanic imperium: Mauretania tingitis
                   today:                    Morocco,Marokko,Maroc
                                                 Casablanca


                                                   PERSPECTIVE
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/World_line-de.svg/250px-World_line-de.svg.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/World_line-de.svg/250px-World_line-de.svg.png)


p.s.: Why a geographical interest about my "coming" ? I do not ask you -directly- about your geographical "going" !


                                             Concentrating we us related KYBERNETIK !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Jeg on September 27, 2016, 01:42:29 PM
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   

Thanks
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 02:28:43 PM

Erfinder,homework ? Kinematische Relativismus, Kinematk
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKinematik_%28Teilchenprozesse%29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FKinematik_%28Teilchenprozesse%29&edit-text=)


Relativitaet : Theorie=Grundlagen ,Praxis=Anwendung      Relativity = basics, practice = application




and to work with patience : not Kinematk but Kinematik                                     "Third Eye" ~self-observe
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 02:36:11 PM
Okay ! You do not need it more ?
Will it become a "virtual reality" concept ? logos,chronolog,analog to digital to virtual
related:
Thanks.....but I don't need this for what I am doing

Are you giving the machine sense ? Your machine,Your sense ?

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 27, 2016, 02:37:42 PM
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   

Thanks

Yes,the discharge current will be very low,and the charge current will be very high.

The reason the charge current will be high,is because the impedance value is low-due to the shorted coil. The reason it will be low,is because there will be next to no CEMF,as there will be very little induced magnetic field thanks to the shorted coil,and so,very little self induction.

This is also the reason there will be very little discharge current--no bloody magnetic field(or very little)-thanks to the shorted coil.

This is why the mecramey army crew are good at making bathroom heaters  :D

In fact,very few people actually know how to take accurate P/in P/out measurements of the good old SSG pulse motor.
How about you guys here giving it a go,and see if any of you know how to take power measurements from the SSG circuit.
Below is the circuit. Using just DMMs(lets not worry about scopes for the time being),where would you place you DMMs to gather P/in current and voltage?-->place one DMM to read P/in voltage,and another DMM to read P/in current in the diagram below,and lets see how you go.


Brad

P.S
Although the circuit below is the solid state version,the same applies.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 02:51:13 PM
Erfinder,what is about that ? http://www.sensortime.com/index-de.html
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 03:28:54 PM

Useless in my opinion, at least until one is in the position to generate power in unlimited quantity, whenever, and wherever it is required.


Regards
 


".....one is in the position...." : "one" as defined by who or what ? Restriction versus Full Autonomy : KI
                                                    who/what consults the "neuronal KI"- mind ?
               
                                                                         Me I see in You : physically,PSI-cally ?
                                                                                 Trans-/Tele-porting


                                                                           Useless thinking or prophylaxe ?
                                                                               to con.cern ? /conc.ern ?             f.e. Tesla autonom car and several other temptations
                                                                                                                                                         related KI or Autonom-Intelligence
                                                                                                                                                         selflearning and self-evaluating


https://www.wired.com/2013/10/how-the-freaky-octopus-can-help-us-understand-the-human-brain/ (https://www.wired.com/2013/10/how-the-freaky-octopus-can-help-us-understand-the-human-brain/)
           emitter/sender: brain(image,words) ,intention,translation receiver: brain,intention,translation(words,image)


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fmediathek%2Fvideos%2Fpanorama%2FGott-liebt-das-frohe-Geniessen-des-Menschen-article17424901.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fmediathek%2Fvideos%2Fpanorama%2FGott-liebt-das-frohe-Geniessen-des-Menschen-article17424901.html&edit-text=)
                                                                               God loves the merry enjoying       the people
                                                          The God-machine loves the merry enjoying:(of)the people


I am ab-/ or normal: psychologic ?
http://www.seelischegesundheit.net/themen/psychische-erkrankungen/erkrankungen-von-a-z (http://www.seelischegesundheit.net/themen/psychische-erkrankungen/erkrankungen-von-a-z)
Animals are ab-/normal : psychologic ?
KI is/are ab-/normal : psychologic (~ synthetical life : selflearning and deciding ! )


This are we,humanoids with human feelings :
I was it,I am proud to did it ! The First  The other,"you are the best !"Applause ,Bravo
I was it,I am ashamed to did it ! Middle The other,"it is human,you tried your best !" Next trial !
I was it,I capitulate to did it ! The Last The other "Kill him,lynch him !" death penal


What do we expect from KI when it shall work
a. as military killer-machine       b. robo-cop
c. medicine d. architect d. -z ,a1 ....                    to overtake all the functions of us humans,
but also our "relative humanity" ( ::) Ausschwitz/Dachau,Stalingrad,Sarajewo/Srebenica,Aleppo,....)

Sexus from the KI-MEN-Maschine ? Male,female,transgender/neutrum ?

                                         In my Cyberspace nothing is impossible
But for me as humanoid man it,the possibility from variations, has to resolve my daily problems during my life ! But my targets are commode,not glutton !
(KI- targets ? Finger-tip,Finger,Body,.... soul,....? God-Machine )

Living as part from a "machine",does it not be sufficient to see "mother nature/UniversumI" as womb ?
Or is "mother nature" pregnant and soon there will be a birth: new  Parallel-Universen ?

            (Hell/bright) matter and dark matter : from bio-physical view : fe-/male neutrum !?
                                materie       anti-materie


What will we get in Future-world : Pandora/Medusa  Babylon5/Star Treck/Stargate


                                           Orakel for question and answer ?
God(the shah-in-shah) + Man(shah)  f.e. Dalai-Lama or the japanese "Tenno"(before WW2)  ?
The POPE(God representant on roman orbs/urbs-earth) for the rom.-catholic church members ?


 Vision 2100/3000 : there are studies ,conditioning ? the "perpetuum mobile" is a.(im-)b.possible ?


actuall a sentence in a song " ...what are you waiting for ?..."
My question in a song would be ".. what,in Heavens Name,are they,he,I,we fighting for ?..."


your,they sin(n) of life and values  to conserve as human kind erve for the next human/-oid generation


The Tesla car "neuronal brain" shall decide to overdrive a.the older people or b.the young people
if there is the situation,by accident,to resolve the brake distance up to the stop point ?
Car velocity question ? Concentration question from street passants ? Mobility question ?
when a Tiger kill the first Time a human,will it not by the next time repeat this activity ?


What is for KI the given information about value from humans ?
Older less worth than the youth ?


 How old is the KI-Program(m)er ?
Loves/Hates he his grand-father(grann(d)pa/father("Dad") grand-mother/mother(gran(d)ma,"Mom")?


It is not the machine,it is the Parametric,which will become incorporated to the machine,
Parameter decided by "several humans",who decides about life and death of other !


This is a Constitution question about the allowance and clearly for ethic commissions !

                                                      Life : ent-/art(et)
positive Eugenik Pythia Games,Olymp                       negative Eugenik Dachau/Sachsenhausen

Aristocratie: "The Best"                                            Aristocratie: "VFolk" (abused expression)

                                      "parametric generator" me I see in you ?


                    ZEUS ZEU CEU CYBER CYBERWORLD CYBERWORLDGAMES

                               ex-/in-clusion PARA-CYBERWORLDGAMES ?


                                   or "perfect members only in the clube" ?

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 27, 2016, 05:18:04 PM

Not sure why you think you know what I am talking about.....You might know what Carroll is talking about.  This is much bigger than what you think I am talking about.

snip

Regards


Ah, the cat and mouse have returned


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 27, 2016, 06:34:07 PM
Assuming one is in the position to circumvent the negative effects associated with the "elevated" self inductance of the higher value coil, no, current during discharge will not be less.  The question is can you establish the conditions necessary to circumvent the negative effects associated with the elevated self inductance of the higher value coil during discharge?


Some minds are already made up on this subject.


Regards


Would this circumvention have anything to do with charging then discharging while the inductance is rising (dL/dt giving rise to negative resistance) VS charging in low inductive state, pausing to let the inductance rise, then discharging? 


Thanks


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 27, 2016, 07:49:11 PM

whatever....


Well you had asked the question, how three coils are connected and numerous hints to inductance. So when Carroll posted that circuit plus your admittance of earlier postings on this subject, with provided links, seemed to me to be confirmation?


In some ways I think this ties in with the Alexander motor generator. I built a version at the time but my results were less than spectacular as the rotor I used was too small and the winding, being an addition, along with another commutator,(slip rings) were pathetic.

Self biasing, are we getting into mag amp territory here?

However it is good to talk all around this "subject" as my interest is certainly strong.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 09:38:09 PM
Hello Erfinder,about point of (translated)view (by thirds:translator) : #780
your sentence into google translator to german and from google german to google english :
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None of the information being disseminated by the resident authority can be used by folk on these pages for accomplishing the "collective" dream.

                                                    the same ? SEMANTICs ~ Neurologic Kinematik
                                                                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics)

None of the information is processed by the local authority, to "collective" dream of the people are used on these pages for the implementation of.
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                         about trust to the neurologic tool evolution stage !
              BTW: what did you want to define(tell us included me) or explain with this sentence ?
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          German language "special" tools: Partizip,gerundiv,Gerundium,Adverbiale
          google translation:                        Participle, gerund, gerund, Adverbiale
                                                                               SYNTAX ERROR !

          How good is the google language Parametrie integrating programer ?
          Does he/she understand his/her own native language ?

         Production process error risc,administrated by neurologic operator !
         Sony/Samsung capacitor ! Tesla car "driver" ! ........
         TAKATA Airbag ?
         Planes fly program ?
         Missiles ?
         
         How good is the educated and diplomed physician/engineer in his own and translated       
         languages,maths and formulas written and Unit definition as physical process ?


         Teacher,tell me,please,what is one Volt ? In volume !? In weight !?
                                                        one Ampere ?
                                                        one Watt ?
         Henry,Siemens,Tesla,Torr,Sievert,.............
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: minnie on September 27, 2016, 10:08:01 PM
Why do you all blame poor old Lenz when it's really
Newton?
          John.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 27, 2016, 10:16:58 PM
I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off.  But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see.  If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted.  When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding.  The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12.  The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts.  There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap.  But pulses do strange things with transformers.  And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.

 Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary.  See what you get.  You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.


Carroll,

It has come to my attention that the 680 ohm resistor for Q1 going to the bottom of the coil could lead to problematic operation of Q1.

Would it not be better to go to the top of the coil? (battery Plus)

Thanks,

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 27, 2016, 10:17:45 PM
Newton and Lorentz Transformation : + https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Dawidowitsch_Landau (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Dawidowitsch_Landau)
                                             
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLew_Dawidowitsch_Landau&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLew_Dawidowitsch_Landau&edit-text=)
                                                           + https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Dmitrijewitsch_Sacharow (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Dmitrijewitsch_Sacharow)  Slojka(Blätterteig) Design

           page 43,# 643 : hyperphysics-link nuclear (thermocryobaric) power

 BiNomische              Term
                                 Terminology
                               DeTerminanten 
                               DeTermination
 
U.S.A.      Atomar/Nuclear program developed in co-development by german re-/searcher/scientists
U.S.S.R.                                                          idem
                 f.e. "The red Baron" von Ardenne
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FManfred_von_Ardenne&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FManfred_von_Ardenne&edit-text=)
 
West-Germany,counter-part : Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizs (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCarl_Friedrich_von_Weizs)äcker


https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=binomische+determination&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=binomische+determination&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850508&CC=EP&NR=0140041A1&KC=A1

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Corea-war : (east-) german consult strategy    who won ?   How and why ?
                                                                                             Probably Clausewitz, do not know !
                                                                                             For me not of interest !   
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                                        Lenz free generator : SUPERCONDUCTOR
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Bednorz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Alexander_Müller
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 27, 2016, 11:07:47 PM

Carroll,

It has come to my attention that the 680 ohm resistor for Q1 going to the bottom of the coil could lead to problematic operation of Q1.

Would it not be better to go to the top of the coil? (battery Plus)

Thanks,

Ron

Ron,

I see what you mean but I built it like the schematic and it seemed to work OK that way.  I have used that same idea of the resistor from collector to base with an opto-coupler for controlling relays with no problem also.  But a high resistance load or straight resistance could cause a voltage drop at the collector to be large enough to cause problems with the resistor connected there.  If I was going to go to the top of the coil I would probably increase the resistance value according to what transistor I was using.  By the way I didn't show on the schematic but the transistors are 2n3055s.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 27, 2016, 11:33:30 PM
Ron,

I see what you mean but I built it like the schematic and it seemed to work OK that way.  I have used that same idea of the resistor from collector to base with an opto-coupler for controlling relays with no problem also.  But a high resistance load or straight resistance could cause a voltage drop at the collector to be large enough to cause problems with the resistor connected there.  If I was going to go to the top of the coil I would probably increase the resistance value according to what transistor I was using.  By the way I didn't show on the schematic but the transistors are 2n3055s.

Carroll


Hey Carroll, can you tell me some things about your circuit? 


With the circuit as is and the capacitor discharged to 0v, how much potential available in the cap is harvested from the collapsing magnetic field after one pulse?


Now take the same circuit (starting at zero volts) and remove the shorting transistor so that the coil does not short, how much potential is gathered in the cap  after one pulse?


And one last one... Can you take the above two situations and repeat them, but this time adding a FWBR to the primary and funnel that into your output cap in addition to the secondary?  By putting this across the primary, it is going to fill the cap to a starting point of Vbat - 2 diode drops of voltage.    From here we can calculate energy by taking the difference in energy of the two potentials.


I would do this but am working on rewinding a motor core and don't have a lot of time...


Thanks


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 27, 2016, 11:51:18 PM
Hi Dave,

Well I did my testing on this circuit a month or so ago and will have to put it back together to do the tests you asked for.  I am currently taking care of my wife who had foot surgery last week so my actual time for testing is somewhat limited.  I will try to do that for you in the next day or so.  I will post the results.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 28, 2016, 12:08:05 AM
Carroll,


Don't worry about it.  I can assemble it if I am so inclined.  I just thought you had it sitting around.


THanks
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 12:59:54 AM

"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of a given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction."


Nikola Tesla



OMG - You have NO IDEA what this means!!! Oompa Loompa Magic!!!

The great Nicola Tesla, who's name, and works, are completely misconstrued by people like yourself, worked with Resonance, this is a Resonance condition that Nikola Tesla was talking about! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.

You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on September 28, 2016, 01:19:07 AM


OMG - You have NO IDEA what this means!!! Oompa Loompa Magic!!!

The great Nicola Tesla, who's name, and works, are completely misconstrued by people like yourself, worked with Resonance, this is a Resonance condition that Nikola Tesla was talking about! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.

You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Team Bedini have there own science--this is why they have so many !self runners!  :D

An inductor with no self inductance ,is just a length of wire--a bathroom heater  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 01:19:54 AM

Would this circumvention have anything to do with charging then discharging while the inductance is rising (dL/dt giving rise to negative resistance) VS charging in low inductive state, pausing to let the inductance rise, then discharging? 


Thanks


Dave


Dave, the inductance of a Coil changes in time with the Magnetic Field (B) change in time. So every time the Magnetic Field changes in value, so does the Inductance.

If the Magnetic Field were stationary, and the Coil Stationary, but a means were implemented to vary the Inductance in Time, then an EMF would also be generated - This is another way to view the Parametric Oscillator.

Reactance:
   Inductive Reactance (XL)
   Capacitive Reactance (XC)

Each one of these values in a Coil are a Measure of the Coils performance vs Frequency, never will these values be Zero unless no Frequency is applied.

These values present a Resistance to the Change, known as Impedance (Z) which also is inclusive of the "Omic Resistance" that was mentioned.



So don’t be fooled by the King of BS!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 03:00:45 AM
Team Bedini have there own science--this is why they have so many !self runners!  :D

An inductor with no self inductance ,is just a length of wire--a bathroom heater  ;)


Brad



Exactly!!!

In a LC Resonant Circuit, this presents a "Dampening" or a Loss, as Heat, I2R Losses, other factors play a role also, Hysteresis and so on.

So, unless we are "Generating" Energy, we will always see a Resonant Tank that decays over time, but "Generate" Energy, enough to cover Losses and a bit more, without affecting the Resonance, then we see Increases over Time.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 28, 2016, 03:28:41 AM

Dave, the inductance of a Coil changes in time with the Magnetic Field (B) change in time. So every time the Magnetic Field changes in value, so does the Inductance.

If the Magnetic Field were stationary, and the Coil Stationary, but a means were implemented to vary the Inductance in Time, then an EMF would also be generated - This is another way to view the Parametric Oscillator.

Reactance:
   Inductive Reactance (XL)
   Capacitive Reactance (XC)

Each one of these values in a Coil are a Measure of the Coils performance vs Frequency, never will these values be Zero unless no Frequency is applied.

These values present a Resistance to the Change, known as Impedance (Z) which also is inclusive of the "Omic Resistance" that was mentioned.



So don’t be fooled by the King of BS!!!


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Yes, I am aware of these traditionally defined things that go on within a ferrous core inductor.  I've even put in a number of hours in working with parametric  oscillation.  There was no free lunch in my configurations despite my best efforts to produce.  I have seen a number of citations suggesting variations of L and C in circuits creates novel energy conditions.  I still believe the answer to be hidden within this concept.  I just do not know yet how to tune a circuit to create the conditions of which I am trying to produce.  I do believe Jim Murray speaks the truth as I have met him and heard encouraging stories about him from Dollard.  I am more inclined to listen to the 'King of BS' because some of his words resonate  with me and inspire me to try things I have not yet tried with my SERPS replication as well as other devices I've pieced together for testing purposes.  Please, if you have 'the' answer and can produce a novel device, do so and I will give you my full attention.  But please stop discouraging an otherwise inspiring exchange.
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 03:29:34 AM


When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.





I need to explain this a bit more, as it may not be understood how it was meant.

XC and XL still exist in the Circuit, and are real values, even at resonance. Where: the Coils XC is equal to its XL.

Each value is said to cancel the other. So the Value is still there, but the Effects of each are Equal and Opposite, which means what exactly??? Yes thats right...

Look, my very good Friend Smoky taught me all I know, so a real big thanks to him!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 04:20:29 AM

Yes, I am aware of these traditionally defined things that go on within a ferrous core inductor.  I've even put in a number of hours in working with parametric  oscillation.  There was no free lunch in my configurations despite my best efforts to produce.  I have seen a number of citations suggesting variations of L and C in circuits creates novel energy conditions.  I still believe the answer to be hidden within this concept.  I just do not know yet how to tune a circuit to create the conditions of which I am trying to produce.  I do believe Jim Murray speaks the truth as I have met him and heard encouraging stories about him from Dollard.  I am more inclined to listen to the 'King of BS' because some of his words resonate  with me and inspire me to try things I have not yet tried with my SERPS replication as well as other devices I've pieced together for testing purposes.  Please, if you have 'the' answer and can produce a novel device, do so and I will give you my full attention.  But please stop discouraging an otherwise inspiring exchange.
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Web000x - I will not sit back and watch as one deliberately miss-leads the masses. Sorry it’s just not the right thing to do!

If I had something incorrect, I would expect nothing less, I expect the same from all. We will never get anywhere BS'íng each other!

You come searching, because you have not found what you’re looking for elsewhere, namely the Murrakami Army.

We have had several devices shown in the last 18 Months that are very well documented and also very hard to dispute, so why not concentrate on Hard Facts rather than Miss-Guided BS!!!

You were very polite and asked nicely, some may have stepped down, but that is destructive, and not constructive as you may see it.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



P.S: I have thought long and hard about this, since your last request. There is a big difference between Paying Someone Out and Correcting the Train of Thought! My Intentions are good, we need to think logically, we need to focus, we need to be as accurate as possible, and most important need to be honest!


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 28, 2016, 08:48:27 AM
                                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0iQ0hCNcao (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0iQ0hCNcao)
           Schwarzer RIESE ? The Greatest ! GIGANT (some call it also : Giant ,did they missionaries lost during the journey some letters ?)
                                                                 GIGA -Byte
                 
                                                                 Problem for Unlistener to/of foreign languages:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Feasypronunciation.com%2Fde%2Fipa-phonetic-transcription-converters&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Feasypronunciation.com%2Fde%2Fipa-phonetic-transcription-converters&edit-text=)


                                                                               written                       spoken     


                                                                                comb                        com  excluded (b)                                      Kamm
                                                                                know                        excluded the (K'appa=k)now                    noscere,scire         
                                                                                Erdogan                   excluded the (g) Erdo--an           


Citizen to visitor: Oh,hello,from where are you ?
                            From Ireland,Eire !(L'yra,the harp/Harfe)
                            Aha,and from where there ?
                            From  Llanfairpwll­gwyngyllgogery­chwyrndrobwll­llantysilio­gogogoch !                                                                                                                                     :-\ :-X :P ::)
                            And what mean this-translated- for Dummies ?                         
„Marienkirche (Llanfair) in einer Mulde (pwll) weißer Haseln (gwyn gyll) in der Nähe (ger) eines schnellen Wirbels(chwyrn drobwll) und der Thysiliokirche (llantysilio) bei der roten Höhle (ogo goch).“

this  to     english by google:
"Marienkirche (Llanfair) in a trough (Pwll) white hazel (gwyn Gyll) close (ger) a quick vortex (chwyrn drobwll) and Thysiliokirche (Llantysilio) in the red cave (ogo goch)."

                             Aha,thank you ! And good bye !                           

 :o 8) close (ger) , and ger(house/yurte) and ger(lance/speer)
            ::)  ger-men(fe-/male)[/size] ,

                                                  german  :-* gerwoman ,
                   belieb du mich 2 ? Answer,inpolite: Bleib mir bloss vom Laibe !
               

                                                               
                                  http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image// (http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image//)


          http://lh6.ggpht.com/SWGjLSdKmQ-e3iVuYMLuN1883SFSMekLs0mCxECzhUPrJT3Lve6Ou1YyGPw=s1200 (http://lh6.ggpht.com/SWGjLSdKmQ-e3iVuYMLuN1883SFSMekLs0mCxECzhUPrJT3Lve6Ou1YyGPw=s1200)


                                                                                            O
         SO FINE                                                                                                                                    SO HORRIBLE


         CREATION                                                                                                                                        DESTROY




                                                                                         WORDS
        create                                                                                                                                                 destroy


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                                                               SEMANTICs ~ Neurologic Kinematik                                                                                                                                                                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics)
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                   Did Tesla translated his thinking in his own -native (serbian)language or in "american -physics idiomatic-english "?
              Are/were "phsiycs idioms" as same used in Europe as in the U.S.A.? First international convention and "physics constitution "?
                              Was not German the physics idiomatic language ? But is German not "hidden Latin" ? 
                              Were the first scientists not member from the catholic/later included the Evangelistic church ? Language internal ?
                                     In the church the "holly mess/pray" : was the language not in Latin ?
                                     Since when Latin became excluded from science,from the Universities as common language worldwide ?
                                     Mother-language Mother= alma mater not our biological mother                  religion~Thinking/Philosophy
                                     Father-language  Pater/Patria from where you belong/nationality                regime/estate (L'etat,c'est moi)

                                         18.century,19.century,20.century ? in-/excluded Currie work results : nuclear power ?

                                                                           cuius regio,cuius religio


                                                            "the perpetuum mobile is impossible"
                                               under which -expressed/writtten/defined- condition !


                                                             if the machine is working 24/365 then :
                                1.kind (process explanation)? ,2.kind (process explanation),3.kind (process explanation)


          hypo-thesis(can be or not ?! : re-/search)    trial and error or success      thesis(dissertation)  officially by: quod erat demonstrandum


                                                        laudare et premiare et includere "membro de academia de (con)scientia" 


                                                     I love (Vizcaya,Biscya) I lobe I (ge)lobe  ~ I glove (to save) Verlobung (Verheiratung  8)  Welche ? ;)  )

                                   esse : Praesens ,Praeteritum ,Futur I,II,Perfekt,Imperfekt,Plusquamperfekt,.......
                                   quod ? what~that
                                   erat : eram~I was ,eras~ You was(were) ,erat~ he,she,it was
                                   de monstrare showing,testimoning,Indiz, MONSTRANZ,Monstrant (ma,ta,sa, mon/ton/son )


                                              WORDs can be used as weapon: RUFMORD          MORD= KILL  RUF~PERSON(-ality)


Chris Sykes :
"You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts." to Erfinder


                                                                                              1-1=0
                                                                             LEAD                                 Understanding
                                                                     MISS-                                MISS-                                                                                                                           
                                 
                                   Erfinder : SYNTAX right,SEMANTICS wrong ?
                                   EMJUNKIE: SYNTAX right,SEMANTICS wrong ?


                                  LancaIV :SYNTAX right ;SEMANTICS wrong ?

                                                           Balance/Waage
                                  Mene(left side weight),mene(right side weight), tekel ? :
                                  valhe-me deus                               me-me       ?-us ?
                                        TIME WILL TELL : do not worry,no in hurry       


I hope here are neither "Marquis de Sade life philosophy" follower = Sadisten nor Masochisten : Sado-Maso treatment of each other 


Lorentz Transformation + Newton Determinanten : E=mc²         Tesla+ Currie E=tc² 
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=nikola+tesla+speech&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=nikola+tesla+speech&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
what and how (Syntax and Semantics) did Tesla explained in his speech in front of his professional audience related "Radiant energy" !?
[the audience individuals: open minded? arrogant ? enclosed : he is not one of US(US: academy of science from the U.S.A.) !
(Will never be ?) ACCEPTANCE ! Or Deny by FACTS ! THESSIS-REPEAT and content become common and used ]


                           How many errors are in the languages ? Written or spoken and in con-versa-tion ?
                                                       Error-erve by wrong didaction and/or dictation !
                          "It is" how it is ! Explain me this -IT-  in words,image and by physical creation     


                                                                                   Free speech or
                     only fragmental(partial) because (constitution) constitutional,religion/ethical,economical interests
                                                              from the speaker/wroter or  the society ?


                                                                                   allowance,patience
1 academic life :  5-6 years old pupil learns 1-4 years basics  up to 7 years secondary,high school (escola: later escolhar waehlen,voting)
                            studying(sich be-Muehen fuer/um Verstaendnis) up to 12 semester for each fac(h)ulta diplom
                            EP-patent office "peers": sparly example(not common)
                                              Dr.phil.,Dr.rer.nat./Dr.jur. "3 Titles in 1"   :o  how many years ? seriell/parallel ? :P 
( sind die "Herrschaften" mit dem Mentalen der eingereichten Schrifteninhalte ausgelastet ? ;D 
 Hey Jungs vom Buero 99,hier ist wieder so ein "Spinner" der wieder mal "ein portables Atomkraftwerk patentiert bekommen will ! Legt es auf die "Abgelehnt !"-Ablage oder gleich in das "Akte-X-Archiv  ::)  Die versuchen es immer wieder ! Die kapieren es nie !  p.m.:IAEO  )
                                                                   
                            US patent office "peers" : minimum qualification to decide about no/grant ? Deeming !       


Finally: https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiz-karlsruhe.de%2Fde%2Fim-blickpunkt%2Farchiv%2Fdas-buero-99-geheime-patentierung.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.fiz-karlsruhe.de%2Fde%2Fim-blickpunkt%2Farchiv%2Fdas-buero-99-geheime-patentierung.html&edit-text=)
                                                                       The Office 99: Secret patenting
                                                                      NDA: Non Disclosure Agreement
                                                                                 freely or dictated                                                                       


                                     http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image// (http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image//)
                        http://www.ialana.de/files/pdf/arbeitsfelder/frieden/humanit (http://www.ialana.de/files/pdf/arbeitsfelder/frieden/humanit)äres%20vö-recht/Buch-GA.pdf
                                                                   thermoaccoustic tools( or as weapon)
 Convention from Geneve and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiselnahme_in_der_japanischen_Botschaft_Lima_1996 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geiselnahme_in_der_japanischen_Botschaft_Lima_1996)
                                                                             Schall/Sonic/Resonanz
                                                                                    ATOM/ASOM
                                                                             SOMNIARE/SOMNIUM     
                                                                        HYPERSCHALL/HYPERSONIC                                                                                                                                     http://lh6.ggpht.com/SWGjLSdKmQ-e3iVuYMLuN1883SFSMekLs0mCxECzhUPrJT3Lve6Ou1YyGPw=s1200 (http://lh6.ggpht.com/SWGjLSdKmQ-e3iVuYMLuN1883SFSMekLs0mCxECzhUPrJT3Lve6Ou1YyGPw=s1200)


                                                                    Dream-Machine and Time-Machine
                                                                              Dream-Time-Machine             


                                                                   Dream-Time ?  Minkowski Raum-Zeit-Kontinuum
  https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTraumzeit&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FTraumzeit&edit-text=)


For the Aborigines are in the dreamtime rather the "spiritual, natural and moral order of the universe", [2] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumzeit&usg=ALkJrhgE1JKU33pH-JIYZELTpNXjuY1bcA#cite_note-2) and dream in this context means the collective capacity, the world and its relationships to correctly understand and use, the mythical to reflect the world as part of an act of worship, and to own vitality. This may be associated with the normal, individual dreams quite. [3] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumzeit&usg=ALkJrhgE1JKU33pH-JIYZELTpNXjuY1bcA#cite_note-3)
In another Central Australian language, the Pitjantjatjara (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitjantjatjara&usg=ALkJrhipgCA2Ja3Ta0IF3OHyYGXNhcH70w) , called the Dreamtime tjukurrpa. In other languages ​​Aboriginal there again own terms for the Dreamtime, but it is always the same thing meant by. "The Dreamtime is in stories [exclusively] verbally represented" [4] (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traumzeit&usg=ALkJrhgE1JKU33pH-JIYZELTpNXjuY1bcA#cite_note-4) .

                                                             is presented and is represented: active and passive view

                                                                                             Erfinder:
 None of the information being disseminated by the resident authority can be used by folk on these pages for accomplishing the "collective" dream.


         Kojak,Telly Savallas,would have  shout: German synchronisation"Entzueckend (,Baby) !(google english : Lovely)"
                                                          and take a new Lolli-Pop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xaVdkfj_8M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xaVdkfj_8M)
                                                                                                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFOIXv2br_4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFOIXv2br_4)             


                         "Lovely,Babe" ? Original: "Who loves ya,Baby ? ( Clearly you,"Daddy" )   


German:  spoken mei Mo' = written/meaning mein Mann               
                                       Vocals and Consonants : (un-)written and/or (un-)spoken


                                                 The Secrets of Languages and the Danger of Misleading/Misunderstanding
                                                 1000 Words(Danger) to Image to Prototype           


                                                  then later : A(h) and up to O(h) -shout              al "fa to O" mega             an -alphabet(a)                                     
Aristoteles : bestia,bestialis anima,animalis          bestia,positive : Monstruo be fantastic y amazing.


Peter Drucker : In search of excellence
other "Drucker" : In search of anima/alma


                           German : Leu                                                               English translation by google: Leu




                              https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=leu&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=leu&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)


                                          L'Oi,c'est moi      Eu ;D     do not forget: black(african)humor         


                                                         Schisma,Divorce,Decision,Entscheidung,Trennung
                                            Bindung,Ehe,Marriage,Haesion,Fixierung,Fixation,Casamento


for the one hand : positive or negative Arguments                                     for the other hand: negative or positive Arguments           
as member from the cristian philosophy we shall become ad-ult(-s/erior) and reach a position like this symbolic Monument
                                                                                                                                 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Cristo_Redentor_Rio_de_Janeiro_2.jpg/220px-Cristo_Redentor_Rio_de_Janeiro_2.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Cristo_Redentor_Rio_de_Janeiro_2.jpg/220px-Cristo_Redentor_Rio_de_Janeiro_2.jpg)                               


                                                                            Argus: Hawk but also the Judge
                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                         Argus-Auge/Eye ? Argus-Augen/Eyes ?
                                                           Das(singular)Auge des(singular) des Gesetzes(singular)     


                                                                                  Le'o + Argus= Leu, 3.2.1. Kind rank  LEU     
                                                     


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                       
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Jeg on September 28, 2016, 12:45:46 PM

Is this a test?  Are you here to check me or put me in check, or is your question genuine?  Please be honest....


Regards

Erfinder, i admire your work, and i am not in a position to test you, or any other researcher inside here. My question raised out of the contradiction of what you said and the equation of energy. At least as my perceptions sense it. Your answer which implies resonance while discharging, is something that needs further consideration from my part. Thanks for the mind food!

Carol, thanks for sharing this circuit. I wish you a quick recovery! ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 28, 2016, 01:00:40 PM
                                                                       AXIOM
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAxiom&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAxiom&edit-text=)

An axiom is a principle (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grundsatz&usg=ALkJrhghc1EW_CQHs0L_6Pi-vrkcGVJaeA) of a theory (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theorie&usg=ALkJrhjT-BpnctaoVZ-vm2Aldyyx0hSzpA) , a scienc (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wissenschaft&usg=ALkJrhiMrjLlPwkb1DBQ4AqyLjYFCDrEbg)e or an axiomatic system (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiomensystem&usg=ALkJrhie7F2Bgd0XWz1opEaX5pLfWYmHsA) which is not within this system founded (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begr%25C3%25BCndung&usg=ALkJrhi9IjfWFx8Y3vHAIqgL04VXSNkmtQ) or deductively (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deduktion&usg=ALkJrhitB2m7LziWFhqXqzc4MI4cO0Ny6g) derived.

                                                                       AXIOM
                                                      Mathematik CONSTITUTION
                                               https://www.ems-ph.org/journals/journal.php?jrn=em (https://www.ems-ph.org/journals/journal.php?jrn=em)


                                                                        AXIOM
                                                      Chemie CONSTITUTION
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FChemie&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FChemie&edit-text=)


                                                                      AXIOM
                                                      Physik CONSTITUTION[/size]
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-ulm.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fwebsite_uni_ulm%2Fnawi.inst.251%2FDidactics%2Fthermodynamik%2FINHALT%2FHAUPTS.HTM (https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.uni-ulm.de%2Ffileadmin%2Fwebsite_uni_ulm%2Fnawi.inst.251%2FDidactics%2Fthermodynamik%2FINHALT%2FHAUPTS.HTM)
                                                     
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                                                             perpetuum mobile ?
                                                           Academie francaise,Paris
                                            when did the deeming/withdrawing happen ?
    https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPerpetuum_mobile&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FPerpetuum_mobile&edit-text=)


when disclosed the couple Currie the "radioactivity by elementary decay" and when did Otto Hahn the first "atomic/nuclear chain reaction" table test(e) ?



           Legislative/jurisdicative/executive  AXIOM and CONSTITUTION COMMANDMENTS

                                                           Earth(body) power mandate                                     
Kings/President(and his parliament) his(her: female King/President) "HEAL/GABE/GNADE" existant ?
                                                 Test(e) ? Dynasty-argument ! Erbrecht/Erbpflicht
                                                         
                                                                Theological  AXIOM
                                                                Clerical Constitution
                                                  Heaven(ment,thinking) power mandate
                                                                Gott existent ?
 Gott,german ? GOD,english ! GOD ? DIEU,french ! DIEU ? DIOS,spanish ! DIOS ? DEUS,portuguese,latin ! DEUS ? ALLAH,arabic ! ALLAH ? JHWE,jewish !
                                                   
              [   Ach Kinders,LMAA(kindisch I) ! Oder : LMAO(kindisch II) ! Flexibel !
                                                   anal,oral,vaginal(okay,imaginaer bin male),penital


                       LIFE IS SCHICKSAL,KISMET,FATUM,OXALA ;written ,(un-)spoken ? 
                                             meaning ?


 Ein jeder ist seines Glueckes Schmied; Hilft dir nicht Gott,so (be-)helfe dich(dir) selbst
                 
ich                      Sigmund Freud             ich          du       er,sie,es
meiner                                           Ueber-ich
mir                                                          ES
mich                   Heinz Ryborz      Ueber-ES




              Platon: the search to find the way to "love" and/or God)
                                           
                                 Inspiration,Zauberei,Magie : it(i`)s a kind of magic   
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMuse_%28Mythologie%29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMuse_%28Mythologie%29&edit-text=)

                         MUSEN=Kunst=ART(ist/-ik) und WEISEN=KINDs(-er,several Variator)
             to the Name the Symbol:"monumentare",fixation for non educated people=Analphabets
                            blind Justitia: Law and order,Mercator: mercado,market ........                                                     
                                      not: Kunstart ~ grauer(cinzent/grew) Schimmel (horse-kind),
                                             imaginare ~ tra/-nsducere/-duere ~ transforming
                                                    i magination : i do magic/i do imagine
                                                                 il-luminare /il-lustrare

                                                                  Imagination: Illusion
                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSqNmHcSE0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJSqNmHcSE0)


                   Goetterfunke ? ".... und er hauchte sein Ode(m)......" Starter for the cycle,eternal ?
     perpetuum ? mobile ? not possible ,say the academicians there in Paris and albeit in the world



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                                    Thermodynamic tool,Plasmagas(vulgo : Electricity): Varistor           
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVaristor&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVaristor&edit-text=)


                                     and a (un-/wished ?) feedback cycle:
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gutefrage.net%2Ffrage%2Fwas-ist-die-rueckkopplung-beim-radio&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gutefrage.net%2Ffrage%2Fwas-ist-die-rueckkopplung-beim-radio&edit-text=)


A feedback to a radio is as follows: The signal is taken after the first stage and passed through a condenser back to the antenna input return.
In the variable capacitor of the feedback is adjustable.This signal is amplified significantly.
Was used in straight receivers or Audion.In superhet it is no longer necessary!

                                                                 and
http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image// (http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/160409/image//)


                                                Echo-Hall and Vocoder
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVocoder&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FVocoder&edit-text=)
                                                         Schallwellen

                                                         MODULATOR:
                  combination from Varistor and variable capacitor = transmitter


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThermoakustik&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FThermoakustik&edit-text=)


for more search,link: thermal-voltage also called thermal-noise,thermionic converter


                                             de-/en-coder/-chiffrier technology


                                              power dense possibilities range :
                                                            Der Schrei ::)
by circuit cooling (up to 0° Kelvin): Hmmm,sehr high ! Higgs
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on September 28, 2016, 04:08:03 PM


Web000x - I will not sit back and watch as one deliberately miss-leads the masses. Sorry it’s just not the right thing to do!

If I had something incorrect, I would expect nothing less, I expect the same from all. We will never get anywhere BS'íng each other!

You come searching, because you have not found what you’re looking for elsewhere, namely the Murrakami Army.

We have had several devices shown in the last 18 Months that are very well documented and also very hard to dispute, so why not concentrate on Hard Facts rather than Miss-Guided BS!!!

You were very polite and asked nicely, some may have stepped down, but that is destructive, and not constructive as you may see it.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



P.S: I have thought long and hard about this, since your last request. There is a big difference between Paying Someone Out and Correcting the Train of Thought! My Intentions are good, we need to think logically, we need to focus, we need to be as accurate as possible, and most important need to be honest!

You do not know me so please don't make assumptions about me.  It is fine that you already have your mind made up about all electrical phenomena but don't tell me to whom I should listen.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 28, 2016, 05:47:05 PM
                     Here,Erfinder, a Test(e) about neurologic competence :
                                     german  :-*  gerwoman
 inputing this to google translator english-german/Deutsch to see the evolution stage :


                           output:        Deutsch: - * Deutsch          no sexus (female,male, "only" neutrum)
                 n(a)o sense independant if sense or nonsense is hidden in the text


                  And the neurologic program,KI, shall decide about life or death ?


Emser Depesche, https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEmser_Depesche&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEmser_Depesche&edit-text=)


                                        wrong translation:  political chain reaction
 
The Ems telegram in the true sense is the internal government telegram (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegramm&usg=ALkJrhgxpVwuKWzO1TPrNK_XeIy0xRQJRA) of 13 July 1870 with the Heinrich Abeken (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Abeken&usg=ALkJrhiz-cwdKVrSdAgBw8r5VJNpBoEzxw) the Prussian Prime Minister (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preu%25C3%259Fisches_Staatsministerium&usg=ALkJrhjONm-TQSED3abahTQFqaEQRN3e-A#1848_bis_1920) Otto von Bismarck (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck&usg=ALkJrhhdkOF9Q8Ar_BEoHeKDEUfk2l2tQw) in Berlin (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin&usg=ALkJrhhdnRymOWTbJHz49HTSCQxgA8jyUg#Preu.C3.9Fisches_K.C3.B6nigreich)'s going on in the spa town of Bad Ems (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bad_Ems&usg=ALkJrhjtP4EOsND9z-193OBFC5p-ESXo6w#Neuzeit) taught.At the exhibition of the French (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zweite_Franz%25C3%25B6sische_Republik&usg=ALkJrhimAS4C8vwTZPjaYOi_IBn30L5xmQ)Ambassador Vincent Benedetti (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Benedetti&usg=ALkJrhiiQVW7OwoDGkJ7-VmL4lEOw3ZAqA) sweeping demands to the King William I of Prussia (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_I._(Deutsches_Reich)&usg=ALkJrhgZ6tKeoLWwUv4-fakRyfA-lgEolQ) , the waiving of Hohenzollern (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hohenzollern&usg=ALkJrhjdbKUHUuzO2aFwekI1srDuex8CGw) to the Spanish throne (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_Spaniens&usg=ALkJrhhi1H0RPnPD_yO5_SwIW1rV8lpH9Q#19._Jahrhundert:_Carlistenkriege.2C_Erste_Republik_und_Restauration) concerned.
The content of the telegram served Bismarck as a basis for a press release, which was released on the same day.The French translations appeared the day after the French national holiday.
The French public reacted as foreseen by Bismarck, with national outrage.As a result, the French Empire declared on 19 July 1870 the Kingdom of Prussia the war that theFranco-German War (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Franz%25C3%25B6sischer_Krieg&usg=ALkJrhh7NH57gthOfDf_Ghv1I_o3ldc1uw) was from 1870-71.


 The same happend before WWI,the Prussian Imperior Wilhelm escalate the "Stimmung" from the german "Volk" because his bad relationship with some relatives in the different european Kingdoms,
and the mistreat by the english Nobilitas(not only cause the Sarajewo/Crownprince by a servian) .
Then he did not want more a confrontation,but "the Volk" did it.


It was this Imperior his Kriegsministerium whose built as political "Leitfigur/Idol" W.Lenin and sended him to Moskowa to organize the "Bolschewik=red guards Revolution" !


Romanoffs,Prussia Imperium,Austrian Imperium : M&B presents: "Imperium entering and destroying" 


1870 ,1917, 1929 ,1945                RAUM-ZEIT- actio/reactio-Kontinuum
Versailles/Revanche Versailles/DANAT-Bank-Bankrott: WWI -Reparationszahlung/WW2

                        1929-1945 Deutsche Reich Periode based by the international
     ( 1 Syntax error included : 1000 years - (1954-1929) = not "Tausendjaehrige Reich)

dedicated by the  OBERNAZIONALIST with the Name Henry Ford,NSDAP-Guru
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=henry+ford+schriften&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=henry+ford+schriften&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
                                             for example :
https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDer_internationale_Jude&sandbox=1 (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDer_internationale_Jude&sandbox=1)

                         the the "NSDAP-Vision-Collection"
https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMein_Kampf (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMein_Kampf)

Kommunism(us)/Sozialism(us)/Democratic ( this are all the same theory including phrases)Party Philosophy ,view 1848
https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDas_Kapital (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDas_Kapital)
http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me04/me04_459.htm (http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me04/me04_459.htm)
http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me21/me21_352.htm (http://www.mlwerke.de/me/me21/me21_352.htm)

American-Canadian sozio-economist thinking about the North-America society and the industrial society in geral: Kenneth Galbraith
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=kenneth+Galbraith&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

              after WW2 Europe Peace-Finder Solution : Atomare Schirm/Umbrella : NATO/Warsawa Pakt
                                                   FRG/GDR risk of overkill,
        actio/reactio-kalkulationsprogramme: no Atomwar winner "Kalte Winter" global
                         uncommon long Peace Period (excl. Handels-Kriege and "brother"-wars)
 
                      Ronald Reagan: "Mr.Gorbatschow,take down the Wall "
        Barclay James Harvest -Concert beside the Berlin wall " I`(a)m a child of the Universe....." 


      Break-down at first the U.S.S.R and later the East/West-Wall,Iron Curtain.1988-1989


                                                    31.12.1999/
                     what will happen ?what had have shall to happen ?            D.C. ? em cima dum burro ?
                                             01.01.2000 Millenium


                                                   September 2016
                       Elefant or Donkey: who will win ? Philosophy behind ?
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                                               Longue or  Language
                                            Transduction/Translation

                                           Arithmetics and Parametrics                      -ik or /-x  or /-cs or /-tz


 abstract 2D Mathematics languages to 3D/4D Mathematik: then called Informatics languages


             for 3/4 D Micro( MEMS)/Macro-Re-/engineering 3D-Turn/Pod to 3D-Printer


https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInformatik (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInformatik)


CNC,Computer Numeric Controle     3D-Scanner/Copie         CAD,Computer aided design                                                       CIM/CAM Computer integrated/aided Manufactoring


                                                 putere,latin verbum : setzen,stellen,legen, to put to fill
                                                 cum,com-               : um,an,auf,ab (heutzutage)   on of for
                                             computere,Computer  : "Diener,Servant"


Gottfried Leibniz: https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInformatik (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInformatik)


Isaak Newton:
https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBinomische_Formeln&sandbox=1 (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FBinomische_Formeln&sandbox=1)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinante (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Determinante)
Die axiomatische Behandlung der Determinante als Funktion von (https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/59d2b4cb72e304526cf5b5887147729ea259da78 (https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/59d2b4cb72e304526cf5b5887147729ea259da78)) unabhängigen Variablen gibt als erster Karl Weierstraß (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Weierstra%C3%9F) in seinen Berliner Vorlesungen (spätestens ab dem Jahre 1864 und möglicherweise schon davor), an die dann Ferdinand Georg Frobenius (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Georg_Frobenius) in seinen Berliner Vorlesungen des Sommersemesters 1874 anknüpft und dabei unter anderem und vermutlich als erster den laplaceschen Entwicklungssatz (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplacescher_Entwicklungssatz) systematisch auf diese Axiomatik zurückführt
                                     "Monte Carlo-Prozess",Marquis de Laplace,Erfinder des Roulette-Tisches

Hendrik Lorentz :
https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentz-Transformation&sandbox=1 (https://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentz-Transformation&sandbox=1)                     E=mc²: Lorentz Transformationskraft
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              Search: Operator for the  Endless /Endlos loop=cycle=circuit=belt=Schleppe  operation


 Komet: Mass+ Schleppe : the mass great ? the "Schleppe/Schweif" lenght ? The Komet velocity ?
                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet)


 Prozessor= Hardware + Operator=Software integrated :f.e. Intel MMX
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_Media_Extension (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi_Media_Extension) "motherboard"
 + Energy Generator-Funktion: EPROM Generator
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FErasable_Programmable_Read-Only_Memory&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FErasable_Programmable_Read-Only_Memory&edit-text=)

internal process:
                                                  MODULATOR:
                  combination from Varistor and variable capacitor = transmitter

 Operator-Language and Operation-sin ? Dream-Time-sin based by https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMengenlehre&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMengenlehre&edit-text=)


with the highest philosophical stage = {  } Leere Menge Anachron
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronismus (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anachronismus) , against the (main)stream
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on September 28, 2016, 08:31:12 PM

Hey Carroll, can you tell me some things about your circuit? 


With the circuit as is and the capacitor discharged to 0v, how much potential available in the cap is harvested from the collapsing magnetic field after one pulse?


Now take the same circuit (starting at zero volts) and remove the shorting transistor so that the coil does not short, how much potential is gathered in the cap  after one pulse?


And one last one... Can you take the above two situations and repeat them, but this time adding a FWBR to the primary and funnel that into your output cap in addition to the secondary?  By putting this across the primary, it is going to fill the cap to a starting point of Vbat - 2 diode drops of voltage.    From here we can calculate energy by taking the difference in energy of the two potentials.


I would do this but am working on rewinding a motor core and don't have a lot of time...


Thanks


Dave

Hi Dave,

I haven't had time yet to recreate that test set-up but here is a video I did when I was testing it.  It doesn't answer most of your questions but at least it will give you some idea of what I saw when doing the test.  I am working on getting a way to do a single pulse for your tests.  I just need to build a small board then I will be ready.  I want to use mosfets with mosfet driver chips for more accurate pulses.

https://youtu.be/g5jdL3BSH28 (https://youtu.be/g5jdL3BSH28)

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 28, 2016, 09:46:48 PM
Free Energy Generator to all the people,independant from race/color/age/political philosophy
                                          Dante "comedia divina" and 
 https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=planet+der+affen&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=planet+der+affen&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)                           


       limitation/restriction : rational ?  licence ? adults only ?
       adult test(e):practizise workshop , theory question/answer catalog ?


          Free Energy : no really "free" energy ? Cause this energy is matter !?
                           Decelerated velocity light wave to particle !
                           Micro-world : Dewar/Dirac/Murray  sea (-world)


                                              Micro-bial matter


                              http://rexresearch.com/crosse/crosse.htm (http://rexresearch.com/crosse/crosse.htm)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom) 100 pm greath, Sub-atomar world ?
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMikroorganismus&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMikroorganismus&edit-text=)


                                                         Sporen,spore
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deutschlandfunk.de%2Fastronomie-neues-vom-weltraumstaub.732.de.html%3Fdram%3Aarticle_id%3D306477&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.deutschlandfunk.de%2Fastronomie-neues-vom-weltraumstaub.732.de.html%3Fdram%3Aarticle_id%3D306477&edit-text=)


How many/much an-/organical intelligenz can become find in crystals ? IQ-comparison ?
                                         growing an/-organical intelligence


                                 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleportation)
                          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_teleportation)
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=beaming&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=teleporting (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=beaming&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=teleporting)
                                                     more : "beam"
https://www.mpg.de/486860/pressemitteilung200404051 (https://www.mpg.de/486860/pressemitteilung200404051) special "beam" process
             in search of process synthezising and mass use military,medicine,agriculture,energy

                        body-free Plasma : reinste/pure Intelligenz(Logik-structure) (~ PC-Virus)
                  How act terrestrical the epedemic bazillus ? f.e. A.I.D.S./S.I.D.A. (H.I.V.)
                                         This behavour intelligent ? Altruistic ?
                                  How is the behaviour in space,I.S.S.-Lab-Test ?
                                  Ambiental condition: light/magnetism/heat/h2o/N/....


 illness/deficiencies treating with modulated neuronal "ex-negative virus" now positive combattant ?
                     H.I.V. like a C40-Fullerene treating,now as medicine-transporting capsule ? 
                    Anti-biotika is based by biotika !
Vaccination is planed/organized -short time illness by virus/bazillus- to reach body immunity,the body has to identify the next time such "a visitor"  !
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FImpfung&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FImpfung&edit-text=)


PC-Virus and bacteriology,minerals,cristals: microorganism
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931111&CC=DE&NR=4222678A1&KC=A1) 
                             examinated and granted !


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fdescription%3FCC%3DDE%26NR%3D9312668U1%26KC%3DU1%26FT%3DD%26ND%3D3%26date%3D19931223%26DB%3DEPODOC%26locale%3Den_EP&edit-text=&act=url (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fdescription%3FCC%3DDE%26NR%3D9312668U1%26KC%3DU1%26FT%3DD%26ND%3D3%26date%3D19931223%26DB%3DEPODOC%26locale%3Den_EP&edit-text=&act=url)


                                                     Magnetism
 https://de.scribd.com/document/132011710/Magnetism-Diamagnetism-Magnetic-Levitation
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 10:21:49 PM
Quick question.

What would happen if a conductor was *instantly* exposed to a change in flux?



At t = 0 there would be no change in flux relative to the conductor, only at t > 0 would we see a Change and thus the equations would apply depending on the configuration: E.M.F = -N dPhi/dt and or E.M.F = Bvl


Second quick question,

What is the prorogation rate of a change in flux within an existing field?

I thought it was C.


A change in flux, within another field, well, Magnetic Field Lines are always on enclosure, from Source to Point, so this question is completely deterministic. But generally, when Flux Lines move they will move with a Velocity that is function of the applied velocity and the Force of the Flux - No I cannot give you an answer.

The velocity of a quantum particle ??? Let’s say a Neutrino may be up to or beyond 11 times the speed of Light (C) (299 792 458 m / s)  - Some particles are entirely dependent on the medium and this velocity could be very much slower in some mediums, but Neutrinos are not subject to this limitation.

Yes, Neutrinos pass straight through you at many times the speed of Light! Isnt that amazing! All within our own Magnetic Field of the Earth.

Webby1 - Please feel free to cross check this, I am not always right, I try! I do not BS people, I offer references and links where I can, but it really is up to all here to do their home work! Trust no one and nothing untill you verify it!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 10:24:12 PM
You do not know me so please don't make assumptions about me.  It is fine that you already have your mind made up about all electrical phenomena but don't tell me to whom I should listen.



Merely repeating your own observations of your own experiences, no assumptions were made.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 28, 2016, 11:43:54 PM
Homework is important.

So an instantaneous change would have a very large inductive hit on the exposed inductor.

I should of rephrased the second question,, I meant what if the existing field made a change in flux density.  From what I did look at that propagation would be at C, well Einstein would say that that information could be communicated instantly over any preexisting distance but other than that it seems to be about C.

What I am getting at is the time rate of change,, instantaneous is a pretty large rate of change.  Then to consider the propagation of that change from source to whatever, would be at C,, I think,, providing it is within an existing covered distance.



Hey Webby1 - I see what you mean.

The Time Domain is a critical factor in our observations, but why? The propagation of an object takes time? Well yes, but the same basic principles that govern us when we travel in a Car from Point A to Point B apply...

Velocity = Time * Distance

Time is dependant on a resistance to Velocity, so we see the same limitations all throught Physical Science. See: Simple example of solving for time given distance and rate. Created by Sal Khan. (https://www.khanacademy.org/science/physics/one-dimensional-motion/displacement-velocity-time/v/solving-for-time) - This Bloke is awesome!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 29, 2016, 12:44:29 AM
Homework is important.

So an instantaneous change would have a very large inductive hit on the exposed inductor.

I should of rephrased the second question,, I meant what if the existing field made a change in flux density.  From what I did look at that propagation would be at C, well Einstein would say that that information could be communicated instantly over any preexisting distance but other than that it seems to be about C.

What I am getting at is the time rate of change,, instantaneous is a pretty large rate of change.  Then to consider the propagation of that change from source to whatever, would be at C,, I think,, providing it is within an existing covered distance.




I think this warrants a better answer: Lets take an example...

Example: A Circular Coil of 30 Turns (N), with a Radius of 3.0 cm, see's a Magnetic Field (B) of 500 Gauss, at 90 Degrees with a Time Rate of Change (dt) of 3 Seconds.


   dPhi/dt = BMax - BMin/dt =  (0.42411500823462206 - 0.0008482300164692441) / 3 = 0.14108892607271761


If my math is right, then we will get: 0.14108892607271761 of a Volt induced in our Coil. but, change 3 seconds to 0.003 of a second, and we get: 141.0889260727176053 Volts Induced.

Please correct me if I got the Math wrong.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 29, 2016, 12:52:07 AM
We are talking about a field,, this is an interesting area as to whether there is an "object" that is bound by mechanics or not.

If the field rate of change propagates at C for an instantaneous change in flux density then an inductor would see a rate of change of C.

That "feels" like a small change in flux density over a smallish inductance would still provide a large output.  This also conforms to all accepted formulas,, except for the instantaneous change of course which no formula covers.

I have bookmarked a few places so I can learn how to make a few electronic control circuits so I can play more precisely with what I am seeing and playing with.  I am a slow learner and have scrap parts lying around to make things out of,, so that will take a while :)

Right now I can somewhat control the rate of change in a sine wave as far as current goes,, how much it is passing, but I would like to be able to clamp that down a lot more and maybe even see if it will go so far as affecting the DC throughput as well.



Hey Webby1 - Ah I see what you mean: Electromagnetic Waves (Radio Communications)

Yes, these are at C, the speed of light. However, the simple old Coax Cable is a medium where C is slowed somewhat, C can be only 65% of the speed of Light or there abouts. This is different than Flux Lines as such, Near Field and Far Field stuff now...

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 29, 2016, 01:19:08 AM



Last kick at the can for the Ward force generator.

I made a new rotor as there was an indication from some that my cast iron shoes were a source of eddy currents and hence holding back the generator. The no load drag as measured on the RV was 62 and 67 watts previously.

A bit like comparing apples and oranges as the new rotor version weighs in with much stronger magnets. But it's drag on the RV comes in at 78 watts. So I am of the opinion that the cast iron was no problem. This design actually narrows up the "shoe" area and initial cogging is greatly increased.

However, a pleasant surprise in that the output nearly smoked my poor load resister! 

!080 RPM, 14.5 watts in for 11 watts out

2850 RPM, 14 watts in for 36.5 watts out!!!

And even better at higher RPM's,

The bottom line --- the total input was 174 watts for 36 watts out. (scooter motor)

So end of experiment.

Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 29, 2016, 01:25:20 AM


Last kick at the can for the Ward force generator.

I made a new rotor as there was an indication from some that my cast iron shoes were a source of eddy currents and hence holding back the generator. The no load drag as measured on the RV was 62 and 67 watts previously.

A bit like comparing apples and oranges as the new rotor version weighs in with much stronger magnets. But it's drag on the RV comes in at 78 watts. So I am of the opinion that the cast iron was no problem. This design actually narrows up the "shoe" area and initial cogging is greatly increased.

However, a pleasant surprise in that the output nearly smoked my poor load resister! 

!080 RPM, 14.5 watts in for 11 watts out

2850 RPM, 14 watts in for 36.5 watts out!!!

And even better at higher RPM's,

The bottom line --- the total input was 174 watts for 36 watts out. (scooter motor)

So end of experiment.

Ron




Hi Ron, Awesome! Your machining skills are very admirable! I truly view workmanship of this quality with admiration!

Would you view this experiment as more than useful?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on September 29, 2016, 01:43:28 AM



Hi Ron, Awesome! Your machining skills are very admirable! I truly view workmanship of this quality with admiration!

Would you view this experiment as more than useful?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


My wife always says, "what does it do?" and I say, "nothing, it was a learning experience!"


It answered my questions --- mission accomplished!


Thanks, to all of you


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Jeg on September 29, 2016, 07:52:50 AM

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   


This was a misconception. Sorry guys. We examine a system which gains energy during discharge. So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!!

Having this in mind check again the terms of the equation and decide by yourselves what needs for this to be accomplished.

"Conventionality doesn't lay at present equations which describe physical laws. It only lays in our interaction as observers to the said equations which describe these laws..."

Jeg

 

 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 09:10:33 AM
Good morning,Ladies and Sires,somewhere !


Jeg,"We examine a system which gains energy during discharge" or instead "gains": amplify ?!
                                 "Gains" means structurely something has to "loose" !
                                           geben/giving or nehmen/taking

 How is the "dis/charge process: charge(Coloumb) entering,physical movement, leaving" imaginable -greater dimension- to define/explain ?
                                      quantum mechanics by "for us consumer real world" mechanical/kinetical example

for this thesis: "So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!! " DEMONSTRATION

Moving Energy source:Electricity takes Extra-Energy from the potential Energy source ? The engine material ? Measuring weight and temperature and ...... ??? (more Parameter ?) ! The ambient ? The nearer outside or far outside ? Communication,wi.fi.
 
                   For Tesla the main use idea(l)  has been for global communication,like Ferrari and Marconi.
                                                     Seismic waves/vibrations/oszillations

                 1 machine/engine: many different materials(Gram/cm³),rough/fine surfaces, so many different re-/action "own-/Eigen"frequencies
                                                   starting/Anlauf-Process : warm-? cold-?

                                                      how is "warm to cold and vice-versa physically defind ?)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchukey-Motor&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchukey-Motor&edit-text=)
                                                            transformer       ( German:  transform er ! Imperativ  !  command: change it !)
   
                        "The 5.th element"movie: the Taxi-drive system :"Gleiter/Lifter" on/in a magnetic path/channel
                                               Maglev moving principle ? Leve~Light/light  Levitation (G)Lighter/Lifter

                   metal(l)ic cable and or glas(s)-fiber cable : good for :use possibilities ? bad for ? silicon/silicium cable ? graphene cable ?
 
                   What is the Energy source from a solely permanent magnet ? It is ,relatively, a perpetuum mobile device !
                                                                        If not fixed/coupled  !
                                                               perpetuum magnet force decay ! why :" Currie "-temperature/density limit ? Barkhausen

                                         per manere~ by staying
                                         per petere ~ repeating,feedbacking




                           light velocity : in air /in vacuuo/vacuum                     e-vacuation ? means ? real life and physics


                           gap : distance ? bridge to overcome ! which time velocity ?   
 
      How do we drive on real life streets and how "in this quantummechanics street/channel" our engine by engineering~driving"
                                          motor 5-steps or auto-matic  transmissior/gear differential brake kupplung gaspedal
                                          or hybrid
                                          or e-motive

                                          but each system needs a starter and this his "starting energy source" and we the motiv(e)/ation of a target


 (the engine: does it not need a target and motivation ,too :    http://comps.canstockphoto.de/can-stock-photo_csp27842774.jpg (http://comps.canstockphoto.de/can-stock-photo_csp27842774.jpg)   ? ;) )
                                          Do you remember: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Christine.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Christine.jpg)
                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwO2smdoNc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwO2smdoNc)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2FDeutsch%2Fodem-des-lebens.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2FDeutsch%2Fodem-des-lebens.html&edit-text=)


                                       breath of life ,German : Od,Odem       Psy/PSI-chology: Motive/Motivation
                                         Thomas de Aquino: "gerechte Ertrag/google english: equitable income


                                       programer stupidity ,no philosophy behind: Belohnung/reward/Praemie/Gain "to be on earth a good guy"
                                       How many virgins,Vollpension~all inclusive- por gratia/gratis ? no=in paraiso=Eden=Heaven=Garden=Yard ?

( in,english=no ,portuguese; Portugal is a "special case": donated by King D.Diniz "to Heaven", and the catholic church works "for ever" )

                                                                             "Hey WARD,my reward !"
          Ward ??? : "Bloedmann ! Laß -mich- in Frieden . :-\ Du hast auf dem Garten"Erde" deine Chance gehabt !" 8)
          Reward-commander:  :o  " Und ich war immer imper-a-c-tive  :'( :-X :P (~Following THE COMMANDS 1:1 = Egalite/UNITY)

                                      interpretation:   https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=life+is+for+living+barclay+james+harvest+lyrics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=life+is+for+living+barclay+james+harvest+lyrics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 29, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   

Thanks

This was a misconception. Sorry guys. We examine a system which gains energy during discharge. So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!!

Having this in mind check again the terms of the equation and decide by yourselves what needs for this to be accomplished.

"Conventionality doesn't lay at present equations which describe physical laws. It only lays in our interaction as observers to the said equations which describe these laws..."

Jeg



Jeg - Youre spot on in my opinion. Keeping the Current as high as possible is key, so the Resistance must not change, but something else can change! A Magnetic Field in proximity can change the Inductance!

Experiment:
Take a Coil, Air Core and Cored, measure the Inductance, place a large Magnet on the top, now measure the inductance. See below images.

Coil Shorting can do this also, as Cifta has shown. Finding an economical way to do this is key to a good result.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
We humans are also "magnetic" antennas: when I go to my music-box(the real antenna broken and extracted),I have to tune the right UKW frequency -with calculating my presense by the music wave device and without my presence !


                                                                    antenna feedback cycle


A radio in the kitchen 
and a refrigerator in the kitchen
music on
refrigerator(enclosed chamber,volume,temperature) door open/closed : difference ? why ? interference cold/hot ambiental waves/particles


em devices test : ambiental (room temperature) and in refrigerator (closed refrigerator door != evacuated ) ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 01:54:00 PM
Communications waves,, are they the same??? not really sure, not sure if that matter.  I don't think we need to get into split pairs,, :)

So the numbers you used,, they show that I can spend 1A for 3 seconds to make little or 1A for .003 seconds to make a lot, so is it in how much I spend?

I also think that the inductive action by itself from the inductor would modify the flux in the proximity of the coil as the changing wave happened,, I see it blowing a small hole within the field and then getting filled up with the field,, not sure on that but that is what I am thinking at this time.

Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,

Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.

Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.


We are all under observation 8)  ,you also webby1 (www1 ? ::) )
you pro-voke~voz~voice ,and expect re-question=answer ?           ~ serpens,slang,Schlange,Zunge religion: angel(s)/engel(n)                                                                                                                                                                         Dialektik
 
                                                                                                             Dialektische Materialismus
                                                                                                             1000 words= 1 Image/Ikon/thing/Ding

www delivers you an answer choice:
 https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=kanarev+physics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=kanarev+physics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) called duty cycle


taking: http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/ (http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/)
            http://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf (http://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf)


           page 2 : Let us put a question: has power pulse (Fig. 3) 15 kW actually, and is average value of pulse power equal to 144 W?

                   page 3           Is the calculation carried out correctly? [1]

Later on, we’ll prove experimentally that power pulse (Fig. 3) has not 15000 W and 144.80 W, but only 1.40 W.




                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           page 6
Thus, the power pulse shown in Fig. 3 has not 15 kW and not 144.8 W, but only P = UC ⋅ IC = 2.88⋅ 0.48 = 1.40W .
Maxwell: displacement current/german: Blindstrom   Wirkleistung     Scheinleistung    Blindleistung          W VA VAr
                                                                                  active power     apparent power   reactive power


                                                                                                       Schein: brill-bright,Note(banking), physics : seem/appear       
                                                                                                       Blind : 8)  ...
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on September 29, 2016, 02:38:44 PM

Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,

Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.

Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.

Dear webby1.

It has seemed to me that man, as a species has always bludgeoned things into submission! Ah that didn't work, find me a bigger hammer.

Nature on the other hand works in harmony. Time to find a more natural approach.

I'm enjoying the thread, nice to read the thoughts of others, keep up the great work guys.

Cheers Grum.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 04:50:34 PM
Oh,really,the autotransformer felt and broke in 2 parts ?
What a mis ::)
Now it is an auto and a transformer ?
Okay,I take the Auto
                                 und brumm,brummm
                                                                   OCWL, unapproved un-authority


p.s.: Odem/Ode/Od versus Odel/Oedem ? difference ?
         Auto,shortly in Germany,german speaking hemisphere for Automobil(e) ,english : car 
         -auto- ~ per se ~ "Eigen" f.e. -spin
         Author Autor Odor Odo(o)r                     oh,du Tor  Tooooooor~ Gooooooooooool(o) !Goal !
                                                      Eigen-Tor
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 05:06:42 PM
webby1, DC-motor : cw or ccw ?    and connection to battery : - + ?


DRUM,,Dual RotorUseless Motor. But the experience has not been useless !?

                       step by step up and step by step down


                       Refurbishing ?


Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 05:19:31 PM
webby1,me is allowed to correct my posts ! Or to give supplements ! Nothing special !
Sometimes I am angry,but this given administrative freedom(e) gives me ever the chance to correct "negative written re-/action" !


With all my regard
                            OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 05:21:37 PM
For which part?
You have to find out : these motor and these battery resonant point !
each industrial product has his own "fingerprint"




"I am not much into word games"
To read papers ,mails,to listen to people is ever in our life a word game as my view point.


Tesla publications,by his own words-his t(h)inkung or 100%-0%(contra-/productive)translations ?!
It has been at first Tesla bis his own,then,later, Tesla Laboratory group work power.
As same by Edison.

Are you married ? Reading of your wife her eyes,perfect marriage and "gentile"childs ?
Never "rebelde",ever "jeah,jeah"-sayer ? My man ,oh so wonderful(l) !? Dad is the best ?


wonder: she t(h)inks left,you act right. She say "right",you do left ! It happens never/seldom/often ?
To your child(s): Qui(e)t ! He/she looks to you, ::) ,and repeats the noise ! ;D  (Okay,baby!)


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: http://www.infoempresas.com.pt/Empresa_CAMPOS-CARDOSO-PORTO.html (http://www.infoempresas.com.pt/Empresa_CAMPOS-CARDOSO-PORTO.html)
         this has been a transformer production office,later caused by the chines concurrence and price fall,the repairing from electronic devices became their main work.Up to +/- 20 employers.
One from the owner,approved Engineer has worked for Nordmende(TV-Production in Porto,PT),
his nephew Jorge Ferreira showed me by my first office visits an "couple" from two autotransformer
and with the connection a 1in:3out result,2004/2005,negative is it to state that this output needs a fine-tuning cause it is unmodulated,pure energy with all bandgap !


p.s.II: I am since +/- 2005 member ,enough time to give me allowance to correct typo or "mental  expressed overdriving" ! Netikette,here and in real life !
 ( "Eigen"-Moderator ;) with to much words and less "Eigen"-Bild of FE-protoype",Perfektionist  :P  )


                                     Nettikette( Nett~ Nice + Etikette)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEtiquette_in_technology&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEtiquette_in_technology&edit-text=)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 29, 2016, 07:18:43 PM
".... since I shared that, in my mind, I have done my job, I met the promise I made to myself to share at least some of the things I have observed. ..."

                 You has not been/are not alone in this case

  " share ( ::) -not unlimited- ::)  )some( better in this case: any)  of the things I have observed"


I thank you and will,I promise it, if time let me do it, show for your "Franken"-motor concept !


Probably you,at first for yourself,note all the points of trial success and error and compare the several temptations results ! Non-/expected ?

Later ,if you want,you can up-load this know-ledge for- in this idea- interested members of this forum !


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.:    What is a perfect marriage?
            rhetorical question or to clerical mongues/bro and "sisters/Schwester"
                                                              male: f(r)ater /soror or irma(ndade: society)
            one where both people are both one and individuals at the same time. ::) 

            actually your words in japanese young people their minds:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpanorama%2FJapanerinnen-brauchen-keinen-Ehemann-article18721476.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpanorama%2FJapanerinnen-brauchen-keinen-Ehemann-article18721476.html&edit-text=)



                                       Logos: Mengenlehre Logics
                        mental steps: when ... then..... if.....

                       Mengenlehre : Arithmetik + Language complain
                                             
                                                         only language
                        Analytical tools from Texturation/Network and for Texturation/Network
                        language constitution also called Grammatik,grammar
                                                         Latin/German

Subjekt(Nomen),Praedikat/Verb,Adjektiv,Objekt,Pronomen,Adverbiale(Zeit,Ort,Art und Weise,Demonstrativ,Reflexiv,.....)
 ( more: Grammar book and for translation Dictionary,ENG/ENG and ENG/LAT and ENG/GER)
                     http://www.ef.com/english-resources/english-grammar/ (http://www.ef.com/english-resources/english-grammar/)

(who is interested about radix/orthodoxy/fundamentals can observe the german and latin language grammars)

                                          The condition I noticed is
 one that happens anytime you are using a DC motor against a varying load,,
 the wet slipping belt, the oscillating load of my pump arm,,
 the acceleration of the motor due to the arm moving the other way with the stretch of the belt,,
 these are what I assume created the readings I was getting
 and so I thought that I would try and duplicate that situation
but in a different fashion,, to try and help isolate what the actual cause was.


belt length ? shorten the length ?
"wet": belt material ,metal,plastics or leather ? dry ? expansion flexibility ? demand ? deemed?
beltgap/bandgap beltweith/bandweith

"you" ? I converse with people in the internet in 3.Person singular,pluralis maj.  manner
and never 2.persona singularis  ( as same in real life,only family member are intimus)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on September 30, 2016, 05:31:58 AM



This is really IMPORTANT! Please share with everyone you know:

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   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on September 30, 2016, 07:14:31 AM
Mercury opens the channel between left and right side brain halves,it accelerates the neuronal movement ,Neurotransmitter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurotransmitter) !

Mercury is used for and by gold exploration.
The overfilled rivers in gold search regions ? Consequences ? Flora and Fauna(included humans)


http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/04/compact-fluorescent-fusion/ (http://atom-ecology.russgeorge.net/2014/12/04/compact-fluorescent-fusion/)
toxine or medicine : under- right- over- dose/dosis     Dose/Dosis depending Factors ! Factors depending dose/dosis !


Mercury makes/made part of the amalgam/teeth or dent(-ist) plombes material !
german language Amalgamfuellung/amalgamfilling https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=quecksilber&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=amalgam (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=quecksilber&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=amalgam)
fill in  ;)  in your wished translation language: https://translate.google.com/?hl=de (https://translate.google.com/?hl=de)

Human fast evolution in the  last 100 years ?


In german Mercury is called : Quecksilber,Queck~ keck sein,quirlig (Psy-chologic Phenomen: hyper-aktiv)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FQuecksilber&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FQuecksilber&edit-text=)


  keck    by google translated to english:  to be bold      german Witzbold "wag"
 quirlig                  idem                         :   lively


"wag"1.kind : ".....And do not lead into temptation..." "wag"2.kind to(a)risc    "wag"3.kind balance/waage/the wa(a)ging(boxer weight class)                          it depends ever from the context: local,time,object (and education: good/bad intention by good/bad vibrations)


                   english "wag" to google german translation :
                                                wedeln,also signalize https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFlaggenalphabet&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FFlaggenalphabet&edit-text=)


 (this is f.e. what the dog makes with his tail  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4a/89/98/4a89989560cd78c4e21b14be2af222e5.jpg (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/4a/89/98/4a89989560cd78c4e21b14be2af222e5.jpg)     )
           
     wedeln (other kind): "cultivated woman" and some "man"(f.e. Karl Lagerfeld) with this here :      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F)ächer 
                                                      https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Faecher.jpg/220px-Faecher.jpg (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/ae/Faecher.jpg/220px-Faecher.jpg)

 telegramming 8)  handmade sending question and answer : Y-wedel o-wedel u-wedel  :-*  w-wedel i-wedel t-wedel h-wedel m-wedel e-wedel ? re-quest/answer : :-[  in "Wedel/Faecher"-Alphabet
(old telegraphy,before Mr.Henry developed the Henry-Machine for mission sending and Mr.Morse defined the Henry-Telegraph signals translating "alphabeta-gamma-delta-......= Morse-Alphabet )
Later Graham led ring the Bell

                  I mean the "google translator" programming workers need an Oxford/Cambridge School/College English/English Dictionary                             by-/beside:  and using it !


Our world is full from signs and signals : https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=runenalphabet&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=runenalphabet&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8) written,spoken or shown by our body and the body/bodies of other , "offene Buecher,glaesern"


Humans:  https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=koeerpersprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=koeerpersprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
https://www.google.pt/search?q=k (https://www.google.pt/search?q=k)örpersprache&client=opera&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjV6KSpuLbPAhUCwBQKHUA3CC0QsAQILg&biw=1366&bih=668

Fauna : ? Kommunikation-level ,Art and Kind in water,on land,in air  Microbes to Insects to ......
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=tiersprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=tiersprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)

Frontier between Flora and Fauna definiton ? By whom fixed ? Good/bad intention ?! Ranking ?! IQ !? IQ=1= 1 stone
                                                                                                                                      to high IQ= "steinreich" ,hoping not "Zahnstein"                   
"wag" your IQ,Intelligence-Quotient: https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=intelligenzquotient&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=intelligenzquotient&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.krone.at%2Fnachrichten%2Fwie-hoch-ist-dein-intelligenz-quotient-teste-deinen-iq-story-6657&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.krone.at%2Fnachrichten%2Fwie-hoch-ist-dein-intelligenz-quotient-teste-deinen-iq-story-6657&edit-text=)

Flora : https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=pflanzensprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=pflanzensprache&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)


                                                                            Monolog to Dialog


                                                                            End from this post(e)


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlphabet&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlphabet&edit-text=)                                                    Alphabet


Can we diffract God ?    Yes,we can ,clearly !     casus-dependant !     Nominativ,Genitiv,Akkusativ,Dativ,Ablativ,Vokativ
Can we diffract Satan ? Yes,we can ,clearly !     casus-dependant !     Nominativ,Genitiv,Akkusativ,Ablativ,Vokativ


Attention: we can diffract lingual - lux to lumen - but as physics idiom there is a defined difference lx is not lm
physics: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLux_%28Einheit%29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLux_%28Einheit%29&edit-text=)


lingual:

                                                                                  the light (lyceum ~ today cinema,Kino,Lichtspielhaus)

lux, lucis f.LichtSingular

1. Fall (Nominativ)lux
2. Fall (Genetiv)
lucis
3. Fall (Dativ)
luci
4. Fall (Akkusativ)
lucem
5. Fall (Vokativ)
lux
6. Fall (Ablativ)
luce


Plural

1. Fall (Nominativ)
luces
2.Fall (Genetiv)
lucum
3. Fall (Dativ)
lucibus
4. Fall (Akkusativ)
luces
5. Fall (Vokativ)
luces
6. Fall (Ablativ)
lucibus

                                                                 rom.-catholic church: DEUS (english God,german Gott)
                                                                   
deus, dei m.GottSingular

1. Fall (Nominativ)
deus
2. Fall (Genetiv)
dei
3. Fall (Dativ)
deo[/size]
4. Fall (Akkusativ)
deum
5. Fall (Vokativ)
deus
6. Fall (Ablativ)
deo

Plural

1. Fall (Nominativ)
dei
2. Fall (Genetiv)
deorum
3. Fall (Dativ)
deis
4. Fall (Akkusativ)
deos
5. Fall (Vokativ)
dei
6. Fall (Ablativ)
deis

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sprachenstudio.net%2Fl%2Flatein%2Fdekl%2Fdekl02.php%3Fs%3Ddeus%26epi%3D99&edit-text=


                                      Satan ? Diabolo !
Synonyme für Diabolo (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Diabolo.html)
Antichrist (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Antichrist.html), Dämon (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/D%C3%A4mon.html), Diabolo (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Diabolo.html), Luzifer (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Luzifer.html), Mephistopheles (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Mephistopheles.html), Satan (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Satan.html), Teufel (http://www.dict.cc/deutsch/Teufel.html)

http://www.frag-caesar.de/lateinwoerterbuch/diabolo-uebersetzung.html (http://www.frag-caesar.de/lateinwoerterbuch/diabolo-uebersetzung.html) Deklination


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frag-caesar.de%2Flateinwoerterbuch%2Fdiabolo-uebersetzung.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.frag-caesar.de%2Flateinwoerterbuch%2Fdiabolo-uebersetzung.html&edit-text=)

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on September 30, 2016, 06:15:49 PM
Hi all, thanks for sharing erfinder, this reminds me of a movie we just watched, since halloween is approaching, called beetlejuice.
In that movie, beetlejuice plays a game of guess my name by leading the name guesser and giving visual hints or ideas.
Is there some other reason besides wanting people to think for themselves, that you are playing these guessing games.
Is there a hidden threat that you are concerned about, if so, then i understand, it's not easy to have the courage to be completely forthright, when one has potential repercussions for sharing ones knowledge.
That being said, i have found value in many of the things you share and this latest offering, is food for thought.
peace love light
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 01, 2016, 02:50:57 AM
Is it better to have a rotational or linear "Lenz free" generator ?
Linear would mean that there is less praezision needed,from mechanical view point for manufactoring.
(or manufacturing from manu=hand facere=making ~ hands-kraft/-craft )

                          Industrial "C"-Factor: Costs !

http://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/ (http://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/)
The final thing to mention is the dreaded ‘C’ word: COST! For some time now planar transformers have been disregarded as being too expensive. Contrary to popular opinion, the costs have significantly reduced in recent years through cheaper material costs, as the market grows, and improved manufacturing techniques. It is common for a 5kW planar transformer to cost in the region of $23 nowadays, and in volumes of 100k+ prices below $10 per piece are easily achievable. Moreover, in the 2kW-30kW power range, the use of pre-formed copper ‘lead-frames’ in single and multi-turn forms can achieve virtually any desired turns ratio at low cost, allowing rapid design iteration and ultimately improved time to market.


But how important is this translatorical rotor/stator movement ?
And how to translate to "neuronal XYZ-coordinating(in)formation" ?
Kinetical movement translating to virtual movement,
a "real machine in action"-scanner,which translates this into digital XYZ-system-coordinates.

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                 SCAN-2-C.N.C.      C.N.C.-2-C.A.D.      C.A.D.-2-C.A.M.                    C.A.D.-2-C.I.M.[/size]
                the Laplace Operator: "neuronal-geometry2algebra"transformer = Scanner,Digitizer
                                 
                                                 VIRTUALIZER (virtual reality)
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At first there will have to become errect/constructed  a real motor-generator prototype with all the wished and promised functions [Overunity=work process gain by thermodynamic conversion and no generation,generation would mean the maschine would be self-destroying "her"-self(a machina,sexus defined as female)]


Linear transformer would then be in the kind of a "MEG" as delivered as published and descripted concept by the french inventors -de Beaupre- and Lucien Galey,the german Ex-Siemens "head-engineer Dr. Wolfgang Volkrodt and the japanese inventor(probably Professor) Tanaka Saburo.

If we humans have not the possibility to discover the work principle so we have to give the machine the possibility to reflect the own working principle by opto-electric and opto-acoustical measuring- and later operating- instruments,including laser and mirror.


From practizising to theory,this is quantum mechanics sphere,to small for our human body detector "Sinnes-/sin" organs,cause this "unbelievable" "untouchable"=no feelings/no(n) sense  !
     
                                       3/4-XYZ-Dimensional- Real-Time/Echtzeit-Digitizer
                                       for the REPRAP-Future

Tanaka Saburo transformer circuit
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=tanaka+saburo&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=tanaka+saburo&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


List Nr. 10,11,12,13
 here from this Nr.10
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20050922&CC=JP&NR=2005261097A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=9&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20050922&CC=JP&NR=2005261097A&KC=A)




this for the later "ZEIT", white/dark matter, transforming machine,giving GEIST/FORMAT and/or taking.
                                                Schoepfung: giving              Zerstoerung :taking


                                                magnetic "Wirbelwind" Tornado-generator  as white/black whole
                                                          for the journey through "das EIGEN(TLICH)E ICH"
                               die ver-/abge-passten Chancen/Risiken,wie es haette sein koennen,wenn nicht .....
                                                                      ach hette ich......, ach waere ich......
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 02, 2016, 12:57:56 AM
I have been playing with 2 coil sets that are wound on the same core,, so that is 4 coils on the core.

I have them connected so that I have 2 autotransformers with the turn count around 1:3.

I have my wall wart running through some diodes so that I can energize one of the 1 count windings and then I take out from the total winding so that would be 4,, these are just guesses since I am using a premade transformer.

Then I have the other winding set energized from the other diodes,, dito the setup.
snip
I am guessing there is a simple answer,, something like the feedback from the windings shifting the zero point or some such


Hi Webby, a bit hard to follow, can you do a sketch please?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 02, 2016, 03:37:23 PM
"alter-auto" : alter,Latin:means high/deep= amplitude           amplitude modulation  AM
                                                                                                frequency      "              FM


linear mono-phase alternator                                                   Amplifier,Frequency Equalizer:Resonator
linear poly-phase alternator (2,3,4,...)


 https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2016070292 (https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2016070292)


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.: Ether,Aether = RF-spectrum ,german: Funkenaether/Funkenstrecke Funke=Signal/Pulse             "Radio Tele-Funken"
                                                                    Radio-Station to TV-Station
                                                                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8r-tXRLazs
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 02, 2016, 05:48:10 PM
I have tried reversing D10 and D11 which then would place the connection from the input V2 across the load out of U2 and U3,, that may not make any sense to try it,, but I try these things anyway because you do not know until you try it.

I am using a cored transformer and this may be problematic on its own,, maybe not, but that then tells me I need to try all of this stuff without the core.

That is just how I go about things,, I don't care so much as to how much my meters show,, but rather what is the change in what they show for what changes I make.

If I am using only one side of the transformer, D11 is open,, then what would you expect? if I have a 50 ohm dropping resistor between V2 and D2 what should it show?  If I have a meter between the V2 side of D2 and D10 what should it show?

The load on U2 is a 10,000uf cap and a 1462 ohm resistor just in case you wanted to know,,

Right now I have replaced the dropping resistor with another transformer  (10:1) in step up just because I can,, and I am wondering then if the current the dropping resistor is showing that should be there is there,, I should be able to take an output from the secondary of that transformer,, and then what should my meters show?? my meters say there is 1.45V AC across the transformer and the secondary shows 26.5V DC rectified and using a 1642 ohm resistor,, I fed it into the same resistor and cap that U2 is connected to.

Now I ask why is the dropping resistor showing 4.25 but the transformer is showing 1.45,, and that is where I am right now,,

These are running at 60Hz US power grid :)


Thanks, You are calling the wall wart T1?


T2 and T3 are on the same core? This is off the shelf? hand made? Coils are (ball park) size, ohms?


The 50 ohm resister floats and is not shown?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 02, 2016, 06:01:26 PM
Mexican Radio,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw)

I remember seeing these for there first broadcast,, times have changed.


A kind of "Punk wave"(german "normals" decision: Punk is krank/ill ! 8) )
Syntheziser and Sintonizer of our feeling/-s by listen the amusement(passive) ,and by artists to get listen (active) the muse ,by over-and under-tone tuning (a.The Mission  b. The Mission formerly ...) !
                       Life - actio/reactio : feedback cycle

"I am not amused ! An(n)us horribilis ! "? Sitzt wohl zulange auf dem Thron ?!
                                                Radio-gugu-radio-gaga


                   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPtRmwyKFs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPtRmwyKFs)
                   
        Punk is also a kind of : okay,extremly !, applied religion ,the trial/the temptation of "wake up !"


             with and without B.E.F. ,Heaven17               


  :o   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM)
               Not burning down,refurbishing and reengineering the "Haus Erde" .


           


        "Lenz free" generator = resistance free generator                       Term/-inus : Attractor
                                                                                                                                attracting
                                                                                                                                anziehen
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=attractor&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=attractor&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
to
http://www.chaos-math.org/en/chaos-vii-strange-attractors
             virtual to real
                                                                                                                              Praemisse:
                                                                                                 physics       !?   Pole ziehen sich an,
                                                                                                 physics       !?   Pole weisen sich ab
                                                                                                 real life             but: Paradox inside
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 02, 2016, 07:26:14 PM
I am running through several setups,, but these kind of cover the basic starting place.

Each one is just a set of connections that I am pondering,, I have many that I wish to try ,, I am mainly looking for trends and tendencies,, and then when I find something like this mysterious condition that, while there is a large load against it, there is an increase in the voltage from the wall wart.


Have you tried magnetic energy recovery with this yet?  It seems like you are using it with a steady state AC supply.  What if you pulsed one coil and the rectified the inductive collapse across all of the coils into a cap?  This is what I thought Erfinder was hinting at.  I could be wrong..


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 02, 2016, 08:23:32 PM

I'm not playing a guessing game.  Folk must think for themselves, I am not here to provide blueprints of things I have done, am doing...Nor am I intersted in reviewing blueprints provided by others.  I am not asking anyone for anything, and don't recommend that folks ask each other for anything.  The answers we seek as individuals are found in properly formulated questions, questions which are projected within to the innermost reaches of the individual, it's here where we answer our own questions.  I am here to exchange with people who rely on themselves, individuals who are travelling that road which leads within, folk who can and do stand strong in a deluge of spit, name calling, sticks, and stones.   

What have I found.....to put it plain....answers to my questions period.

Regards


What an alien concept. Although the wheel has been invented we are not to tell anyone. Each person must see the need, follow through and invent the wheel individually. No one is allowed to help another in this quest, it is forbidden. What a ghastly world that would be. (is)

"Regards", esteem, affection, or respect

Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on October 02, 2016, 10:33:16 PM

What an alien concept. Although the wheel has been invented we are not to tell anyone. Each person must see the need, follow through and invent the wheel individually. No one is allowed to help another in this quest, it is forbidden. What a ghastly world that would be. (is)

"Regards", esteem, affection, or respect

Ron

Ron, this is not a mock question and I really hope you'd be capable of holding longer than one's average attention span in order to answer it.

As earthlings, do we really need wheels? (Is this a necessity or a commodity?)

If one could replace wheels from daily life with other "things" (regardless the cost - a purely human concept), where is the difficulty on replacing Lenz conjuncture with another one?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 02, 2016, 11:10:06 PM
Ron, this is not a mock question and I really hope you'd be capable of holding longer than one's average attention span in order to answer it.

As earthlings, do we really need wheels? (Is this a necessity or a commodity?)

If one could replace wheels from daily life with other "things" (regardless the cost - a purely human concept), where is the difficulty on replacing Lenz conjuncture with another one?


Barbosi,


Wheels was just an analogy, the implication being technology. Technology today owes its very existence to the multitude of researchers that have gone before us, who have done the bench work, written up their work and published it. It has been and still is a co-operative effort where each person builds on the work of others and hopefully adds to the total sum. Erfinder should not be immune to this grand scheme. More than likely a great portion of his extensive knowledge base can be attributed to the dozens if not hundreds of researchers that have gone before him, let alone the many contemporaries  that have helped him to date.

I was just suggesting that it would be honourable to acknowledge his use of the existing work and write up and publish his discoveries, to add to the co-operative effort for the benefit of us all.


Thus there is no difficulty in replacing Lenz conjecture with another more precise, realistic one, Tell him I am am all ears.

Ron


 



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on October 02, 2016, 11:51:36 PM
Speaking for myself, I try to take the words at their face value so when I read:

I am not asking anyone for anything, and don't recommend that folks ask each other for anything.
Other than frustration I cannot understand why you would understand:
No one is allowed to help another in this quest, it is forbidden.

Then,
Tell him I am am all ears.

Thank you for your confidence in me, but you just asked him yourself.
Moreover, Erfinder publicly stated:

I am here to exchange with people who rely on themselves, individuals who are travelling that road which leads within, folk who can and do stand strong in a deluge of spit, name calling, sticks, and stones.   

Rather than "how should I do this or that" I bet he is open to deeper questions and "guide" you to find the answer by yourself. The effect on that is like in "give a fish / teach to fish" proverb.

Regards.


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 03, 2016, 04:59:05 PM
No,, V2T2 is one idea and T3 is anotherIt is between the D10 to D11 connection and V2,, not shown, correct.
The transformer is a toroid and it is off-the-shelf
IS-H040918   NRE

The resistance of the throughput coil (blue to black) is about 0.4 ohms, the core is about a 3X4X3X4cm square.

The scavenge is about 2.5 ohms

The coil tag has it

pri : 120V .....0V (red red)  125*C

40V ... 0V .... 40V  ( blue black black blue)

The wire diameter with lacquer is about 0.9mm for the Blue\Black

The donut has an ID of about 45mm and an OD of about 105mm

The Red wire was a bifilar with smaller diameter wire.  I have taken this and separated the wires so they are 2 coils.

The Black wires were a center tap point and I separated them so they are 2 separate coils.


OK, thanks for the additional info!


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 04, 2016, 12:06:13 AM
Upon initial investigation of the autotransformer concept, using a standard center tapped transformer with the windings connected in series,  I am finding that I can collect much more energy in a cap by rectifying the inductive collapse across all of the coils while only pulsing one, rather than taking the inductive collapse across just the winding I am pulsing.  Very interesting...


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 04, 2016, 01:37:05 AM
                    deep breath in,holding :"I am pulsing."
                    thinking ::)
                    deep breath out : Aha ;)
 

                    Very interesting...


                    Compare auto-transformer and "your: I am ...... "  Wake up,child (Kate Bush)
                                                                                                     Wheatering High
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 05, 2016, 12:55:08 AM
Misc. rambling,,

When dealing with coils, with and without cores, I still vacillate over if the collapsing field from a pulse is collapsing back into or away from the coil and or core.

Is it the same for an air core and a permeable core?

Is it the local environment rushing back in and replacing or is it the local environment pushing the "bubble" back to where it came from.

To use a coil,, well the way we use them I don't think it matters but if we wish to use them differently it might matter a lot.

Drop a pebble into a pond of water--you now have your answer.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on October 05, 2016, 02:23:44 AM
Drop a pebble into a pond of water--you now have your answer.


Brad

Grass Hopper   ;D

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 05, 2016, 01:39:05 PM
"Reduced Impedance Effect".  A condition which can be established in inductors, a condition suggested by Paul Babcock.


Who has heard about this?  Of those who have heard about it, how many believe it's real, of those who believe it's real, how many believe it can be demonstrated?



Regards


I have heard of this and halfway attempted to replicate it at one point.  I am not sure I saw anything interesting as I was not doing it exactly like paul does with the controlled collapse of the inductor thru his switching process.  But I would think the same thing should happen in pulsed coils where the inductive reactive energy is collected in a cap or used up somehow.  So theoretically if all of the magnetism has been removed from the coil, the coil should show a reduced impedance to the flow of current and all pulsing/capturing rigs should exhibit this reduced impedance phenomena.  I don't think they do... What are your thoughts on where the disconnect is?  Since Paul talks about being able to run full current thru 300 mH coils at 400Hz....


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 05, 2016, 03:47:45 PM
Do you think that is the full answer?

If you remember that that "pond" is a 3D sphere and not the flat surface you see.

Personally I do not think the pebble and pond is the answer.  I think it only represents a mode of propagation.

Your question
Quote: When dealing with coils, with and without cores, I still vacillate over if the collapsing field from a pulse is collapsing back into or away from the coil and or core.

We live in the field of a magnetic pond,and pulsing a coil dose to that magnetic pond,like the pebble dose to the liquid pond.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 05, 2016, 04:33:47 PM
If the pebble is large enough the water will not cover the pebble,, but the propagation of the disturbance still happens.

If the water is deep enough it will encase the pebble before the pebble stops moving.

There are so many variations that the pebble and pond only describe a means of the disturbance being communicated throughout the water.

Do you think that the pebble and water describe all of the interactions that are possible??

No,but you were talking only of the magnetic field,while the electric field associated with the magnetic field seems to be always forgotten.

What is the field that is inducing the single turn secondary in the video below,if all magnetic flux is suppose to remain within the core of a toroid transformer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 06, 2016, 12:31:28 AM

I have heard of this and halfway attempted to replicate it at one point.  I am not sure I saw anything interesting as I was not doing it exactly like paul does with the controlled collapse of the inductor thru his switching process.  But I would think the same thing should happen in pulsed coils where the inductive reactive energy is collected in a cap or used up somehow.  So theoretically if all of the magnetism has been removed from the coil, the coil should show a reduced impedance to the flow of current and all pulsing/capturing rigs should exhibit this reduced impedance phenomena.  I don't think they do... What are your thoughts on where the disconnect is?  Since Paul talks about being able to run full current thru 300 mH coils at 400Hz....


Dave


Okay, so on second thought after running a few experiments.  There is definitely a significantly reduced impedance when maintaining magnetizing force in one direction.  However, I am still unsure of how Paul got got his full current thru those coils....
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 06, 2016, 01:00:57 AM
No,but you were talking only of the magnetic field,while the electric field associated with the magnetic field seems to be always forgotten.

What is the field that is inducing the single turn secondary in the video below,if all magnetic flux is suppose to remain within the core of a toroid transformer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0)


The A field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers)

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 06, 2016, 02:35:11 AM



@AC - Some time back you made an interesting comment:

IancaIV


It is well known the electrostatic force is very large. I believe the numbers say if we had two 1 m^2 plates spaced 1 meter apart and moved 1 ampere of current of opposite charges to each plate the force of attraction generated would be 1 million tons. This cannot be done for obvious reasons however that does not change the fact the forces are extremely large.


In another example if we took a cube of aluminum as big as a sugar cube and separated all the charges in it 1 meter apart the force of attraction would be 32 million million million pounds. Equivalent to the force applied by the weight of a cube of steel 76 miles high, 76 miles wide and 76 miles long.


I know all these things from memory because my primary field of expertise is electrostatics outside the context of my occupation as an Engineer. Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored however electrostatics is still considered the black arts in many circles. We have much to learn in this area.


AC


Sadly, it took me sometime to find the data I was looking for. But I found it.

I have ponded over your comment for some time. My interest in this field promped me to ask, What makes you believe "Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored"? Personally I believe there are massive Holes, even some inconsistencies.

Some work that is also questioning similar area's is: Incompetent Science - by Carl van der Togt (http://www.paradox-paradigm.nl/?page_id=87)

His work in the famous Aether Experiment of Michelson–Morley is alone ground breaking.

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 06, 2016, 02:36:32 AM
                              MHD/MED- channel/tube f.e. as "toroidal air core"
                                 
                                        incarnation/realization of the
 
        der Schein(the shining/imaginaere Kreis/ imaginary-virtual circle) der Heiligen(Saints)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on October 06, 2016, 07:41:53 AM
Hey EMJ
Quote
I have ponded over your comment for some time. My interest in this field promped me to ask, What makes you believe "Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored"? Personally I believe there are massive Holes, even some inconsistencies.


I think the common understanding of electro-magnetics has been well explored relating specifically to the types of devices most people build. Personally I like to separate the properties of any given phenomena or groups into three classes, electrostatic, electro-magnetic and magnetic. Bulk generalizations towards phenomena as I generally see follow a road leading to nowhere while understanding phenomena on the level they occur shows great potential.


As if to say... I understand that when a charged particle moves it carries it's charge with it. Likewise in moving it creates what many call a magnetic field and again the charge carries it's magnetic field with it. We know these things intuitively and yet we brush them off as insignificant. We ignore everything that really matters and make bulk generalizations as if to say all that stuff happening under the surface does not matter... when it is all that matters. Every part of the whole must dictate the action of the whole. It is actually quite easy and it's kind of like people, what we think we see on the surface seldom relates to whats really inside.


Quote
Some work that is also questioning similar area's is: [/font]Incompetent Science - by Carl van der Togt (http://www.paradox-paradigm.nl/?page_id=87)[/font]
His work in the famous Aether Experiment of Michelson–Morley is alone ground breaking. [/size]


Damn you EMJ, I was compelled to spend the last hour or so reading your link.
Alternately... what if everything was simple, what if it was rather easy?. What if space was like an electromagnetic pegboard and in order for something to move it must move on something, our pegboard, such as already existing EM waves covering what we know as the EM spectrum born from every star in the universe. Every sequential change in energy state or as some call it "motion" must take discrete steps from one pegboard hole to the next within a defined time frame. Which may be why one peg cannot jump another, it cannot generally jump multiple holes and in most instances it cannot push off of an already existing peg. Which reminds us of something we already know concerning conduction electrons moving through the crystalline lattice of a metal.


I think the Michelson–Morley experiment is a lesson in the obvious. So they spat out some photons from a light source with multiple paths and expected the interference pattern to show a difference in velocity due to the motion of some mysterious aether?. You know sometimes disproving is in fact proving and vice versa however it is completely dependent on which side of the fence we make our observations. Does the experiment prove there is no relative motion between a particle and the Aether or does it prove all particles follow discrete steps ie. motion regardless of the the apparent motion due to an Aether?. In my mind the first question would be if the supposed absolute velocity of the photon (speed of photon plus movement of source) did not match the measured velocity of the photon then what impeded it's velocity?, something must have...what was it?.


In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.


Best Regards
AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 06, 2016, 10:32:24 AM
https://forum.azimuthproject.org/discussion/313/potentially-revolutionary-theories/p2 (https://forum.azimuthproject.org/discussion/313/potentially-revolutionary-theories/p2)


                      you are refering him,but if we do not know the context to this thesis
                                             or shall I write hypo-thesis(!?)
                      we would have to think that he is accucing all: medicine,biology,Arts
                      mathematics,chemistry,physics,theology, et ..... et ....cetera to be
         
                                            incompetent


                       In german: wo ist er zu Haus :(his profession,his confession,Family dates)
            we have his Name: Carl van der Togt (I would estimate ,in german: ein Flame/Holland)
                                        without to look for this curriculum vitae(german: Lebenslauf)
                                         doing a census/Schaetzung/estimation :


  his confession  ? : Holland citizen are mostly (Generalsstaaten-history against the Habsburger)
                                 ergo: mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit Protestant,evtl. Atheist


                                   his "real world family home  : Europe ? other continent ?"
                                   his profession,degree,title,honours(awards),reknown science results ?
                                   science is incompetent: has he the competence to critizise a
                                   Professor Dr.med ......,who works as scientists and showing the science
                                   by applying it,the knowledge-methods-tecniques to his(male)/her(female)                                          students and probabaly working as applying Doctor.med in an hospital,
                                   ambulant center .... !?
                                   All the science and scientists worldwide incompetent  ?


 Or it is not better to concretizise his "hypo-/thesis" only to physics,especially to the highest level
known by Minkowski and Einstein,de Broglie,Compton ,Planck for the "Quanten Paar Physik /
quantum mechanics" and the related Philosophical school in german named "Relativistische Kinematik" which makes part from the Kybernetik


who is really interest to find solutions,german Grundlagenforschung(~ science fundamentals) und angewandte Forschung(applied fundamentals),
will find here (someone will need a very good translator,attention with the google automatic translation idiomatic,but as first translation step this "Dolmetscher" is a good help ! 


          This is Nobelpreis-award level(Stockholm,Oslo),hard stuff(complexity) -but "soft ware" !


There is the answer from the rom.-catholic church "Auftrag/Petititon/Bitte" to the "quantum mechanics science" and scientist to give the answer about the "existance from GOD/GOTT/ALLAH/JWHE/CREATOR/SCHOEPFER and all similar high praysed/bepraised GODNESSES
like GAIA/GODMOTHER and same !


Exists GOD(english writen) : Yes ! Male or female or neutrum ? Can be in all this sexus kinds !
What is GOD ? From physics standpoint : Existance over > 0° Kelvin up to ? over C.E.R.N. temperature/and compression level !
GOD great ? Is the Universe not great ? GOD small begins with Sub-Angstrom-detection measuring
instruments,but shall ever be greater the MENGENLEHRE definition
and let us define this in the neutrum sexus:


                                                        GODNESS > { }


                                     in german words :
 DAS GOETTLICHE IST DIE KLEINSTE EINHEIT WELCHE DIE LEERE MENGE AUFFUELLT


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https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCC0WSrwrhrmix0DIIEOMi-oXEJNXUWtrM-8wuUGLn5dhNVzuz (https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCC0WSrwrhrmix0DIIEOMi-oXEJNXUWtrM-8wuUGLn5dhNVzuz)


for us humans the GOD from each of us is untouchable because GOD in this meant theologiacal case
is only one part of all our scientifical Universe: here it is the MENTION in Art and Kind exposed ,
Sixtinische Kapelle (Sybillinischen Verse ? in der Naehe ?)


Do you really all thought that only why they are analphabets these people did/do not believe in a kind of an GODNESS ? Or the Atheists : they only call their GODNESS with other EXPRESSIONS !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 06, 2016, 11:08:10 AM

The A field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers)

Ron

It's actually the E field that induces a current in the secondary,and that current creates the magnetic field around the secondary.

Quote:
This figure shows the half section of a toroidal transformer. Quasi-static conditions are assumed, so the phase of each field is everywhere the same. The transformer, its windings and all things are distributed symmetrically about the axis of symmetry. The windings are such that there is no circumferential current. The requirements are met for full internal confinement of the B field due to the primary current. The core and primary winding are represented by the gray-brown torus. The primary winding is not shown, but the current in the winding at the cross section surface is shown as gold (or orange) ellipses. The B field caused by the primary current is entirely confined to the region enclosed by the primary winding (i.e. the core). Blue dots on the left hand cross section indicate that lines of B flux in the core come out of the left hand cross section. On the other cross section, blue plus signs indicate that the B flux enters there. The E field sourced from the primary currents is shown as green ellipses. The secondary winding is shown as a brown line coming directly down the axis of symmetry. In normal practice, the two ends of the secondary are connected together with a long wire that stays well away from the torus, but to maintain the absolute axial symmetry, the entire apparatus is envisioned as being inside a perfectly conductive sphere with the secondary wire "grounded" to the inside of the sphere at each end. The secondary is made of resistance wire, so there is no separate load. The E field along the secondary causes current in the secondary (yellow arrows) which causes a B field around the secondary (shown as blue ellipses). This B field fills space, including inside the transformer core, so in the end, there is continuous non-zero B field from the primary to the secondary, if the secondary is not open circuited. The cross product of the E field (sourced from primary currents) and the B field (sourced from the secondary currents) forms the Poynting vector which points from the primary toward the secondary.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 06, 2016, 01:24:06 PM
Hey EMJ

I think the common understanding of electro-magnetics has been well explored relating specifically to the types of devices most people build. Personally I like to separate the properties of any given phenomena or groups into three classes, electrostatic, electro-magnetic and magnetic. Bulk generalizations towards phenomena as I generally see follow a road leading to nowhere while understanding phenomena on the level they occur shows great potential.


As if to say... I understand that when a charged particle moves it carries it's charge with it. Likewise in moving it creates what many call a magnetic field and again the charge carries it's magnetic field with it. We know these things intuitively and yet we brush them off as insignificant. We ignore everything that really matters and make bulk generalizations as if to say all that stuff happening under the surface does not matter... when it is all that matters. Every part of the whole must dictate the action of the whole. It is actually quite easy and it's kind of like people, what we think we see on the surface seldom relates to whats really inside.



Damn you EMJ, I was compelled to spend the last hour or so reading your link.
Alternately... what if everything was simple, what if it was rather easy?. What if space was like an electromagnetic pegboard and in order for something to move it must move on something, our pegboard, such as already existing EM waves covering what we know as the EM spectrum born from every star in the universe. Every sequential change in energy state or as some call it "motion" must take discrete steps from one pegboard hole to the next within a defined time frame. Which may be why one peg cannot jump another, it cannot generally jump multiple holes and in most instances it cannot push off of an already existing peg. Which reminds us of something we already know concerning conduction electrons moving through the crystalline lattice of a metal.


I think the Michelson–Morley experiment is a lesson in the obvious. So they spat out some photons from a light source with multiple paths and expected the interference pattern to show a difference in velocity due to the motion of some mysterious aether?. You know sometimes disproving is in fact proving and vice versa however it is completely dependent on which side of the fence we make our observations. Does the experiment prove there is no relative motion between a particle and the Aether or does it prove all particles follow discrete steps ie. motion regardless of the the apparent motion due to an Aether?. In my mind the first question would be if the supposed absolute velocity of the photon (speed of photon plus movement of source) did not match the measured velocity of the photon then what impeded it's velocity?, something must have...what was it?.


In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.


Best Regards
AC




Hahaha - I had a good old giggle at this. Some deep meaningful and some good old fashioned humour! Nice!

On a completely Un-Scientific note: I believe in the Aether… Why? Because I feel that the Aether is the base medium which all exists, much as Fish see Water as the Medium they spend their lives. I am sure most would see this a similar way if they share my beliefs.

Light can be bent, but to be bent it must travel from point A to point B in a medium, or another way, in what medium can light NOT travel?

Like you said, a stationary Charged Particle has no inherent Magnetic Field, but move the Charged Particle and we see a Magnetic Field… This Magnetic Field is a Wake of Aether, non-observable, organised and coherent Aetheric Fluid.

A Tornado in Space where we would expect to see no observable Tornado.

But we do, the Magnetic Field is observable.

And now, the velocity of the charge Stops, and the Magnetic Field is gone.

So the very motion of Charge is enough to show the Aether is there and that the Magnetic Field is a result of this Aetheric Field at least in my opinion.

Isn’t discussion/debate on these subjects interesting, mostly for the reason that we never seem to come to any real conclusions.


   Chris Sykes
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 06, 2016, 02:43:19 PM

human sin organs bandweith ?
how many sin dimensions are defined and scientifically known and their technical/physical bandweith ?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinnesorgan
-----------------------------------
human ear frequency bandweith ?
human nose bandweith ?
human eye bandweith ?


human more sin organs,un-/known : ...............................................





electric field bandweith ?
magnetic field bandweith ?
 
measure instruments/detector bandweith ? 2D/3D/4D/5..... ?


How many dimensions are scientifically known ?
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=dimension&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=dimension&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 06, 2016, 04:48:15 PM

It's actually the E field that induces a current in the secondary,and that current creates the magnetic field around the secondary.

Brad


You are right, I stand corrected.

Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gotoluc on October 06, 2016, 11:12:18 PM
In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.


Best Regards
AC


Hey AC, it's been a while!

So what's up with this Tesla radiant matter stuff?
Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it :P

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 07, 2016, 01:26:22 AM

Hey AC, it's been a while!

So what's up with this Tesla radiant matter stuff?
Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it :P

Thanks for sharing

Luc



AC, Isn’t this where you precisely arrange three Tachyon Ray Converters at 33.3 degrees to each other, and then fire Binomial Positronic Trans-Dimensional belly button rings at each other at the same time?

Causing a Tear in a Fabric of the Lounge room curtains?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 07, 2016, 03:20:22 AM


AC, Isn’t this where you precisely arrange three Tachyon Ray Converters at 33.3 degrees to each other, and then fire Binomial Positronic Trans-Dimensional belly button rings at each other at the same time?

Causing a Tear in a Fabric of the Lounge room curtains?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it
                                                           ::)

AC, Isn’t this where you precisely arrange three Tachyon Ray Converters at 33.3 degrees to each other, and then fire Binomial Positronic Trans-Dimensional belly button rings at each other at the same time?


                                                                  ;D
                                    Baby auf den Arm nehmen und wiegen,hehehe
                                                                  8)
                                  Freire gotoluc,dormez vous ? Soleil le matinee,dinge,dange,dong     


         Lost and diving in the Plasmonic sea :-*  selbstverliebt,he the Syky ,I will stay as "normal one"


Tschau and vale-bene
                                  OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 08, 2016, 02:16:49 AM




My progress is slow on my replication of Brad's Rotary Transformer.

My research into the RT, shows a lot of inconsistencies. Some data just doesnt fit!

I have to report what Ive found, maybe we can have some comments from Brad if hes ok with correcting me and my research? Correct me where I have gone wrong?

Still at the same place: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/

Yes, none have entered and none are showing an interest which is pretty typical around here! The loudest are always the quietest when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 08, 2016, 04:17:27 AM



My progress is slow on my replication of Brad's Rotary Transformer.

My research into the RT, shows a lot of inconsistencies. Some data just doesnt fit!

I have to report what Ive found, maybe we can have some comments from Brad if hes ok with correcting me and my research? Correct me where I have gone wrong?

Still at the same place: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/)

Yes, none have entered and none are showing an interest which is pretty typical around here! The loudest are always the quietest when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


Good morning,from Portugal view point,03.07 am, Chris Sykes !

Sometimes you have to "shout" more than only 1 time,many times more,that you offer your own idea
resolution website !

I think(I am not stupid ;) ) that with the given link/enderece  http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/) the number of "none" here "....none have entered and none are showing an interest ..."
will become something of the past !

But at today you has the "hyiq.org" page , how many :o  "main" pages you will establish for h(a)ow many ideas/concepts ? Amazon has one page/website-link,but with several 10/100/... sub-pages !


I hope for you that you will get enough "fellowers/followers" and that in future the 24h day will be sufficient long to satisfy yours and the interests of all others which will work with you or led them only informed by your delivered site information,with the freedom to give advice,from where their knowledge they have get !


Good bye and a peacefull and successfull future
                                                                           OCWL
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 08, 2016, 05:00:59 AM

Good morning,from Portugal view point,03.07 am, Chris Sykes !

Sometimes you have to "shout" more than only 1 time,many times more,that you offer your own idea
resolution website !

I think(I am not stupid ;) ) that with the given link/enderece  http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/) the number of "none" here "....none have entered and none are showing an interest ..."
will become something of the past !

But at today you has the "hyiq.org" page , how many :o  "main" pages you will establish for h(a)ow many ideas/concepts ? Amazon has one page/website-link,but with several 10/100/... sub-pages !


I hope for you that you will get enough "fellowers/followers" and that in future the 24h day will be sufficient long to satisfy yours and the interests of all others which will work with you or led them only informed by your delivered site information,with the freedom to give advice,from where their knowledge they have get !


Good bye and a peacefull and successfull future
                                                                           OCWL
 




Good Morning IancaIV.

I do not want any Followers or Fellowers as you termed. I want people to be independant! Be their own leader. Make their own minds up.

Trending patterns in todays world, point toward a very bad future. We must make sufficent effort now to try to curb the worst of whats to come.

Do you know why Jupiter's Moon Io exhibits Volcanic activity? - It is too far from the Sun for the Sun to be the cause!!!

But, why are Global Volcanoes going through the Roof? Scientists tell us we are going through the Sixth Great Extinction: Will Humans Survive the Sixth Great Extinction? (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150623-sixth-extinction-kolbert-animals-conservation-science-world/)

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 06:02:22 AM



My progress is slow on my replication of Brad's Rotary Transformer.

My research into the RT, shows a lot of inconsistencies. Some data just doesnt fit!

I have to report what Ive found, maybe we can have some comments from Brad if hes ok with correcting me and my research? Correct me where I have gone wrong?

Still at the same place: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/

Yes, none have entered and none are showing an interest which is pretty typical around here! The loudest are always the quietest when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

I would like to refer to a statement from an email you sent me Chris-hope you dont mind,as it is just a statement.

Hey Brad - Just thought I'd let you know, as prommised, my local Engineering shop, two of them, laughed at me, said that Boring a hole in the Armature would be nearly impossible without destroying the Armature.
So, I am lost, looks like this boring a hole thing is going to be a no goer...

I wonder how many people just give up because the !so called! ex-sperts say it is near impossible  ::) ::)
Lucky for me,i am limited only by my own abilities.
See pic's below Chris-->just done this morning for your entertainment-->11 minutes on an $85.00 dollar drill press,and the correct procedure.
Thank god for engineer shop's-hey ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 08, 2016, 06:55:49 AM
I would like to refer to a statement from an email you sent me Chris-hope you dont mind,as it is just a statement.

Hey Brad - Just thought I'd let you know, as prommised, my local Engineering shop, two of them, laughed at me, said that Boring a hole in the Armature would be nearly impossible without destroying the Armature.
So, I am lost, looks like this boring a hole thing is going to be a no goer...

I wonder how many people just give up because the !so called! ex-sperts say it is near impossible  ::) ::)
Lucky for me,i am limited only by my own abilities.
See pic's below Chris-->just done this morning for your entertainment-->11 minutes on an $85.00 dollar drill press,and the correct procedure.
Thank god for engineer shop's-hey ;)


Brad




Hey Brad - Nice work there!

Of course this is an entirely different Armature! Not pressed into the Steel Casing of the Vacuum Motor Casing. Also a lot larger by the looks!

I am most certainly not an expert! I hope you went implying I was? I most certainly do not limit myself to anything other than Facts! None should!

Brad, I did ask questions because the Facts did not add up and Questions remained. I have actually done some experiments on Vacuum Cleaner Motors that I have not released, and yes I did try to get an Armature out of the Steel Housing from where it was pressed in. Needless to say, it did not come out without damage! I had scratches on the Steel Casing and also damaged the Laminations on the Armature. The Armature securing Lugs I did have to punch out, and this did damage the Steel Housing, it was clearly visible where I punched out the Lugs.

The pressed Fit of the Armature was too tight for easy clean removal from the Steel Casing.

The numbers given still don’t add up either. 3 + 3 + 4 x 2 = 20. My Armature is only 15mm across. So I guess my research is still in error. Maybe you were referring to a larger Armature?

Again, Brad I am no expert. Motors are not my strong point! I enjoy researching devices that have potential, and the RT seems as if it has…

Sadly, I am the only one asking questions! None are willing to learn?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: My specific requirement to my local Engineering Shop, was Clean No Damage scenario, out and back in.  Looking like its never been out. They were being honest, there would be visible signs of removal.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 07:14:24 AM



Hey Brad - Nice work there!

Of course this is an entirely different Armature! Not pressed into the Steel Casing of the Vacuum Motor Casing. Also a lot larger by the looks!

I am most certainly not an expert! I hope you went implying I was? I most certainly do not limit myself to anything other than Facts! None should!

Brad, I did ask questions because the Facts did not add up and Questions remained. I have actually done some experiments on Vacuum Cleaner Motors that I have not released, and yes I did try to get an Armature out of the Steel Housing from where it was pressed in. Needless to say, it did not come out without damage! I had scratches on the Steel Casing and also damaged the Laminations on the Armature. The Armature securing Lugs I did have to punch out, and this did damage the Steel Housing, it was clearly visible where I punched out the Lugs.

The pressed Fit of the Armature was too tight for easy clean removal from the Steel Casing.

The numbers given still don’t add up either. 3 + 3 + 4 x 2 = 20. My Armature is only 15mm across. So I guess my research is still in error. Maybe you were referring to a larger Armature?

Again, Brad I am no expert. Motors are not my strong point! I enjoy researching devices that have potential, and the RT seems as if it has…

Sadly, I am the only one asking questions! None are willing to learn?


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org


P.S: My specific requirement to my local Engineering Shop, was Clean No Damage scenario, out and back in.  Looking like its never been out. They were being honest, there would be visible signs of removal.

Chris

Would you like me to show you how to get the armature out of the steel housing within seconds,without a scratch,or without having to even pop the retainer pressings out.

20 seconds-thats all it takes Chris.

As i said,there are ex-spurts,and then there are those that know what there doing,or how to do things.
Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 08, 2016, 07:22:56 AM
Chris

Would you like me to show you how to get the armature out of the steel housing within seconds,without a scratch,or without having to even pop the retainer pressings out.

20 seconds-thats all it takes Chris.

As i said,there are ex-spurts,and then there are those that know what there doing,or how to do things.
Brad



Hi Brad, its your call what you do, or want to do.

Perhaps you would like to join the Build Off Party and see if we can all make some progress?

Its entirely up to you what you do, but I would like to replicate this with some accuracy and I am sure at least one other person here would also.

Asking questions is only logical when questions arrise, isnt it?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 07:50:44 AM


Hi Brad, its your call what you do, or want to do.





Asking questions is only logical when questions arrise, isnt it?

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

Well Chris,it's like this.
It seems to me that you are doing your best to point out negatives that just do not exist in your build attempt.
The first one being that to drill the hole through the laminated core would be next to impossible,as per the engineering shops comments.
Second,you say that it is near impossible to get the stator out of the housing without damage of some sort,and you point out that there is no damage what so ever present in or on the housing of my motor.

First i showed you that a hole can be drilled into a laminated core with ease--if you know what your doing. This puts your first !near impossibility! into the !easy as! basket,and shows that it can be done with ease-with any size laminated core.

So now i will have to put the second concern to rest,in that you find it hard to believe that the stator can be removed within 20 second's,without so much as a scratch.

So i'll be back in a while,to post the video,that once again will show you that what you think near impossible,is done with ease.

Quote
Perhaps you would like to join the Build Off Party and see if we can all make some progress?

No,i would not like to join the build off. That is reserved for those that junk my work,but as seen many times now,will never take me on.

Quote
Its entirely up to you what you do, but I would like to replicate this with some accuracy and I am sure at least one other person here would also.

I have shown you that it is quite easy to drill the hole in the laminated core.
I will soon show you how easy it is to get the stator out.

As i clearly stated way back in the thread where the measurements took place,under the guidance of PW and MarkE,there would be no full disclosure of the entire workings of the RT--and that remains to date.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on October 08, 2016, 08:16:09 AM
Do you know maybe how to to remove generator from the case of portable generator without special tool ? https://www.google.pl/search?biw=1280&bih=877&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=generator+650W&oq=generator+650W&gs_l=img.3...6800.8050.0.8203.5.5.0.0.0.0.147.655.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.4.525...0j0i19k1j0i30i19k1j0i5i30i19k1j0i8i30i19k1.RjrY5VuhL7E#imgrc=FTMnia6XjGMRTM%3A
There is a flywheel inside  :(


Just in case you know everything  ::)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 08:27:15 AM
Do you know maybe how to to remove generator from the case of portable generator without special tool ? https://www.google.pl/search?biw=1280&bih=877&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=generator+650W&oq=generator+650W&gs_l=img.3...6800.8050.0.8203.5.5.0.0.0.0.147.655.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.4.525...0j0i19k1j0i30i19k1j0i5i30i19k1j0i8i30i19k1.RjrY5VuhL7E#imgrc=FTMnia6XjGMRTM%3A
There is a flywheel inside  :(


Just in case you know everything  ::)

First-yes,i can completely strip one of those in under 15 minute's-thats my job,and i have many of them here.
Second. There is no flywheel inside,only the rotor and armature. The flywheel is on the opposite side of the motor to that of the generator.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 09:00:26 AM
How to do the !hard! things easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nWWtmPq6I


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: EMJunkie on October 08, 2016, 09:40:01 AM
Well Chris,it's like this.
It seems to me that you are doing your best to point out negatives that just do not exist in your build attempt.
The first one being that to drill the hole through the laminated core would be next to impossible,as per the engineering shops comments.
Second,you say that it is near impossible to get the stator out of the housing without damage of some sort,and you point out that there is no damage what so ever present in or on the housing of my motor.

First i showed you that a hole can be drilled into a laminated core with ease--if you know what your doing. This puts your first !near impossibility! into the !easy as! basket,and shows that it can be done with ease-with any size laminated core.

So now i will have to put the second concern to rest,in that you find it hard to believe that the stator can be removed within 20 second's,without so much as a scratch.

So i'll be back in a while,to post the video,that once again will show you that what you think near impossible,is done with ease.

No,i would not like to join the build off. That is reserved for those that junk my work,but as seen many times now,will never take me on.

I have shown you that it is quite easy to drill the hole in the laminated core.
I will soon show you how easy it is to get the stator out.

As i clearly stated way back in the thread where the measurements took place,under the guidance of PW and MarkE,there would be no full disclosure of the entire workings of the RT--and that remains to date.


Brad




Oh Brad, I am not junking your work, why would you think this?

Clearly I admire your work, or I would have never even attempted to replicate the RT in the first place! I don’t work on worthless Junk! Or Study it either!

Some might see my critique as negative, but I see it as positive!!! You see, now I have learnt something, and I am very sure others have also!!! Rusty and Corroded as well... Nice!

I gave you a thumbs up, if I could I would give you more! So where is the negative in this so far?

Now on a negative note: I hear its near impossible to Spin up a Sleeve put a Coil on it, spin up a cover sleeve and press fit it into the Newly Bored Hole?

Mate I am pulling your leg.


   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org

P.S: I get it, "for those" - Its ok, I am a bit slow today ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on October 08, 2016, 12:16:46 PM
How to do the !hard! things easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nWWtmPq6I


Brad

Dear Brad.

With the right tools available. " The impossible takes but a few moments, miracles just a little longer!"

You have my full attention.........

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on October 08, 2016, 01:18:56 PM
Hey Brad,

Thanks for the video.  Nicely done!  It is always a pleasure to watch a craftsman at work.  And almost always educational too.

I knew how to bore a hole in the laminations.  An old machinist taught me that trick years ago.  But the way you removed the coils and laminations from the case was an ingenious idea.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 08, 2016, 02:20:01 PM
Dear Brad.

With the right tools available. " The impossible takes but a few moments, miracles just a little longer!"

You have my full attention.........

Cheers Grum.

I always thought it was miracles are done at once,but the impossible takes a little longer lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on October 08, 2016, 05:15:14 PM
I always thought it was miracles are done at once,but the impossible takes a little longer lol.


Brad

 :)

Ah..... Perhaps being an Aussie like the Welsh some sentences read backwards??   ;)

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on October 08, 2016, 10:39:24 PM
Hey Luc
Quote
So what's up with this Tesla radiant matter stuff?[/size]Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it


I will start a new thread tonight and go through what is required. In my setup I was using a 100 KV DC supply, Tesla's magnetically quenched spark gap and an 8" stainless steel spherical electrode.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gotoluc on October 08, 2016, 11:58:58 PM
Hey Luc

I will start a new thread tonight and go through what is required. In my setup I was using a 100 KV DC supply, Tesla's magnetically quenched spark gap and an 8" stainless steel spherical electrode.


AC


Thanks AC


Looking forward to the topic ;)


Thanks for sharing


Luc
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 13, 2016, 10:33:27 PM



Hi Guys,
 
 I shot a quick video just to prove that at one point in time it worked! There has literally been no smoke free days while this was under development. The best word to describe it is "SNAFU" situation normal... all f*cked up.
 
 The coil is one coil from my Bedini days energizer. One written up by Patrick Kelly in D3, incidentally. It is a five strand coil, with two strands in series for this experiment. It was inspired by Carroll's and erfinder's work. So what you see here is a work in progress. Mind you, with just the recovery of the powered coils the thing is working better than when it was a three coil energizer!
 
 The main power board is set up for two 180 degree power mosfets for coil shorting and coil driving. The cap dump is set to trigger at 24 volts and with a latch built around the TC426 gate drive chip, turn off at 15 volts. It is only running at around 20 Hz as I need a bigger cap bank to cut down on the too rapid filling. As it is the DMM won't keep up with changing voltage.
 
  Ron

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUtlenDllA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUtlenDllA)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 14, 2016, 10:13:50 PM



Hi all,

Well the coil shorting was not something I could make work.

However, just the power coils (two in series) pulsed at 46 per minute. With the next two in series and with its own diode the pulse rate went up to 52 per minute. Some slight progress.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 15, 2016, 05:02:12 AM
snip...
 The main power board is set up for two 180 degree power mosfets for coil shorting and coil driving.
snip...
Could you elaborate on this Ron. Does this mean you are pulsing the series connected strands, then coil shorting the other strands during the off mode of the series coil? That is, the short is 180 degrees relative to the pulse? Have you tried simultaneous pulsing of the series connected strands, with the other strands shorted during the pulse, with both mosfets open after the pulse?

Trying to understand your sequencing of coil pulsing and shorting, and which coils are doing what.
Cheers Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 15, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
Could you elaborate on this Ron. Does this mean you are pulsing the series connected strands, then coil shorting the other strands during the off mode of the series coil? That is, the short is 180 degrees relative to the pulse? Have you tried simultaneous pulsing of the series connected strands, with the other strands shorted during the pulse, with both mosfets open after the pulse?

Trying to understand your sequencing of coil pulsing and shorting, and which coils are doing what.
Cheers Ron


Sorry Hoptoad, I was having a seniors moment there!  The two pulses are nearly simultaneous. What I was aiming for was the shorting pulse to be shorter than the power pulse. To achieve that I used the propagation delay of the four sections of a CD4011 which delays the power pulse by say 180 uS. But I was using mosfets so damned body diode gets into the act. Not a fair test, just a. "what I was doing didn't work", test.


Edit: However, with no coil shorting, the cap dump circuit works great. I was wondering if it was working at all at 7.5 mS dump pulse but that was with a nearly charged battery --- with a battery from storage at 10 volts,  the pulse length went to 42 mS so quite happy.


Ron


 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 15, 2016, 08:53:15 PM
What might happen if the primary had a low inductance\resistance and just before the peak voltage was reached a second coil was then shorted or connected to an empty cap?

I see the primary having a small current suddenly bursting a high current pulse due to the transformer action with the second coil, the flux field is charge carrier motion,, so the flux field would jump up from the,,,, lets just call it an impulse current hit,,  now provide some form of interactive resistance to the collapse of the now large flux field, that sounds to me like an inductive interaction.

Just thinking in public,, :)


Same here.. I think we are still miles from where erfinder is at this time


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on October 15, 2016, 09:11:43 PM
Ron,

I went  back and tried that circuit again with mosfets and it did NOT work.  Apparently you are right about the internal diode causing problems with this circuit.  If you use a couple of 2n3055 transistors or something similar you should get the same results I got in the video.  And I did not have any delay between the switching of the transistors.  They both turned on and off together.  Hope this helps some.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 16, 2016, 12:09:41 AM
Ron,

I went  back and tried that circuit again with mosfets and it did NOT work.  Apparently you are right about the internal diode causing problems with this circuit.  If you use a couple of 2n3055 transistors or something similar you should get the same results I got in the video.  And I did not have any delay between the switching of the transistors.  They both turned on and off together.  Hope this helps some.

Carroll




Thanks Carroll, I will try again next week.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 16, 2016, 11:21:28 AM
Sorry Hoptoad, I was having a seniors moment there!  The two pulses are nearly simultaneous.
snip...
Ron
Thanks, that answers my query. And don't worry about having a seniors moment. I have them too!
I deal with people whose seniors moment lasts all day. When your moments become minutes, start worrying.

Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 17, 2016, 08:34:20 PM


OK, the test procedure was a five strand coil, with two strands in series being powered. Using a transistor to short one of the remaining strands reduced the output by one half, at least.

So coil shorting in this case is non-productive.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 18, 2016, 03:17:59 AM
Hi Ron,

Where are you recovering from?

How long are you shorting the other coil?



I was recovering from the powered coils

As Carroll said, both pulses the same length

My theory of the moment is that turns ratio is critical, so I should have had less turns and a shorter pulse on the short (as you pointed out)

Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on October 18, 2016, 12:18:59 PM
Hi guys,

Please go back and look at the schematic I posted in post 755.  I pulsed the primary with one half of the secondary shorted.  I collected the collapsing energy from the secondary.  I have not had time to try collecting from the primary so I don't know how well that would work with this test.  I was using a normal off the shelf Radio Shack small transformer as you can see in the video.  The primary is rated at 120 volts and the secondary is center tapped with 12-0-12 output.  I also was only pulsing the primary with 12 volts but the cap on the secondary still went well above that.  If you watch the video again you can see the effect on the scope of having the shorting action or removing the shorting action.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 18, 2016, 05:27:57 PM
Hi guys,

Please go back and look at the schematic I posted in post 755.  I pulsed the primary with one half of the secondary shorted.  I collected the collapsing energy from the secondary.  I have not had time to try collecting from the primary so I don't know how well that would work with this test.  I was using a normal off the shelf Radio Shack small transformer as you can see in the video.  The primary is rated at 120 volts and the secondary is center tapped with 12-0-12 output.  I also was only pulsing the primary with 12 volts but the cap on the secondary still went well above that.  If you watch the video again you can see the effect on the scope of having the shorting action or removing the shorting action.

Carroll


Carroll, I was not implying that your circuit didn't work --- just that I wondered if could be transposed to a JB coil. Well I found out that it doesn't work that way.


I keep in mind Edison's quote, I should print it out and put it above my bench --- "I have not failed, just found ten thousand things that don't work"


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on October 18, 2016, 06:31:22 PM
Ron,

I didn't think you were implying it didn't work.  I was just trying to help you to get it to work.   Also getting the polarity right on the pulsing side will make a big difference on the secondary side.   I used my scope to make sure I was hitting the collector of the shorting transistor with a positive going pulse when I pulsed the primary.  I still want to try some other ideas but have been very busy with family obligations.  I  think erfinder suggested I not pulse the primary so I guess that means to pulse one side of the secondary or maybe all of the secondary.  So many things to try and so little time.

Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 19, 2016, 05:11:14 AM
Does anybody have Erfinder's most recent posts in a pdf format? 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 20, 2016, 06:28:06 PM

Why?


Because I am trying to be as lazy as possible in reviewing some of the things you've posted on this thread...


I've built a Murray inspired Transforming Generator replication out of an old permanent magnet servo motor and would like read some of the statements you've made while I study the device.  It is a very interesting device indeed.  So far it does most of what Jim said that it does but I have much more to learn from it...  I'll post some pictures and data in time.


Dave



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 21, 2016, 09:53:43 PM

Why?


Because you are well thought of on this forum and your ideas are well received. But memory being what it is we at times fail to remember what you said and in what context, so a PDF is an excellent mnemonic. There is an old PDF floating around that everyone has seen but we lack your more important latest posts.


Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 22, 2016, 07:55:20 PM
Does anybody have Erfinder's most recent posts in a pdf format?


There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums


Ron


Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 22, 2016, 08:44:28 PM

What is the point in posting this?  What you think is relevant with regards to what "I" share is irrelevant.  If people want to know more about what I have said, or will say, they should focus on what is said when it's said, and then come up with applicable questions.  You have no idea what I am trying to share nor why I am trying to share it.  The time you just invested in making that last post, you could have invested in asking proper questions of your own.  I hope you understand my position and my reason for no longer being motivated to help any of you understand any more than you think you do already about what it is that I would like for you to experience......


LOL, I didn't do it for you, that was for Dave. Let him answer if it is relevant.


But in this case by relevant I mean I left out the mud slinging posts.


Lastly, I really enjoyed doing that. It was some posts where you actually say something and even give some numbers.


I was learning.


Tough tittie if that bothers you.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on October 22, 2016, 10:25:23 PM
@webby1
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A changing magnetic field will induce a voltage\current kind of thing,, moving current creates a magnetic field, the more current the more field,, so a moving or changing magnetic field creates current flow.  The field that is created is by the current motion at the second you are viewing the field,, so all the build up current is not so much used,, if you will.


Like a snake chasing it's tail, when a charge moves it creates a magnetic field change proportional to it's motion. Thus it should be obvious the charge cannot move faster or slower than the magnetic field change it created without a force evolving to oppose it's change in motion. Normally the charge motion must always be in lock step with it's own magnetic field and when you find a solution to solve this problem you will find your answers.
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The thought then would be that if you created an impulse electric current flow that that would stimulate a reactionary magnetic current to flow, which then could be used to induce electric current to flow, both on the impulse reaction as well as the collapse of the magnetic field that is driving the magnetic current.


The creation of a magnetic field is the reaction force to an accelerating charge limiting it's acceleration thus limiting the process of true induction. Creating more magnetic fields which all limit charge motion thus induction is obviously not the answer were looking for. It's like building an airplane which can never leave the ground when the goal is to fly, building more non-flying airplanes is not the answer.
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The drive coil gets opened, the pulse short coil gets opened, so what if there was a neutral coil handy as the magnetic current started to flow back,, it would try and stop the collapse BECAUSE it would only see the change in flux,, unlike the other 2 coils it does not know or care if the field is going out or back in,, they are polarized in a way but a neutral coil might not be.


That is like saying you could harness the collapse of a balloon without ever inflating it. Normally the energy to create a magnetic field is proportional to the energy released when it is destroyed. Input charges move creating a magnetic field and when the magnetic field collapses it causes other charges to move in exactly the same way...what have you gained?.


Which begs the question... what if charges could move without creating any apparent magnetic field limiting there motion but still effect other charges?. This would be quite a step in the right direction and was exactly the sort of thing Nikola Tesla was proposing. We cannot solve our problems using the same kind of thinking we used to create them, it must be something different if we want a different result.




AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 22, 2016, 10:30:15 PM

There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums

Ron

Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 22, 2016, 10:40:56 PM



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Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 23, 2016, 04:57:58 AM

Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  This device utilized principles of both a transformer and a generator, meaning that the stator windings are toroidally wound and are interacting with each other through the iron core like a transformer while being independently energized by a rotating magnetic field such as found in a generator.


I have taken an old servo motor and  stripped away the encoder and existing stator windings.  This left me with some end bells, an 8 pole permanent magnet rotor, and a laminated iron stator.  I notched out the aluminum case that holds the iron core so that I could wind the toriodally wound stator coils (3 coils @ 240 turns each of 26 AWG) and still put the end bells on.  My testing of this device is on hold until I can get a more solidified test fixture, plastic hose and clamps for the motor/generator coupling makes for a wobbly 3000 rpm... 


It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...


Some attached pics show the device and dissasembly. 


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 23, 2016, 05:52:42 AM
There were originally two coils in the stator.  An unfortunate miscalculation of the respective positions of the first two gave warrant for a third.   (How bout that Erfinder..)  The positions of the coils have to do with the N/S configuration of the rotor.  The two 180 degrees out coils are of a similar rotor pole passing whereas the offset coil is the odd man out.  I can only use two coils (for now) that have opposing magnetic polarities from the rotor energizing them in order to get the transforming effect in the way I want it.  This allows me to use the offset coil with either the adjacent coil or the opposite coil.  Both produce different results.  The effects from the adjacent coil are much more pronounced.  Geometry is an important factor in how this thing operates.


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 23, 2016, 04:01:46 PM
If you give it some thought, you will conclude that all devices whose operation is built around "changing" magnetic fields, all operate as both transformers and generators.  Murray's configuration enables one to investigate the relations between transformer and generator action from a slightly different perspective to the one we are versed in.  Many are mistaking his presentation for an end all.  It is not, many forget how old this topology is, and who perfected it to a high degree before abandoning it.  What we see here is far removed from the "ideal" physical geometry and yields the poorest relations between inducer and induced. 

 


You must try and understand how to establish the proper relations without reducing maximum coupling capability of the system.  If this is the direction you want to go in, keep in mind I do not consider it the right one, the following are a few prerequisites....


    - induced wave must be asymmetrical
    - stator coils and rotor magnets equal in number
    - identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced


The type of generator we are all after is not the type of generator we all build...  Appreciate what we have been given, understand that you have what you want already, comprehend that you always had it!  Recognize that this sought after thing was preserved by the very same individuals who inform us that it doesn't exist. You need not look any further than your conventional pulsed DC machine....I keep saying the same thing, check the record, unlike many, I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.


Lol, I am not mistaking this device for an 'end all'.  I have yet to really get started...  You must crawl before you walk.  I spent the entirety of last year focused on Jim Murray's SERPS concept.  I did not get very far..   Therefore, I built the prerequisite transforming generator in hopes that I may gain some insight into what it is that Jim is doing with his SERPS.


It is not that none of us are listening.  Maybe we are completing tasks that we had committed to before we stumbled upon this thread..  I fully intend on getting to investigating some of the concepts you've suggested.  Not all has fallen on deaf ears.




    - induced wave must be asymmetrical

Are you suggesting that the magnetic field should be asymmetrical or that the coil geometry should be asymmetrical to produce the asymmetry of which you speak?





 - identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced

I am unsure of how much tighter I can couple a magnetic field with this configuration..  Does this 'maximum coupling' hint have anything to do with the coupling between the coils on the stator?  Or is it the coupling between the magnetic field from the rotor and the stator?


Thanks,

Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 23, 2016, 04:57:26 PM


I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.




"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
 
But presented as a riddle, perhaps if you changed the riddle into a guideline then more people would understand?

Just my two cents, 'cause people are listening, just waiting for something of substance

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 23, 2016, 05:05:43 PM
Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  snip

It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...

Dave


Great experiment Dave, thanks for sharing. It is along the line of some of my favourite patents Toroidal generators that is... so disappointing to hear of the increased draw.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 23, 2016, 05:15:03 PM

@Erfinder, thank you for all of that.  I will think about that when I pursue my  pulsed DC tests. 



Murray informed you people that the transforming generator was developed for exploring the difference between EMF and potential, is there is a difference.......that's no longer a question I need answered, ergo lack of question mark.



My dogma.


The transforming generator is a pretty simple, very effective learning device.  It may not be where you are trying to lead people but sometimes we have to take our own detours.  I am a visual, hands-on learner.  This is how I operate.  Somebody telling me something works doesn't really mean much to my intuitive understanding.


Jim Murray stated that there are aspects to the TG that he didn't fully pursue and that are worthy of further research..


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 23, 2016, 05:28:48 PM

For crying out loud!  Murray shows you in a machine that you should expect increased consumption!  One's inability to comprehend how to take advantage of the consumption increase is not the problem of the person making the presentation.


I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.


Yes, there is definitely increased consumption as expected.  This is what I find interesting as Jim says that his machine was destroying energy at a rate of about 2:1.  I get similar results when I perform the test on my device of paralleling both outputs and short circuiting the windings.   I  get about 75 Watts worth of i^2R losses in the output windings and it takes about 150 Watts to run my prime mover.  It takes 30 watts to run the motor generator set with no load.   150W - 30W - 75W = 45W OF UNACCOUNTABLE POWER.  I don't think this is ending up as 45W of eddy currents..  I must do more tests but so far is does seem like it is disappearing energy..


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 24, 2016, 12:46:15 AM

....think about that before you post your rebuttal..... 



Rebuttal is too strong a word --- it was intended as light hearted banter.


But no, I don't like the conversation that we are in and would love to move it to a higher plane. However, the opportunity was for a snide remark... so I will wait for a better opening.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 24, 2016, 05:29:05 PM
snip

I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.


For example in US 7538524 b2, the statement is made that: "Since there is essentially no magnetic flux leaving the stator there is essentially no flux field interaction with the rotor" (shortened quote)

I have done experiments along this line with toroidal cores and I have not seen this to be true. Dave reports the same.

So my mind is quite open to have you demonstrate controlled consumption for us ... go for it.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 24, 2016, 09:31:35 PM

https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24 (https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24)


Excellent, thank you very much.

My tale of woe now is there is not enough detail for me to fully comprehend what is taking place. How the coils are wound? looks like one coil stacked on top of another in some shots, how they are connected, the construction of the 'reactor' and how it is wired into the circuit and why the light bulb doesn't blow up when hit with that spike!

Thanks again,

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 24, 2016, 11:48:49 PM

https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24 (https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24)


Thank you for that.  Like I said, I'm a visual learner.  I will look into this as soon as I get some more mosfet drivers..
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on October 25, 2016, 10:18:46 AM
Hi Efinder, In the video when you shut off the pulse supply there was that flash.
The flash should occur everytime the pulse goes off should it not?
I mean the pwm is constantly turning on and off when it is operating is it not?
That spike of power I believe is occurring constantly in any motor or generator and that is what I'm storing in my cap banks to later be used for motoring.
By not using a constant power supply I think that spike happens alot more.
I'm not sure if what I'm doing is the same or not.
Thanks for taking the time.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 25, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

\You people aren't dealing with the proper energy, and don't seem to even want to familiarize yourselves with it.


Despite yourself you do occasionally slip up and include some real information.

That was a radiant pulse, or cold electricity was it not?

I have dinked around with 'bucking coils' before now and because I never knew what to look for was unable to measure it with, "conventional meters", duh

I think Harold Aspden had started on this path?

Now the nitty gritty is how to recognize this when it happens and get on more familiar terms with it.

Thanks,

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Dog-One on October 25, 2016, 07:48:21 PM
Quote from: Erfinder
https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24

Just had to take a peek at what all the commotion was about.

Very cool.  I like how the lamp shows the beat frequencies as the MG works it's way through the RPM range.  Consumption is also quite prevalent--clearly generation is no longer working against the prime mover allowing significant energy storage to take place.  Nice work crossing the (forbidden) line in the sand with this machine.  No more doubt in my mind that the equations describing these devices can be cut apart and rearranged as desired.  If one can think it, so can one do it.  There's no universal law forcing things to be a certain way.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on October 25, 2016, 08:52:19 PM
Hi Erfinder, "You aren't storing this....not even close, you are not it, it being the system!"
Are you sure?

" You aren't even aware of the fact that it, the system can store energy in the manner I suggest, well....you are now...." I think I do it in a different manner.
"It would be brilliant if you people stopped assuming, stop thinking you know what's going on here, you dont."
Are you sure?

"In the demonstration I show that all of the power being recovered (you have no idea what the term "recovery" "occults" from you..) is being thrown away, literally.  I inform you of exactly where the pulse is coming from, when the PWM is removed, and offer a suggestion of why....clearly this was ignored.  "

Sorry I must have missed this, My recovery cap banks ,when connected  use less drive cap supply...that is when the recovery caps are connected , the motoring caps don't drop as quick.

"I want to make one thing crystal clear, I am not intersted in what any of you are doing.  You may want to take more than just a passing interest in what I am doing..."

I am interested ,I read Grumages' pdf sounds similar maybe I'm wrong.
Not trying to offend anybody just trying to learn.
Your posts are quite cryptic though.

artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 26, 2016, 12:27:55 AM

  Only a select few have what it takes to lift themselves into the air by their own boot straps, as for the rest.... the best they can look forward to is a slow stagnation.


Erfinder, can I ask you a question? do you recognize anyone on this forum with this syndrome?

Signs and symptoms. People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a disdain and lack of empathy for others. These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority, and power-seeking behaviors.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on October 26, 2016, 09:53:18 AM
"You have no idea what I am talking about when I refer to my reactive network.... "

My idea is that I transfer the actions of the coil to cap banks, whereas I Think you store or maybe just re-route and use the actions within the coil itself.

Thinking there is only one way to achieve a certain goal is in itself stagnation.
artv

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 26, 2016, 05:20:32 PM
I have had experiences with teachers that do not provide direct information on a topic, but they instead take you on a journey so that you will build the information up a layer at a time.

I do not think Erfinder will provide a "how-to" nor anything about the circuit he has produced and most likely not to much more about the coils he has wound.

All these things will fall out when the correct perspective is used to build something. (there may be more than one way to use the view and maybe the correct perspective can also be viewed from a few angles)

The cryptic answers and the sequence they are answered in I think will make sense once the perspective is seen,, that is when you go from one step to the next and then look back things might make sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y5XrXA4aI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y5XrXA4aI&feature=youtu.be)

Did you read the note?  Did you write down the numbers from the video and then listen to what was being said,, I know these sound bad but there are a few ways of hearing the information and interpreting it,, or not.

I take input and go over it a few times,, often what I first think about the input changes,, a few days may go by and reflecting on the input,, this is usually my own tests by the way,, I see something else that I did not see the first time.

Yes Dave that is true to a limited extent. But as this internet thingie is a "school" then in this case he is the teacher.

How many of the following concepts are being met?

1. A great teacher respects students.
 
 2. A great teacher creates a sense of community and belonging in the classroom.
 
 3. A great teacher is warm, accessible, enthusiastic and caring.
 
 4. A great teacher sets high expectations for all students.
 
 5. A great teacher has his own love of learning
 
 6. A great teacher is a skilled leader.
 
 7. A great teacher can “shift-gears"
 
 8. A great teacher collaborates with colleagues on an ongoing basis.
 
 9. A great teacher maintains professionalism in all areas


Again, in this case I am a "special needs" student as I need something visual. I have never been able to build something from hints or allusions. I well remember my days as an apprentice machinist when the boss would come up to me and ask me to make something--- he would take out his pen and draw a picture on the back of his hand... then turn and put his hands in his pockets and walk away, leaving me scratching my head???


 Yes I watched that link but where do the wires go? how is it connected? How do you 'know' the meter is connected to the transformer? How do you 'know' that it is a transformer? all you see is something white with two terminal strips either side? You are assuming,,,is this scientific? he never shows a complete picture. I have played around with this for days and have got nowhere.


I am aware that I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer but I object to being condemned to a life of stagnation and have registered my protest to the cruel and bulling comments made. The other day I was nearly to the point of going down to the shop and throwing everything into the garbage and calling it a day

Thanks for the comeback

Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 26, 2016, 10:04:05 PM

Have you figured out what you want yet?


You have already told me what I want, did I argue?   ;)

Ron

 
Quote
what I am trying to share that's what you really want.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 26, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
Quote from: Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg494493#msg494493 date=1477496442
Luc, 2015-02-05, I'm presently attempting a replication of Erfinder's multi-strand bucking generator coils which he has demonstrated in this video: http://vimeo.com/117820507 (http://vimeo.com/117820507)


To illustrate my frustration I thought this would be a good introduction to your work. You actually state some numbers, but incompletely.
Then the video has been removed --- and Luc has gone off on a tangent having nothing to do with your work. Plus there seems to be no record  of anyone ever trying to replicate this experiment... hello? where do I start?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on October 26, 2016, 11:45:03 PM

Its difficult to contemplate and or discuss the what ifs with one whom is no longer in the position to have an exchange of ideas.  Unlike Lenz, his ideas were not "committed" to the volume which would later be referred to by all.


No he was not crazy, but he is not the subject.  To see what he was suggesting, we must comprehend that which has yet to be comprehended.  Do you have any idea why three coils is significant?  Why two will never do?


Regards




So how about these three coils...  Would two of these coils be similar to the two power windings of a magamp and then the third be your stator winding?  The stator winding positioned in the middle of the two power windings in order to 'float' it between two sources of varying impedance?


I've been thinking about parametric induction and how the induced current would affect the stator coil.  Interesting to think about.  Just got some mosfet drivers so I will begin to put together some tests.  After seeing your short video, I have lost my immediate interest in the transforming generator...


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on October 27, 2016, 01:35:43 AM
Had a thought

Say we have a transformer that has say 1000 turn primary and a 10 turn sec.

The input voltage will be 100 times the sec voltage, but low amp in and high amps out.

Seems odd the sec can have this high current capability considering its voltage.  Is it that the electrons in the sec are more free to move at apparent low voltage potential?

I know. Its the primary that drives the sec current.  But maybe there is a way to take advantage of that sec full of easy to move electrons by figuring out a way of accelerating them as if there is higher voltage on the sec.

Just thoughts. had to write it down

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 27, 2016, 04:41:44 PM

Now that that is out of the way, you didn't answer my question.  Did you find what you were looking for?  I told you what you really want, you dont know what that is...and if I shared that bit of info with you, it wouldn't make sense because you dont see things in the right light yet.

I am into vibration. For example I have, close by, two Ra rods and a Golden Light tube. They are 25 mm tubes cut to 150 mm and 385 mm. I made some coil forms for a sensitive in Alaska to aid his winding of Walter Russell's 33 degree coils.

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPbBE0OSkKt0h3JqfmUo4t2FITZX3cJQur7eLeeTK2f1RN0BWKQ3v-sgwiWiTtUTQ?key=am51NjRVeWRKVXo5MVJTYmJzSThRQnE4RjRjaWtR (https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPbBE0OSkKt0h3JqfmUo4t2FITZX3cJQur7eLeeTK2f1RN0BWKQ3v-sgwiWiTtUTQ?key=am51NjRVeWRKVXo5MVJTYmJzSThRQnE4RjRjaWtR)

I have read  some of Walter Russell's books and all of Wilbert Smith's work.

Obviously I have not found what I am looking for or I would be posting a unity or over unity device instead of seeking further answers.

The best I have been able to do so far is a COP 3 device, but it was not practical so didn't pursue it any further.

And while we are having a rational conversation --- what is the make of guitar in the video? Are you good? Do you have any youtube's? I would imagine your singing voice is right on.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on October 27, 2016, 06:34:35 PM


I am interested ,I read Grumages' pdf sounds similar maybe I'm wrong.
Not trying to offend anybody just trying to learn.
Your posts are quite cryptic though.

artv

Dear shylo.

For the record.

That was not my pdf, I think Ron put it together.

Ron thanked me for showing him where dear Erfinder had posted on a topic I started on OUR forum.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2750.0

Kind regards, Graham.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 27, 2016, 08:38:38 PM

Russell.....you should have thrown that name out earlier....  I have studied all available works....he did not leave us the solution....he did leave us with a superior way of looking at it when we do finally figure it out.


I'll send you a couple of links off list

Ron

EDIT: sorry guys, I didn't mean to make a secret out of this ... it is open source

https://youtu.be/_vO4HRXFQOw (https://youtu.be/_vO4HRXFQOw)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on October 28, 2016, 10:24:06 AM
Hi Graham, I was aware it wasn't your pdf, I just thanked you for linking it.
So thanks Ron.
I just read your thread at OUR, I missed that somehow.
"The disruptive discharge of a condenser" That is part of the key I think especially when there are several other components in play at the same time.
If you discharge a capacitor (into a motor coil) ,it simply drains, if one side is connected to an alternate bank and the other side to a second alternate bank , both of which are being charged by generating coils that are being powered to motor by the draining cap, the charge seems to reinforce itself.
In that thread I think it was Matt that suggested that when energized, a coil is like a bunch of like poles repelling within the coil itself, I think he's right.
That to me  means more than one way to collect from an coil whether motoring or generating.
Thanks for linking that thread ,just wish it was still going.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 28, 2016, 08:21:22 PM

... its (that which generated the wake) amplitude and frequency are recorded instantly in a coexisting substance ....

Is this what some would call the "back ground field"? 


Quote
"The future is reactive, and no, I am not talking about the crippled single frequency shit that we are buried in when ever anyone brings up the subject of resonance and reactive power.  I know now that the truth is right here, right now, we are just too fucking stupid to get it.

Did we see this incorporated in the videos of your motor/generators?

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 28, 2016, 09:52:38 PM
snip

Yes.


could the RPM and the number of magnets be considered one frequency?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 28, 2016, 10:24:55 PM
At the Sund there is a sound like the Syrene singasong,similar the Martin horn,it is in the sonic sphere.
Going up and down and also down and up :the under -and overtones,remark this from the middleline
it is called thermal voltage also thermal noise and is to be seen as thermal oscillations,frequency serching to become the resonance phase like a PC software virus.


We manipulate and becomes manipulated by ever the e-m-k-f-spectrum,hell and dark matter space
                               it is a Tele-(wifi)actuating multidimensional energy field
                                               "Dream design to reality field"
                                                    w-y-d(ream)-i-w-y-g

                                              air core or virtual "winding" core
( look -this related- for the T.A.S.E.R. shot concept http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Bloodsport (http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Bloodsport)
"  Tasertron " ).
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 29, 2016, 04:15:30 AM
@Erfinder

Regarding your video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWtcpdQ5h24&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWtcpdQ5h24&feature=youtu.be)
Nice demo. Using the transformers in the setup, as shown, looks familiar.  :)
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 29, 2016, 07:36:31 AM
I had one of those "whatever" moments so I used some ribbon cable to wind a coil.

I split a length of cable into a 2 wire strip and a 3 wire strip and wound them on a former like a capacitor.

I started with the 2 wire ribbon and then placed the 3 wire so that the middle wire of the 3 wire was in the middle of the 2 wire.  I also ran the 2 wire around one extra turn so that it was both on the bottom and the top.

9.5 inch former
12 wraps of 3
13 wraps of 2

When pulsing 20+ volts into the middle wire of the 3 wire cable the best I got out from all the others was about like 1.7V  I have not tried all combinations yet just a quick lets look and see.

This is air core.

Next I looked at the current when I had all the other wires in parallel and still stuffing the pulse in through the middle wire of the 3 wire ribbon,, 0.330A 18.8V,, not really caring about the voltage,, output was .089A straight into my meter.

Then I grabbed a ferrite E core from a transformer and placed a small part of the coil between the legs,, output went up to 0.094A,, grabbed a stack of metal E cores about the same thickness,, output went up to 0.102A,, grabbed a computer side cover and covered the one side of the entire core and then some,, output went down to 0.065A,, still want to try more things :)

Here is the coil and the side cover and E cores.


                                                                                  E I is not Egg-O-maniac  ::)
                                                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55GcSUT3RTI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55GcSUT3RTI)  ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 29, 2016, 06:16:55 PM



Mag amp experiments


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 29, 2016, 07:41:07 PM

Mag amp experiments

Ron


Erfinder,

Questions for the day...

Correct me if I am wrong but a "mag amp" is not an amplifier in the sense that it is capable of amplifying source, rather the "amplification" is merely the ratio of control voltage to output voltage? And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.

If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?

In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?

In your builds I "think" I see two different coils, maybe one perpendicular to the rotor and one horizontal?

Or is the mag amp principle active at the coil level?

Are you modulating the coils in some manner? Sort of heterodyne? with the transformer doing the demodulation?

Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 30, 2016, 06:41:32 AM
Erfinder,
Questions for the day...
Correct me if I am wrong but a "mag amp" is not an amplifier in the sense that it is capable of amplifying source, rather the "amplification" is merely the ratio of control voltage to output voltage? And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?
In your builds I "think" I see two different coils, maybe one perpendicular to the rotor and one horizontal?
Or is the mag amp principle active at the coil level?
Are you modulating the coils in some manner? Sort of heterodyne? with the transformer doing the demodulation?
Ron
All good questions Ron. I'd like to add a few more.
@Erfinder - The machines you've demonstrated so far appear to be radial rotor magnet / coil interface designs.?
Or at least, thats how they appear on camera.

Have you built any coaxial rotor (planar) magnet / coil interface designs and utilized the same principle of operation. ?
If so, how does the coaxial design performance compare with radial designs?
Is the principle on which your system works applicable to a wide range of coil design and placement?
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 30, 2016, 07:16:23 AM
snip...
And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
snip...
Ron
If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
I asked myself exactly the question you just did, then thought to myself, well, let's find out.
The positive result was rather unexpected.

If your memory, like mine, ain't what it used to be, here's a refresher link, the relevant pages are 12 to 14.
Transformer use begins on page 13..... http://adams.5gbfree.com (http://adams.5gbfree.com)

Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gotoluc on October 30, 2016, 03:17:53 PM


In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?


Ron



No


Erfinder


Are you using the transformers as a delay lines?


Luc
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 30, 2016, 05:02:44 PM

Only an authority is in the  position to correct you if you are wrong, I am no authority.  I cannot agree with what you say as my perspective is different from yours.  Where we can agree is your view is the one which has been handed down to us by industry.  They reveal to us time and time again that our best interest is not in their best interest.

Inductance is the variable being manipulated.  Resistance is still present, assuming it is present.  The text books inform us of what inductance is, in closed circuits but sheds no light as to what it is in open circuits. 

Define "motor/generator".  Your definition is not my definition.                                                                                                                               
The advantage can be comprehended only after you have acquired the necessary understanding of what  a motor/generator is.
 No. 
No.   
No. 
Yes. 
Yes. 
No.


erfinder your patience and reply's are reasonable and much appreciated!

Thanks

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 30, 2016, 05:23:20 PM
If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
I asked myself exactly the question you just did, then thought to myself, well, let's find out.
The positive result was rather unexpected.

If your memory, like mine, ain't what it used to be, here's a refresher link, the relevant pages are 12 to 14.
Transformer use begins on page 13..... http://adams.5gbfree.com (http://adams.5gbfree.com)

Cheers


My memory is just like the link says, "This web page is not available", LOL

Will try again later for the web page but my memory tends to favour events from 40 or 50 years ago with more clarity than last week or  5 years ago. All I remember from then is the developing of our friendship as a pleasant and rewarding time.

Good to see you on board here --- we can share notes again.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 30, 2016, 05:31:07 PM

Are you going to define what you mean by motor/generator?


A generator with motor coils to provide the rotation. The generator function from either separate coils or recovery from the motor coils.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 30, 2016, 05:48:17 PM

You have adopted the standard view....

Question.....

Does a motor generate?


Yes. Alexander seemed to think so but I was not able to decipher how

Ron


PS: sunny but cool (8C) just going to have coffee before we go for our Sunday walk... be back later

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 30, 2016, 08:58:10 PM

Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates.  Alexander, among others recognized this.   Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.

Enjoy your coffee, the weather, your walk, and the company.


Thank you, it was enjoyed, the weather cool and crisp--- more like a November day than a spring day, lol

speaking of heterodyne-ing, I am reminded of what armagdn 03 said:

"Consequently I also posted an interesting way to accomplish this many moons ago. The idea is to use two transmitters, eccentric to each other, to create a beat frequency between the two.The beat frequency will be orders of frequency different from the transmitters, and so will be far outside their bandwidth. (Meaning that the BEMF of the pick up will not really be seen by the transmitters, thus not affecting their Q and resonant rise.)The pick up should be tuned to the beat frequency. When the pick up is also biased with a magnet to give it a coherent magnetic field AND set its bias point, the beat frequency will scatter the domains during one portion of the cycle, and let them re-cohere the next portion of the cycle, hence the term Degaussing Generator"


I knew that the computer could read the CEMF but not ways to redirect it from the supply--- continue please

And a graph I should have studied closer.

Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 30, 2016, 09:07:15 PM
https://web.archive.org/web/20090922025637/http://www.georg-andresen.de/vollpol_synchron.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20090922025637/http://www.georg-andresen.de/vollpol_synchron.html)


Die Vollpoll-Synchronmaschine
.....

Wir hatten uns zuletzt mit der Frage beschäftigt, was passiert, wenn wir beim zugeschalteten Generator im Leerlauf den Erregerstrom erhöhen. Das Ergebnis ist nach Glchng.(2) ein Strom I(1) > 0. Bild 8 a) zeigt die Auswirkung: Die SpannungskomponentejX*(1)*I(1) liegt in Richtung der Netzspannung U jedoch aufgrund der Vorzeichens entgegengesetzt. Der resultierende Strom I(1) eilt der Spannungskomponente jX*(1)*I(1) um 90° nach. Gegenüber der Netzspannung U eilt der Strom I(1) um 90° vor .Das bedeutet: Die Maschine wirkt in diesem Fall als Kondensator.Bild 8b) zeigt die Auswirkung , wenn bei Leerlaufbetrieb die Polradspannung verkleinert wird: U(p) < U Bei gleichgerichteten Spannungskomponenten U und jX*(1)*I(1) eilt der Strom I(1) auch der Spannung U um 90°nach.Die Maschine arbeitet als Induktivität.
Dieses Verhalten (Phasenschieber) wird gelegentlich ausgenutzt, um mit reinen Blindleistungen die Stromnetzsituationen zu verbessern, indem z.B. die sehr oft induktiven Stromverbraucher kompensiert werden. (Verbesserung des cos j- Wertes)


for no-german-analphabets:
 We had finally dealt with the question of what would happen if we increased the exciter current when the generator was connected at idle. The result is, according to equation (2), a current I (1)> 0. Figure 8 a) shows the effect: however, the voltage component jX * (1) * I (1) is opposite in the direction of the mains voltage U due to the sign. The resulting current I (1) follows the voltage component jX * (1) * I (1) by 90 °. In contrast to the mains voltage, the current I (1) is 90 °. This means that the machine acts as a capacitor in this case. Figure 8b) shows the effect when the rotor voltage is reduced during idle operation: U (p) <U In Rectified voltage components U and jX * (1) * I (1), the current I (1) also follows the voltage U by 90 °. The machine operates as an inductance.
This behavior (phase shifter) is occasionally exploited to improve the power conditions with pure reactive power, e.g. The very often inductive power consumers are compensated. (Improvement of the cos j value)

in search for:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace)
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplacescher_Dämon  and not the Maxwellian one
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on October 30, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
My memory is just like the link says, "This web page is not available", LOL
snip....


Strange.... link works for me. LOL. Perhaps I'm in the twilight zone.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 31, 2016, 12:35:09 AM

Strange.... link works for me. LOL. Perhaps I'm in the twilight zone.


Nope, not working yet with either Chrome or Firefox.

Would you like to run it here or off list?

I am, ronee "at" telus.net

Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on October 31, 2016, 08:26:15 AM
wifi intercommunication :
http://rexresearch.com/maiche/maiche.html (http://rexresearch.com/maiche/maiche.html)


intercommunication between fixed/distance variabel capacitive plates ?



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM

I knew that the computer could read the CEMF but not ways to redirect it from the supply--- continue please

And a graph I should have studied closer.

Ron


erfinder,

figure 32 in the previous post--- I tend to think of a magamp as having an input, an output and a control voltage. Are you using magnets to set the amp to the linear level or a bucking coil?

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 31, 2016, 06:44:53 PM

For the last time....I do not have a magamp, the similarity my concept may have to a magamp is irrelevant.  Among other things, the reactive network functions as an impedance mismatch.  What you think you know needs to be placed on the side....it will not aid you in understanding what I am suggesting.


Not really a problem, more that of, what is the word I want when you call something by different names? as in a 2015-02- post you said...


quote: I know this because all of my machines are built around the concept of controlled saturation, my machines are Magnetic Amplifiers.

so you must pardon my connectivity jump between controlled saturation and magamps.

Ron




Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 31, 2016, 07:21:06 PM

Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates.  Alexander, among others recognized this.   Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.


I notice on re-reading your old posts that my description of a motor/generator matches your description very closely. What was the difference you were trying to make?

Quote
I am also dusting my insanely large 12 coil pulse motor and making a few modifications on it so that it to will produce this effect, using 2x of its trifilars as motor coils, and the rest as gen coils which will supply a huge transformer based reactor which amplifies the effect.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on October 31, 2016, 08:52:07 PM

Your description is nowhere near what I am suggesting!  You separate the two, just like you are taught to....I do not.....let that sink in.  A motor is a generator!  Comprehend that sir, then approach me, otherwise, you are wasting both of our time.


A catch-22 is a  paradoxial situation from which an individual cannot escape because of contradictory rules. An example would be:
  "How am I supposed to gain experience [to be hired for a job] if I'm constantly turned down for not having any?
Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on October 31, 2016, 11:04:32 PM
whether they are motoring or generating all coils are pumps.
when they pump ,they create opposite waves (magnetic fields).
the opposite fields create waves, which are opposite again the same as the first but at a different time.
when is the best time to induce a coil that is generating , I do it when the coil has produced its' max output
just when Lenz is about to cause drag.
Re-route the generated output to induce motoring.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 31, 2016, 11:26:37 PM
Wow

Never seen so much rocket science being used that dosnt result in liftoff.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on October 31, 2016, 11:39:18 PM
Motor Generator,,  Really?

,,.

They are a transfer pump\conversion pump.

My interpretation has always been that Erfinder makes pumps.

Quote
One is called a Motor when it is taking a higher potential and reducing it by some means

No

Quote
One is called a Generator when it is taking a lower potential and increasing it by some means

No

Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.

An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.
An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.
The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.


Brad

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 01, 2016, 12:53:19 AM
@tinman
Quote
Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.


In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.
Quote
An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.[/size]An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.


In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 01, 2016, 02:40:56 AM
Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 01, 2016, 09:48:15 AM
Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.


25 : 75 dis-/agreement ;
 
50 : 50  a. energy as mass : hyper time-/space- beam ?
25 : 75  b. energy as free mass becomes assimilated


mind decision included :  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=3&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150908&CC=DE&NR=202015005368U1&KC=U1
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 11:07:02 AM
@tinman

In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.

In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC

You contradict your self AC

Quote: There is no true transformation
Quote: and the kind of motion has changed

To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.

I stand by what i say.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 11:39:52 AM
Interesting view, however, I am not wrong as you stated.

Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man in an attempt to compare all things including those that are not the same,, so indeed you can not create or destroy that that is not real.

Now if you care to read where I said "by some means",, I suppose that is rather vague, maybe to simple,, and maybe the visualization of a pump being the IO of an internal system with something external is to simple, but that is how it works.

Just think of how complicated it would get if I were to replace "by some means" with the exact method for all possible conditions, just so it would be exact.

I guess you are not agreeing that when the pump is pumping it is adding\subtracting its input\output energy to\from the potential.

As i stated,any and all energy transformations happen at an equal,where the sum of the energy transformed into what !we! know as another form,will always result in no losses,and all accounted for energy will equal that which created it-->with the exception of only one. ;)

Quote
Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man


That is incorrect.
The entity that we have named !energy! has always existed-the atom has always been,where man is still very young.We have only just begun to try and work out !energy!,and like all things,we gave this entity (energy) a name-like we do with everything,so as we know what we are discussing or talking about. Only the name is man made,and the name given to this entity is energy,and so, energy is real.

Why add unnecessary confusion by saying !energy! is not real ?--your starting to sound like AC :D.
It is funny when you think about it---energy was required to move your fingers across the keyboard to type-energy is not real  ;D

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 11:45:12 AM

Energy is transferred between storage mechanism in motors and generators.....energy is not being transformed.  Motors and generators are not transformers, they are devices which facilitate the processing of magneto-dielectric potentialities.

Really

Then i challenge you to take a liter of gasoline,and 1000 cubic meters of air,and make a 100 watt light bulb light for 10 minutes-->without any sort of transformation of the stored energy within the gasoline.

When you have done this,then you may come back and say there was no transformation of energy.

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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.

Transform-make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of
Change (a mathematical entity) by transformation
A process by which one figure, expression, or function is converted into another one of similar value.
Convert-change the form, character, or function of something.
Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on November 01, 2016, 12:05:35 PM
If you really want to see what's going on with energy then I think you need to investigate IF the input energy to the motor, generator or even transformer is really consumed or maybe is dissipated into environment ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 12:42:52 PM

Fascinating watching you struggle with the concept.  Fascinating watching you grab at straws, resorting to change the channel rather than face the reality that you still have yet to perceive.  You have indicated that you hold to what you stated....Do that and stagnate, it's your business.  I make it my business to see what is and has been right in front of us the entire time, namely, that "energy" a poorly defined term, is a placeholder for something whose quality cannot be quantified.  It is an expression of pure ignorance on our part as we associate quantity on the unqualifiable..... 


Your inability to consider things from this perspective literally stops you from comprehending that it is through charging and discharging the storage mechanism that work is done.  Here you will find Nature standing ready to slam the door in your face yet again, as the term work as it is  used here has nothing to do with what you think it does.  Only one form of work is ever done, find it, and we will be on the same page.  I have very little faith in your ability to find it...

I asked only one thing from you--show the stored energy within the gasoline lighting an electrical light bulb-without transforming the stored energy(chemical energy) within the gasoline,into electrical energy-but as always,you will fail to do so-you will fail to show chemical energy running that light bulb,without transforming that chemical energy into electromagnetic energy.

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I have very little faith in your ability to find it

Odd coming from some one that has shown nothing to date on this thread.
Lots of words,but nothing to show,and nothing has been learnt from those here from you,even after pages of talk.

You are as you have always been--a talker of nothingness.

Another 20 pages will go on,and those here will still have learnt nothing from you.

As one of your adversaries once said-every action has an equal and opposite reaction-->and a counter reaction.
Once you understand this,you(and maybe even your fellow army members)will stop making bathroom heater's,and move onto something that will result in the desired effect.

You seem to think you know far more than others here(including myself),but yet you steer clear of any challenge presented to you.
So i offer up another challenge--a chance for you to see what i have been up to.

The challenge is very simple,and very cheap to produce.
Using only copper,bismuth,steel(as a core material),a permanent magnet,and small solar panel,you are to get a small LED to light,while the solar panel is void/shielded of any light(in complete darkness).The LED is to remain lit for an ongoing amount of time(remains lit until disconnected from the circuit). You may also use a small boost converter to step up the voltage to drive the LED if need be.

The LED,boost converter,and solar panel can be had from a $2.00 garden light,and im sure you could come up with a small copper sheet,bismuth sheet,and steel laminated core.

No batteries are to be used,light is not to be used to provide energy by way of the solar panel.
The only energy source that can be used,is the permanent magnet  ;).

So lets see how much you do know about energy and magnetic fields.

I do however feel that this is far beyond your pay grade,and the challenge will once again not be answered. In stead,we will continue to see pages of words from you,that helps no one here--as has been the case so far.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 02:06:12 PM

This from a guy who knows absolutely nothing at all, a wannabe who continues to lead his following on wild goose chase, after wild goose chase, a guy who has a packed video library of his greatest failures on the road to nowhere.  I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges.  Do something useful, show your following how smart you are, what I showed em.

What did you show them?
What have they learned from you?
How many here,after countless pages of post,know what you are talking about?

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I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges

My challenges are dead on subject--a lenz free generator.
It is also based around what you deem to know so well--the electric and magnetic fields interactions.

By the way,you spelt interested wrong.
Spell check perhaps ?  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 01, 2016, 03:35:36 PM
Energy is a yardstick,, think about what it is describing.

To have energy you must have a gradient of some kind, you must also have something that can interact with that gradient and that item must be able to have caused a change by moving through that gradient.

:)   

This points out that Energy is a specific observation.

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A large bucket (large enough to hold the air and gasoline) on a long string with a long ways to drop,, no chemical transformation needed.

And how dose this provide the electrical energy required to light the light?.
Are you suggesting that the falling/dropping bucket holding the fuel ,will turn a generator that provides the required electrical energy to light the light?
If that is the case,then you are now transforming gravitational energy into electrical energy.
You would also then have to explain as to how the bucket was lifted to the dropping height?
Was it mechanical energy that was used to raise the bucket?
Once the bucket reached it's desired height,and came to rest,it then became potential energy.

The list go's on,there must be a transformation of energy-a conversion,a change,to achieve the desired effect/desired energy--no mater how you try to do it.

Even the humble solar panel is a transformer.
It transforms kinetic energy into electrical energy  ;)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 01, 2016, 04:44:13 PM


What did you show them?
What have they learned from you?
How many here,after countless pages of post,know what you are talking about?

Brad


All too true Brad. When they kicked him out of David B's list I felt that wasn't right, so when I got kicked out also I followed him here.

But from the middle of August 'till now I have learned absolutely nothing. It is rather strange that the three he most disparages have the most edifying forums, you, Chris and Luc have shared your experiments, learning experiences good and bad most beautifully. I got more from Luc's "sharing Ideas on How to Make a More Efficient Motor" in one evening, than in all my time here.

So a real catch 22, I know nothing about what he is saying ---because he has told me nothing. Ah, but the caveat is he has told me nothing because I am too stupid to know what he is talking about.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 01, 2016, 07:30:20 PM
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6401686.html (http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6401686.html)
Melvin Prueitt ( R.I.P.) M.E.C.H.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ybGbdMgk0k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ybGbdMgk0k)

http://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/design-engineering-features/technology/new-machine-pumps-fluids-efficiently/8473/ (http://www.eurekamagazine.co.uk/design-engineering-features/technology/new-machine-pumps-fluids-efficiently/8473/)
Ron(ald)Driver M.E.C.H.
http://www.eats.ltd.uk (http://www.eats.ltd.uk)

M.otor E.ngine C.ompressor H.ydraulik : one device with much application flexibility ,                                                                              conversion/transforming


electricity : electrons gas / ions gas /plasma     a.hot b.cold




(mental  ;) ) desert greening :
http://contest.techbriefs.com/2010/entries/sustainable-technologies/527 (http://contest.techbriefs.com/2010/entries/sustainable-technologies/527)
 http://contest.techbriefs.com/2016/entries/automotive-transportation/7245#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=5818e29f8db7884e&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1 (http://contest.techbriefs.com/2016/entries/automotive-transportation/7245#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=5818e29f8db7884e&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1)
http://contest.techbriefs.com/2011/entries/sustainable-technologies/1450#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=5818e32c543a3db6&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1 (http://contest.techbriefs.com/2011/entries/sustainable-technologies/1450#at_pco=smlwn-1.0&at_si=5818e32c543a3db6&at_ab=per-2&at_pos=0&at_tot=1)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 01, 2016, 11:12:41 PM


 Those are for you to figure out on your own, if and when you ever do, we have something of monumental significance to discuss.  I got here on my own, no help.  I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.


What goes around comes around. Garry Stanley had the same problem, he used to say of Norman and myself, you two just don't get it!

Now how many running, working Garry Stanley machines are there in the world today? Just a guess but I would think about the same number as erfinder replications!!!. The same thing with Matt and Dave, big talk but no sharing as they don't have anything that works. Both vehemently promised me they would never ever share anything with me--- ever! So you do have company in your misery.

But thank God for the wonderful, caring, sharing people I have met in this game, I consider them my best friends. It has been very educational, and not always just in electronics.


Ron


Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 01, 2016, 11:38:44 PM


 I got here on my own, no help.  I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.


You do have a sense of humour. Expecting me to follow the same path and put in the same effort when there is absolutely no indication of that path, or which direction the effort should be applied, so that we can meet eye to eye is akin to the old how long would it take 100 monkeys with type writers to write the bible? 

You have my email and Skype handle so when you are ready to share and support my progress just give me a call, OK?
I know you would like to get this out, but an open forum doesn't seem to be working.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 02, 2016, 12:38:38 AM

Either you show them what I showed them, or plug your hole.

As i asked before--you showed them what ?.

All that has been seen from you so far,are a couple of video's full of nothingness,and pages and pages of the same.

Here is a fact.
At this very moment,there are those here that are in the middle of building !my! L.A.G.
These are the very same people that you just claimed i would not show my work to--and yet they are building it right now.

Your problem is,because you cant see it,you do not think it is happening--but feel free to ask Ron or Luc if what i say is true  ;)
Accurate and complete build instructions have been given-right down to the complete circuit--where are such from you?  ::)

Show us !your! lenz free generator,as we should stay on topic--!!right!! ?.
And not those big bathroom heaters you have shown so far,like Jim !tha man! Murray's mess.

Prediction--- As has always been the case with you,you will show nothing even remotely resembling 
the topic name--as you are easy to predict  ;)

As i stated early on in this thread,you will share nothing but constant dribble,and as all army members do,you will run from any challenge presented to you,and reject any sort of measurement protocols-->but there will always be those books of secrets  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 02, 2016, 04:40:23 AM
@tinman
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You contradict your self AC[/size]Quote: There is no true transformation[/size]Quote: and the kind of motion has changed[/size]To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.I stand by what i say.


It may be that we are both correct.
By definition if I do not see it as truly changing in form or appearance then it has not transformed for me likewise if you see it as transforming then it has changed for you.


Personally I like to make simple mechanical analogies like Tesla did to take some of the mystery out of all this. To reduce the unknowns to something we can wrap our mind around which makes sense to us on some level.


In effect we could imagine a cloud of moving particles as a current with it's internal fields causing an external field to act on another external field...a transfer of force. This force would then cause the mass of charges which make up the rotor to move or rotate. In essense the motion of one group of charges as a current have caused another group of charges as a mass to move through a transfer of energy.


Which begs the question... are there other means to move some charges in some way which could move the charges which constitute a mass more efficiently?. You see it opens up new perspectives concerning what we want and how we could get it versus the same old grind.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 02, 2016, 05:41:42 AM
@tinman
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Then i challenge you to take a liter of gasoline,and 1000 cubic meters of air,and make a 100 watt light bulb light for 10 minutes-->without any sort of transformation of the stored energy within the gasoline.[/size]When you have done this,then you may come back and say there was no transformation of energy.


An interesting question.


We know gasoline, a hydrocarbon, will interact with oxygen in air when ignited reducing to carbon dioxide.
Gasoline and air are both made of atoms, the atoms made of charged particles, Proton, Neutron, electron.
When the hydrogen interacts with oxygen the charged particles start oscillating rapidly which we call heat.
This rapid motion of the charges we call heat causes expansion in an engine causing a generator to turn which moves charges in a conductor.
The moving charges as a current excites the material in the filament of bulb causing the atoms or charges to oscillate as well.
This rapid oscillation of the charges in the filament emits electromagnetic energy within the EM spectrum of visible light.


Thus we can say the energy transferred to the system due to the motion of the excited charges in the gasoline/air mixture is not unlike the excited charges in the filament which caused EM energy to radiate as light. At every point in the system we have atoms/charges transferring electromagnetic energy to each other and moving it through the system and only the type of motion of the charges has changed.


After all, we know everything in the universe is made of charged particles and electromagnetic fields and we also know energy and matter are conserved. In fact we could discard all the terms such as molecules, compounds, chemistry, heat, electricity etc... and simply describe what something is and how it acts by describing the geometric relationship of the charges(particle/fields) and the kinds of motion involved.


For instance the hydrogen in gasoline and the oxygen in air do not transform or burn... that is absurd. Obviously both are made of charged particles and EM fields and to suggest charged particles somehow transform or burn is ridiculous. The charged particles EM fields interact causing excitation as very rapid oscillations which is a range of motion we mistakenly call heat.


In any case it seems kind of ridiculous to be using all these terms which never actually describe anything and never tell us exactly what is happening on the most important level. How can anyone ever expect to learn anything of value by using meaningless non-descriptive terms?.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on November 02, 2016, 07:20:20 AM
snip...
That which has been demonstrated is restricted to very specific geometric relations, and other factors which none express an interest in.
Regarding specific geometric relations, are you referring to the PHYSICAL geometric relationship between:
a) The magnets and the coil /s ?
b) The coil /s with respect to each other ?
c) Both of the above ?
d) None of the above ?

If none of the above, then what specific geometric relationship is being referred to ?

Regarding other factors, if the other factors are not expressed, there is no reason for others to assume they exist and take any interest in them.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 02, 2016, 09:24:22 AM
Look deeper, assuming you look deep enough, one can expect the unexpected. [/size]
Hmmm ::) ,reading the "rules of the game" lol and hold these rules in secret ? intimities sphere  :-[  ! Mother nature  :-* ;)


                          honey que se mal y pense ....        summ,summ ,summ, Bienchen summt herum ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 02, 2016, 10:45:18 AM
@tinman

An interesting question.


We know gasoline, a hydrocarbon, will interact with oxygen in air when ignited reducing to carbon dioxide.
Gasoline and air are both made of atoms, the atoms made of charged particles, Proton, Neutron, electron.
When the hydrogen interacts with oxygen the charged particles start oscillating rapidly which we call heat.
This rapid motion of the charges we call heat causes expansion in an engine causing a generator to turn which moves charges in a conductor.
The moving charges as a current excites the material in the filament of bulb causing the atoms or charges to oscillate as well.
This rapid oscillation of the charges in the filament emits electromagnetic energy within the EM spectrum of visible light.


Thus we can say the energy transferred to the system due to the motion of the excited charges in the gasoline/air mixture is not unlike the excited charges in the filament which caused EM energy to radiate as light. At every point in the system we have atoms/charges transferring electromagnetic energy to each other and moving it through the system and only the type of motion of the charges has changed.


After all, we know everything in the universe is made of charged particles and electromagnetic fields and we also know energy and matter are conserved. In fact we could discard all the terms such as molecules, compounds, chemistry, heat, electricity etc... and simply describe what something is and how it acts by describing the geometric relationship of the charges(particle/fields) and the kinds of motion involved.


For instance the hydrogen in gasoline and the oxygen in air do not transform or burn... that is absurd. Obviously both are made of charged particles and EM fields and to suggest charged particles somehow transform or burn is ridiculous. The charged particles EM fields interact causing excitation as very rapid oscillations which is a range of motion we mistakenly call heat.


In any case it seems kind of ridiculous to be using all these terms which never actually describe anything and never tell us exactly what is happening on the most important level. How can anyone ever expect to learn anything of value by using meaningless non-descriptive terms?.


AC

Lets take the highlighted,and look at that a bit closer--water as fuel.

Water is 2 parts hydrogen,and one part oxygen--but it will not burn in the combined liquid state.
What must happen before that water becomes fuel ?--yes,we must transform that liquid into two gases. When these two gases are ignited,it transforms back to it's original liquid state.
A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 02, 2016, 11:28:06 AM
                                A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


                               a.  bond force,bond energy
                               b.  fission force,fission energy
                               
                                                 (a=b) : ? 


                            https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1)


[Dolby(TM)]  surround photo(n) and phono(n) oscillation force-energy with electricity conversion (conversion: by enrichment or pooring)


                     "Big Bang" and "Ur-Soap" kitchen recipe,


                       physics defines the Nano-sub-atomar-chemistry process
                       included the homeopathical essence substance pooring(some kind of cracking)


                      from pathsearch to pathfind : positive or negative potenzieren also called dynamisieren
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions)
                                        Potency scales


                      homeopathic synfuels :
                      https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830330&CC=ZA&NR=8203054B&KC=B (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830330&CC=ZA&NR=8203054B&KC=B)


citation: "Hence, one can say the REACTOR TO TRANSMUTE THE MATTER is an apparatus to produce calories For example, if 2,000 cal (two thousand kilo/calories) is introduced in the REACTOR it will be possible to multiply these calories by 100 (a hundred), 1,000 (a thousand) and even 100,000 (a hundred thousand) according to what it is chosen to be used. The only condition to have a progressive multi^plication of the calories without problems is to provide a cooling apparatus like the one used in combustion engines during operation. "                           citation end
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 02, 2016, 06:25:17 PM
@tinman
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Lets take the highlighted,and look at that a bit closer--water as fuel.[/size]Water is 2 parts hydrogen,and one part oxygen--but it will not burn in the combined liquid state.What must happen before that water becomes fuel ?--yes,we must transform that liquid into two gases. When these two gases are ignited,it transforms back to it's original liquid state.A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


An interesting observation.


We could also say water or H2O is simply two hydrogen atoms(particles and fields) bound to one oxygen atom(particles and fields) though their electro-magnetic fields.


To cause liquid H2O to become separate components such as H2 and O2 gasses we add energy which simply increases the space between the groups of charged particles we call atoms. For example if I had two red balls(H2) and one white ball(O) and added energy which forced the red and white balls apart by a distance should I say the balls have transformed?. Well no they have not transformed they have simply moved further apart.


Thus a transform is dependent on the level at which we visualize something and for you it has changed or transformed and from my perspective it has not really changed. In effect you are trying to argue what you think I should see rather than trying to understand what I see. You are simply looking at the general bulk appearance of something while I am looking at all the parts which make up that something. Which begs the question... what do you hope to gain from viewing everything based on how it appears to you rather than what it is in reality?.


Obviously your not getting this so let's try another example. Fundamentally we know the H and O atoms are groups of charged particles bound by fields we call atoms. Normally we add energy to H2O in the form of a current and the constant electric field of this current produces a brute force which separates the H and O atoms by a distance. We now say the H and O atoms separated by a distance have become gasses. This is one way to separate H2O into H and O atoms however it is a very inefficient way when we consider the reality of what we are doing.


Do you know of any other way?... probably not because you are viewing the problem on completely the wrong level. Fundamentally there are two ways to tear matter(charged particles and fields) apart. 1) we apply a large constant brute force externally or 2) we apply a small intermittent force causing the particle/fields to oscillate in themselves and tear itself apart internally. Not unlike charged capacitor plates we can 1) pull them apart with a constant brute force against the internal forces or 2) cause each plate to oscillate in itself and in turn oscillate with the other plate to such an extent that they fly apart. One is just plain stupid while the other uses a little understanding and a little finesse to accomplish the same result in a more efficient way.


As you say... this is not rocket science. In effect you are always trying to throw hundreds of hand grenades at the exterior of a tank in hopes of breaking it apart. While I understand it would be much easier to simply throw one hand grenade inside and use the tanks own external strength against itself which is it's true weakness. These are common themes relating to how nature actually works beyond the scope of all those superficial things we think we see which were never actually true. Appearances can be deceiving and I seldom trust them as a matter of principal.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 02, 2016, 09:43:42 PM
balancing magnetic fields is all it is.
throw them off balance and you get a reaction, it can be in your favor or work against you.
that's all Lenz is.
throw it off balance and it works for your goal , instead of against it.
it still takes work to throw it off balance.
the accepted way to build a motor or generator is wrong, it uses more work than you need.
the cogging or Lenz, use that , it is a nice strong force that is a bi-product of motoring and generating
figure out when it manifests' and switch it off or re-direct it.
Nothing will ever work if you keep following the generalized method of motors or generators.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 03, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
balancing magnetic fields is all it is.
throw them off balance and you get a reaction, it can be in your favor or work against you.
that's all Lenz is.
throw it off balance and it works for your goal , instead of against it.
it still takes work to throw it off balance.
the accepted way to build a motor or generator is wrong, it uses more work than you need.
the cogging or Lenz, use that , it is a nice strong force that is a bi-product of motoring and generating
figure out when it manifests' and switch it off or re-direct it.
Nothing will ever work if you keep following the generalized method of motors or generators.
artv


Good advice --- can you tell us more on how you do this?


Thanks


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 03, 2016, 12:40:26 AM
@tinman

An interesting observation.


We could also say water or H2O is simply two hydrogen atoms(particles and fields) bound to one oxygen atom(particles and fields) though their electro-magnetic fields.


To cause liquid H2O to become separate components such as H2 and O2 gasses we add energy which simply increases the space between the groups of charged particles we call atoms. For example if I had two red balls(H2) and one white ball(O) and added energy which forced the red and white balls apart by a distance should I say the balls have transformed?. Well no they have not transformed they have simply moved further apart.


Thus a transform is dependent on the level at which we visualize something and for you it has changed or transformed and from my perspective it has not really changed. In effect you are trying to argue what you think I should see rather than trying to understand what I see. You are simply looking at the general bulk appearance of something while I am looking at all the parts which make up that something. Which begs the question... what do you hope to gain from viewing everything based on how it appears to you rather than what it is in reality?.


Obviously your not getting this so let's try another example. Fundamentally we know the H and O atoms are groups of charged particles bound by fields we call atoms. Normally we add energy to H2O in the form of a current and the constant electric field of this current produces a brute force which separates the H and O atoms by a distance. We now say the H and O atoms separated by a distance have become gasses. This is one way to separate H2O into H and O atoms however it is a very inefficient way when we consider the reality of what we are doing.


Do you know of any other way?... probably not because you are viewing the problem on completely the wrong level. Fundamentally there are two ways to tear matter(charged particles and fields) apart. 1) we apply a large constant brute force externally or 2) we apply a small intermittent force causing the particle/fields to oscillate in themselves and tear itself apart internally. Not unlike charged capacitor plates we can 1) pull them apart with a constant brute force against the internal forces or 2) cause each plate to oscillate in itself and in turn oscillate with the other plate to such an extent that they fly apart. One is just plain stupid while the other uses a little understanding and a little finesse to accomplish the same result in a more efficient way.


As you say... this is not rocket science. In effect you are always trying to throw hundreds of hand grenades at the exterior of a tank in hopes of breaking it apart. While I understand it would be much easier to simply throw one hand grenade inside and use the tanks own external strength against itself which is it's true weakness. These are common themes relating to how nature actually works beyond the scope of all those superficial things we think we see which were never actually true. Appearances can be deceiving and I seldom trust them as a matter of principal.


AC

I ask you this one very simple and well defined question AC
Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  ;)
What takes place when matter of one state !changes! into another state ?.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 03, 2016, 02:29:03 AM
@tinman
Quote
I ask you this one very simple and well defined question AC[/size]Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  What takes place when matter of one state !changes! into another state ?.


The three states of mater?...do you mean a toe-mater?. Solid, liquid and Salsa.


In any case now your asking me to parrot a standard answer... I don't speak parrot.
There is one state of matter, the particle and three fields associated with particles. Everything else relates to geometry, density, motion and field relationships.  That is my answer.


AC



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: hoptoad on November 03, 2016, 04:12:27 AM
snip..
Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  ;)
snip..
The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
99% of the visible universe exists in a plasma state, exhibiting characteristics and behaviours unlike those of neutral gases, fluids or solids.
Ironically, plasma is often referred to as the fourth state of matter, yet its sheer abundance and dominance in the universe should rank it as the first state of matter.
Cheers
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 03, 2016, 05:30:16 AM
The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
99% of the visible universe exists in a plasma state, exhibiting characteristics and behaviours unlike those of neutral gases, fluids or solids.
Ironically, plasma is often referred to as the fourth state of matter, yet its sheer abundance and dominance in the universe should rank it as the first state of matter.
Cheers




"The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?..."

The three states of matter : Gas( included cold plasma),liquid,solid !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 03, 2016, 05:30:48 AM
I wouldn't go first for water dissociation while I couldn't explain why the oxygen atom - an ion (the same  goes for hydrogen) which has an electrostatic polarity would combine with another oxygen ion. Alike ions would repel, let alone to combine to form O2. School teachings…

I would  go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf

Is that frequency a constant as in “light speed constant” or "water boiling temperature constant”?

Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 03, 2016, 05:40:21 AM
I wouldn't go first for water dissociation while I couldn't explain why the oxygen atom - an ion (the same  goes for hydrogen) which has an electrostatic polarity would combine with another oxygen ion. Alike ions would repel, let alone to combine to form O2. School teachings…

I would  go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf (http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf)

Is that frequency a constant as in “light speed constant” or "water boiling temperature constant”?

Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.


"water boiling temperature constant” defined parameter=constant  undefined parameter = pressure (Pascal/bar/atue)?

One of the arguments why the withdrawing of perpetuum mobile devices by the french "academy of sciences" has been a subjective decision,not fundamental safed by scientifical facts :
a water as refrigerant based thermodynamic (vacuum) engine in an altitude like the Pic of the Montblanc (4800 + X metre) or Mount Everest (8900 + X metre) 
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomchemie.de%2Fdestillieren.htm&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomchemie.de%2Fdestillieren.htm&edit-text=)


http://www.tomchemie.de/Bilder%20Trennungsmethoden/Siedepunkt1.jpg (http://www.tomchemie.de/Bilder%20Trennungsmethoden/Siedepunkt1.jpg)






C.O.P.: ? https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A)
In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual power consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil power consumption.

C.O.P.: ? http://www.rexresearch.com/maccanti/maccanti.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/maccanti/maccanti.htm)
Test results have shown that a very high shaft horsepower (e.g. 20kW), with an idle speed about 3,000 rpm (revolutions per minute), is obtained by absorbing a negligible power from the electric generator 396 (e.g. 0,07A per 12V, that is 0,84W).
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2016, 08:35:00 AM


Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.

There is capacitance within the coil between windings. So all coils, bifi or normal winding, are LC circuits.  You can see it on a scope across an inductor with power applied to the coil then releasing the input. There is not only a spike, but if there is nowhere for the spike to go, you will see the oscillation. It is more pronounced and lower resonant freq if it is bifi winding due to more capacitance to hold charge before the input is taken away.   That has me thinking....

One issue is when we disconnect power from the coil, some or say most of what was stored can escape through spark of the switch, diode to suppress, resistive load, all will dampen the coils oscillation. And its probably hard to get a mechanical switch to open fast enough to beat the collapsing field to avoid sparks across the gap.
But, if say we had a bifi coil that has a lot of capacitance, and when we release the input, the collapse time should be slower due to lower coil resonant freq, of which would hopefully help delay sparking while switch is opening. If it is possible, when you release the input from this coil, if there is no spark loss, the oscillations should be much better than normal circumstances where the collapse is just dampened hard buy say rectifying to a cap and such.  dunno on this part yet. Just thinking

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2016, 09:01:33 AM

You refer to the parasitic capacity....capacity which owes its existence to proximity between turns.  This is not the true capacity of the coil.

Just the capacitance value. In a bifi the total capacitance is much greater than a single wire coil. So the resonant freq of the coil itself will be much lower than the single wire coil, of the same dimensions and such.

Along with the inductors inductance storage, the larger capacitance adds to the coils total storage. No?

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 03, 2016, 09:25:56 AM
capacitance ~ compressed lightning/charge cluster         liquid(f.e. gasoline) /solid (f.e. a match )/gas(f.e. plasmatorch)
                       expanded:   lx/lm
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 03, 2016, 09:38:14 AM

You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity. 


What is capacity?  Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns.  I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....


Regards

I get that the capacitance of a coil, normal or bifi can be seen as a much more complicated thing than just the interaction between 2 adjacent turns. You can pulse the coil and scope it and find the resonant freq and calculate the actual capacitance in action. Otherwise it might be tough figuring a single winding coil otherwise.
Bifi has the unusual voltage differences between adjacent turns and beyond, vs a normal coil.

But I think I described what he wanted to know in my first post above.

Mags

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Jeg on November 03, 2016, 10:21:48 AM
An interesting use of the term capacity can also be seen at Daniel's mac Farland Cook patent.

... the action then in either the simple or compound helices increases in quantity to the maximum capacity of the wires to conduct with the existing tension of the current....

https://www.google.com/patents/US119825#v=onepage&q&f=false
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 03, 2016, 04:11:34 PM

You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity. 

What is capacity?  Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns.  I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....

Regards


Just by itself an isolated wire has self capacitance  C = q/V

In a coil this becomes "mutual capacitance"

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Grumage on November 03, 2016, 04:49:51 PM

I am not intersted in parasitic capacity, self capacity, nor mutual capacitance.....  That should narrow it down a bit...

The storage capability? Like volume for instance?

Kind regards, Graham.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 03, 2016, 06:42:20 PM

Is this the limit of what you know?


Always a put down, is that all you have mastered?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 03, 2016, 07:31:34 PM
 The universal glue ? The Welt-/Universalgeist also called Daemon ? (Maxwell and Laplace)
 The "Eigen-" Sphere: -Spin ,....


 Capacitance can be something physical but also something physiscal-spiritual(mysterium) !


               Information can ever be in the kind of capacitance. Teleology
                    https://www.britannica.com/topic/teleological-ethics

( Tesla wrote at last about his/the "Marsians"-relationship .)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 03, 2016, 08:44:30 PM

You put yourself down....to answer your question though, I have mastered what I want.  Putting you down isn't on my list of things that I want to accomplish with my life, but you can think that that's my motivation for coming here if it makes you feel better about not having mastered what you want.


LOL, I love it  8)   you are a master!

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 03, 2016, 10:52:51 PM
I knew of dielectric materials,, but not of a field.

That is a surprise and if you want to catch up, I would point you to a well known researcher to familiarize with the issue.
https://borderlandsciences.org/journal/vol/46/n02/Dollard_on_Dielectricity_Capacitance.html

As Eric uses math in his presentations, I would recommend not to get overwhelmed and rather try to visualize the fields and their interactions. Hence the link above.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 03, 2016, 11:02:53 PM
Hi Erfinder
 " The systems we build and screw around with are based on energy storage mechanisms.  There is no limit to the amount of energy that can be stored and transferred, there are limits to how we store and transfer.  The system is considered saturated (a desired condition) when the two systems are equal."
I agree.

"This condition has never been established by anyone as far as I know."
Are you sure?
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 04, 2016, 12:44:33 AM

Always a put down, is that all you have mastered?


Ron

After all this time,you expected something else from Erfinder ?  :o


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 04, 2016, 12:52:57 AM
I'll just leave this here.  I can use a refresher...


Four Quadrant Energy Exchange in Magnetic & Dielectric Fields of Induction (http://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/four-quadrant-energy-exchange-in-magnetic-dielectric-fields-of-induction/)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 01:16:43 AM
Thanks for the link.

Math does not bother me so much as long as I know what the symbols mean,, I do a lot of visualization :)

So far I have gotten that the dielectric field\flux is between charged bodies and the flux lines terminate on the body surface,, so an external field and that it is an electric displacement.

A lot of what I have read elsewhere sounds familiar,, not sure why yet, but it is not "new" to me so far.

Just don't pat yourself yet and if you dedicate yourself to this, in a few years you will see I was not kidding. Eric Dollard was exposed and willingly studied the work of the titans in the field(s).

After all this time,you expected something else from Erfinder ?  :o


Brad

Brad, you got to prove yourself better than character assassination. There are things worth sharing and your attitude doesn't help you.

I know that saving face is important to you.
If you want to be remembered more than the guy who drilled, milled and coiled a lot, first learn to say thank you for the information you receive. Then try to see what was all that about. And at last, if you get it, try to say thanks again instead of present it later as your inner knowledge.

Try to participate constructively, as you may learn something. By now, if you had something of any value, you'd be all chatters at the bank and quiet on youtube.

I'll just leave this here.  I can use a refresher...


Four Quadrant Energy Exchange in Magnetic & Dielectric Fields of Induction (http://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/four-quadrant-energy-exchange-in-magnetic-dielectric-fields-of-induction/)

I was afraid about that, Eric puts all that math sh!t and doesn't say how the fields move? what is the relationship between them? what is the force that governs them? how do they morph?

A layman cannot understand much and he abandons all in frustration because of it. Math is only a language like English, of Japanese, and you got the frustration when you don't understand much... Math describes "stuff" with its limitation as any spoken language of what has already been there. And in my opinion it fails a lot, one example being Maxwell equations (the wave forms are not consistent with the conservation of energy laws).
Math does not invent sh!t.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 04, 2016, 02:04:22 AM


I was afraid about that, Eric puts all that math sh!t and doesn't say how the fields move? what is the relationship between them? what is the force that governs them? how do they morph?

A layman cannot understand much and he abandons all in frustration because of it. Math is only a language like English, of Japanese, and you got the frustration when you don't understand much... Math describes "stuff" with its limitation as any spoken language of what has already been there. And in my opinion it fails a lot, one example being Maxwell equations (the wave forms are not consistent with the conservation of energy laws).
Math does not invent sh!t.


at least it is illustrated enough and some of the content is more easily understood.  Forget the math and look  for the quality of descriptions.. 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 04, 2016, 04:05:13 AM

After all this time,you expected something else from Erfinder ?  :o

Brad


Well yes --- nobody had mentioned self capacitance so i thought that was a cute response. All he had to say was, "nope, that is not it". But no, he has to make it into a put down. Then when i point this one he made it into a double put down!

I have seen this kind of crap before and it no longer bothers me. I am a free man and he is the bear in a cage. I know it is not politically correct to poke a stick through the bars --- but hey a fellow has to have a bit 'o fun now and then and not take this life too seriously.

Exciting times, eh? lots of good things coming down the pike!!! got several irons in the fire myself.

Take Care mate,

Ron

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 05:52:55 AM

at least it is illustrated enough and some of the content is more easily understood.  Forget the math and look  for the quality of descriptions..

When I hear or read about "Displacement current" I get a jolt especially after I just said how I feel about Maxwell equations.

But let me give it a try using wikipedia as a mainstream source for the concise answers:

"In electromagnetism, displacement current is a quantity appearing in Maxwell's equations that is defined in terms of the rate of change of electric displacement field."

OK, what is the "electric displacement field"?

"In physics, the electric displacement field, denoted by D, is a vector field that appears in Maxwell's equations. It accounts for the effects of free and bound charge within materials while its sources are the free charges only."

So it's only in Maxwell equations (which I distrust for the reasons I was stating before) and accounts for... yada... yada... "WITHIN MATERIALS". Does the vacuum of space qualifies as material?

Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?

And Eric said this while in some other interview said that from space, sun and other stars are not visible to the naked eye (so he also does not believe in "electromagnetic theory").
He bases his explanations on a matter centered math, while he is vocal about the nonexistence of "electron". Bottom line what exactly is displaced?

Folks, I tried to help and now I have to swallow my own words.
Again, Eric studied the long gone titans of electricity and if I have to make sense on different statements he made, I think that in time his position(s) have changed and if you must take him as authority, be aware that internet does not records a time stamp on what people say.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 04, 2016, 07:27:44 AM
is a R.A.(M.)-memory and R.O.(M.)-memory not also - as storage function- a capacitance ?!
but this can also intercommunicate by wire or wireless/wifi with others by induction/sending/emitting  ! antenna/receiver frequency ?!


But is capacitance energy pure energy( 100% neutral ) or partly needed for his self-definition (eigen-self/own-program) the structure ,the time pulse,the presence in the 4th dimensional world ;
as material information (NLP,notoric-motoric) , as intercommunication tool ;

if we "catch" by thermo-photo(n)phono(n)cell vibrational wave-particle ,are we not "destroying" conversation content between other -flora and fauna "creature"- ? Their language,conversation tool  ?


Is in this wave-particle probably not also -like a DNS/DNA sequence- sended or emitted neuronal and bio-nucleus bonded (e-)mission/order ?
How is the cellular intercommunication in our body between the myriads of an-/organic cells, in-/ex-cluded implants !?

Our sin organs frequency and action distance and our body reaction potential ?! In-/Ex-cluded Tele-Kinese and -Pathie

(In-)Formation and application priority !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 04, 2016, 12:33:09 PM
When I hear or read about "Displacement current" I get a jolt especially after I just said how I feel about Maxwell equations.

But let me give it a try using wikipedia as a mainstream source for the concise answers:

"In electromagnetism, displacement current is a quantity appearing in Maxwell's equations that is defined in terms of the rate of change of electric displacement field."

OK, what is the "electric displacement field"?

"In physics, the electric displacement field, denoted by D, is a vector field that appears in Maxwell's equations. It accounts for the effects of free and bound charge within materials while its sources are the free charges only."

So it's only in Maxwell equations (which I distrust for the reasons I was stating before) and accounts for... yada... yada... "WITHIN MATERIALS". Does the vacuum of space qualifies as material?

Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?

And Eric said this while in some other interview said that from space, sun and other stars are not visible to the naked eye (so he also does not believe in "electromagnetic theory").
He bases his explanations on a matter centered math, while he is vocal about the nonexistence of "electron". Bottom line what exactly is displaced?

Folks, I tried to help and now I have to swallow my own words.
Again, Eric studied the long gone titans of electricity and if I have to make sense on different statements he made, I think that in time his position(s) have changed and if you must take him as authority, be aware that internet does not records a time stamp on what people say.


Replace your 'electric field' with lines of dielectric force.  When your lines of dielectric force are in a dynamic state of change, you have displacement current.  These lines of dielectric force are not electrons.  Displacement current is defines as I = Psi/time.  Psi = quantity of dielectric lines of force.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 02:07:21 PM
So by now we have found what capacitance is, what charge is, we can scream from the roof top "in your face Schauberger, the hell with your chords Keely, screw your corals Leedskalnin, we have a true unified field theory".

Well then, all looks hunky-dory, everybody's satisfied, time for a break and tie a knot to remember what was the problem again?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 04, 2016, 04:37:57 PM



Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?




It is the equalization of pressure differentials.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 04, 2016, 04:56:39 PM
From Tesla's statements (included the sources to check the context):

Quote
1891-04-18: Phenomena of Currents of High Frequency
While not directly connected with the present controversy, I would here point out that there exists a popular error in regard to the properties of dielectric bodies. Many electricians frequently confound the theoretical dielectric of Maxwell with the dielectric bodies in use. They do not stop to think that the only perfect dielectric is ether, and that all other bodies, the existence of which is known to us, must be conductors, judging from their physical properties.

Later:

 
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1896-04-22: Roentgen Ray Investigations
In my communication to you of April 1, I have for the first time stated that these rays are composed of matter in a "primary" or elementary condition or state. I have chosen this mode of expression in order to avoid the use of the word "ether", which is usually understood in the sense of the Maxwellian interpretation, which would not be in accord with my present convictions in regard to the nature of the radiations.

Politely commenting the herzian waves, he expresses the faith in scientific community and their methods:

 
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The Problem of Increasing Human Energy - With Special References to the Harnessing of the Sun's Energy
The strength of the proofs brought forward by Hertz in support of Maxwell's theory resided in the correct estimate of the rates of vibration of the circuits he used. But I ascertained that he could not have
obtained the rates he thought he was getting. The vibrations with identical apparatus he employed are, as a rule, much slower, this being due to the presence of air, which produces a dampening effect upon a rapidly vibrating electric circuit of high pressure, as a fluid does upon a vibrating tuning-fork. I have, however, discovered since that time other causes of error, and I have long ago ceased to look upon his results as being an experimental verification of the poetical conceptions of Maxwell. The work of the great German physicist has acted as an immense stimulus to contemporary electrical research, but it has likewise, in a measure, by its fascination, paralysed the scientific mind, and thus hampered independent inquiry. Every new phenomenon which was discovered was made to fit the theory, and so very often the truth has been unconsciously distorted.

From calling maxwellian theory a "poetical conception" to...

 
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1905-01-07: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires as a Means for Furthering Peace
Our accepted estimates of the duration of natural metamorphoses, or changes in general, have been thrown in doubt of late. The very foundations of science have been shaken. We can no longer believe in the Maxwellian hypothesis of transversal ether-undulations of electrical vibrations…

and in the end,
 
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1934-04-08: Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound
This appears clearly, Mr. Tesla explained, if it is first realized that, there being no Maxwellian ether, there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory, he believes, is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project particles with the same speed as the blazing sun, which has an immensely higher temperature.
"We have made sure by experiment," said Mr. Tesla, "that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source. Such constancy of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the physical properties of the medium, especially density and elastic force.

So here is Tesla's review on what we are nowadays served as soupe du jour: Re-heated "Barf à la Science"

But wait, what is he talking about "density and elastic force"? Didn't he compared inductive and capacitive properties with those of a mass and a loaded spring respectively?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 04, 2016, 10:27:03 PM

But wait, what is he talking about "density and elastic force"? Didn't he compared inductive and capacitive properties with those of a mass and a loaded spring respectively?


http://www.energeticforum.com/193605-post447.html   Maybe this will help
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 04, 2016, 10:53:17 PM
@erfinder
Quote
I don't subscribe to the concept of an electric field, so...I cannot answer your question.  Were you to ask the same question, replacing electric field with dielectric field, we would probably have something to discuss.... probably....


I tend to see the term capacitance having many levels depending on our perception. On one level we see a standard capacitor storing energy and giving no indication of it's inner workings. Next we see two conductors in proximity to one another, one with more electrons than the other(-) like wise one with less electrons than the other(+) producing an electric field of force between them we call the Coulomb Force.


We could jump to the conclusion that the motion of these charges in the plates constitutes a current between them, a displacement current, however how can ther be a current?. There is only a field of force and this force imparted to the charges on the plates is what causes them to move in the plates. To say there is a real displacement current is to say a force has been applied to nothing causing it to move through nothing causing it to act on something.


On the next level we see the particle and it's supposed electric field, the field an interference pattern induced in by all external fields thus every singular field is in itself is a dielectric field. At this level there is no such thing as an electric field per say only two wave functions(internal/external) interacting with one another to produce a disturbance within a region surrounding the particle. We could call this disturbance anything however we need to keep in mind that nothing cannot act on something thus no field can simply exist for no apparent reason. On some level there must always exist a primary cause which produces an effect thus the field in every form it may take cannot simply exist and must be an effect of something else. A duality of forces manifest as a singular entity in it's appearance to us.


Ultimately this is where we may have been mislead by ourselves in thinking something, anything just is. It just is for no apparent reason and we need not ask any more questions concerning it. I keep asking questions and in turn I keep receiving answers once again justifying this notion of a universal cause and effect. Ultimately the universe is the sole reason for our existence and if that big old ball of fire, our favorite star, or this planet we call home should change in any fundamental way everything we know could disappear over night.


Personally I think we have lost our way glorifying superficial things and judging solely by appearance. They say this is normal however as we can see almost anything no matter how insane, in time, may become normal to us. People they come and they go, beliefs change as do our attitudes ... but the universe is the foundation I choose to build on. It is my rock, my constant and it does not care what people may or may not believe because it has no application in it's reality.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 05, 2016, 03:52:23 AM
I would  go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf

I just realized that at the time I thought I knew what capacitance is. I was wrong and in that question I asked, what I was suggesting was merely the tiny sh!ty parasite capacitance.

Erfinder not only he knew the answer but now I see why he is entitled to ask the question: what capacitance is? (no matter how weird it sounds)

We are way off the base and to me, no other than Tesla delivered the answer and proved it.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 05, 2016, 09:34:22 AM
capacitance~ ghost ~ Muse the diffference between the geral relativity theory(A.R.T.) and the special relativity (S.R.T.)


Teslas' Muse(Idea-"Father"(or Mother)/Inspirator) has been (Karl) Charles" Prometheus" Steinmetz
Albert Einsteins' Muse (Idea-Father(or Mother)/Inspirator) has been Herman Minkowski   


http://abenteuer-universum.de/stersterne/wl.html (http://abenteuer-universum.de/stersterne/wl.html)
Wurmloch wormwhole -diagram(m) :  https://web.physik.rwth-aachen.de/~hebbeker/lectures/ph2_02/p202_l07/img125.gif (https://web.physik.rwth-aachen.de/~hebbeker/lectures/ph2_02/p202_l07/img125.gif)

                                                   http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/consciousness02a.jpg (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/consciousness02a.jpg)
                                                                         the view point : the solar plexus           
                                                                         body,mind,soul : consciousness
                                                                                         Trinity

https://www.google.pt/search?q=raum+zeit+kontinuum&client=opera&hs=k8d&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9lMKNmpHQAhUF1hQKHaa2DsMQsAQIOQ&biw=1366&bih=668 (https://www.google.pt/search?q=raum+zeit+kontinuum&client=opera&hs=k8d&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi9lMKNmpHQAhUF1hQKHaa2DsMQsAQIOQ&biw=1366&bih=668)

                                                     http://www.srilalita.de/files/images/image046(2).jpg (http://www.srilalita.de/files/images/image046(2).jpg)

www.irdusa.com (http://www.irdusa.com) https://web.archive.org/web/20040706020324/http://www.irdusa.com/ (https://web.archive.org/web/20040706020324/http://www.irdusa.com/)
https://web.archive.org/web/20040714043506/http://www.irdusa.com/fishmax/index.html (https://web.archive.org/web/20040714043506/http://www.irdusa.com/fishmax/index.html) 


Where fishing ? https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac-See (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac-See)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDirac-See&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDirac-See&edit-text=)


http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/forscher-zaubern-akustische-hologramme-aus-schallwellen-a-1113620.html (http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/forscher-zaubern-akustische-hologramme-aus-schallwellen-a-1113620.html)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Ftechnik%2Fforscher-zaubern-akustische-hologramme-aus-schallwellen-a-1113620.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Fwissenschaft%2Ftechnik%2Fforscher-zaubern-akustische-hologramme-aus-schallwellen-a-1113620.html&edit-text=)
 
To read 4D what they think . in Realtime," Echtzeit ";
                                                                                   der Mensch,als glaesernes Objekt "Wassermann"-Zeitalter
                                                                                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPK7ZF6jfJE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPK7ZF6jfJE)


During the "Aether: to be or not to be" question and answer discussion
 playing internal with the Das Theremin also: Thereminvox, Thereminovox, Termenvox, original Aetherophon
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=theremin&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=theremin&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)


virtual antenna
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=theremin&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 (https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=theremin&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8)


avec un peut oxygénius
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mne_HhAx0pM
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 06, 2016, 01:39:13 AM
If anybody is interested (or Erfinder wants to encourage or discourage this direction), this is the circuit that I've been using in an attempt to familiarize myself with an autotransformer reactor network coupled to a pulse motor.  When energized, the mosfets on the reactor networks are shorting out the secondary winding on a 120v/24v step down transformer that is wired as an autotransformer, constituting a variable reactor.  This reduces impedance flow and allows faster charging for the peak current of the circuit.  A hall effect sensor triggers an arduino board into event mode that I can use to control the variable pulse width's of my power pulse and my reactor modulation pulses.  I am not yet harvesting the coil collapse as I just wanted to get the circuit running where it at least mimicked Erfinder's video where he apply's pulse modulation to take his interesting rotating device from 'high impedance mode' to a reduced impedance, acceleration mode. 


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 06, 2016, 02:05:57 AM
http://rexresearch.com/murraydynaflux/murray.html (http://rexresearch.com/murraydynaflux/murray.html)
and
similar the Kango Iida Generator
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040708&CC=JP&NR=2004194491A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040708&CC=JP&NR=2004194491A&KC=A)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 11, 2016, 01:21:19 PM
Erfinder,


Are the magnets on your rotor in a monopole configuration?  Or are they alternating, N-S-N-S...?


Thanks
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 11, 2016, 07:34:23 PM
@webby1
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I have,, many years ago and that was while I was looking into the simple "limiter" that is built into all electric motors,, that little part known as a generator.
Another interesting note is that voltage drives current,, so you can apply an opposing voltage to the generator part and stop current from moving.

It may help to understand some have tried almost everything over the years and now operate on a level completely unknown to most. As such what you find so interesting is like saying one apple plus another apple equals two apples. That is, it is so obvious it fails to have any real meaning except to those who know almost nothing.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind your posts however if people want to move forward they need to think on a different level than what we see here. For instance you say "voltage drives current", no voltage does not drive current. What we call an electric field of force acts on charged particles causing them to move which we call an electric current... an "electric current". The sum of all forces dictate how the current of charged particles moves and it does not matter how the forces evolve only that they do. Thus we could use any number or combination of forces and not just "voltage" which is essentially a meaningless term.

You see I have given details which impart understanding relating to the how and why of things which moves the conversation forward unlike meaningless blanket statements like voltage drives current. I mean if we are going to bother talking then we may as well say something worth saying don't you think?.   

Here is something to consider, write down your thoughts for a few days then brush up on your self-analysis and critical thinking skills and review what you wrote down. You will find you haven't said anything new and in fact you just keep repeating the same old things over and over. Why is this?, because our old thoughts generally dictate how we think and unless we are self-aware of this habitual behavior we cannot change it. We must always be self-aware of our thinking in order to change our thinking and this enables us to do new things. The problem is not understanding it is that we have forgotten how to learn, learning how to learn by understanding how we think is the first step.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 12, 2016, 01:49:41 AM
@webby1
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At some point in time have you not questioned the very nature of the interactions that are in play?
I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.

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Does the magnetic field interact the same for all charge carriers.  Does voltage interact the same for all charge carriers?
Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.

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Then you get left with,, What is a charge carrier?  Is a charge carrier a certain reaction to some observation of change between something?
The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.

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Simple questions for some,, or are they?
The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.

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As long as there is room to change what a person understands they can learn.
I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 12, 2016, 02:07:31 AM
@webby1I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.
Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.
The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.
The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.
I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.

AC

Is there a magnetic field produced by electrons flowing across a spark gap? If so, is it any different, as in denser, weaker, than the field produced by electron flow in a conductor?

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 12, 2016, 05:05:11 PM

really....

what I know.....

Your supposition that I am offering you anything other than that which you have yet to recognize and claim is indeed interesting....


Well? how many faeries can dance on the head of a pin? I am sure you and all-canadian can tell us??? 

Yeesh, I have never heard so much non-nonsensical self aggrandizement in all my life

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 12, 2016, 07:46:59 PM
@Iron
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Well? how many faeries can dance on the head of a pin? I am sure you and all-canadian can tell us??? 
Yeesh, I have never heard so much non-nonsensical self aggrandizement in all my life

I was raised on a farm and my feet have always been firmly planted on the ground in this respect but common sense won't get us where we want to go Ron. Let's cut to the chase, I have working FE devices and I have for some time which is how I know you and most others don't have a hope in hell of ever stumbling on to how it actually works. The odds are effectively zero because most do not fully understand what they already claim to know and have no new knowledge which allows them to move forward. As well, no, I'm not going to tell anyone how to do this anymore than any of you would for obvious reasons.

The insight which allows me to succeed is as follows, we cannot build something we cannot understand let alone imagine. We build until it is understood that what we are doing is not working then if were lucky we use self-reflection/self-analysis. Why is nothing working, what am I doing wrong, what am I missing and why can I not move forward?. Then we can start to lay blame or we can look at other people who have found success and understand they talk differently, they use different terminology, they think differently and see everything from a completely different perspective than most.

Logic would suggest normal common sense people never do extraordinary things because they think like normal people and not extraordinary people. Logic would suggest if we want to do something different we must first start by thinking differently which leads to new ways to look at everything and new idea's concerning common problems. Thus to say I want to be normal but do extraordinary things is to fail miserably... extraordinary thoughts invoke extraordinary events not mediocrity.

So please spare me your rhetoric implying joe blow down the street wallowing in his own sense of self-imposed ignorance and mediocrity is ever going to nail down this technology. That is non-nonsensical self aggrandizement because the people who we know have succeeded in the past were willing to put aside everything they thought they knew and believed in order to succeed... are you?.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 12, 2016, 11:19:42 PM
@webby1
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With such powers of observation and reflection why is it that you have not figured out yet that you can not teach people to un-learn what they think they know?
Often I have seen a better approach is to show them how to do something so that then they teach themselves something that is in contrast to what they understand.
This also has a higher tendency to "open" there minds.
It is strange that the level of understanding of universal law required to build a functioning FE device generally always leads to the understanding that this technology is incompatible with human nature as we know it. It is only after recent events, the U.S. election, that I have come to truly understand this and admit to myself I was wrong. Most people should not have this technology because they would misuse it and destroy everything we hold dear because it is in their nature to do so. As you implied, there is no un-learning human nature nor opening anyone's mind when it remains closed.

Everything in our life relates to the choices we make, we have the right to make our choice however others also have the right to judge us based on the choices we make.

AC

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 13, 2016, 04:59:20 PM
@Iron
I was raised on a farm and my feet have always been firmly planted on the ground in this respect but common sense won't get us where we want to go Ron. Let's cut to the chase, I have working FE devices and I have for some time which is how I know you and most others don't have a hope in hell of ever stumbling on to how it actually works. The odds are effectively zero because most do not fully understand what they already claim to know and have no new knowledge which allows them to move forward. As well, no, I'm not going to tell anyone how to do this anymore than any of you would for obvious reasons.

The insight which allows me to succeed is as follows, we cannot build something we cannot understand let alone imagine. We build until it is understood that what we are doing is not working then if were lucky we use self-reflection/self-analysis. Why is nothing working, what am I doing wrong, what am I missing and why can I not move forward?. Then we can start to lay blame or we can look at other people who have found success and understand they talk differently, they use different terminology, they think differently and see everything from a completely different perspective than most.

Logic would suggest normal common sense people never do extraordinary things because they think like normal people and not extraordinary people. Logic would suggest if we want to do something different we must first start by thinking differently which leads to new ways to look at everything and new idea's concerning common problems. Thus to say I want to be normal but do extraordinary things is to fail miserably... extraordinary thoughts invoke extraordinary events not mediocrity.

So please spare me your rhetoric implying joe blow down the street wallowing in his own sense of self-imposed ignorance and mediocrity is ever going to nail down this technology. That is non-nonsensical self aggrandizement because the people who we know have succeeded in the past were willing to put aside everything they thought they knew and believed in order to succeed... are you?.

AC


I too am a country boy and one of the games we used to play was to run up any mound or small pile of dirt and sing out,...

 "I'm the king of the castle --- you are the dirty rascal"

So i find it quite fascinating to see you and erfinder playing the same game as supposed adults?

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 13, 2016, 05:04:30 PM
@webby1It is strange that the level of understanding of universal law required to build a functioning FE device generally always leads to the understanding that this technology is incompatible with human nature as we know it. It is only after recent events, the U.S. election, that I have come to truly understand this and admit to myself I was wrong. Most people should not have this technology because they would misuse it and destroy everything we hold dear because it is in their nature to do so. As you implied, there is no un-learning human nature nor opening anyone's mind when it remains closed.

Everything in our life relates to the choices we make, we have the right to make our choice however others also have the right to judge us based on the choices we make.

AC


Oh give us a break, the secret government already has this technology (UFO's, weather control) and is already misusing it, why put the blame on us? It is just more, "blame the victim"


The point I was making is that we are being called stupid, yet in 82 pages you two have not posted ANY education material.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 14, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
@Iron
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Oh give us a break, the secret government already has this technology (UFO's, weather control) and is already misusing it, why put the blame on us? It is just more, "blame the victim"
I am not blaming you for your nature any more than I blame myself for mine, we own it. I'm just saying I think I understand human nature well enough from what I have observed to know some things are better left unsaid and undone.

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The point I was making is that we are being called stupid, yet in 82 pages you two have not posted ANY education material.
I make observations, I have thoughts and sometimes I share my thoughts. I started with a question we all ask ourselves at some point...why is this not working for me?. What I found was that thing which was not working was ... me. My attitude, my motivation, the way I approach problems, all those pre-conceived notions I carry with me and a complete lack of clarity. I am not the one to help you find your answers my friend because you know yourself better than me.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Meta on November 14, 2016, 09:28:43 AM
You either do or not do....there is no try.
Yoda
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 14, 2016, 10:33:14 AM
Attached is the "concept" which has inspired thousands, indirectly.  The majority did not allow themselves the opprotunity to examine the source.  Preferring the spoon to mouth, only those parts, or specifically, that part which can be sourced back to "the concept" was prepared for them, and fed to them.  If you choose to examine the document and those which relate to it, understand that if you take it at face value expect failure.  Do not judge a book, this book, by its cover.  See it for what it is, and be accelerated into the unknown.

How this relates to the subject... I expect you will fill me in when you get there.....if you get here.

Also, this is a version of the circuit in a simpler depiction. It only has 1 cap and 1 large inductance, and this one is DC input with switching dependent on the gas engine rpm.

The idea behind it from what I understand is when the points switch is closed, the large inductance gets charged up, then when the switch opens, the large inductor charges the cap. Then when the switch closes again, the cap gets discharged into the spark coil primary, secondary delivers spark and the process starts all over. In a typical points system of today and apparently back then, the closure of the points puts the battery source across the spark primary directly, consuming lots of current from the battery during the on time, and when the points open, the field collapses and sec gets induced to spark. So from what I get it that this circuit is its more efficient than typical points systems as the large inductor does not consume as much in order to charge the cap.

There may be more to it than that if it can be used to produce ou.

Mags

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 14, 2016, 12:27:42 PM

Oh give us a break, the secret government already has this technology (UFO's, weather control) and is already misusing it, why put the blame on us? It is just more, "blame the victim"


The point I was making is that we are being called stupid, yet in 82 pages you two have not posted ANY education material.


Ron

Hate to say it(ok,i dont hate to say it :D),but i told you so. ;)

Like i stated 80 pages back--same old- same old.
And in another 82 pages,there will still be a void of educational material--but lots of bathroom heaters.



Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 14, 2016, 12:38:10 PM
A spring function is analog a condensator function ( Lord Thompson/Kelvin analog)
         + the Kelvin Paradoxon http://www.keelynet.com/news/101016z.html (http://www.keelynet.com/news/101016z.html) :

http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/161241/image// (http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/dlattach/attach/161241/image//)
this I see as the hydrostatic process also known as hydrostatic Paradoxon now translated in electro-magneto-kineto machine version

from this point of view ,and including the total(water/air) Tesla turbo-/thermodynamic machines work :


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=fr&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=beaupre&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=fr&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=beaupre&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)

hydro-dynamic
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=FR&NR=514684A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19210316&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=FR&NR=514684A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19210316&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)

to electro-dynamic

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=FR&NR=521330A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19210709&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/mosaics?CC=FR&NR=521330A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19210709&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


and
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220721&CC=FR&NR=540979A&KC=A (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19220721&CC=FR&NR=540979A&KC=A)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on November 14, 2016, 04:35:55 PM
Somehow the output is high current.Somehow the input is low current.Somehow the large condenser is depicted but we know that the flyback spike during disconnect of high inductance coil is HV low current, yet it will charge that cap or the picture is misleading and the cap is HV caps in paralell... ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on November 14, 2016, 04:39:56 PM
So can you charge say 20 HV caps from single spark ? So can you discharge them to get HF. So can you get the movement of energy in the MW oscillations. So can you collect 10% or use the way to collect more if you wish ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 14, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
@IronI am not blaming you for your nature any more than I blame myself for mine, we own it. I'm just saying I think I understand human nature well enough from what I have observed to know some things are better left unsaid and undone.
I make observations, I have thoughts and sometimes I share my thoughts. I started with a question we all ask ourselves at some point...why is this not working for me?. What I found was that thing which was not working was ... me. My attitude, my motivation, the way I approach problems, all those pre-conceived notions I carry with me and a complete lack of clarity. I am not the one to help you find your answers my friend because you know yourself better than me.

AC


Not a problem AC, us canucks need to stick together. was just bad timing on your part.


I had come from the Matt/Dave scene (120 watts in and 800 watts out --- but I am not telling you) to take part in erfinders game of guess what I thought of? So you can imagine my existing level of frustration when you came on forum to say that you had overunity but where not going to tell us, LOL


Ron





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 14, 2016, 11:26:24 PM

Mags,


I mean you no disrespect, please, try and understand that if I was offering what you think you know, I would be wasting both of our time.  Instead of considering what I gave you, you cheat yourself and find the same circuit in a simplified format.  Good luck finding what I am suggesting with that version of the circuit.


The application as presented in the documents is WINDOW DRESSING!  Open your eyes people, open your freakin minds.  See what is right in front of you.

Sometimes Teslas stuff is hard for people to comprehend the circuitry, at least, so the Igniter pat gives a more clear idea of what at least half of the circuit looks like.

We have been looking at these patents for some years now. Supposedly Tito sees what your talking about. But you guys are the only ones that I know of that claim they see it. So if we think a bit, there are many, many, that dont see it. Some have it and many dont for some reason.

Like do we have to build it as shown to see what we should see?

If i had it guys, Id blow it all out there so the many blind can see also. But I dont. Looks like we may be here for a few more years pondering I suppose.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 15, 2016, 09:47:46 AM
@Iron
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I had come from the Matt/Dave scene (120 watts in and 800 watts out --- but I am not telling you) to take part in erfinders game of guess what I thought of? So you can imagine my existing level of frustration when you came on forum to say that you had overunity but where not going to tell us, LOL

I hear you and I have followed more wild goose chases over the years than I would care to mention.

Personally I never had much success until I stopped following others and started doing my own thing. Do you know what the secret is?, it all starts with the concept. Look at Tesla, he imagined a rotating magnetic field and this single concept in itself helped drive an industrial revolution and create most of the power systems we use today. This is how the process of invention works, it starts with curiosity concerning a very simple concept like a rotating magnetic field and then we build upon this until it becomes something practical.

Look at what others do, they talk about coils of wires and magnetic fields and switching and weird transformers and equations and literature and diagrams but almost none have a solid concept to build on. For example one of my initial concepts was that if we charge two plates of a capacitor and one plate should suddenly cease to exist then the voltage on the other plate should instantly rise to a level few can imagine. It is a very simple concept... one plate simply appears to disappear and it does not matter how this change occurs only that it does. Then we take this simple concept and we expand upon it, what is a capacitor, how does it work and how do we make one plate perceive that the other plate is not there anymore. We are only limited by our imagination how we might do this however if we do not have the concept to build on then we have nothing.

To be honest I would say to hell with everyone here especially myself and pursue some thing you find interesting. Your success is not dependent on us it is dependent on you and your curiosity and your inspiration wherever you may find it. For me the process is always the same and it starts with... what is that, how does it work, what if I did this, or what if I did this instead, what would happen?.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 15, 2016, 10:59:33 AM
@Tinman
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Hate to say it(ok,i dont hate to say it :D),but i told you so. ;)
Like i stated 80 pages back--same old- same old.
And in another 82 pages,there will still be a void of educational material--but lots of bathroom heaters.

Have you ever built Tesla's hairpin circuit?, it was the initial device which his therapeutic patents were based on. I cannot think of a better learning tool because it and other variations taught me many things most people cannot seem to wrap their mind around. You see a person could literally send hundreds of watts of power down conductors almost as small as a human hair to power a light bulb and the conductors never get hot...no bathroom heaters. You can grab the conductors and feel only a slight tingle and immerse the lit bulb under water and nothing seems to happen. It is completely counter-intuitive to what most expect and most people have real problems with it.

Do you know what the most surprising part was?, I could show this rather simple device to almost any of the experts I know and not a single one of them believed it initially. All believed it was some kind of trick or hoax and it was only after I explained the working principal that they believed it was real. Even more strange was that nobody and I do mean nobody clued into the most important aspect of the demonstration right in front of them. The very small conductors were carrying real power with almost no dissipation of energy which is about as close to a super conductor as we are most likely to find. The beginning of a truly lossless system only requiring the slightest of impetus to push it over into the realm of a free energy generator.

Did you learn something?.

AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 15, 2016, 11:08:30 AM
"losless" is wrong defined,who knows the energy input difference to reach N1,N2,N... material and system quality to get a over-1 gain result quantity is in search for a "lossarm" circuit concept !

Outer balancing 51:49 up to 79:21 Fleming/Lenz
Outer balancing 51:49 up to 79:21 Lenz/Fleming

                                                                               Wippe/Wave

and not to forget : EMKF electromotive     force
                                       magnetomotive  force
                                       kinetomotive      force 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 15, 2016, 01:38:02 PM
@Tinman
Have you ever built Tesla's hairpin circuit?, it was the initial device which his therapeutic patents were based on. I cannot think of a better learning tool because it and other variations taught me many things most people cannot seem to wrap their mind around. You see a person could literally send hundreds of watts of power down conductors almost as small as a human hair to power a light bulb and the conductors never get hot...no bathroom heaters. You can grab the conductors and feel only a slight tingle and immerse the lit bulb under water and nothing seems to happen. It is completely counter-intuitive to what most expect and most people have real problems with it.

Do you know what the most surprising part was?, I could show this rather simple device to almost any of the experts I know and not a single one of them believed it initially. All believed it was some kind of trick or hoax and it was only after I explained the working principal that they believed it was real. Even more strange was that nobody and I do mean nobody clued into the most important aspect of the demonstration right in front of them. The very small conductors were carrying real power with almost no dissipation of energy which is about as close to a super conductor as we are most likely to find. The beginning of a truly lossless system only requiring the slightest of impetus to push it over into the realm of a free energy generator.

Did you learn something?.

AC

Yes
The temperature of my coffee dropped .31*C while reading your post.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 15, 2016, 02:58:54 PM
Yes
The temperature of my coffee dropped .31*C while reading your post.


Brad

Wrong again it's not the temperature, it's the IQ. Ask your dog for an appointment, you need exercise.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 15, 2016, 10:56:47 PM
Wrong again it's not the temperature, it's the IQ. Ask your dog for an appointment, you need exercise.

Ah yes
A thread full of hi IQ's--but nothing to show,other than many words.

Such wisdom  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: allcanadian on November 16, 2016, 12:19:27 AM
@tinman
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Ah yes[/size]A thread full of hi IQ's--but nothing to show,other than many words.


I wouldn't say that, I invented a rock solid 99.99% passive magnetic bearing and disclosed it here in the forum. It works like nothing you have ever seen and people tell me it has great value. Also a while back a man named Dr.Stiffler and myself disclosed a HV self-oscillating circuit which a man called slayer made very popular. I believe he called it the slayer exciter which I invented years before he had even heard of such a thing.


So we do what we can when we can and when it slows down here this winter I plan on disclosing many other interesting devices I have invented. Not a problem I'm in no hurry.


AC
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 16, 2016, 12:47:03 AM
First, Ron in the name of dire state of humanity you played the obscurantism card and when presented with a real schematic you perform canucks yodeling? Taking a pause from learning maybe?

The same schematic was proposed as basis of discussions related to the topic of the thread you opened Brad, and all you have say is this?
A thread full of hi IQ's--but nothing to show,other than many words.
That's low blow!

All you want is economic success and for that Hayek (an economist) said:
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“The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”


So now you that have Tesla's design nevertheless, run for the bank loan Brad!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 16, 2016, 09:16:24 AM




All you want is economic success and for that Hayek (an economist) said:



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First, Ron in the name of dire state of humanity you played the obscurantism card and when presented with a real schematic you perform canucks yodeling? Taking a pause from learning maybe?

What !real! schematic ?
Do you mean the one below?,that Erfinder had this comment to add to it
Quote: consider" Tesla's circuit, the one I referenced, and no other.  Recognize and above all respect that there is no rectifier,

Do you agree with that Barbosi ?-is there no rectifier?

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The same schematic was proposed as basis of discussions related to the topic of the thread you opened Brad, and all you have say is this?That's low blow!

First of all,i did not open the thread.
Second of all,it seems that your self and Erfinder do not know what you are looking at,when it comes to the presented schematic.-->Where's the IQ gone?

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So now you that have Tesla's design nevertheless, run for the bank loan Brad!

As i sad,if you knew what you are looking at,then you wouldnt be heading for the bank.

Perhaps you should have a !good! look at the schematic/device,and see if you understand it's workings,and what it actually is--providing we are referring to the below depicted?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 16, 2016, 11:04:03 AM

You really are clueless.....You have no idea what Tesla was doing, what he left behind in this and other documents, nor its relation to the subject matter....  Drown in your ignorance.

It's people like you,and your mates from the army,that take Tesla's work,and present it as something it never was.

Do you stand by what you say,in that you believe there is no rectifier in the below schematic/device ?--assuming the device below is the one you are referring to?-hard to tell with your chook scratchings all over the place.

When you have answered the question,i will then present to you what the device actually is,and we shall see who knows what about Tesla's work.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Jeg on November 16, 2016, 11:35:52 AM

Do you stand by what you say,in that you believe there is no rectifier in the below schematic/device ?

Hi Brad.
I think that the missing link is the following Tesla quote.

"...When the conditions are such that the general law of harmonic vibrations is followed, the circuits are said to be in resonance or in electromagnetic synchronism, and this condition I have found in my system to be highly advantageous.
... To accomplish this, the number of impulses of current directed into the charging-circuit per unit time is made equal to the period of the charging-circuit itself, or, generally, to a harmonic thereof, and the same relations are maintained between the charging and discharge circuit. Any departure from this condition will result in a decreased output"

In this point of view, indeed there is no need for rectification. When cap is at its maximums, you just fire it at the low inductance circuit. Even if i use rectification to almost all of my experiments, diodes destroy this harmonic's law. The reason is that diodes offer a very small capacity in the order of some pF, which destroy any possible series resonance with a cap to a desired frequency.   

Regards
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 16, 2016, 12:33:10 PM

This isn't a pissing contest.  I have no interest in your mediocre viewpoint.  I am not interested in any reference you will give to the commutator, I am not interested in any reference you make to the polarity of the supply.  I have no interest in your hollow questions, no interest in your childish challenges, I have no interest in your close minded perspective, I do not have the time nor patience to deal with your self imposed state of stupidity.  You are no authority, you have nothing to say that I want to hear on the subject of Tesla. 


That being said, show the community whatever you wish.  Those who pay attention to what you disclose, those who believe you, lap up your vomit....can and will choke on it....one can hope.

Lol
Now how did we all know that was coming. ::)

Well,some news for you Mr guru on nothingness-->the whole bloody thing is a rectifier-->yes,thats right Mr Tesla guru,it's a bloody mechanical rectifier. It's also a converter,in that the supply can be either an AC or DC current. If a DC current is used as the supply,the mechanical converter part of the device,will convert the DC to AC,and then back to high frequency DC on the output.

You do know what Tesla referred this device to-dont you?-->yes,a rotary transformer lol.

So your statement(no rectifier). is rubbish--crap--bullshit.
 Once again,you have taken something,and tried to make it a big discovery,that only those like your self(lets hope there is only the one)can understand--but you cant even work out the mechanical rectifier part of the device.
You do know mechanical rectifiers have been around for over 100 years-dont you ?.

Sorry,shouldn't ask you questions,as you never answer any.
Reason being--you simply have no idea what your talking about--much the same as Aaron and Petie.
How many people here have learned anything from you?--yep,none

You back away from any question,and those that you do answer,you answer with another question,that makes no sense at all to anyone.
You run from any challenge presented to you,because you know your palava will not hold up in any challenge,and you know that the nothingness you have been rambling on about,would only end up being a big bathroom heater,rather than a useful device.

You are so predictable,and extremely transparent.
In another 80 pages of your ramblings,there will still be that big nothingness.

If your going to claim to be a Tesla guru,then you should actually know what the device is your looking at-->and leave your personal fantasies out of it.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 16, 2016, 12:49:55 PM
 A "Lenz free generator" is a fission (re-)actor, free= point of no return : this is not what we want to get,
what we need is a generator circuit,with reversible process !

Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gotoluc on November 16, 2016, 07:49:47 PM
We need to understand what a generator is, nothing more nothing less.  What we want we already have.  The moment we truly comprehend the mechanism, we will see how stupid we were.


This quote kind of reminds me of people who are in the process of searching for God or Truth
Little we know who we are.
If we could only get a glimpse, we would realize how silly we are.


Glad I experienced who I am. Maybe in time I'll get to understand what a generator is!... but I'll be fine if I don't as the Truth of the Self is the Ultimate and reason we are here.


Luc
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 16, 2016, 11:00:07 PM
 author=Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg495765#msg495765 date=1479296761]



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You spend entirely too much time in the bathroom.....

I live in the part of a country where bathroom heaters are not needed,and so your work(your nothingness)i have no need for.

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I know exactly what I am looking at

Seems not  ;)


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and it ain't a plug for my own work

You got that part right :D

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....fascinating how you attempt to reduce this man's legacy the level of your abomination....

No-you did that,not me.

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The tinman rotary transformer equates to rubbish, shit, a pipe dream, a sham, a low budget production ripe for roasting in a blazing fire.

Any time your ready to put your wonder machine up against it,you let me know.
But when it comes to you backing up your babble--well, we all know what the outcome will be  ::)

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Now that we have been informed of what you think Tesla was presenting, we will let it stew

Or you could show one example of the device you presented (the one below),running,and doing something wonderful--you know--back up your claims of it being something other than what it was.

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....and in time it will be revealed, what he really left, it damn sure wasn't that  piece of shit you try to pawn off as a perl.

So show us what he left  ;)
Show us more than a drawing,and your mis-interpretation of it.
Show just one example of the device below performing work,other than it's intended.
In fact,show us just one picture of the device it self--a picture of an actual device,and not some drawn patent picture.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 16, 2016, 11:06:24 PM
Tito had sown us the igniter pat is a basic form of the pat sown here, along with the ozone pat which is very similar.

What tito is saying as of late is that if the switching is fast enough, and Im guessing the right freq, that the discharge cap gets recharged during the switching operations. He apparently is saying that the cap charges higher than what was in it to start. Not saying I understand how, but.....

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 16, 2016, 11:13:46 PM
I don't understand all the hoop-la, this machine just takes the spike of the collapsing field and magnifies it.
Tesla still uses a source to drive it.
He just uses his input to change the output (and then directs it back to the input) , and the output isn't strong enough to be used as the input , close but no cigar.
It is simply very efficient.
artv

At Mags, You must have posted at the same time as me,..Tito is right.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 17, 2016, 11:47:47 AM
I don't understand all the hoop-la, this machine just takes the spike of the collapsing field and magnifies it.
Tesla still uses a source to drive it.
He just uses his input to change the output (and then directs it back to the input) , and the output isn't strong enough to be used as the input , close but no cigar.
It is simply very efficient.
artv

At Mags, You must have posted at the same time as me,..Tito is right.

That is correct.
Even Tesla states in the patent ,that it is just a rotary transformer/converter.
There are those here that would have you believe that it is some sort of wonder machine,that only they can decipher.

Tesla was a great man,and bought forth great inventions,but there is not one free energy device amongst them. There are some(one in particular)that would have you believe otherwise,but the very same people(person) will deliver nothing to back up there claims.
This is how Tesla's true works get all distorted into something they are not.

The man (Tesla) should be remembered for what he did have,and what he gave the world,and not what the fairy penguins think his work was.
A perfect mis-representation of Tesla's work took place here a few pages back--Quote:--look,no rectifier. These are the ones to watch out for,as even with Tesla's drawing/schematic before them,they have no idea what there looking at.
No rectifier my ass.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 17, 2016, 11:07:47 PM
A difference in potential will do.
"No rectifier my ass."
All the rectifier does is let the stronger signal through or dominate.The other is still there.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 17, 2016, 11:46:53 PM


At Mags, You must have posted at the same time as me,..Tito is right.

There was a vid of a guy that at the time, he did an experiment on the floor(carpet) and he had 2 caps and a bifi coil. He rigged it up where he had 3 wires where he would short them out quickly and he had shown very little charge used from the source cap, but an even higher voltage in the dump cap. He called it Reverse Entropy.

There may be something to it. At the time I had just thought that the input cap was a large capacitance and the receiving cap was a small value. I could be wrong, but the input cap was one of those large electrolytics with the screw terminals on top, typically blue shrink wrap in color. And the other was more of a oval can like a motor start cap, which are not usually anywhere near the capacitance of the input cap shown.

Well this seems like a good place to start. So maybe we just need to set up the circuit roughly as shown and the critical ingredient would be the speed of the switching until we see an effect. ???

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: forest on November 18, 2016, 08:57:08 AM
Guys, it is sometimes good to observer what other users are trying to say. lancaiv has posted very useful informations.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

If you carefully read those patents you will find it is EXACT confirmation and replication of Tesla method of conversion. A capacitor and an inductance of the WHOLE circuit if MATCHED to load will allow to power load with very sharp pulses (looks like radiant energy described by Bedini, right?) with much higher voltage then normally allowed for load.
If that was Tesla first step then we are discussing here then next step without knowing about first one - very hard to understand then...
Another one : https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2012065719A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20120524&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 02:33:24 PM
Guys, it is sometimes good to observer what other users are trying to say. lancaiv has posted very useful informations.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

If you carefully read those patents you will find it is EXACT confirmation and replication of Tesla method of conversion. A capacitor and an inductance of the WHOLE circuit if MATCHED to load will allow to power load with very sharp pulses (looks like radiant energy described by Bedini, right?) with much higher voltage then normally allowed for load.
If that was Tesla first step then we are discussing here then next step without knowing about first one - very hard to understand then...
Another one : https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2012065719A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20120524&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#

Some time ago-a long time ago lol,i was fooling around with HV powering loads that had a voltage rating of far less.
Here is one of those videos ,where i show over 400 volts across a 2.5 volt LED-and the LED dose not blow.

So the HV is sent through two diodes,into a large 63v DC cap that has the LED across it,then the two wires/probes continue into a glass of water. A second set of spiral probes are also submersed into the glass of water,and connected to the AC side of a FWBR. The DC output from the FWBR is sent to a HV DC cap that has a neon across it. When the neon is removed,the cap is free to climb to over 400 volts--but the 2.5v LED dose not blow,and the DMM indicates it only has 1.8 odd volts across it  :o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcCWVdkzwA


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 02:57:38 PM
That is correct.
Even Tesla states in the patent ,that it is just a rotary transformer/converter.
There are those here that would have you believe that it is some sort of wonder machine,that only they can decipher.

Tesla was a great man,and bought forth great inventions,but there is not one free energy device amongst them. There are some(one in particular)that would have you believe otherwise,but the very same people(person) will deliver nothing to back up there claims.
This is how Tesla's true works get all distorted into something they are not.

The man (Tesla) should be remembered for what he did have,and what he gave the world,and not what the fairy penguins think his work was.
A perfect mis-representation of Tesla's work took place here a few pages back--Quote:--look,no rectifier. These are the ones to watch out for,as even with Tesla's drawing/schematic before them,they have no idea what there looking at.
No rectifier my ass.


Brad

 Ok explain this one then:

 Really look at this one. Where is the input?

 Explain how this one works in detail. Lets see if you really understood Tesla...
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
"Tesla was a great man,and bought forth great inventions,but there is not one free energy device amongst them."

 Two come to mind:

 Tesla's real tower
 Tesla's Niagara falls harness

 These two were to be used together with his transmitting system via the ground. The tower does two things:

 Harnesses The voltage potential vs. the ground.
 Can transmit energy and intelligence via the ground via tuned resonance.

 Here is my take on this, now I know this isn't relative to the discussion but you made the statement I quoted and it simply is incorrect.

 Modified picture of the tower (My take and Tesla's design)
 I think I have a few mistakes (like the bifilar coil on the lower end of the coils) but one thing is clear. Tesla used this like an amplifier tube. Impressing intelligence would be easy at the spark gap point. The discharges would flow to the ground and energize the ground and surrounding area. Think telegraph and you can see how this works. The voltage difference from the top load to the ground plane would be immense and that is the amplifying or magnifying effect he talks about. A natural HV source for our use.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 03:35:20 PM
Ok explain this one then:

 Really look at this one. Where is the input?

 Explain how this one works in detail. Lets see if you really understood Tesla...

First up,you should know that Tesla had many idea's -which he use to draw on paper.
But that dose not mean the device was ever built and tested.

So lets see how well !you! know Tesla and his work's,and post an actual photo of this device completed,and prove it was not just another of his idea's drawn down on paper.

If you cant do that,then find a replication of the device,and see if the replicator obtained any result's from said device.

I once drew a dragon on paper.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 03:50:07 PM
First up,you should know that Tesla had many idea's -which he use to draw on paper.
But that dose not mean the device was ever built and tested.

So lets see how well !you! know Tesla and his work's,and post an actual photo of this device completed,and prove it was not just another of his idea's drawn down on paper.

If you cant do that,then find a replication of the device,and see if the replicator obtained any result's from said device.

I once drew a dragon on paper.


Brad

 Obviously you have no idea how Tesla designed and optimized his ideas. He would design, build and optimize his ideas right in his head. That is how he worked and to his staffs amazement his final designs given to his staff actually worked with out testing previously.

 This is not some pie in the sky idea he had. It was designed specifically to HARNESS the voltage potentials above us. This was his new Niagara Falls and the government and the ones who control this government shut him down. It was never finished because there was no interest in improving mans life in general. They wanted a way to improve their lives.

 You mean to tell me you can not use a voltage potential difference like 20k volts to generate power with? How daft are you?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 04:10:01 PM
Obviously you have no idea how Tesla designed and optimized his ideas. He would design, build and optimize his ideas right in his head. That is how he worked and to his staffs amazement his final designs given to his staff actually worked with out testing previously.

 This is not some pie in the sky idea he had. It was designed specifically to HARNESS the voltage potentials above us. This was his new Niagara Falls and the government and the ones who control this government shut him down. It was never finished because there was no interest in improving mans life in general. They wanted a way to improve their lives.

 

As i said big mouth--show the finished device--or any that exist today.

All well and good to mouth off,and think your some Tesla super guru,but as has been seen time and time again with you lot(the Tesla guru's),you have no substance,nor any proof to back up your idiotic claims. All you do is provide picture's,and harp on how well you know Tesla,and his work--but you know nothing

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You mean to tell me you can not use a voltage potential difference like 20k volts to generate power with? How daft are you?

Now is your chance Mr Tesla champion--show us how it's done--show us this wonderful free energy device you have made from Tesla's drawings.

You will fail to do so--you will fall flat on your face,just like all the Tesla guru's do.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 04:32:36 PM
Obviously you have no idea how Tesla designed and optimized his ideas. He would design, build and optimize his ideas right in his head. That is how he worked and to his staffs amazement his final designs given to his staff actually worked with out testing previously.

 This is not some pie in the sky idea he had. It was designed specifically to HARNESS the voltage potentials above us. This was his new Niagara Falls and the government and the ones who control this government shut him down. It was never finished because there was no interest in improving mans life in general. They wanted a way to improve their lives.

 You mean to tell me you can not use a voltage potential difference like 20k volts to generate power with? How daft are you?

Oh,by the way-you do realize that that device was just a transmitter-dont you ?,and required a power input--E.G-a generator.
It was also not his Niagara falls project.

You need to go back to the books junior.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 04:34:10 PM
 You are the one looking for proof. Do it yourself because no matter what I or other say you still wont believe in that proof. Even if I did a video and showed pictures of my own experiments you wouldn't believe it anyways. So do it for yourself or shut the yap and let others work through this.

 All of the information is there. Educate yourself by doing the research I have done for over the past decade and do the experiments he shows us as I have done for myself. Walk in his shoes and do like he did. Otherwise you are no better then what you say about us. You say you want proof. The only proof you would really not be in doubt over is to do it yourself. That is what I did and that is what I am doing.

 I offer to others information and some insight into who Tesla was. He was a genius and a humanitarian and that drives you crazy doesn't it. We owe our whole way of life to this man who lived to improve mans ability to live without toil. You on the other hand live to troll the hell out of the man without knowing one thing about him and his Technology or his methods and experiments along his path to discovering our ability to live without paying someone for our energy. That was Tesla's dream and goal. He told us his was the Future and that future is now. We have an unprecedented access to information and some choose to block that access without putting up one shred of evidence that it doesn't work.

 We all know how coils work. We all know about energy as it moves through a coil. We all know how a self terminated coil with a cap works. Now logically look at the device again and Tell me where the input is...

  And no it wasn't just a Transmitter. That is what he said to Morgan to get him to finance the whole thing. It can transmit intelligence via spark gap modulation but it's real aim is to harness the very wheel work that is grinding all around us. Just like in Niagara Falls he harnessed the Falls, in this aspect he harnesses the potential differences that are between the elevated Terminal and ground. Both aspects are the same.

 Again where is the input to the tower?

P.s. The bifilar coil is actually section B and C. If you look closely B is turning in the opposite direction as C is. It is clearer in the first diagram.

 Now there are enhancements like using a bifilar coil to use as a super capacitance for the top load. More of that here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/tesla/coloradonotes/coloradonotes04.htm

 "In order to produce the greatest possible movement of electricity through a region of the earth in accordance with the plan involving use of a single terminal oscillator, as here experimented with, it is desirable to obtain in some way a large capacity on the free terminal. This is connected with difficulty as spheres get to be too large with moderate tensions and when the tensions go into the millions, streamers can not be easily overcome. The streamers involve loss of pressure just as leaks would on a water pipe which is closed at one end. Large capacity is obtainable in a number of ways of which some are:  1) a coil wound for maximum capacity (internal). The turns are so disposed that between the adjacent turns of layers there exists a great difference of potential, as much as the insulation can stand."

 And a good way to makes sure it can withstand huge potentials is to immerse it in oil and evacuate all air from around the bifilar coil.

 So you are right about one thing. The drawing is not including perfections to this system. The mention of a single terminal oscillator being another.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 05:11:28 PM


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You are the one looking for proof. Do it yourself because no matter what I or other say you still wont believe in that proof. Even if I did a video and showed pictures of my own experiments you wouldn't believe it anyways. So do it for yourself or shut the yap and let others work through this.

Lol-are you Erfinders twin brother?
Like him,you made the claims-not me,and so you must back up your claim's-not me.

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All of the information is there.

All of the information has been distorted,by people like you and Erfinder.

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Educate yourself by doing the research I have done over the past decade and do the experiments he shows us. Walk in his shoes and do like he did. Otherwise you are no better then what you say about us. You say you want proof. The only proof you would really not be in doubt over is to do it yourself. That is what I did and and that is what I am doing.

Like i said,i do not need to provide any proof,as i did not make the claim--you did.
I hope your Tesla free energy devices are coming along nicely.

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I offer to others information and some insight into who Tesla was.

Your information is incorrect and distorted.
Tesla was a great man,but people like you present his work as something it was not.

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He was a genius and a humanitarian and that drives you crazy doesn't it.

Nope,as i know what his work was,and how lucky we are to have it work for us today.
I think it's more you who is being driven crazy,as you cant make any of his !free energy! devices work--feel free to prove me wrong on that  ;)

 
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We owe our whole way of life to this man who lived to improve mans ability to live without toil. You on the other hand live to troll the hell out of the man without knowing one thing about him and his Technology or his methods and experiments along his path to discovering our ability to live without paying someone for our energy.

Yes,we ow him a great deal of thanks,and i only troll the hell out of people like you,who try and mis-represent his work.

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That was Tesla's dream and goal. He told us his was the Future and that future is now. We have an unprecedented access to information and some choose to block that access without putting up one shred of evidence that it doesn't work.

His designs work very well for what they were actually designed to do--not the fairy tails you are trying to promote.

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We all know how coils work.

Do we.
Well,give it your best shot--how do coils work?.

 
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We all know about energy as it moves through a coil. We all know how a self terminated coil with a cap works.

Cant wait to here your explanation  ;)

 
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Now logically look at the device again and Tell me where the input is...

Oh dear ::)
You had better go read the patent carefully  ;)

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And no it wasn't just a Transmitter. That is what he said to Morgan to get him to finance the whole thing. It can transmit intelligence via spark gap modulation but it's real aim is to harness the very wheel work that is grinding all around us. Just like in Niagara Falls he harnessed the Falls, in this aspect he harnesses the potential differences that are between the elevated Terminal and ground. Both aspects are the same.

As i said-you better go read the patents again--Tesla's own words.

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Again where is the input to the tower?

As i said-go and read the patent properly--do your own home work,and get it right.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: picowatt on November 18, 2016, 05:25:57 PM

 Again where is the input to the tower?


From the 1,119,732 patent:

"the transmitting circuit, in its general features, is identical with that described and claimed in my original Patents Nos. 645,576 and 649,621"

"The primary C may be excited in any desired manner, from a suitable source of currents G, which may be an alternator or condenser"

A full read of this patent, the two patents he referenced (645,576 and 649,621), and the additional patents referenced in those patents, will further clarify "the input" to the tower.

PW
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 05:30:00 PM
From the 1,119,732 patent:

"the transmitting circuit, in its general features, is identical with that described and claimed in my original Patents Nos. 645,576 and 649,621"

"The primary C may be excited in any desired manner, from a suitable source of currents G, which may be an alternator or condenser"

A full read of this patent, the two patents he referenced (645,576 and 649,621), and the additional patents referenced in those patents, will further clarify "the input" to the tower.

PW

Good to hear from you PW
Hope all is well.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 05:33:37 PM
 Listen Don't read the patent. Look at the device. See what it is doing. Follow you own electrical laws. Show the input. Tesla never would have left that out, ever. Look at it and tell me that after you short the spark gap that it would not oscillate in tune with the self terminated coil and cap. The input is not shown because it has no input. Stop believing the text and look at the device. Text can be changed but the drawing will never change.
 Go outside and get two long wires and a dmm. Hang a plate in the air and connects the dmm between the plate wire and a ground wire. There is potential there between the two. If used as an oscillator with voltage being tapped at the capacitor this thing would ring. The spark gap is to both separate and create an impulse to ground. This will create a huge pressure in the Cap G. That shorts out to a Tesla system to transform it into real working current via the Cap/transformer resonant system and again to ground. Pretty simple.

 See this is how they get you. They change the text but don't bother with changing the diagram. Too much work I guess. Then people like you instead of using your own eyes to see the Tower as he drew it and understand it from a simple electronics viewpoint. No you have to be led with words away from what is actually happening because you are too lazy to put your own laws to the test.

 Describe what would happen if you shorted or triggered the spark gap to the rest of the system by your own laws?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 05:39:46 PM
Listen Don't read the patent. Look at the device. See what it is doing. Follow you own electrical laws. Show the input. Tesla never would have left that out, ever. Look at it and tell me that after you short the spark gap that it would not oscillate in tune with the self terminated coil and cap. The input is not shown because it has no input. Stop believing the text and look at the device. Text can be changed but the drawing will never change.
 Go outside and get two long wires and a dmm. Hang a plate in the air and connects the dmm between the plate wire and a ground wire. There is potential there between the two. If used as an oscillator with voltage being tapped at the capacitor this thing would ring. The spark gap is to both separate and create an impulse to ground. This will create a huge pressure in the Cap G. That shorts out to a Tesla system to transform it into real working current via the Cap/transformer resonant system and again to ground. Pretty simple.

If it's pretty simple,why has no one done it ?.

The voltage potential exist,and gains in potential as you gain in altitude--but there is next to no current,and this has been proven.

Now,tap into a lightning bolt,and then you have some power.

PW just explained where the P/input is,and it is also stated as so in the patent.
All of Tesla's devices had a power input,that was supplied by generators or batteries.

Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: picowatt on November 18, 2016, 05:42:40 PM
Good to hear from you PW
Hope all is well.


Brad

Still kicking about...

Regarding the description in the patent being discussed, and even more so the claims, his intent appears to be to patent the use of specific curvature radii (i.e., larger) to prevent or control unintended discharges (or, with a smaller radius, provide a specific breakdown point).

PW
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 05:45:04 PM
If it's pretty simple,why has no one done it ?.

The voltage potential exist,and gains in potential as you gain in altitude--but there is next to no current,and this has been proven.

Now,tap into a lightning bolt,and then you have some power.

PW just explained where the P/input is,and it is also stated as so in the patent.
All of Tesla's devices had a power input,that was supplied by generators or batteries.

Brad

 Ok that is good. Your getting there...
 Now what happens if you excite by impulse the capacitance on the top? a plasma discharge as you call it, Lightning?

 Also Like I said get away from the text it was altered by guys like you attempting to bury this. And plus if he lied to Morgan about the real aspect to this system do you think he would have funded it? How about explaining it to the Patent office? Do you think they would have gave him the patents with that description?

 By the way what is lightning? Just humor me. Plasma right? The more the plasma the higher the conduction through space right? hmmm.. More current too...

I'm of the opinion the current actually comes back into the system through the ground anyways. It is trying to flow to the very high potential on the Top load. The heavy cap/coil could be timed to open just after the spark to ground to capture real current and use it in another system attached to the receiving cap and then back to ground as a ground loop.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 18, 2016, 05:56:27 PM
Ok that is good. Your getting there...
 Now what happens if you excite by impulse the capacitance on the top? Lightning?

 



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Also Like I said get away from the text it was altered by guys like you attempting to bury this.

As i said,i stick to the truth about Tesla's work.
If what you say is true,and you have such a great understanding of Tesla's work--why are you still here?--why are you not bathing in $100.00 bill's ,counting your millions?--why has no one to date,with all of the much higher quality equipment,been able to replicate this simple !free energy! device?.

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By the way what is lightning? Just humor me.

The buildup of charge in particles,due to there motion in relation to each other.
Once that charge's potential is great enough,it discharges,either through the cloud of charged particle's it self,or to the ground.
The original source of the energy(the generator) is the sun,which creates both the wind to give rise to the motion,and evaporation.

Non of Tesla's devices dissipated more energy than they consumed.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 18, 2016, 06:02:05 PM
A long while ago I was discovering like many of you the concept of stereograms. One example: https://stereogramsworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/stereogram43.jpg

Many remember getting help for the first time and the help was “how to look” at the picture, not “what to see”. That last part was ensured by design once one could quit his usual way of looking and allowed himself to the new perspective.

Picture from 568,179 delivers the same. Tesla knew his position was against the scientific community and embedded his research in his patents.

Brad, I am afraid your attitude put you into such situation you'll find hard to ask for help. So enjoy the colored spots!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 06:15:36 PM
 
 Listen I'm not here to make money. I'm not selling a damn thing but what is laid out before ye.

 I would never take this discovery and claim it as my own to parse out to the ones I thought were deserving of it. Tesla gave this to ALL of us. Others like you, instead of learning and experimenting on this instead bash and bible thump your way through this. Not thinking outside of the box and only sticking to the written word to figure things out. This is basically our own (Societies) fault. We have stopped teaching critical thinking and instead just believe what they tell us. Instead of looking at something as it is, you must be led down the primrose path to our own destruction.
 Tesla could not come right out and discuss this. He tried that and was buried because of it. So what does a genius do when others are using money to stand in the way? You leak it out in plain sight. Patent after patent he is showing us the real method to harness the natural flows around us. Look at the diagram and see what it truly is. It is an oscillator that runs off of the potential between the earth and the atmosphere. His new Niagara Falls. This one aspect is the source to extract energy from the environment that is already flowing all around us. He actually enhances the flow from the highly charged ionosphere down to his tower and into the ground with an oscillator built like a lawn sprinkler. This thing will flutter away so fast that he could add all of it up and disruptively discharge it into a load transformer and to the ground from one terminal of the cap.

 The tower is the input no matter what you say.
 And you admitted that already. The +20Kv and zero volt ground is the potential difference and the spark gap is the control mechanism. The coil/cap is a take off point that can be discharged into the ground to pull in extra "electrons" in a ground loop, it actually borrows them and feeds them back after going into the ground.
 
 Oh by the way care to show me the pictures of an "electron" as proof? Still waiting on that one. Kinda ridiculous if you ask me..
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 18, 2016, 06:46:25 PM

 So enjoy the colored spots!



It would be a nice picture if it wasn't for all those damned black lines running through it ;D


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: jbignes5 on November 18, 2016, 07:01:32 PM
 
 Just for giggles,

 http://amasci.com/freenrg/arrhenus.html

 This is a great diatribe on the problem. And I will back out of this conversation. I'm sorry for derailing this for so long.

 As for proof well it's slowly coming.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 19, 2016, 01:12:35 AM

 Listen I'm not here to make money. I'm not selling a damn thing but what is laid out before ye.

 I would never take this discovery and claim it as my own to parse out to the ones I thought were deserving of it. Tesla gave this to ALL of us. Others like you, instead of learning and experimenting on this instead bash and bible thump your way through this. Not thinking outside of the box and only sticking to the written word to figure things out. This is basically our own (Societies) fault. We have stopped teaching critical thinking and instead just believe what they tell us. Instead of looking at something as it is, you must be led down the primrose path to our own destruction.
 Tesla could not come right out and discuss this. He tried that and was buried because of it. So what does a genius do when others are using money to stand in the way? You leak it out in plain sight. Patent after patent he is showing us the real method to harness the natural flows around us. Look at the diagram and see what it truly is. It is an oscillator that runs off of the potential between the earth and the atmosphere. His new Niagara Falls. This one aspect is the source to extract energy from the environment that is already flowing all around us. He actually enhances the flow from the highly charged ionosphere down to his tower and into the ground with an oscillator built like a lawn sprinkler. This thing will flutter away so fast that he could add all of it up and disruptively discharge it into a load transformer and to the ground from one terminal of the cap.

 The tower is the input no matter what you say.
 And you admitted that already. The +20Kv and zero volt ground is the potential difference and the spark gap is the control mechanism. The coil/cap is a take off point that can be discharged into the ground to pull in extra "electrons" in a ground loop, it actually borrows them and feeds them back after going into the ground.
 
 Oh by the way care to show me the pictures of an "electron" as proof? Still waiting on that one. Kinda ridiculous if you ask me..

Now Eric Dollard was a Tesla guru-and a big one,and he has been studying his(Tesla's) work since grade school.
He too is still broke,and not one single free energy device has emerged from all of Eric's hard work that is based around Tesla's designs.
Now,against Eric,you are small fry,and yet here you sit,thinking you know it all,and understand all of Tesla's work. But the true fact is,and this may hurt(as the truth often dose),you too have nothing to show,or to back up your claims.

So let's put this to rest.
I challenge you to build one of Tesla's free energy devices you claim he had.
It need only put out a mere 10 watts of power-that's it,just 10 watts of power.

In fact,i will make it even easier for you. Lets drop the output down to just a single,continuous watt of power from the output of your Tesla device--just one single watt ;)

Remember,it has to be from one of your self acclaimed !Tesla! free energy devices,where the energy is pulled from the potential difference between the ground and atmosphere-->just one single continuous watt  ;)

So,are you going to be a man,and take the challenge,or are you going to be an Erfinder,and back away from any challenge presented to you.

You made the claim,and so now it is up to you to back up your claim.

My prediction is ,you will pull an Erfinder,and run with your tail tucked between your legs.

One watt--thats all.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 19, 2016, 01:16:55 AM
A long while ago I was discovering like many of you the concept of stereograms. One example: https://stereogramsworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/stereogram43.jpg

Many remember getting help for the first time and the help was “how to look” at the picture, not “what to see”. That last part was ensured by design once one could quit his usual way of looking and allowed himself to the new perspective.

Picture from 568,179 delivers the same. Tesla knew his position was against the scientific community and embedded his research in his patents.

Brad, I am afraid your attitude put you into such situation you'll find hard to ask for help. So enjoy the colored spots!

My attitude is always one of !i call bullshit!,when it come's to Tesla guru's that portray his work as something it was not.

Feel free to join junior in my 1 watt challenge  ;D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 19, 2016, 01:36:35 AM

 Just for giggles,

 http://amasci.com/freenrg/arrhenus.html

 This is a great diatribe on the problem. And I will back out of this conversation. I'm sorry for derailing this for so long.

 As for proof well it's slowly coming.

Quote:
"You who make a policy of automatically rejecting 'crazy' ideas without first giving them a fair hearing, you would have joined the experts in 1905 who refused to view the Wright Flyer in action, and whose continuing public ridicule eventually forced the Wrights to abandon the USA and move to France."

Now see,that is where i am different.

You build your !Wright Flyer!,and i !will! be there with open eye's.

What im not into,is people like your self,making claims they can never back up.
You see,the Wright brothers could back up there claim's,but i bet your claims will remain just word's,and your !flyer! will never fly.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 19, 2016, 04:09:47 AM
Feel free to join junior in my 1 watt challenge  ;D

Thank you but I have another personal challenge.
Afterall as you say, this is YOUR 1watt challenge.
Have fun!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Meta on November 19, 2016, 07:42:35 AM
" The tower is the input no matter what you say."
Tinman

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The tower is a receiver, not the source.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 19, 2016, 11:48:30 AM
" The tower is the input no matter what you say."
Tinman

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The tower is a receiver, not the source.

Well that being the case,feel free to join in on the 1 watt challenge.

Will you be one of the Tesla guru's to back up your claim,or will you fade of into the distance like the other Tesla guru's?

BTW
The tower is a receiver of what?-->what is the energy source?


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 19, 2016, 11:49:21 AM
Thank you but I have another personal challenge.


Ah-ok  ::)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 19, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
Brad, despite your declared wish to work towards increasing Lenz effects, you just made it perfectly clear that you don't really have an interest in Lenz at all.
To the proposed scrutiny of the picture from patent  568,179 you have no opinion that's perfectly clear again. Instead you use Tesla's tower as a hook to derail the focus of everyone towards your 1w BS challenge. I could think that you have the attention span of a toddler, but I rather say your ego is desperate for the spot light. Go wind something, show it on youtube and answer the fans' questions as a method of quantifying the number of followers.
To me with great discomfort, you represent the typology which gave reason to Sartre to forcefully admit in writing “The story of a life, whichever it may be, is the story of a failure.”
Your ego is grotesque, please keep it in leash and spare us of meaningless brain farts. If there is nothing to be said of any value, please have decency to let this thread die gracefully.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 19, 2016, 09:22:20 PM
Was messing around with the Igniter circuit on sim just to try some things.

When we connect the batt, large inductance and cap in series, there is an initial oscillation. So the beginning of that oscillation, current moves forward through the inductor to the cap. This generally peaks well above input voltage. So we could think that when the cap peaks, that is when we hit the switch and dump the cap into the primary, and cycle from there.  So probably not much there for the pickins.  But then as I played, I noticed something that may be very different.....

When we initially connect the source, the oscillation begins. power out from source, through inductor and into cap, so energy used from the source is available in the cap at + peak. But what if we let the oscillation cycle go on before we take from the cap. What if we let the initial oscillation cycle go until we have a neg peak in the cap before we discharge? :o The cap will have almost as much neg peak as was the first pos peak, but during the neg cycle, the second half of the initial oscillation cycle sent energy back to the source. So in this case, did we get more out than in? ;) Think on it..

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 19, 2016, 10:31:39 PM
Was messing around with the Igniter circuit on sim just to try some things.

When we connect the batt, large inductance and cap in series, there is an initial oscillation. So the beginning of that oscillation, current moves forward through the inductor to the cap. This generally peaks well above input voltage. So we could think that when the cap peaks, that is when we hit the switch and dump the cap into the primary, and cycle from there.  So probably not much there for the pickins.  But then as I played, I noticed something that may be very different.....

When we initially connect the source, the oscillation begins. power out from source, through inductor and into cap, so energy used from the source is available in the cap at + peak. But what if we let the oscillation cycle go on before we take from the cap. What if we let the initial oscillation cycle go until we have a neg peak in the cap before we discharge? :o The cap will have almost as much neg peak as was the first pos peak, but during the neg cycle, the second half of the initial oscillation cycle sent energy back to the source. So in this case, did we get more out than in? ;) Think on it..

Mags

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=36&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880712&CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A#
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 19, 2016, 11:27:40 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=36&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880712&CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=36&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880712&CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A#)

Not sure that is the same as I explained.

This is a quote from the pat you have shown....

"Thus a magnetic pulse can be created via the inductor, while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."

1 This means it it not the same as I have said, "while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."

2  In your case, the intention is to produce a magnetic pulse, of which if the pulse is absorbed by its intended target, the oscillation will be reduced quickly, as the target is the load. So we lose to the load before we did anything about it.


In my case we have to count on the inductor to be free of any magnetic drains and the cap going full peak in the first phase of the initial wave and then letting the cycle go full reversal before taking from the cap. No diodes so far, just a controlled switching at the neg peak.
If the inductor and cap are very good quality and low ohm loss, the second half of the initial wave cycle will be sending energy back to the source until neg peak.

If we have little loss in doing so, MOST of what was in the cap when dumped to load should be more than what was taken in total from the source within the full 270deg cycle.

This is just a one shot experiment at this time. Thinking on a micro controller to govern the operation to best efficiency, monitoring for neg peaks, etc.

Dunno yet but it seems plausible.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Magluvin on November 19, 2016, 11:48:41 PM
Hmm. the cap voltage never goes neg. It peaks to what the inductor sends it to and when current flows back to the source and stops the cap is at 0v.  Looking for a possible way around that.

Mags
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on November 20, 2016, 12:55:26 AM
Hi Mags,

A youtuber, debunkified, did some tests on a series RLC circuit and a push button, he labeled it the Single Pulse Experiment, see here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qDccTUsF40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qDccTUsF40)  This is basically a kind of charge transfer from a battery to a low value capacitor.
I drew a schematic on his simple circuit. His ON time is enough to reach the 5*L/R time constant and the energy stored in the coil also has time to charge the 82uF cap to a higher level than the battery voltage via the diode before he releases the push button (this is what he tested with different cap values).  This can be true and in case he releases the button say earlier than the 5*L/R time lapses and the normal charge current can go into the capacitor from the battery (while the coil also accumulates input energy due to the increasing current), then there must be a spark when he interrupts coil current and the voltage spike created can charge up the capacitor via the plasma-like spark as the contacts just start moving away from each other. But his ON time is tested to damp the coil energy into the capacitor. (I forgot to include the DC resistance of the coil in series with it in the circuit, it was 8 Ohm.)
Maybe this is still not what you wish though...   8)

Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 20, 2016, 01:56:04 AM

To the proposed scrutiny of the picture from patent  568,179 you have no opinion that's perfectly clear again. Instead you use Tesla's tower as a hook to derail the focus of everyone towards your 1w BS challenge. I could think that you have the attention span of a toddler, but I rather say your ego is desperate for the spot light. Go wind something, show it on youtube and answer the fans' questions as a method of quantifying the number of followers.

Your ego is grotesque, please keep it in leash and spare us of meaningless brain farts. If there is nothing to be said of any value, please have decency to let this thread die gracefully.

Was it i that bought up Tesla's transmitting towers as a free energy device?--no
Was it i that made the claim that they are free energy devices ?--no
Has Erfinder bought anything of value to the table,regarding a Lenz free generator ?--no
Will those here that claim to understand Tesla's work,build one of Tesla's devices,that put's out a single continuous watt of power--no

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To me with great discomfort, you represent the typology which gave reason to Sartre to forcefully admit in writing “The story of a life, whichever it may be, is the story of a failure.”

Isnt it always the case?,when those here, ask those that know it all, to back up there claim,always end up being the bad guy  ::)

Failure comes from those that claim it all,but deliver nothing.
The truth dose not come from claim's--it comes from fact's,and fact's only become's truth's when proof is provided.

Here is another man that has solved Tesla's secret,and can !amplify! power by 5000%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y&t=756s

Lucky for us,Jim supplied P/in-P/out numbers for us,and his efficiency was only around 7%--where is the 5000% amplified power?

There are people like you, Jbignes5, Erfinder, Meta,that make many claims,but run from any challenge to back up those claims,and then there are those that like to deal in fact's,like myself, Ron, Mag's- ETC.
But of course,those that like dealing with fact's,are always the bad guy's-right?.

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Brad, despite your declared wish to work towards increasing Lenz effects, you just made it perfectly clear that you don't really have an interest in Lenz at all.

Couldnt be further from the truth.
I can only guess that you have gotten lost in all the claim's being made by the guru's,that you keep missing point's being made toward using (what you call)Lenz,to increase the efficiency of electromotive machines.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 20, 2016, 03:03:27 AM
Do you want free energy?
1. if your answer is "no", then you may stop reading now and ask yourself what are you doing here.
2. if your answer is "yes, absolutely free as in the air we breath, I don't wanna pay for anything!!!!".... then it comes another question: why would you care about Pin/Pout? Think for a while and come to peace with the voice of reason...
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Meta on November 20, 2016, 11:48:24 AM
The tower is a receiver, not the source.
Meta.

Well that being the case,feel free to join in on the 1 watt challenge.

Will you be one of the Tesla guru's to back up your claim,or will you fade of into the distance like the other Tesla guru's?

BTW
The tower is a receiver of what?-->what is the energy source?


Brad

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The tower was a receiver of the energy of abrupt, spark caused, repeated collapsing of space at high voltage and high frequency.....ie, highly frequent (high frequency),  impulses, high frequency discharges, as high voltage spikes, which is what you fail to exploit.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 20, 2016, 12:39:03 PM
Not sure that is the same as I explained.

This is a quote from the pat you have shown....

"Thus a magnetic pulse can be created via the inductor, while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."

1 This means it it not the same as I have said, "while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."

2  In your case, the intention is to produce a magnetic pulse, of which if the pulse is absorbed by its intended target, the oscillation will be reduced quickly, as the target is the load. So we lose to the load before we did anything about it.


In my case we have to count on the inductor to be free of any magnetic drains and the cap going full peak in the first phase of the initial wave and then letting the cycle go full reversal before taking from the cap. No diodes so far, just a controlled switching at the neg peak.
If the inductor and cap are very good quality and low ohm loss, the second half of the initial wave cycle will be sending energy back to the source until neg peak.

If we have little loss in doing so, MOST of what was in the cap when dumped to load should be more than what was taken in total from the source within the full 270deg cycle.

This is just a one shot experiment at this time. Thinking on a micro controller to govern the operation to best efficiency, monitoring for neg peaks, etc.

Dunno yet but it seems plausible.

Mags

"no-load" and "load"- condition :
In your case, the intention is to produce a magnetic pulse, of which if the pulse is absorbed by its intended target, the oscillation will be reduced quickly, as the target is the load. So we lose to the load before we did anything about it.

                Is the energy system not a closed cycle ? What kind of energy (e-m-k-f) from electricity is transformed("lost") ?
                                                       Which can becomed feed-backed ? minimum: partial !

http://overunity.com/3605/theory-on-tpu-energy-scource/msg495061/#msg495061 (http://overunity.com/3605/theory-on-tpu-energy-scource/msg495061/#msg495061)   answer 143-147
and Thane Heins Transformer BiTT coil technique ,if you only want to administrate the electrostatic energy part

But how do you will work out a power saving system/circuit up to a loop system without to organize a magnetic energy part conditioning concept ?

Here are only listened some step-by-step improvements not a ready-to-use idea !  ;) divide et impera

very interestant : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67AD2xBz7xw     (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67AD2xBz7xw)
                            2:44 the left/right cones their surface area relationship                Lever-factor ?!

and going to the MEG http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm) espacenet citing documents :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=6362718B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=&date=20020326&DB=&locale= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=6362718B1&KC=B1&FT=D&ND=&date=20020326&DB=&locale=)

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&FT=D&date=20160602&CC=DE&NR=102014017612A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&FT=D&date=20160602&CC=DE&NR=102014017612A1&KC=A1#)

[0020]    Stellen wir uns dazu einen Würfel (= cube or ;) cone )vor. In einer Achsrichtung der Hauptfluß Phi-H und senkrecht dazu der Steuerfluß Phi-S.

 [0021]    Bei einem Material mit ausgeprägtem Sättigungsknick bringt Phi-S den Würfel in die Sättigung, und wenn als Wechselfluß, dann abwechselnd in die positive Sättigung und in die negative usw. Dementsprechend wird Phi-H jeweils gesperrt bzw. durchgelassen.

 [0022]    Und wieder muß die Frage gestellt werden: Wie ist der Aufwand für PH-S im Vergleich zu den erzielbaren Änderungen von Phi-H?

 [0023]    Bei dem Würfel mit gleichen Kantenlängen gilt Ph-H max + Ph-S max = Konst.

 [0024]    Bei Ph-S = 0 kann Phi-H = max. sein und bei Ph-S = max. muß Phi-H = 0 sein.

 [0025]    Das ist aber insofern noch kein Gewinn.  ??? :'( :-\

 [0026]    Das Ziel ist Phi-S << Phi-H.  ::) fi-lou ?

 [0027]    Und das erreicht man, wenn man die Flächen mit einbezieht.  ;)

 [0028]    Die Induktion B, d. h. die Flußdichte ist nämlich das entscheidene Kriterium.  8)

 [0029]    Erinnert sei an die Hystereseschleife, bei der die Induktion B in Abhängigkeit von der Feldstärke H dargestellt wird.

 [0030]    Für beide Richtungen gilt jeweils für die Querschnittflächen FH und FS:
Phi-H max = Bmax × FH und Phi-S max = Bmax × FS.

 [0031]    Aufgelöst nach Bmax: Phi-H max/FH = Phi-S max/FS oder Phi-H max/Phi-S max = FH/FS.

 [0032]    Jetzt haben wir den gesuchten Gewinn! `(  8) Doll! H`EUREKA 8) )

                 Entspricht wohl dem Radius-differentem Mantelflaechenverhalten eines Wind-/Wasser-Fluss uebersetzenden Rotor !



Let us to a cube (or cone) before. In an axial direction of the main flux Phi-H and perpendicular to the control flow Phi-S.  [0021]   
For a material with a pronounced kink saturation Phi-S brings the cube into saturation, and when the alternating flux, then alternately in the positive and in the negative saturation etc. Accordingly Phi-H is respectively blocked or allowed to pass.  [0022]   
And again the question must be asked: What is the cost of PH-S compared to the recoverable change of Phi H?  [0023]   
In the same cube with edge lengths Ph-H max + Ph-S applies max = const.  [0024]   
In Ph-S = 0 can Phi-H = max. be and Ph-S = max. must be = 0 Phi-H.  [0025]   
But that is so far still no profit.  [0026]   
The goal is Ph-S << Phi-H.  [0027]   
And that can be achieved if one includes the surfaces with.  [0028]   
The induction B, d. H. The flux density is in fact the decisive criterion.  [0029]   
Recall the hysteresis loop in which the induction B is shown as a function of the field strength H.  [0030]   
each applies to both directions for the cross-sectional areas FH and FS: Phi-H max = Bmax × FH and Phi S max = Bmax × FS.  [0031]   
Solving for Bmax: Phi-H max / FH = Phi-S max / FS or Phi-H max / Phi-S max = FH / FS. [0032]   
Now we have this win!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 20, 2016, 01:40:26 PM


________________________________________________

The tower was a receiver of the energy of abrupt, spark caused, repeated collapsing of space at high voltage and high frequency.....ie, highly frequent (high frequency),  impulses, high frequency discharges, as high voltage spikes, which is what you fail to exploit.

Oh dear  ::)


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 20, 2016, 06:47:12 PM

 We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.  We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it.  Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take.  The vision was the self acting machine.  An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.

Regards


Yet when I called it, "the background field", you said no that was not it, are you just making up your own name for it?


Is not what you are talking about, the Back ground field, Chi, Prana, Ether,Orgon? We have read Wilhelm Reich.


Ron





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 20, 2016, 08:58:12 PM

  Not sure who you refer when you say "we have read....",



You have multiple persona, why can't I?


 
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We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.

Sounds like aether to me

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 20, 2016, 11:20:38 PM
To each his own....
 
I suppose it would to you.....good luck with that.


George Carlin said it best, "never argue with an idiot, they will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience"

So why do I persist? because I really do enjoy humour, shaggy dog, catch 22 etc and you are a positive delight, you say one thing one day and deny it the next, it is priceless. You talk about nothing and when I say oh yeah, I know a bit about nothing, you say, no you don't know nothing about the nothing I am talking about. More please!   :D

Ron 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 20, 2016, 11:46:05 PM
I said no, and since it wasn't clear the first time.....No....there I said it again.  No....I am not making up my own name for it.  That to which I refer already has a name.


Nope....  I am not talking about Chi, Prana, Aether, or Orgone. 

My focus is on motor-generators.....the aforenamed, and your "background field" have nothing to do with what I am sharing.


"--- have nothing to do with what I am sharing"  ... an oxymoron?


Anyway I am certainly glad "we" are getting this narrowed down... it is none of the above. OK, that leaves just one thing that I was hesitant about opining... angel dust! yes that must be it, 87 pages and our first big clue, angel dust, now that explains everything, wow

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 12:29:47 AM

 on second thought, it just occurred to me, I'm slow.... came to me in a blinding flash, I got nothing, but you knew that.


Now why didn't I think of that? yeesh, here all along I had this premonition that you were on to something --- nothing to be concerned about though, my lips are sealed, I'll never tell.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 12:59:01 AM

 you've been in the game a few decades, we should be looking to you for guidance.  Must suck not having it after all that time....  I am one decade in, and am doing everything I can to ensure I do not find myself in your position.


To be serious for a moment I may have decades on you but I have only been on youtube since 2006, one decade. I have 307 subscribers and 212,103 views --- for a know nothing country boy I am flabbergasted. I have had a verified COP 2.3.

So I am quite comfortable with myself, I am not trying to prove anything. I am still here, in good health, nearly all the marbles I started with and good family, good friends --- is there something else in life?

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on November 21, 2016, 01:13:38 AM
What's the best layout for a generator you can build?
What's the most out, you can get for the most you put in?
You can't have any out without Lenz, It is part of the out. |It's part of the action.
Tesla was smart , he channeled the negative to help his input
But you will always need a source.
Solar and Wind , If their not there , Were Screwed.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 04:58:05 PM

  I ask people to try and separate themselves from whatever it is that is limiting their vision, and this so that we may take a step towards the future....together.  This no longer applies to you as you have me figured out....  You recognize that I have nothing, and I am onto nothing.



You do love to put your ideas into other peoples minds about how they think don't you?

Do you really think that if I thought you had "nothing", i would still be dinking around with you?

Do you see me joshing with Matt???

The purpose of the locker room banter was just to damp down your paranoia and put you at your ease.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 06:34:18 PM
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
...


I never said you had nothing. What I said was in 87 pages you have presented nothing.

Trouble with your first language? Perhaps a remedial English course would be of help to you?

Waiting...........................................................

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 21, 2016, 07:49:22 PM

I never said you had nothing. What I said was in 87 pages you have presented nothing.


You have been informed that something new has been presented:
First, Ron in the name of dire state of humanity you played the obscurantism card and when presented with a real schematic you perform canucks yodeling? Taking a pause from learning maybe?

Maybe at the time you were bantering in the locker room whit Matt (??who doesn't know who Matt is??) getting ready for soap games in the shower room… But that's OK, you know that I am just joshing with you, I know kibitzing is a hard task especially when all day is dedicated counting personal balls (or marbles if you prefer).

Keep waiting and meanwhile you may have a nap if you feel like, I'll cover for you.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 21, 2016, 08:37:13 PM
You have been informed that something new has been presented:
Maybe at the time you were bantering in the locker room whit Matt (??who doesn't know who Matt is??) getting ready for soap games in the shower room… But that's OK, you know that I am just joshing with you, I know kibitzing is a hard task especially when all day is dedicated counting personal balls (or marbles if you prefer).

Keep waiting and meanwhile you may have a nap if you feel like, I'll cover for you.


Gosh I am overwhelmed, here I hardly know you and you are making me an offer I can't refuse! Please do that.

Now if I can only hope for a reply from jbigness5 I will be one happy camper.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 06:42:19 AM

Maybe at the time you were bantering in the locker room whit Matt (??who doesn't know who Matt is??) getting ready for soap games in the shower room… But that's OK, you know that I am just joshing with you, I know kibitzing is a hard task especially when all day is dedicated counting personal balls (or marbles if you prefer).

Keep waiting and meanwhile you may have a nap if you feel like, I'll cover for you.

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You have been informed that something new has been presented:

And this presentation is where exactly ?.

The rest of your post is just garbage.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 06:44:49 AM

I never said you had nothing. What I said was in 87 pages you have presented nothing.

Trouble with your first language? Perhaps a remedial English course would be of help to you?

Waiting...........................................................

Ron


Lol

Ohhhh-bang--- what come's around,go's around  :D

And here it was Erfinder that thought it was me that needed some English lessons lol.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 07:16:32 AM
 Erfinder said

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you've been in the game a few decades, we should be looking to you for guidance.  Must suck not having it after all that time....  I am one decade in, and am doing everything I can to ensure I do not find myself in your position.


Ron replied


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To be serious for a moment I may have decades on you but I have only been on youtube since 2006, one decade. I have 307 subscribers and 212,103 views --- for a know nothing country boy I am flabbergasted. I have had a verified COP 2.3.

So I am quite comfortable with myself, I am not trying to prove anything. I am still here, in good health, nearly all the marbles I started with and good family, good friends --- is there something else in life?

Erfinder replied

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It's ok to have cheerleaders, if you're into cheerleaders.

Hmm

I see them(cheerleaders) as supporters,and people interested in your work.

Looking at Erfinders youtube channel
18 subscribers
467 views
4 video's

Well,thats one channel anyway.

So i been at this since 2011--6 years.
9596 subscribers
2,988,855 views

But we are all small fry  :'(

Lets look at Colinfurze for example
He just build's stuff,and loves doing it.
Stats for him
Joined Nov 15, 2006
3,900,314 subscribers
399,876,625 views
His estimated income from youtube last year was $541,400--all for having the time of his life  :)

There are youtubers that earn in excess of $3,000,000 a year-and one of them is a woman who dose nothing more than unbox new toys that just come on the market--the kids love it.

We (the FE group) are not going to make a living from youtube doing what we do--i make less than what the projects cost.
Most of us do it because we want to share what we have,along with the things we find along the way. Showing others different ways of doing thing's,and sharing ideas with each other.

This is something you lack Erfinder,and your co-horts of Tesla guru's,that make claims they never back up.

Your youtube channel reflects your nothingness.
The last 90 odd pages here on this thread reflects your nothingness.

The next 90 pages will reflect just the same from you.

No need to belittle other's,when you are so small your self.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: penno64 on November 22, 2016, 07:43:11 AM
Hi Brad,

Any chance of more info on the RT3?

That device has me so intrigued

Penno
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 09:13:45 AM
 author=Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg496160#msg496160 date=1479799125]

 
 

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All this time you have put in in motor generator research, and you have yet to come across any of the phenomena I demonstrate.

And there in lies the problem--!what! have you demonstrated ?

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It's crystal clear now what your motivation is.
My videos aren't monetized, never have been and I don't have any immediate plans to do so in the future, I cannot say the same for you.  If I want to generate an income from this stuff, I will show what you never will, and ask for assistance via the proper channels.

Lol-generate an income.
OK,my last payment for a period of 42 day's,was $38.41  :D

Now,im not sure where or how you live,but i made in 42 days from youtube,what i make in one hour at work.Then come tax time,that money earned from youtube is also included in my yearly income. We pay 46 cents in the dollar on any second income-which youtube is. So subtract another 46% from that $38.41,and then you have what i actually make from youtube--not looking so great now,is it?.
As i said,the money that comes in from youtube,dose not even pay for the parts needed to do the experiment in the first place,and here you are,trying to infer that i am only out to generate an income lol.

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My youtube numbers reflect that I am not trying to bullshit anyone, they reflect that for me, it's not about showmanship, or appealing to and or identifying with the mob.

Your youtube video's show nothing,explain nothing,and inform no one of anything--this is the biggest problem with you Erfinder,and has been since the days of IAEC.

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I am not here to entertain anyone. 
I am not here to give people something to do. 
I am not here to prove anything to anyone. 
I am not here to give people what they want, or what they think they want.

Then why are you here,if not to share what you know with others ?

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  What I want to give, I give, my way.

But you have given nothing but riddles.
This is why i nicked named you !the riddler!

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Folk obsess over Lenz, I empathize with them, I offered a suggestion, presented it in the form of a machine which could assist them in understanding what Lenz really is, and what we must learn to do with it. It was ignored, because there wasn't enough meat on the bone.  People need details they can stew and chew on.  I informed them that it is not my task to provide them with the details they require.  I then suggested that they attempt to fill in the blanks themselves, not as a guessing game, but as a personal challenge

And there in is the problem--no one knows what you are trying to show,as you do not give the required information needed to decipher your riddles.

Perhaps we could ask if anyone on this thread ,has been able to work out what you are trying to show---anyone?
And lets see if they get it right.

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There are so many people trying to tell us what to do, and so few trying to assist us in remembering what we can do for ourselves, assuming we are prepared to take responsibility for our lack of understanding.


It's very hard to learn from some one who wishes not to teach,but rather insist that the student becomes there own teacher--but they must come up with the same answer that the teacher that refuses to teach has come up with  :D

 
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I have mentioned that from my perspective, we are dealing with two specific energy storage mechanism, made suggestions regarding specific geometric relations that these storage mechanisms have within our designs.  I suggested that here is where we must focus more attention.....ignored.

What and where are these storage mechanisms within the electromagnetic machine.
There have been a few who said,the storage mechanism is the magnetic field,and the capacitive field within the machine,but anything anyone present's,you disagree with--so who knows.

 
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There was a time when I felt you were on the path, during this period, I felt you had what it takes to be out in the front leading the charge....I know better now.

A place i dont wish to be--out in the open anyway.
Although i am just about to !once again! put myself in that position.

The difference between you and me is-i give straight answer's,and you play batman's adversary-the riddler.
Maybe that is all you wish to be seen as?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Hi Brad,

Any chance of more info on the RT3?

That device has me so intrigued

Penno

Here is the problem with that Penno

1st-one of the persons that was helping me with that,has moved to another place,and the other-well,we dont see eye to eye on a lot of thing's needed to understand the workings of the RT--now im starting to sound like Erfinder  ::).
2nd--the brushes do not last very long-maybe 50 hour's.
3rd--the PM losses it's magnetism within 28 hours running under full load,and so the cost of replacing the PM,is far higher than what the power produced was worth.

So,there is no point in me providing complete detail's,and have others spend money on something that still has bug's to be ironed out.
When i find some one suitable to take on the task,then i will continue with it.
But for now,it remains buried.

But all is not lost,as ATM,i am putting the working principle to use ,in HHO production.
There you will see how large bucking magnetic fields can be produced by coil shorting in the right conditions. This energy gained from field bucking,is then sent to the HHO cell,at high frequencies(as far as generators go),and rides within the DC offset AC current within the cell,which also happens to be both a capacitor,a resistor,and a reactor.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: penno64 on November 22, 2016, 10:48:46 AM
Hi Brad,

Thanks for the honesty and detail.

I have been following your vids on hho.

Regards, Penno
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 11:13:40 AM

You can call me riddler if it suits you....I will continue to call you blind not because it suits me, rather..it is a reflection of reality. 


You think you know, and don't, your latest brain fart with the bucking fields in that HHO contraption.....hilarious.  That Tesla circuit I mentioned, the one you tell us we aren't authorized to speculate on....if you knew what could be done with it, you wouldn't be preparing to entertain the masses with yet another dead end.  You (not you specifically, you are years away from recognizing truth) would give credit where it's due, you would acknowledge those who knew, see "the" example, (the Tesla circuit) and its influence on them.

Lets see how this pans out Erfinder.
Lets mark this post(and your reply post) as a reference.

Question
Do you know what Faradays limit is,when it comes to producing HHO,by quoting it as the MMW value-- Milliliters per Minute-per Watt
Post up your answer,and we will set that answer of yours as the benchmark.

Then we will see how my HHO system pans out against your posted limit  ;)

If i fail to surpass that limit you post,then you have the right to call my system another brainfart idea.
If i beat your limit,then you may make a formal apology to me-right here on this thread.

How's that sound?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 12:33:54 PM

Reference to what?  No specifics were addressed or pointed out, I made a statement, specifically, I called your attempt hilarious.


I have no interest in your little thoughtless challenges brad. Information is the name of the game, and we are all sitting on a mountain of free info, that being said, if I didn't know, how would you truly know I didn't.  What caught my eye was your reference to bucking fields.....  I was intrigued by how little thought you invested in your hypothesis before you presented it to your fans, you know, those folk who praise you prematurely, or for no good reason.  It seems that today the mission is to perpetuate ignorance.  Some say I am at the forefront of that movement.  Fuck those folk. 


Shorting one of the windings in a transformer results in the inductance dropping in the other winding.....   I recall saying this before.....I recall demonstrating this, yes, it was in a useless presentation I made, and offered the community as food for thought.  The dropping of inductance means or at the very least suggests, that more of the available energy is delivered to the load, and less energy is "stored" in the systems (the coil) opposition to change mechanism.  You quite literally decrease the level of "negative" influence that Lenz's law has on the operating circuit.  That and not this bucking brainfart is square one.  This isn't to say that the field developed in the secondary does not augment the primary, however, when we consider the the impedance of the secondary, and add to this the insanely high DC resistance of the secondary in question (cough MOT), one voices the question, in tears, WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS GUY GOING ON ABOUT!  (note there is no question mark....)



Not intersted in your cheesy, comparison.....if for no other reason, you don't see what one in your position must see by now.....sad sad sad.



If you fail, you failed.  If you beat the limit, woppty fucking dooo...., sun shines on a dogs ass too, it's still a brainfart.

I see you once again avoid stepping up to your own conviction's-but nothing out of the ordinary there.

I would also suggest that you brush up on what takes place in a bucking field situation,as saying that the primaries inductance value drops,is pretty useless.
Why dose the inductance value drop,should be more what you are looking for.
What causes this inductance value reduction,and increase of voltage 10's of times greater than the supply voltage,and a current flow increase that exceeds that of which the generator can deliver.

You say you know Tesla's work,so use that knowledge to better your limited understandings of bucked fields,due to shorted secondaries.
Think more about what the expanding magnetic field dose,when the secondary coil is shorted,and then put that toward your small portion of the effect,you call a reduction in inductance value.

Saying that the inductance value of the primary drop's when the secondary is shorted,is like saying the wheels of a car will turn,when the car is moving--where is the force coming from that causes the car to move in the first place?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 22, 2016, 12:38:03 PM
 reply 1328:
Shorting one of the windings in a transformer results in the inductance dropping in the other winding.....   I recall saying this before.....I recall demonstrating this, yes, it was in a useless presentation I made, and offered the community as food for thought.  The dropping of inductance means or at the very least suggests, that more of the available energy is delivered to the load, and less energy is "stored" in the systems (the coil) opposition to change mechanism.  You quite literally decrease the level of "negative" influence that Lenz's law has on the operating circuit.

                                                               supplemental information (approvement ?) :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=MY&NR=137586A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20090227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=MY&NR=137586A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20090227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#)

In the course of their research, the inventors have analyzed a relationship between inductive reactance and capacitive reactance of a signal, and have noted an inverse relationship, which results from a phase difference which occurs between the voltage and the current of any signal. It is possible to depict on a unit circle a relationship between the degree of phase offset relative to zero phase (or complete coherence) and resistance and/or impedance in the signal. For each degree of phase inter-modulation offset, there is a corresponding increase in the resistance or impedance which is inherent in any signal. There is always a certain amount of inductance or capacitance, irrespective of whether explicit inductors or capacitors are used in a given circuit. Issues of inductive reactance and capacitive reactance are important, because the inventors have appreciated that the differences realized between apparent power and true power (and hence in power factor) using conventional methods of power production and utilization result from these differences in phase, caused by inaccurate calculation of and compensation for signal reactances. 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 01:31:33 PM

LOL....you really don't get it, what a waste..

The kettle is calling the pot black lol.

BTW,Faradays limit is an MMW of 9.82

Can your knowledge of the subject at hand be applied to take the MMW above this limit ?-no,not a fat chance in hell.

Can my knowledge of the subject at hand,be applied to take the MMW above this limit?-- lol,we shall see soon enough.

You really need to get something done Erfinder,and stop with all the !claiming! talk.

I see no one as of yet,has stepped in and said they know what you are talking about.

Anyway,how is that Tesla free energy device coming along?.


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 22, 2016, 02:37:10 PM
                                  oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOoooooooooooooooooooooooooMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=WO&NR=2007076615A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20070712&DB=&locale= (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citedDocuments?CC=WO&NR=2007076615A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=&date=20070712&DB=&locale=)


                                                                                         ;)

                                              for physical and mental power equalizing,from Theta-Waves down to :
                                                         http://www.dynactivsr.com/Science_And_Research.html
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 22, 2016, 03:38:39 PM
What does hho have to do with the lenzless gen ....  not a question....  I could give a damn if anyone gets what I am saying....  Tesla free energy device....  Who said anything about a Tesla free energy device.....fucking idiot......

I see the tourettes has kicked in again,along with short term memory loss.

Maybe time for your med's ?


Brad.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 22, 2016, 03:47:27 PM
With thousands upon thousands of drooling followers can you explain what happened with your Lenz project here: http://iaec.forumco.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1726 ?

Ran out of shiny wire?
That explains why an "International Alternative Energy Center" needed to set a foot into an European forum. Success is spilling amid laryngeal hunger.

If you have an itch to answer, do it with proper grammar and stay on topic.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 22, 2016, 05:17:54 PM

due try and stay on topic....


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Barbosi...If you have an itch to answer, do it with proper grammar and stay on topic


ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 12:38:28 AM

due try and stay on topic....

Please due use proppa english

Now where's tha puddy cat  :D


Brad
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 23, 2016, 08:30:44 AM
I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.

BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on November 23, 2016, 10:51:13 AM

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Barbosi quote
"I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.

BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
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Here Stefan runs a forum where people share ideas and work together to investigate energy options for the future.
a hopefully better future.

These fellows Brad and Ron are in line with the theme of this forum, their efforts should not be diminished from a chair infront of a computor screen that does nothing but type and throw popcorn while hoping and praying for failure.

Throwing popcorn/[poop] and hoping for failure is a childs game , getting out the tools and putting your hand in your own pocket for materials to build.... and sharing your research for the benefit of all ...

Thats what we do at Stefan's Place

the world needs more of this and less of the other....










Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 11:01:54 AM
You caught that....congratulations. 


Can either of you demonstrate a Low inductance, Low resistance air core generator that accelerates when loaded?  Should be a rather simple task for dudes of your skill level.

Do you mean incorporated with,and driven by a pulse motor-such as your setup--no problem at all.

Would you like P/in and P/out measurement's-just like the ones you do not supply ?.

Should i make a video of the device,that is as vague as your video's,where it shows only a spinning rotor going slightly quicker when the gen coils are loaded?--i could,but i wont do that,as i would then be the laughing stock,such as you are now,where people would just say--WTF is that crap all about--like most here do with your video's.

You still have not answered my question--why dose the inductance value drop in the primary,when the secondary is either loaded or shorted ?.
Saying that the inductance value of the primary drop's when the secondary is either loaded or shorted,just dose not cut the mustard--we all know this.
But why dose it happen ?

You have everything ass about.
With low frequency machines,you want high inductance values,and with high frequency machines,you want low inductance values.
A generator is not a high frequency machine,and so you want high inductance value's.
This is why you and your mate Jim !tha man! Murray make great bathroom heaters.

Perhap's you should look into time constant's of inductors a little more,and try and understand as to how it all works in an efficient generator.
Also work out why air core coil's are useless in generators of low frequencies.

Everyone seems to be moving forward,and here you are,going backwards--or should i say-no where,as is evident on this thread.
90 plus pages of endless,meaningless babble from you ,is all we have.


Brad



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 11:13:29 AM
I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.

BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys,

And where are your hands on contributions to what this forum is about,Mr keyboard jockey ?

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I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.

Where are your Tesla guru wannabe's,that popped in for a couple of quick post,on how they know all about the workings of Tesla's devices--where are they?

Like all self acclaimed Tesla guru's,they ran off and hid,when crunch time came  ::)
You ,and they,are all the same--so much to say,so many claim's,but never anything to show.
Your Tesla guru friend's could not even come up with 1 single watt,and yet they claim the Tesla devices would pump out KWh of free energy lol

Do you understand Erfinder's work,and what he is saying-or rather isnt.
Post your answer,and we will see if you get it right  ::)
Is there anyone here that knows and understands what Erfinder is saying ?


Brad

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 01:12:49 PM
 author=Erfinder link=topic=15307.msg496251#msg496251 date=1479896052]

 

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You say you can do it, show it or shut the fuck up.

And this is what we have been saying to you all along--but in a more adult fashion  ;)

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you are a fucking moron

I dont think your med's are working--the tourette's is winning.

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I am not here to answer your dumb ass questions, nor receive lessons from you.

 :P

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  A lame video like mine is all I require.

I'll leave the lame to you--you do it so well.  ;)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 01:14:36 PM

Speaking for myself, if you have a problem with me or my methods, then BAN ME, don't stop there, delete the entire fucking account!  I share what I want, how I want!  You don't like it, that's your damn problem.


Fuck brad, and ron.  You pat them on the ass like they are the only ones working.  Sharing every piece of shit you come up with, and copy pasting one another is not paving a path to progress, it's a display of every piece of shit you come up with, and copy pasting said shit.

An where is your path to progress ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: tinman on November 23, 2016, 01:16:06 PM
I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.

BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.

Here Barbi,i have a job for you
Can you count the dot's for me ?
That should keep you busy for a while.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: ramset on November 23, 2016, 03:04:55 PM
Erfinder

that post was not directed at you, I know I am a terrible writer and most find it hard to understand my intent .

so sometimes I just point
                                   >searching for free energy and discussing free energy
*
                                          Free Energy for free independant people<

that is my intent and why I am here.
respectfully
Chet



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 04:47:07 PM

ADMIN DELETE MY ACCOUNT! 



You must learn to be more specific --- which one, erfinder, barbosi or jbigness5???
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 05:06:57 PM
snip
so sometimes I just point
                                   >searching for free energy and discussing free energy
*
                                          Free Energy for free independant people<

that is my intent and why I am here.
respectfully
Chet


Tinman is presenting, open source, a very interesting concept over at:

http://overunity.com/16992/tinmans-over-faraday-hv-hho-production/msg496021/#new (http://overunity.com/16992/tinmans-over-faraday-hv-hho-production/msg496021/#new)

It is another one of those, "you don't know until you try", so all fellow researchers are most welcome to join us for a breath of fresh air!

Incidentally ramset, there was nothing in your post that a normal person would find offensive, so don't berate yourself. He has dramatically shown his true nature to the whole forum, sad.

Cheers,

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 23, 2016, 07:23:36 PM

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Barbosi quote
"I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.

BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
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Here Stefan runs a forum where people share ideas and work together to investigate energy options for the future.
a hopefully better future.

These fellows Brad and Ron are in line with the theme of this forum, their efforts should not be diminished from a chair infront of a computor screen that does nothing but type and throw popcorn while hoping and praying for failure.

Throwing popcorn/[poop] and hoping for failure is a childs game , getting out the tools and putting your hand in your own pocket for materials to build.... and sharing your research for the benefit of all ...

Thats what we do at Stefan's Place

the world needs more of this and less of the other....

Don't give me quotes from your arm cardio manual.
I don't eat vegetables, I eat trolls without listening to their cheese arguments.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 07:34:45 PM

You really got to learn to mind your own fucking business.....


LOL, touche' touche' why would that bother you unless it was true?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 07:41:47 PM
Don't give me quotes from your arm cardio manual.
I don't eat vegetables, I eat trolls without listening to their cheese arguments.


Just a hint but to make a successful second person believable the second person can't say the same thing as the first. The game is up when they both use identical phrases and parrot the same agenda.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

Fuck off....



See? there you go again --- you said you were?

Just one contradiction after another.

Ron


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 07:53:09 PM

FUCK OFF!


How are you keeping score here? are you just counting one point for a zinger or 10?
This is important 'cause when we post our final tally it shouldn't be too lopsided.

Just in confidence I was counting 10 for a zinger, but we need to keep the playing field reasonably level.

Ron



Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 23, 2016, 08:24:38 PM

See? there you go again --- you said you were?

Just one contradiction after another.

Ron


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What? Kibitzing is slow today? No Matt turkey patting... slow bubbling on the other corner...

No matter how hard is to swallow this I'll spoon feed you: Canucklehead you won't get anything! Live with it!
You got to dabble with the other errorist (no typo). Slow pokes forever.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 23, 2016, 09:05:17 PM
I think that any here have got too much freetime and were bad educated by his grand-/parents and teachers !

                       What might this young girl think about any "adult" members here,waiting for help ?!

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watson.ch%2FInternational%2FTwitter%2F844549224-%25C2%25ABIch-habe-Angst--dass-ich-heute-Abend-sterbe%25C2%25BB-%25E2%2580%2593-Siebenj%25C3%25A4hrige-twittert-aus-Aleppo&edit-text=

                Chance to receive help : 0-100% ? Chance to become killed : 100-0% ?

Think about the possibility that your locality could enter in (civil)war situation and that this little child will be your son or daughter !

                                                           Say never no !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 23, 2016, 11:28:46 PM
I think that any here have got too much freetime and were bad educated by his grand-/parents and teachers !

                       What might this young girl think about any "adult" members here,waiting for help ?!

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watson.ch%2FInternational%2FTwitter%2F844549224-%25C2%25ABIch-habe-Angst--dass-ich-heute-Abend-sterbe%25C2%25BB-%25E2%2580%2593-Siebenj%25C3%25A4hrige-twittert-aus-Aleppo&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.watson.ch%2FInternational%2FTwitter%2F844549224-%25C2%25ABIch-habe-Angst--dass-ich-heute-Abend-sterbe%25C2%25BB-%25E2%2580%2593-Siebenj%25C3%25A4hrige-twittert-aus-Aleppo&edit-text=)

                Chance to receive help : 0-100% ? Chance to become killed : 100-0% ?

Think about the possibility that your locality could enter in (civil)war situation and that this little child will be your son or daughter !

                                                           Say never no !


Off topic Lancal... but as the world situation is quite critical I will respond.

The link sounds just like more "white helmet" propaganda.

First you should understand that there is no civil war in Syria. Rather it is an invasion by American proxy mercenaries, trained, supplied and supported by the US, UK, France,  Germany and Israel through their cut out countries of Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

The little girl is being "bombed" by the Arab terrorists.

What we can do is to stop the terrorists funding and steady flow of lethal weapons.

Are you up to the task? Lets get the truth out.

Ron


edit:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrias-white-helmets-assad-says-the-boy-in-the-ambulance-is-fake-this-proves-it/5552367 (http://www.globalresearch.ca/syrias-white-helmets-assad-says-the-boy-in-the-ambulance-is-fake-this-proves-it/5552367)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 10:59:30 AM

Irrespective of how many ways there are, or how many methods there are, the one which matters most is never considered.


The speed of motors without sophisticated control are generally governed by the input voltage.  It is from this standpoint that I make my suggestion, specifically, we can learn to use the EMF that the motor itself is generating to augment the applied EMF.  The two already have a more or less 180° relation, here the applied dominates the induced, and we are left with a differential.  Try and see the machine from the perspective of the force operating within it.  Allow it to dictate the necessary steps for inverting the induced so that it aids the applied.  I have shown in a rather vague presentation that this is not theory, it is a reality.

But this internal -augmented/amplified- energy can only become recycled -actually- by 30% from the total input
actually this represents the "feedback cycle or resonant circuit" concept ! 

Sincerely
            OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 11:06:40 AM
Question,

How many ways can you cause a speed up of a motor by increasing the current instead of the voltage?

I know of one way using the same drive coil but are there more ways?

"a motor",here electric, as question object does not exist,everybody has to give specific details for experimental questions like DC,pulsed DC,AC because there is physical also a difference in relativistic time reaction and as next variance no-/load condition !

Sincerely
            OCWL
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 03:03:39 PM
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19981126&CC=DE&NR=29812556U1&KC=U1#)

conventional concept : generator drives motor

                                                                    experiment needed:

idea I: the above "generator output enhancer" and a motor-"generative feed back winding"
           100% -80% ( welding transformer performance ) - 30%(generator winding)  : theoretical surplus energy   

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idea II : motor input-minimizer through nichrome wire as resistor and motor"generative feed back winding" : theor. surplus


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                                                      and -intermittent- the welding transformer

from 3 Liter consume to 0,6 Liter consume,this -low consume- let us use hydrogen/CO2-recycle-(bio-)synfuels as energy carrier

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The gain in magnetic induction in the electrical device field as compared to the generator field can thus be exploited in two ways, namely one for the reduction of energy consumption in the electrical device and secondly to reduce the length of the conductor in the armature of the electrical device and thus in size and cost. 

By supplying the pure output energy of the inventive generator for the electrical device, the force generated in the system can be used to drive other, coupled with the wave machine. Since no fuel is consumed,  all types of vehicles and machines with this generator can be operated.

An electricity and kinetic force generator

Important is the relationship from 1 magnetic unit force : VA-units force (later VAr)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: web000x on November 24, 2016, 04:38:27 PM

Irrespective of how many ways there are, or how many methods there are, the one which matters most is never considered.


The speed of motors without sophisticated control are generally governed by the input voltage.  It is from this standpoint that I make my suggestion, specifically, we can learn to use the EMF that the motor itself is generating to augment the applied EMF.  The two already have a more or less 180° relation, here the applied dominates the induced, and we are left with a differential.  Try and see the machine from the perspective of the force operating within it.  Allow it to dictate the necessary steps for inverting the induced so that it aids the applied.  I have shown in a rather vague presentation that this is not theory, it is a reality.


I've been slowly solidifying my test bed and working out some kinks in design.  I'm not there fully as my method of biasing my reactors doesn't give me the true swing in inductance that I need.  I'm having problems with the mosfet's flyback diode being a path for current in that direction. I need a low impedance mechanical style switch or maybe add a schottkey diode against FET's diode if I want to go that route of biasing my reactors.  On  top of that, I somehow seem to have fried my arduino processor that was optically isolated from my power circuit...  One thing after another, I am still moving forward with this and believe that I might be getting an understanding of what you are doing, though I have not done it yet.  If there is something here, I will find it.


Is this the magnetic version of the dielectric concept that armagdn03 presented in the Charge Conserving Capacitive Spring Thread?  [size=78%]http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6557-charge-conserving-capacitive-spring.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6557-charge-conserving-capacitive-spring.html)[/size]?


Dave
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 06:01:02 PM
The difference between a battery and a capacitor in a resonant circuit is the time reaction,
the last development has been the industrial prototyping from 2dimensional to 3dimensional capacitive material with up to 60 times improvement ( like the relationship from 1 cbcm active-coal in volume to this in sqcm aktive surface area!) !

In the solar-cell development there is one time handicap to get high efficiency : the recombination,
similar is happening in the resonant circuit !

Quantum Physics: Plancksche Quanten-Paar, Paar=Teilchen/Welle,Photon/Phonon

                                                             magnetic diode

The worldwide R&D scene is not sleeping ,here some examples
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buch-der-synergie.de%2Fc_neu_html%2Fc_10_03_batterien_q.htm&edit-text=
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 06:21:06 PM
This is the style of motor I used last night to double check things.

I connected the coils for one phase in series to increase the voltage,, but other than that when you hook the cap and source up and spin the rotor there is almost no force needed to spin,,

Okay,which is the nominal RPM-number and the generated torque ? Without and with modification ?
        The no-/partial/full load consume with and without modification ?

What do you think about the cap/motor relationship related the inrush current and inrush tension ?

                                  Temperature measurements without and with modification !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 24, 2016, 06:31:29 PM

F U C K O F F


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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 24, 2016, 07:28:55 PM

.my days here are numbered.....I hope.


Steve, I believe that the background field is resonant at 333000 Hz and this is what powers all matter and energy forms on earth.

In patent number 588,179 we see the two short antennas to bring in the back ground field. Can you better describe what you are seeing in your work that is so different?

Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 07:41:22 PM

Steve, I believe that the background field is resonant at 333000 Hz and this is what powers all matter and energy forms on earth.

In patent number 588,179 we see the two short antennas to bring in the back ground field. Can you better describe what you are seeing in your work that is so different?

Thanks, Ron

                                                     Is this pro/contra your believing ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1#

  Matter is chemically -elementary- different,Eigen-Frequency,why only one -333000 Hz- fixed frequency "powered" ?
                                What is your meaning here: "powered" related ?
                                         
                                                     especially "( all matter and )energy is powered"
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 08:51:52 PM
                                                          Erfinder,   
           
                                 Date Registered:                 May 11, 2006, 11:18:14 AM           
                                                more than ten years !

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 24, 2016, 08:59:22 PM

F U C K O F F


That is an ambiguous answer, what exactly do you mean? do you mean you don't know, or what?


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 09:07:40 PM
https://vimeo.com/190251670 (https://vimeo.com/190251670)            http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm (http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm)

Electromagnetic Induction of Space Substratum
by
P. Tewari
(Reprinted from Journal of Borderland Research, Jan-Feb. 1992, p. 16)
 
Introduction:
A cylindrical electromagnet, rotated on its axis, develops dc voltage between the axis and the periphery though there is no relative motion between the magnetic field in the core parallel to the axis and the iron conductor of the core. Refer to Figure 1 (http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm#figx). Faraday (Ref. 1) had discovered this effect by rotating together a permanent magnet and a copper disc integral with it. Bruce DePalma (Ref. 2) while carrying out the experiments on rotation of magnets independently discovered this phenomenon and named it "N-Effect". Development of the N-generator by DePalma, homopolar generator by Adam Trombley (Ref. 3) and Space Power Generator (SPG) by the writer operating at "overunity" efficiencies and in violation of the "Law of Conservation of Energy" in its existing form is based on this new system of rotating assembly of magnet and disc conductor, in which the magnetic field and the conductor have zero relative motion. It gets evident that there are more basic aspects to Faraday’s law of electromagnetic induction than what has so far been recognized.
 Figure 1:
(http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tew2x.jpg)
Figure 2:
(http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tew2y.jpg)
 
Figure 2 (http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm#figy)
  In , a conductor C is placed transverse to a magnetic field B from a magnet M. electromotive force (emf) is generated in C if it is moved as shown in the figure. Also if C is kept at rest and M is moved, emf is generated in C. In another case, if current is changed in a nearby conductor C’, the changing magnetic flux of C’ will induce an emf in C. In the above cases, there is either relative motion between C and B, and B thus cuts the conductor or there is a change in the magnetic field B’ of the nearby circuit conductor C’ and the changing field B’ interacts with C to produce emf. In SPG also the magnetic field is in contact with the rotating iron core conductor and emf is produced without relative motion between the conductor and the magnetic field. The common feature in all the above cases is that for the generation of emf in a conductor, interaction with the conductor of either steady magnetic field or changing magnetic field is essential.
An experiment with rotating electromagnet described below has, however, shown that emf can be induced within a rotating conductor even when it has no direct interaction with steady or changing magnetic field. With this experiment, a conclusive proof is had that the absolute vacuum (space) is the fundamental substratum of reality that can undergo magnetic induction and transmit the emf induced in it to the conductor rotating relative to it.
Experiment:
Refer to Figure 1 (http://rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm#figx). The magnetic circuit of a rotating electromagnet completes its path through static iron limbs on either side and the base. In the four slots cut in the cylindrical iron core, provision is made for non-magnetic stainless steel (ss) rods that are welded with the non-magnetic ss ring surrounding the core. The magnetic field produce by the dc current in the coil, which is integral with the core and rotates with it, does not pass through either the four slots or the rods mounted within the slots. When the assembly is rotated, the magnetic field remains confined to the core, air gaps on either side of the core, and the base. Measurements show however that the ss ring develops the same dc voltage as the cylindrical core’s surface on its periphery (although the ss ring and the rods are neither in contact with the periphery of the core nor have magnetic fields in them). Even when four thin slots are cut in the ss ring making the rods independent, the same voltage is induced in the ring. It is inferred that the zone in which voltage is induced in the rods is within the slots and since the magnetic field in the core surrounding the slots is a steady field due to dc current in the electromagnet’s coil, electromagnetic induction as conventionally understood cannot induce emf in the rods. The space surrounding the rods in the slots has to be a real medium that has to somehow generate emf in itself so as to transmit the same to the rods.
"Static" & "Dynamic" Space Substratum:
The effect of generation of emf in the above experiment can be explained by introducing "static" and "dynamic" aspects of space substratum as discussed elsewhere in the writer’s works (Ref. 4). The interatomic space within the iron core along with the "space vortices" that constitute the atoms of the iron core, the ss ring and the rods form one system of dynamic space that rotates relative to the static space. Within the iron core, however, the rotating space is super-imposed on the stationary space, and, therefore, the magnetic field there is common to both the rotating as well as the stationary spaces. As the space of the rotating iron due to rotation shifts along with its magnetic field, it leaves behind within the slots static space with magnetic field falling to zero there. This causes induction effect in the static space of the slots. The ss rods moving through the stationary space within the slots pick up the emf induced there and are thus raised to the same potential as the periphery of the core. If the space medium within the slots around the ss rods is considered an "emptiness", in the absence of any magnetic field there, no electromagnetic induction is possible and hence the ss ring cannot develop emf with steady magnetic field in the core contrary to experimental evidence.
Conclusion:
The following conclusions are drawn from the above experiment:
A rotating electromagnet carried with it during rotation the magnetic field in interatomic space of the core produced due to the coil integrally mounted on the core of the electromagnet (as the source of the magnetic field [coil] rotates, the field also rotates with the source).
The steady magnetic field in the iron core in its transverse motion of rotation produces emf in the neighboring space (within the slots) due to electromagnetic induction of space caused when the magnetic field in the core shifts relative to the stationary space substratum in the slots.
The radial flow of load current in the electromagnet’s iron core and the magnetic field in the core transverse to this current, interact within the rotating pace system of the core which is independent of the external stationary space system. The resultant force between the current and the magnetic field is thus contained within the rotating space system and does not produce torque opposite to that of the prime mover that rotates the electromagnet.
References:
1)  Martin, Thomas (ed.): Faraday’s Diary; 1932, Bell.
 2)  DePalma, Bruce: "On the Possibility of Extraction of Electrical energy Directly from Space"
 3)  Trombley, Adam D., Director of Research & Development, Zero Point Technologies,Inc., P.O. Box 1031, Evergreen, CO 80439
 4)  Tewari, Paramahansa: Beyond Matter; 1984, Print Well Publications, Alighar, India.
 5)  Tewari, P.: "Generation of Electrical Power from Absolute Vacuum by High Speed Rotation of Conducting Magnetic Cylinder"; Magnets in Your Future 1(8), August 1986.
 6)  Tewari, P.: "Violation of Conservation of Charge in Space Power Generation Phenomenon"; The Journal of Borderland Research, vol.55 (5), Sept.-Oct. 1989.
 7)  Tewari, P.: "Detection of Stationary & Dynamic Space Substratum"; Raum & Zeit, USA, 2 (1), 1990.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 24, 2016, 09:50:49 PM
                                                     Is this pro/contra your believing ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1#)

  Matter is chemically -elementary- different,Eigen-Frequency,why only one -333000 Hz- fixed frequency "powered" ?
                                What is your meaning here: "powered" related ?
                                         
                                                     especially "( all matter and )energy is powered"


No, I was referring to a previous post on this subject.

Ron

http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 24, 2016, 10:00:50 PM

F U C K O F F
That is an ambiguous answer, what exactly do you mean?

I believe it's an insect repellent.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 24, 2016, 10:01:41 PM

No, I was referring to a previous post on this subject.
Unfortunately,Steve with his two syllable vocabulary, is unable to comprehend this material.

Ron

http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html)

"No,.." as answer,but the first question,the second question or both answering ?
"syllable",you mean the "sybillische Verse(Orakel) " (Vaticano)?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 24, 2016, 11:06:36 PM

 ;D


Well I tried to get on side with you, everything from praise to flattery to outright insult, but you remain steadfast in your ignorance.

My only hope is that I can live long enough to piss on your grave!

The one problem there is I hate waiting in line ups.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: barbosi on November 24, 2016, 11:48:22 PM
It is an old Aesop fable: THE FOX AND THE RAVEN
Quote
The raven seized a piece of cheese and carried his spoils up to his perch high in a tree. A fox came up and walked in circles around the raven, planning a trick. 'What is this?' cried the fox. 'O raven, the elegant proportions of your body are remarkable, and you have a complexion that is worthy of the king of the birds! If only you had a voice to match, then you would be first among the fowl!' The fox said these things to trick the raven and the raven fell for it: he let out a great squawk and dropped his cheese. By thus showing off his voice, the raven let go of his spoils. The fox then grabbed the cheese and said, 'O raven, you do have a voice, but no brains to go with it!'

Your foxy try went bad and all you ave to say is?

Well I tried to get on side with you, everything from praise to flattery to outright insult, but you remain steadfast in your ignorance.

I'd say he's steadfast in wisdom.
My wishes for you Ron, are to live! Live with it! Long live with it!
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on November 25, 2016, 04:02:39 AM
It is an old Aesop fable: THE FOX AND THE RAVEN
Your foxy try went bad and all you ave to say is?
I'd say he's steadfast in wisdom.
My wishes for you Ron, are to live! Live with it! Long live with it!


LOL, the junk yard dog has barked.

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on November 26, 2016, 08:45:24 PM

Careful......I have made no claims....I don't care about free energy, overunity, nor a Lenzless generator. 


I want what's there.  What's there is all there is, we couple with it, but prohibit it from reaching a state of equilibrium.  Laws we have made to govern ourselves and one another prohibit us from even considering the relationship between the two recognized forms of energy storage, a relationship that we quite literally call into existence.  Our collective self imposed ignorance is amazing.  We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.  We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it.  Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take.  The vision was the self acting machine.  An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.


So keep looking at your simulators, and simplified circuits.  Keep pouring time and energy into things which will not yield the desired fruit.  Keep limiting yourselves to the laws which were given to us for the expressed purpose of suppressing ones creativity.


Regards

http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160901-we-might-live-in-a-computer-program-but-it-may-not-matter
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on December 04, 2016, 06:04:32 PM

Careful......I have made no claims....I don't care about free energy, overunity, nor a Lenzless generator. 

I want what's there.  What's there is all there is, we couple with it, but prohibit it from reaching a state of equilibrium.  Laws we have made to govern ourselves and one another prohibit us from even considering the relationship between the two recognized forms of energy storage, a relationship that we quite literally call into existence.  Our collective self imposed ignorance is amazing.  We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.  We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it.  Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take.  The vision was the self acting machine.  An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.

So keep looking at your simulators, and simplified circuits.  Keep pouring time and energy into things which will not yield the desired fruit.  Keep limiting yourselves to the laws which were given to us for the expressed purpose of suppressing ones creativity.

Regards


erfinder,

Very spiritual in concept, is there a cross connection here with the work of Keske? the Plasma generator, gans production?

Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2017, 10:51:08 PM
Hello everybody,


I totally missed this thread because I paused visiting this forum after I felt I am getting no responses at all, felt isolated like in many other places, however.


My apologies to Ron who spent time and money, and thank you very much, I would never have expected that.
I see a loss of 2.4W at 44W is not bad, a 95% efficiency.


Personally I did more tests and gained more insights about this particular Insight.


First of all, the reversal of the electrical Polarity is real. There is however a new challenge, that is:


The rotating iron disc does due to its shape bend the orientation of the magnet field by 90deg when it is not right under the magnet, so the useful pole is further away from the coil than the the other one.


So I tried an iron structure made of tiny rods, with space betwern them and each one oriented like the magnets polarity. That didn't shield the magnet anymore, but acted like a bridge for the flux, so no success.
My current approach is to use a shield that dimms the PMs field, and right below it is a tiny magnet fixed to the rotor, aligned with the main magnets polarity. It must be weak enough so it will not compensate or invert the Dimming by the shield, and yet it has to have some strength so the coil gets a grip on it. Within this bandwidth there is still selfrunner potential IMHO.


I did again think trough all processes and some questions were answered in a very satisfying way:


Assuming, due to the dimming of the total field strength the tiny magnet, when getting closer has the same polarity like the coil, it will be atteacted by both, coil and fixed PM. So these forces accumulate. After passing by, the field strength is rising again and the tiny magnet is pushed away by the coil because thw electrical polarity in the coil has flipped. But additionally, the coil superimposes its polarity into the tjny magnet, therefor it will be held back by the PM by a lesser amount than it was attracted.


I am working with a very crude test device, unworthy of pictures. One thing becomes very obvious, the shape etc. of the shielding plate formerly called flux mediator, is very critical.


I must apologize again for missing this thread, being absent. Also please excuse me for not having the time to read all the 100 pages atm.


I am doing further tests as I write and I'll let you know if there is any progress.


Thanks again, esp. to you Ron, hope you read this.
kr
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on February 06, 2017, 10:58:08 PM
Oh btw. my Browser has Problems with the input forms, I cannot scroll the input textarea and therefor cannot correct stuff. If you see strange typos, please ignore. Like that "particular Insight", meant "particular concept"
thx
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: i_ron on February 06, 2017, 11:24:38 PM
Hello everybody,
snip

I am doing further tests as I write and I'll let you know if there is any progress.

Thanks again, esp. to you Ron, hope you read this.
kr


An interesting experiment dieter, good to see you carrying on with it, no problem here.


Ron
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: shylo on February 07, 2017, 12:10:28 AM
I don't think you can eliminate Lenz.
You can only re-direct it.
It is part of a whole.You can't have one without the other.
artv
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2017, 01:22:16 AM
Thanks Ron and thanks Shylo,


I'm not gonna eliminate Lenz... he's dead already ^^


And I think he was wrong in saying "will always oppose..."


See, I tried to explain this to many people, some of which have a masters degree in electrotechnics, and none of them understood what I was talking about, but they all recited wikipedia "truths".


From my point of view, if we can achieve a decrease of field strength instead an increase while approaching and also retain the polar alignement of the rotors magnet then it is only a question of elegant design.


The fixed PM, sitting viceversa the also fixed coil, can be superstrong, and the "old" lenz effect will totally act on it, but, stabile fixture given, it doesn't matter at all. Because the rotor reacts in the opposite way.
kr
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Thaelin on February 07, 2017, 10:15:29 AM
Hi Dieter:
   I have always had the idea that a lot of the so called "laws of what ever" are in real life still theory that just cant be revoked. So far they will still stand up under what we know. If we learn something new that seems to invalidate these laws, then the authority peeps would have to relearn and that is always a fight to the end.    Perpetual what did you say??????

thay
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on February 07, 2017, 10:08:18 PM
Indeed, socalled accepted science has proofable flaws, and by simply ignoring them, accepted science is pseudoscience, that I do not really accept. Logically, accepted science is only accepted by some, beut they're good in socially sucking up, the tbeir voice counts billionfold. Of course it's not all wrong what they say. Even a blind chicken does find a grain from time to time. But eg. Lenz or Kelvins 2nd law of thermodynamics are not laws, but approximations, or high probabilities under conventional circumstances.


Please see here for my continuation of the reverse lorentz force drive:
http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg499501/#new

kr
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: dieter on February 18, 2017, 08:49:45 PM
[/font]Hi Dieter,Here is my build of your first version:The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mmThe induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pkIn the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.be)Ron
[/font]


I want to exhume this thread, because the replication attempt has certain flaws that became clear only recently, by studying a crude test setup and by FEMM Simulation. FEMM now clearly indicates a violation of the law of energy conservation.


In a nutshell again the principle:


The stator has both, a coil and at a distance a strong  PM, facing the coil. Between these two passes by the Rotor element. Its function is to lower the magnetic field of the PM on the coil side. Hence we got current flow.
The rotor consists on the PM side of a shield, that adsorbs most of the PM's field and angles it 90 deg.


Ron basicly did just this. The idea btw. is definitely not to "bridge" the gap and increase the fieldstrength with the slugs (that''s just plain conventional), but to lower it! And as much as possible. But even now, we have an undesired axial polarity in this shield: the coil's reactive field would be of the same polarity like the closer end of the shield, and therefor repell it: exactly what we don't want, and the reason why Ron's Replication (btw. I never claimed to have a working OU model) didn't serve a free lunch.


But by software simulation a way was found to prevent this undesired shield polarity, simply by having a 2nd layer at the bottom of the shield, maybe 2mm spacer between them, and made of relatively weak permanent magnets. By this shield, according to FEMM, all fieldlines, emanating from the coil's side of the shield/rotor element, are forced into the direction that is given by this PM layer with slight superimposition of the strong stator PM.


So this time, the reactive field faces an unlike pole at the closer end of the approaching shield/rotor.


As the rotor passes by, the coils polarity flips and it will now repell the rotor that is already moving away.


For this to take place, a current must flow in the coil,but thw load must be low enough so the reactive field does not entirely prevent the fieldstrength drop caused by the shield.


That's it so far. If anybody is really interested, I've given all my data. But I may not continue my blig here, due to lack of interest, an eerie unexplixable ignorance like a glitch in the matrix.
kind regards


see also:


http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg500202/#new





Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on February 19, 2017, 06:34:44 AM
It is our one-way thinking that stands in our way.
The technology doesn't exist to use both halves of
electricity.
If we understand why lense is there, we can learn to
use it, but we have to use both at the same time.
In opposite directions.
That's not how we build our circuits, therefore "lenz law"
holds true in any circuit we use.


To prevent dissemination of information, many of these
"laws" were structured around the way our technology works.
Not the other way around.
They teach us to do things certain ways, then tell us these things
Only work certain ways.


There are other types of technologies that operate under different
sets of "laws".
To understand those, requires a whole 'unlearning' of what you
already understand.
From the basics of our numerical counting system
To the 3 dimensions which we choose to draw in


To further confuse the situation, they cause a division among
the disciplines. This is done intentionally, to prevent a reversal
of their control processes.


As it pertains to electronics as a whole, and the topic of discussion,
they teach us to analyze the circuits in an opposite direction than
that which they teach us to engineer them.
One group of people look at it from - to +
The other designing them from + to -.


This confuses not only the true direction we are utilizing in our technology
But any hopes of figuring out how to use the other in our current architecture.
The very concept of using both at one time is lost in obscurity.

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: Frank2025 on July 21, 2017, 04:31:04 AM
Hello every one  :)

In here I share with you a generator that in my opinion could go around Lenz's law and then you know what happens next ;)

I hope you find it interesting and if anyone builds a similar device, please share your results :) You can see this effect in the video which can be found in the description box.

Here you can see the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTsOxzVTE8&list=UUXEFFysykQp53qAVElhrAgg

Best Regards

the video is not available
where I can find this video
thanks
Sam
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: nul-points on January 20, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
bump
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on December 26, 2019, 09:40:47 PM
Hi All ! need to revive the topic  ;)  . I want to publish one of my technologies . There is a magnet and a coil with a connected load . We begin to move the magnet away from the coil .current flows in the electric circuit .In this case, the magnetic field of the coil counteracts the outgoing magnet .
  But we do not want rotor braking, we want the eternal holiday of free energy   :)  :) ;D  ;D
        Therefore, we feed the iron washer on the other side of the coil . Iron accelerates to compensate for rotor braking !
Addition : in other positions of the rotor, the coil must be disconnected . If you want to get superefficiency   :D  :D  ;)
  watch drawing  MLG1 ( MLG - Minimal Lenz Generator )
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: gyulasun on December 26, 2019, 11:55:09 PM
Hi Boris, 

You show a clever-sounding idea, thanks.   

Have you managed to do a test setup on this? If you did, could you share some results you achieved? 

Thanks and Happy New Year! 

Gyula
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on December 28, 2019, 01:26:18 AM
Hi Gyula !   Thank you!  Happy New Year! After the holidays, we will continue to work  :)
     Addition to MLG1 :connect the diode to the coil electrical circuit so as to get energy when the compensator is working.
                      this will avoid design complexity .
     Does this technology work? Good ideas spread at lightning speed .Non Work ideas remain in the archives forever .
     I want to see this generator on Aliexpress inexpensively in 2 months .if this does not happen then I need to publish the following technology.   It's humor   :D   .
      Technology is freely available to all comers without restriction .
       I hope Google translator does not surprise you   .         
                                                                                                   Boris           
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: sm0ky2 on December 28, 2019, 02:04:23 AM
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest an addition to
Faraday’s solution.


Or rather include the inverse set forth by Maxwell’s equations.


Reverse Lenz (in the purely electrical sense)


(when you are done laughing continue below)


Consider the force to be the same as that of electrostatic or
magnetic attraction, and consider the portion of Maxwell’s equation that
allows this force to hold a negative value.


Now consider the ways in which we encounter the positive side of this force.
Note that the force is always trailing the moving charge.
Now consider the physical placement of a collector that “leads” the moving charge.
In this scenario we have a very real force accelerating the moving charged conductor
in the direction of motion.


Pulling it towards the contact before it arrives
Rather than pulling it backwards during and after contact.
Focus on the situation, don’t get lost in the practicality of actually achieving it.
Before we try, we must acknowledge the possibility and the conditions which must occur.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on December 28, 2019, 02:26:39 AM
Hi sm0ky2 . Your wishes come true in one minute   8) .  Technological humor   :)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: skybiker63 on January 12, 2022, 12:14:03 PM
Hi Boris, great idea, did you test it allready ?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 02, 2022, 09:22:22 AM
Hi skybiker63 , many researchers have received free energy, but for various reasons do not want to share this information.
  Here is an example of a similar technology, magnets in coils. The author has left this thread .
       https://youtu.be/tTywjqdvfwg?t=250

I hope I will soon have free time and I will be engaged in testing. First in line MLG
   
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2022, 09:36:37 AM
This is a scam.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 02, 2022, 10:00:20 AM
Hi r2fpl , I have no information that it was a scam .
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
What proof do you have that it works. Video ?  ;D
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 02, 2022, 04:08:35 PM
I ask the Administrator to intervene.
                 Unfounded allegations of fraud are unacceptable.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2022, 04:22:24 PM
Prove it works and I'll apologize.
I have made this device completely and there is no basis for operation without an additional power source or drive.

What's left of this device.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 02, 2022, 05:56:08 PM
I don't know how you can copy the device if the author does not reveal all the secrets, and there are many of them.
  The author of the video claims that there are barium magnets in the generator coils. these magnets reverse Lenz 180 degrees .
the author hints at Hendershot, which means that the magnets may not be located in the center of the coil !
 The motor coil is made conical, this raises questions. In some coils, there may be built-in diodes among the turns ......
 for such technologies, the rotor can only have magnet poles of the same name......
         Conclusion - if the exact technology is unknown, then it is necessary to check a lot of device options.
     Conclusion 2 - you could not exactly copy this device  . This is possible if the author reveals all the secrets.
    Conclusion  3 - the accusations are unfounded.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: kolbacict on March 02, 2022, 06:37:30 PM
Isn't it the same?
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xU_-vfIpk24/maxresdefault.jpg (https://i.ytimg.com/vi/xU_-vfIpk24/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: citfta on March 02, 2022, 07:56:07 PM
I ask the Administrator to intervene.
                 Unfounded allegations of fraud are unacceptable.


Unfounded allegations of overunity are also unacceptable.


This forum is filled with videos that "PROVE" overunity.  All of the serious ones have been investigated and proven to be false or not reproducible.  You have a lot to learn about claims of overunity.  Many of us have been on this forum for years looking into the false claims hoping to find a real demonstration of overunity. But every month a newcomer shows up insisting some video they saw must be the "REAL THING".


Respectfully,
Carroll
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2022, 08:02:14 PM
Do you know who is the author of this movie? If so, you know that it has repeated all devices from years ago.
Isn't it strange that the device works only for him.
I have 6 years of experience in building various replicas and none of them ever gave even 1W more.
Everything that is secret is based on the concealment of the power source.
I know you don't believe me. That's your business.
I can show you any FE device and tell you any fairy tale how it works and you will try to repeat it for years.
You can always say that I did something wrong and this can be the only explanation.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: r2fpl on March 02, 2022, 08:03:43 PM
But every month a newcomer shows up insisting some video they saw must be the "REAL THING".

Exactly !
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 03, 2022, 05:41:59 AM
I'm sorry to see a lot of people disappointed in free energy. and therefore they consider it normal to violate the norms of behavior.
 
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 03, 2022, 06:25:46 AM
   Hi  kolbacict  ,  These are externally similar, but different in technology devices. The author accidentally stumbled upon a new effect. Romero was very close to it.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 03, 2022, 07:59:18 AM
for those who are disappointed in free energy, I will try to give an opportunity to return this faith .
               The simplest description of Reverse Lenz .    If the electrical circuit is closed, then when approaching the magnet and the coil have the same poles, and when moving away from each other, the coil and magnet have opposite poles .thus obeying the Lenz rule Rotor is braking .
               If the magnetic field in the coil decreases when a magnet approaches it , with a certain arrangement of magnetic poles .
The coil changes its properties to the opposite . rotor starts to accelerate .
               I think advanced readers will immediately understand what I mean.   :)   :) .

If everything is perfect from the point of view of theory, then
The next step is technological research and implementation in a real device.
     the pictures shown are an example of options and search directions.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on March 17, 2022, 01:28:00 PM
hi all !   I have interesting news . I was able to detect   effect Lenz reversal   . The idea that I posted a few years ago turned out to be working   :)  .  Of course, there is a possibility of inaccuracies in measurements and incorrect interpretation of the processes in this strange device.  But let's get to the test .
             The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_15 ) shows a device having an air coil . A plate made of transformer steel is installed on the coil . A stator magnet is mounted against the coil.  The rotor magnet acts on the steel plate with the opposite pole from the stator magnet.
             With the same movements of the rotor magnet, the electric current in the coil changes to the opposite ,  depending on whether there is a stator magnet or not . Since the direction of the current in the coil is inextricably linked with the location of the poles of this coil ,   when the current changes to the opposite, the magnetic field of the coil (Lenz) begins to contribute to the movement of the rotor magnet.
               This phenomenon suggests that we are dealing with the manifestation of free energy.

   The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_16 ) shows the device described above . I will try to add more information later.
         
    I hope this test will attract the attention of researchers who will repeat it and go further than I could.
   

   Best regards
    Boris
   
       
                     
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: activ25 on March 21, 2022, 09:43:37 PM
You can modelize your device with the software FEMM, it is 2D but it is very acurate.
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: lancaIV on March 21, 2022, 11:10:58 PM
You can modelize your device with the software FEMM, it is 2D but it is very acurate.
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Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: floodrod on July 25, 2022, 01:46:45 AM
hi all !   I have interesting news . I was able to detect   effect Lenz reversal   . The idea that I posted a few years ago turned out to be working   :)  .  Of course, there is a possibility of inaccuracies in measurements and incorrect interpretation of the processes in this strange device.  But let's get to the test .
             The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_15 ) shows a device having an air coil . A plate made of transformer steel is installed on the coil . A stator magnet is mounted against the coil.  The rotor magnet acts on the steel plate with the opposite pole from the stator magnet.
             With the same movements of the rotor magnet, the electric current in the coil changes to the opposite ,  depending on whether there is a stator magnet or not . Since the direction of the current in the coil is inextricably linked with the location of the poles of this coil ,   when the current changes to the opposite, the magnetic field of the coil (Lenz) begins to contribute to the movement of the rotor magnet.
               This phenomenon suggests that we are dealing with the manifestation of free energy.

   The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_16 ) shows the device described above . I will try to add more information later.
         
    I hope this test will attract the attention of researchers who will repeat it and go further than I could.
   

   Best regards
    Boris
   
       
                   

I tried verifying this but was unsuccessful obtaining a current reversal.

I took an air coil, placed steel over it.  placed a magnet over the coil stuck to the steel.  Then passed another magnet over end of the steel.  I repeated with 2 different coils, and 3 different magnets.  When viewing on the O-scope, the current direction is the exact same as passing over the coil directly.

Any other hints to try?
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on July 25, 2022, 08:03:27 AM
Hi floodrod ,

                             I used a thin plate of metal taken from a transformer. This plate has a very high magnetic permeability.
This material has low losses due to eddy currents since it contains special additives.

                            The stator magnet must exceed or have the same strength as the rotor magnet.Since it is impossible to allow a change in the polarity of the magnetic field of the stator magnet to the field of the rotor magnet in the place where the coil touches.

                            I used an old pointer ammeter as the digital meters gave inconsistent readings in this test......
        This needs to be clarified in well-equipped laboratories using, among other things, magnetic sensors and thermal scanners.
              of course, this should be done by researchers with more experience and knowledge than me .

                              if there is a change in the design and scaling of the device, it is necessary to measure the direction of the current and magnetic fields and, if necessary, move the magnets and also change the position of the magnets to the opposite. Even when the magnet is located on the reverse side, effects also occur depending on the strength of the magnet.
When the load on the coil changes, the properties of the device can change up to the opposite, it depends on the strength of the magnets, the thickness and properties of the ferromagnet, etc.
                                                                                                             Don Smith said - first measure the magnetic fields.




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                         Best regards Boris

                               

                             

Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on July 26, 2022, 01:38:35 PM
  Hi  !

The device is saved! No damage or changes. It is possible to conduct additional tests.
 For starters, this is the position of the magnetic fields using a compass.  Video is attached  (  if downloaded as an unknown file, you need to rename the file and add the extension at the end   .mp4    )

                 In order to move the magnets and record video, I need to find a tripod to hold the phone securely.
                                                                                          It will take some time   :) . 


             Best regards Boris
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on July 27, 2022, 04:31:31 PM
Hi   
         I posted a video from my last post on YouTube.      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANXhrdRNrss



                        I hope that this video will help those who want to explore this effect.


                                 regards Boris
Title: Re: Lenz free generator
Post by: BorisKrabow on July 28, 2022, 06:58:05 PM
   Hello !
                    Managed to shoot and publish a video.  Test device to search for the effect of the Reverse of Lenz's Law .

                             https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjoV-2Q7FKg

                        The ammeter clearly shows the change in direction of current flow. The magnets used are rather weak, so the deviation of the ammeter needle is small.
     

         regards Boris