You still need many rice to eat. boy! ;D
Ok, after some breeding, what do you think about this:
In your drawing I see several things I want to address: The Magnet pairs should alternate in polarity (this may explain why Skywatcher123 didn't get any current).
And yes, the solenoid should be square. The most significant observation from the wire experiment is, the Lotentz force follows blindly the right hand rule! The magnetic field points away from the wire as the 90° thumb, so you should not cross the wire that way.
All we need is alternating flux, it does not matter from where the Magnet is coming. So we are approaching along the wire, as seen in the model. In your drawing you would move the PMs outward, so only the vertical sides will be in a strong field.
Using cores for the solenoid may or may not ruin the effect. This should be studied further. However, we have to expect lower watt per space, but that is fine for me if we really can turn off the Lorentz force.
Maybe a split core would be the solution, just two bars along the sides we are using. Furthermore, these sides may be longer than the width of the rectangular solenoid. A MOT secondary may work as the coil in a design like yours.
Also interesting in the wire experiment: After the wire went left (or right, depending on the PM's pole), it would stick to the very left edge of the bar end. And the confusing thing is, with the other pole of the PM it would also stick, but on the other edge. Bit hard to explain, easily misunderstood. I mean, the same wire with the same DC current would stick on both the north pole and the south pole of the magnet, but one time at the left edge of the pole and the other time at the right edge of the pole/bar end. But that happens only when the wirevis closer then the center of the polar field. Which may indicate that the wire reacts on the spherical shape of the polar field... A lot to consider.
Here is one possible conclusion to the observation being made (which would be the piston system):
When it comes to coils we should forget the Lorentz force?? Are you serious? Lenz'law is all about the Lorentz force. People say Lenzfree but they mean Lorentzfree.
After all a coil is made of a wire. Where did that force go?
Peace
Hi dieter :)Turn your magnets 90*,and bobs ya uncle,all is well.
After I say this, you are gonna hate me, but please let me know if you think I am wrong :D
In the following pic, in section A, we can see what Lorenz force predicts what will happen to the current carrying wire (current going away from us). Lorenz says that wire just moves towards right hand side of the magnet and moves away from it. But when ever I test this, the wire first takes off from the surface of magnet and then will go towards the right hand side and then it will attach to the right edge of magnet and if you give it some space, it will go to equator of magnet.
In section B, Lorenz says that a current carrying wire (current is coming towards us) will move to the left hand side of magnet and goes away from magnetic filed, but again the same thing happens: First wire takes off from the surface of magnet and then goes to the equator of magnet on the left side.
In section C, we can see that the same wire is looped and when this happens the whole coil will take off from the surface of the magnet and as we say it, magnet "repels" the coil :)
So, yes, I think Lorenz force is wrong, at least it is not complete and when we deal with current carrying solenoids which are facing surface of a magnet , we should forget about the Lorenz force, because Lorenz doesn't explain what happens in this section. At least this is my understanding of what happens in here. I would very much appreciate if you could tell me what you think about all these :)
I think the upwards movement of wires (In section A for example) happen because of the resistance the wire faces when they tries to move to the right hand side of magnet. Same thing happens when in section B, wire tries to move towards the left hand side of magnet. It faces a resistance and moves upwards. This resistance becomes stronger when we have a coil on top of a magnet. Right wires try to go to left and left wires will try to go to right and they end up taking off from surface of magnet.
Best Regards
Sam
Turn your magnets 90*,and bobs ya uncle,all is well.
Hi Tinman :) Thanks for commenting.It would help you out if you go read up on how the homopolar motor works. This will explain thing much better.
I have done the 90 degrees rotation of magnet with a single wire and the wire goes to the equator of magnet and stops there, but I have not done the test with solenoid and I don't have any of my stuff in here (I'm traveling now), but as soon as I get home, I test that also. But I think the solenoid will just try to rotate the magnet 90 degrees so S pole of magnet faces the N pole of solenoid :)
@dieter. Hi again :) I can not imagine ( I don't have the possibility to test right now, so I'm just assuming) any difference in outcome by changing the diameter of the coil :)
Best Regards
Sam
It would help you out if you go read up on how the homopolar motor works. This will explain thing much better.
Although, I have made slightly diffrent observations with a coil and a small cylindrical magnet: the closer the magnet is to the edge, the more is the force horizontal. The closer the magnet is to the center of the coil, the more vertical is the force. As we have seen with the wire, this has nothing to do with the distance. There clearly IS a 90 deg shifting of the reaction. Instead of attraction to north and repulsion to south, we now see Attraction at the left edge of north and repulsion at the right edge of the same pole, or visa versa with a reverse current, and the same thing works with the south pole.
As I have already mentioned, this phenomenon can be seen only in gyroscopical recession.
Its absolutely a gyroscopic phenomenon!
Okay boys, let's bring out the big guns.
The answer is in this clip:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fbhcdS328c)
In plain technical English, the force on the wire is the cross product of the direction the current is flowing in and the direction of the magnetic field. That will cover every possible force phenomenon you observe when having a current-carrying wire interact with the magnetic field of a magnet.
It's universal, it will apply anywhere. it explains the fantastic "Rodin coil as the next-generation high-fidelity speaker system" also.
In simple English, if the current is flowing in direction X, and the magnetic field is in direction Y, then the force will be in direction Z. In other words, the force is at right angles to the direction of the wire and at right angles to the direction of the magnetic field, a la x-y-z.
Whoops! I don't think so, just look at the clip.
Not everybody necessarily agrees with that point of view. Here's one person who doesn for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti (https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti)Hello :)
He makes equally good video presentations. I dare you to play the whole playlist (but I doubt you will :) ).
Not everybody necessarily agrees with that point of view. Here's one person who doesn for example: https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti (https://www.youtube.com/user/rdistinti)
He makes equally good video presentations. I dare you to play the whole playlist (but I doubt you will :) ).
(snip)
TK, I don't think so and I highly reccommend you do this simple experiment personally right now.
Peace
Although, I have made slightly diffrent observations with a coil and a small cylindrical magnet: the closer the magnet is to the edge, the more is the force horizontal. The closer the magnet is to the center of the coil, the more vertical is the force. As we have seen with the wire, this has nothing to do with the distance. There clearly IS a 90 deg shifting of the reaction. Instead of attraction to north and repulsion to south, we now see Attraction at the left edge of north and repulsion at the right edge of the same pole, or visa versa with a reverse current, and the same thing works with the south pole.
As I have already mentioned, this phenomenon can be seen only in gyroscopical recession.
Tinman, I'm afraid turning the PMs by 90° will nullify the induction efficiency.
TK, that's a lot of cynical, sarcastic mambo jambo, considering the appearent fact that you still were unable to this extremly basic test personally. Maybe you ain't got no battery, wire and magnet at hands. Or maybe it's lazyness.
However, I may no more exceptionally unignore your comments because the mood of it outweights the scientific value.
Peace.
I was reading your quote on MH. I don't want to spend too much energy in a defensive statement, but consider that in his teaching he didn't even mention any vector or speed of motion that mechanicly causes the flux change. This way he does not only miss the whole point of this discussion, but reveals a severe lack of understanding in the field of induction. So this may be worse than I thought. I don't want to insult the guy, this is just a conclusion.
What exactly happened?
Peace
Sam,
ok, thank you. Basicly, it forces the electrons to one side of the coil, but not out of the coil. Nevertheless, we came to some interesting observations in this thread. Good luck with your new idea!
Boris,
thanks for the information.
Happy New Year to all of You.
Hi guys,
I'm glad to see something really productive being posted here. I was thinking that rather building a completely different generator/motor that is lenz free, it would be equally just as effective if we can attach a regular generator to a Bi-toroid transformer. The generator would not feel any more resistance under load than it would be without one. Of course, building a Bi-toroid transformer is difficult but easier than a completely new type of generator.
I do not think building a bitoroid track is hard if you are going to use powdered carbonated iron, Resin and accelerator and catalyst.
Simply Get 5mm thick Veroo board or Plywood, Matt knife, Iron Ruler, Glue and with these items make a Splitted Mould which you would glue together and a Bobbing.
Most bitoroid Cores are Square in shape. So you just need to cut out the divide that Square into 2 when cutting making your mould. So this means you will have two separate c shapes cores which will be taped together after the whole assembling.
Madeo
Well, version two on the test bed/.
Just in round numbers, output 2.36 watts, prime mover increased draw 2.4 watts
so no free lunch here, mind you that is very efficient.
In effect it is a variable reluctance generator
Test conditions:
1750 RPM, 8 laminated slugs 12,5mm by 25 mm dia. laminated core. 8.39 volts AC no load, 4.14 volts over 7.2 ohm load.
Ron
Ron
Are you saying the P/in was 2.4 watts to the prime mover,and output was 2.36 watts?-or are you saying the prime mover power/in went up a further 2.4 watts?
If the P/in total is 2.4 watt's,and the output is 2.36 watts,then i suggest you calculate the power being dissipated by the motor it self-as waste heat,and also take into account the power being dissipated as waste heat by the generating coil it self-not just the electrical power out from the generating coil-->this is something many fail to take into account when making P/out measurements.
Brad
Sorry I thought "increased draw" was clear?
P/in is 44.4 watts no load. Under load this increased to 46.8 watts
What I was indicating is this is not Lenz. free as claimed
Thanks for the come back though!
Ron
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Ah ok.
snip
You actually have to do the opposite,and increase the lorentz force,but at the same time,you have to configure the geometry of the generator correctly.
Brad
Brad, what configuration did you find that came closest to this?
This was just a little fill in project while I was waiting for turion to show us how he got 120 watts in and 800 watts out.
Thanks
Ron
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light
Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. snip
I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.
Brad
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)
and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!
Alvaro
I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.
Regards
What you were told is useless. Don't take my word for it.....do something with what you were told prove me wrong.
Regards
I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.[/size]I found that very humorous! what I said was yes, he has given us nothing, the size etc was a parody
My bad....I didn't realize you were having a bit of fun. I take this stuff too serious, more serious than he does.
Regards
...Have they presented any ideas on "where" we should be looking for the energy we seek, the real energy? Big fat no there too......Time to clear your memory of all that junk, install a new operating system, and run towards your idea of truth and reality, better yours than someone elses.
Regards
Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.
Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?
Ron
Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in
The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.
Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.
Brad
Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising! Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?
Will be watching, thanks for sharing
Ron
It's been a few days, and as is usual, no one seems to give a damn about the real issue. Why in the hell is an increase in inductive reactance being celebrated as a step in the right direction?
This is complete and utter insanity, in a word, USELESS! I mean no offense, however, it seems that the intelligence of those who do think is being challenged, and as such something must be said. We are well aware of what governs consumption in motors....right? Understanding that, when the consumption drops, we must refer back to that which governs consumption! From here its clear that the application of load modifies the reactive cross section of the motor circuit, in this case is not so much an increase in inductance, but more like the voltage and its associated current which are induced in the generator winding proper, are of such a polarity and phase that it augments the motor CEMF, raising it, the mechanism for this augmentation is transformer action, transformer action in a circuit of poor geometric relation.
In the end, the motors ability to limit its consumption has been amplified by a whopping 50%! Lenz isn't helping you here, hes getting 50% more out of you, but who am I....you people can and will believe whatever you want.
Regards
About a month ago I uploaded a video demonstrating an unconventional means for generating acceleration under load.
regards
Is the video still up? do you have a link please?
Ron
Dear Ron.
Here you go.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc)
Cheers Grum.
This leads to an even deeper insight, namely the ability to view the coil as it is, specifically as a generator coil which is periodically biased so as to generate both a motoring force and self excitation.
Regards
The demo was not an instructional video, it was not my intention to share the coil geometry, nor reveal specifics of what was being shorted. The purpose was to demonstrate the effect of acceleration in an air core motor-generator of moderately low inductance and resistance. A second video was shot demonstrating the exact same effect using a system of even lower inductance and resistance values, however, it was decided that one vague video was enough.I still hope you'll reconsider your position on sharing your configuration details.
Regards
snip...Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?
snip..
Ron
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
Cheers
Nor will you ever see such information ::)
Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.
Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just !guess! lol.
Brad
Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!
Being a recent forced retiree of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out" forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group? LOL
Ron
Regards
I am in no hurry to share anything with you. You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway. I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture. The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations, and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, the more one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....
That one vague video of mine reveals more about what can be done, and the path which should be taken than your LAG, a title which has no justification, ever will. The thing I get the biggest kick out of is recognizing that you have no idea where the power you are desperately seeking is supposed to be coming from. Its depressing watching you struggle with the concepts surrounding the acceleration concept, its even more depressing watching you drag the gullible from experiment to experiment and then dropping them off there, leaving them with the same questions that they started with. If this weren't enough, the constant bitching and complaining and whining has literally stripped you of all street credit. The scope and meters are more important than the ideas, and anyone who thinks opposite is an idiot? I am fed the fuck up with all this, your term RUBBISH, and I am not alone, but the others will not voice their opinion, oh well....some one has to say something.
And all this from a guy who has yet to graduate from the SG circuit....This from a guy who has replicated every promising pulse motor concept, making it your business to show that the person you are replicating doesn't know what hes doing. You sir don't know what you're doing, but you like to lead others to believe you do, fine and dandy, gonna need to draw out a map for all those garden paths you've led folk down. One of my favorite fuck ups of yours pertains to the Zero Force Motor, I thought it was really amusing how you went out of your way to suggest that your misnamed concept is superior to that concept, its not, and you would know this had you done your homework on the subject, the concept and the associated principles, known and unknown to the public are old. The LAG is an abomination, a sick joke being played on the gullible, and a slap in the face to all who paved the way, you would be wise to review history.
snip...This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing. Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.
My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase! This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards
Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.
Your statement 'motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker', reflects the results of a round of experiments with air cores I did a few years ago. My approach was/is completely unlike yours I gather, hence my curiosity about the parameters of your machine is piqued.
While I acknowledge your right to keep your configuration to yourself, I still hope you'll reconsider sharing. This is after all, an open discussion forum.
Cheers
My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase! This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards
This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing.
BradI'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
That's funny....
Regards
Brad would have everyone's attention, maybe even mine if he finished what he started, he won't.....so hes no better than he says I am.
I'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
Cheers
And mine decreases the required P/in,but increase the torque with a gain in RPM.
As i stated before,the lorentz force must be increased-not decreased as many believe.
In order to do this,you must maintain current flow value throughout the RPM range,without having to increase the voltage.
This is what i have achieved with the L.A.G. Current value is maintained by increasing (what most refer to here as) Lenz,not decreasing !!Lenz!!.
Lenz is a law,and so using lorentz force is more applicable here.
It is a miss-belief that in order to gain acceleration under load,you must decrease !Lenz!,when in fact,to maintain current flow,while your electric motor still acts as a generator also,is to increase the lorentz force--and there is only one way to do that,and it is opposite to what others are trying to do.
Below are two video's where my research into this !speed up under load! started.
The first one shows not only a gain in torque,but a decrease in power consumption also.
The second video shows the RT up against an !off the shelf! motor,in way of a house fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xRcSkPYn4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpJ97M58G4
Some of us talk,and some of us do.
Brad
What I mean is exactly what I said!
Regarding your RT, I'm not looking.....because I am not interested. I am just voicing what I pick out of the ether chatter......
You have nothing worth looking at, everything you vomit out can be found online somewhere....sooo, I am not listening to you. Do yourself a favor, demonstrate "self assisted oscillation". You claim you have but those who know know you haven't. You don't have an original bone in your body, even your quotes are copy and paste.....what can anyone expect to learn from a professional and prolific plagiarist....your guess is as good as anyone's.
Brad hasn't given anyone a damn thing, other than a few hundred ways one should not go about doing things, oh and a few entertaining exchanges, where he gets his ass handed to him. You really should refrain from brown nosing Graham Gunderson. Wait that's not brown nosing, you are trying to form a symbiotic relation with him, parasite.....Fucking conformist. Your idea of learning can be equated with accepting the brainwashing. You really think you are informing anyone of anything that isn't already being forced on them? Do you really think everyone wants or is even interested in the phantoms you chase, partnered output coils....moron!? Yes that was a fat dump on your legacy.... You claim to know, but have shit to show for what you know. Your example that you got it right is to hijack someone else's work, saw you do this with Brad, and now you are doing it with Graham, dusch bag.... You sound like a science teacher, who knows the laws but cant do shit with them. Ah but you do find those few whom you think have done something with them. Graham....maybe.....Brad.....fail....yourself....omg...not just no...no no no!
The world desperately needs to learn how to look within to their creative side for answers, that's what inspired the damn books and the laws they contain ass clown! Laws are only laws because we are to fucking stupid to make new ones, preoccupation with crossing t's and dotting i's has that effect on the weak! You are so busy looking at the complex that you miss the simple, this happens to all wannabe know it all's, myself included. You are hopelessly fucked, where as I've found what I am looking for. So Chris....in conclusion, be fucked!
Regards
Well you certainly hit a few nails on the head there Erfinder!!
Quantum electrodynamics "The Jewel of physics", quote from Richard Feynman.
John.
Quantum electrodynamics "The Jewel of physics", quote from Richard Feynman.
John.
You have nothing worth looking at, everything you vomit out can be found online somewhere....sooo, I am not listening to you. Do yourself a favor, demonstrate "self assisted oscillation". You claim you have but those who know know you haven't. You don't have an original bone in your body, even your quotes are copy and paste.....what can anyone expect to learn from a professional and prolific plagiarist....your guess is as good as anyone's.
Brad hasn't given anyone a damn thing, other than a few hundred ways one should not go about doing things, oh and a few entertaining exchanges, where he gets his ass handed to him. You really should refrain from brown nosing Graham Gunderson. Wait that's not brown nosing, you are trying to form a symbiotic relation with him, parasite.....Fucking conformist. Your idea of learning can be equated with accepting the brainwashing. You really think you are informing anyone of anything that isn't already being forced on them? Do you really think everyone wants or is even interested in the phantoms you chase, partnered output coils....moron!? Yes that was a fat dump on your legacy.... You claim to know, but have shit to show for what you know. Your example that you got it right is to hijack someone else's work, saw you do this with Brad, and now you are doing it with Graham, dusch bag.... You sound like a science teacher, who knows the laws but cant do shit with them. Ah but you do find those few whom you think have done something with them. Graham....maybe.....Brad.....fail....yourself....omg...not just no...no no no!
The world desperately needs to learn how to look within to their creative side for answers, that's what inspired the damn books and the laws they contain ass clown! Laws are only laws because we are to fucking stupid to make new ones, preoccupation with crossing t's and dotting i's has that effect on the weak! You are so busy looking at the complex that you miss the simple, this happens to all wannabe know it all's, myself included. You are hopelessly fucked, where as I've found what I am looking for. So Chris....in conclusion, be fucked!
Regards
For those interested in the Zero force Motor
Ron
https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM
Nice video Ron,but fact is,many here have been using coils in this manor for years,and the zero force motor is nothing special,and uses the coils magnetic field in the very same way a PM DC motor dose,and has been doing for over 50 years--but fun to mess around with.
Brad
Thanks Brad, just working towards a working model, so nice to understand what it is that is taking place before I commit to metal and plastic.
Ron
How can one delay or alter that which is instantaneous?
John.
One thing to remember,the center of either a PM or an electromagnet that some mistakenly refer to as the blotch wall,and being the neutral or weakest part or area of weakest magnetic field strenght,is actually not a blotch wall ,and is actually the point of the greatest field strength,which includes the greatest electric field where an electromagnet is concerned.
I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....
@tinman
Actually no, as I have measured and mapped the magnetic fields with sensitive hall effect magnetometer arrays which prove otherwise. We could ask a simple question, when two opposite conditions come together what do you get... ambient conditions. Not unlike positive and negative charge coming together to negate each others external field, not unlike a positive air pressure and a negative air pressure mixing to become no air pressure. I'm really not sure how anything could be more blatantly obvious because we see these effects all around us everywhere every single minute of every day.
Do you have proof to justify your obviously false claim?.
AC
Bit harsh,your treatment of the tinman Erfinder?
John.
I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....
Regards
You into dribble?
You aren't qualified to see my work.
masiha....man I love it when you do this blatantly ignorant shit....HELLO spell check, use it! The word is "messiah". Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie. I know what I'm talking about, and it matters little to me that you don't.
I still say my video has more content than the 300 or so videos you've posted. Many of them painfully long, too long, as you drag your ass through the scope and meter connections, you know the general ass kissing routine, police yourself bitch. Keep those ducks in line, because its so much more important to practice good measurement than it is to present a genuine original idea.
Me a coward (roar)? No prob, I'm still two up on you, and your side kick copy paste.....I got a heart, and a brain....you too lack both....
Ah you noticed...I was hoping you noticed. I am not interested in comparing apples and oranges. We aren't on the same page, we aren't on the same planet. You don't have anything of interest, in a word, you're "lame"... weasels are clever....lame is just pathetic.....
This devotion you too share is amazing, the resident copy paste junkie couldn't find his way into a moist slit even if he possessed the sense of smell of a blood hound, but you keep kissing his ass, you do that well. You two are so damn smart (not) but between the two of you one can't find an original thought. You can call what I say garbage, I take it as a compliment from the resident illiterate. I read somewhere, or saw it in a movie not sure which, anyway.... "For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was!" How's that for a quote copy paste...not a question....Hell yeah, I am good and lost, got no strings on me.....bitch...
Not into medication, but I will have a beer.....
cheers clowns...
I applaud you for your perseverance and ability to deal with a bunch of slow learners ! I would have given up long ago.
You into dribble?
Not into medication, but I will have a beer.....
cheers clowns...
masiha....man I love it when you do this blatantly ignorant shit....HELLO spell check, use it! The word is "messiah".
This devotion you too share is amazing, the resident copy paste junkie couldn't find his way into a moist slit even if he possessed the sense of smell of a blood hound, but you keep kissing his ass, you do that well. You two are so damn smart (not) but between the two of you one can't find an original thought. You can call what I say garbage, I take it as a compliment from the resident illiterate. I read somewhere, or saw it in a movie not sure which, anyway.... "For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was!" How's that for a quote copy paste...not a question....Hell yeah, I am good and lost, got no strings on me.....bitch...
Me a coward (roar)? No prob, I'm still two up on you, and your side kick copy paste.....I got a heart, and a brain....you too lack both....
Ah you noticed...I was hoping you noticed. I am not interested in comparing apples and oranges. We aren't on the same page, we aren't on the same planet. You don't have anything of interest, in a word, you're "lame"... weasels are clever....lame is just pathetic.....
You aren't qualified to see my work.
Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie. I know what I'm talking about, and it matters little to me that you don't.
I still say my video has more content than the 300 or so videos you've posted. Many of them painfully long, too long, as you drag your ass through the scope and meter connections, you know the general ass kissing routine, police yourself bitch. Keep those ducks in line, because its so much more important to practice good measurement than it is to present a genuine original idea.
Yes, I was sent here to save people from the likes of you and copy paste junkie
I get slammed by these two, and no one sheds a tear....to answer your question.....no....
Regards
Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.
This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.
This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.
He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.
@Erfinder
I have found truth generally comes to light by asking the right questions which may eventually reveal the truth. One cannot fight a pack of hyenas and win, you dig a pit, bait them and let the truth of their own nature produce the desired result.
I had an interesting question the other day, a friend said "thank God". I then said "oh you believe in God?"...*as everyone nearby who knows me rolled their eye's*. I then asked, "if you believe in a God because you cannot believe the universe always was and must have been created then what created God?". Personally, my not understanding why the universe exists seems more believable to me than believing a God created from nothing created the universe from nothing because there are many things I do not understand. However something from apparently nothing such as Gods, the Universe and Energy is generally where I draw the line.
AC
Masiha-->, gives you the desire to understand and help others with their problems but, at the same time, you can become too involved and worrying as the result.
::)
Lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeZ_F1op9N8&index=7&list=FLsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w
You have no heart,only the desire to shoot down those that dont agree with you,and if you had half a brain,you'd be dangerous.
Well,we have all seen what you have--oh wait,no we havnt ::)
The only reason we wont see anything from you,is because you know i could explain it away in a heartbeat,and it will conform to known science. That would mean you have nothing special to show-as you claim to have-->and that would not be good for you ;)
Seen your work--dont need to be qualified to explain it.
The problem you have,is you do not understand your own work--that has always been your downfall.
What i see is a case of-->if you cant dazzle them with brilliance,then baffle them with bullshit. ;)
Your video showed what? .
You have no original idea's,as all that you do has been done before--and there is nothing special or magical about it. It is only your lack of understanding that make's it special to you.
And yet it is you that now has Hoptoad wasting his time on something that will achieve nothing--unless he wants a big bathroom heater.
Brad
Just one comment
to my knowledge Milehigh is not banned , apparently Terms of use rules are being enforced ,and selective Moderation applied.
I know this moderation is annoying to Stefan as well as frustrating to members.
it would be better to stay within the agreed boundaries of the Forum rules.
respectfully
Chet
Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.
This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.
This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.
AC, this is a very clever post.
Any and every Induced EMF, no matter how many times an Induced EMF occurs, in a single System, has an Effect of the Source, does it not?
But, if the Source is no longer a part of the System, switched out, then the Source is no longer affected, as you say.
How long can a Magnetic Field be kept High after Switch out of the Source?
In a super conductor, indefinitely, for ever in our terms, no Source, but Magnetic Field stays High... Electron’s keep going and going and going…
So the Source can change. Not necessarily the Polarity, depending on point of View, but the Location in the system can very easily be changed. This can be done many ways. A common way is to short one coil… This I know you are very well aware of.
One point of view does not make for any proof, how you term:
He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.
A Postulate, everyone agrees, with no proof… Although most experiments might hold, who’s to say one wont. After all, Charges are already in constant motion, all having their own Centrifugal forces… Thus making it true that a simple Magnet, will Violate Earnshaw's theorem before this experiment was even proposed - Surely we agree on this point?
There in lays the very basis of how we currently understand the Magnetic Field.
I was surprised to read this post.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Yes i do AC,and it is obvious that you must have mapped the field incorrectly.[/size]I am also sure you have seen my test that i carried out,and you will also find that people of the likes of Poynt agree with me-perhaps he has time to answer this question as well.Like i said,the center of either an electromagnet or PM being of the weakest field,fools many people,as it is actually the strongest part of the field.
To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:[/size] 1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current. 2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field. 3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.
So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!
@EmJunkie
Yes, a magnetic field change will produce Electro-Magnetic Induction and as Faraday said it does not matter how the change occurs only that it does. Which raises the question... how many ways could the magnetic field change occur and how many other ways are unknown to us?. In this respect we are only limited by our imagination and how we would conceive to invoke such a change.
For instance a solar flare occurs at the Sun and some ninety eight hours later we detect a magnetic field disturbance here on Earth... how does Lenz Law apply?. Obviously it's not like a magnet on a rotor inducing a current in a conductor which produces a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field of the rotor. The disturbance travels through space ninety eight hours before it produces an effect here on Earth thus Lenz Law has limitations with respect to time and distance. It takes time for a cause to produce an effect and within this time frame we have options.
It is in these kinds of thought experiments that Lenz Law fails to hold relevance and as I said we are only limited by our imagination as to how we choose to solve these technical problems.
AC
In 1859, the Earth suffered a rather frightning event.
The Carrington event of 1859 - the largest solar flare ever recorded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNf8xK67JA)
The Sun, 149.6 million km's away from the Earth, had a coronal mass ejection (CME), this hit the Earth after 18 Hours.
When hitting the Earth, it sent the Telegraph Systems into complete dissaray. Setting fire to parts of it and destroying a great portion of it.
Do you think after 18 more hours the effects Lenz's Law reached the Sun?
Daniels Coils are very likely arranged to do something similar... Induction, via a small scale pulse in comparision, from the Motor and or the switch on event, the arrangement vs the frequency, probably could be calculated: 3×108 m/s divided by X Hz = X metres
0.02M between the two standalone Coils indicate a Frequency of about: 15000MHz or 15GHz
Not that I wish to attempt a replication, I leave that for others, but this is an example of how I try to use Diakoptics to see how something may work.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Twelve coils in series , the field has to propagate in those windings, Shut the first one off before it gets to number twelve, Or better yet, shut it off and fire it before the propagation hits twelve.
@tinman
Touché, I would be interested to hear how you conducted your test and it is important that the instrument used not be subject to magnetic induction. That is no iron and no magnetic materials which produce a secondary field influencing the results. This is why I use hall effect sensors exclusively which are mostly benign so far as any real influence on the field to be measured is concerned.
AC
First up,what type of hall effect sensor did you use?
First simple test,one which im sure you have tried.
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.
Second test is with an electromagnet.
We take a long solenoid/coil-say 1 inch in diameter,and 4 inches long,and we use this as our primary. We then have a flat pancake type coil,that is say 1/4 inch thick,with ID just enough to slide over the primary coil,and an OD of say 2 1/2 inches. We now pulse a DC current,or apply an AC current to the primary. You will find that the secondary will produce the most power when placed in the center of the primary-not at either end where you think the magnetic field is strongest.
Once again,the magnetic(and electric field in this case),is strongest at the center of the electromagnet--not at the ends.
You still need many rice to eat. boy! ;D
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.
@tinman
I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.
Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.
Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.
Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.
So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.
AC
In 1931, Paul Dirac, one of the rock stars of the physics world, made the somewhat startling prediction that "magnetic monopoles," or particles possessing only a single pole—either north or south—should exist. His conclusion stemmed from examining a famous set of equations that explains the relationship between electricity and magnetism. Maxwell's equations apply to long-known electric monopole particles, such as negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons; but despite Dirac's prediction, no one has found magnetic monopole particles.
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp
The team created their monopoles in a compound made of oxygen, titanium and dysprosium that, when cooled to nearly absolute zero, forms what scientists call "spin ice." The material freezes into four-sided crystals (a pyramid with a triangular base) and the magnetic orientation, or "spin," of the ions at each of the four tips align so that their spins are balanced—two spins point inward and two outward. But using neutron beams at the NCNR, the team found they could knock one of the spins askew so that instead three point in, one out … "creating a monopole, or at least its mathematical equivalent,"
Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp
I would say that the strongest magnetic field would be at the poles.
Once you try to part two magnets you've essentially got two
individual magnets and hence the attraction will be greatest.
The electric field,however,is quite different.
John.
@tinman
Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.
So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.
AC
I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.
Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.
Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.
But you dont have two individual magnets until they are parted. While you are trying to part them,they are still one magnet.
A lot of people confuse field concentration (the poles) with total field value.
The greatest total field value is at the center of the magnet-not at the poles.
Brad
Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.
Ron
Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.
Ron
Nice Work Ron!!!
If you have more than one kind of Hall Probe, I recommend running the same test again with that. I have done this test and got different results with different probes. This was back on the "Magnet Myths and Misconceptions (http://overunity.com/14974/magnet-myths-and-misconceptions/msg430877/#msg430877)" thread some time back.
Please excuse my behaviour, there was a bit of a harassment going on in those days between parties.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Thanks Chris,
Were you reading the forum back on page 7? Because to days test is more or less confirmation of my video:
https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM (https://youtu.be/yC4g0XCgEqM)
Ron
Indeed Ron
Good job.
I would love to see your zero force motor up and running when it's completed.
Brad
I did see that, yes! I thought I had responded?
Sorry, looks like I may have lost a post somewhere...
Nice Work, it is simple experiments like this, that we can learn the most from!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.
Ron
now that you mention it , yes you did, I was having a seniors moment... I will be 81 end of this month, so I can get away with a lot, LOL
Ron
Now test top to bottom with the hall arrow pointing to the right. As in the hall face outward from the coil/magnet.
It is not that all of the N face flux goes all the way to the S face. Some reenters the sides. You can see this with the hall. Once you get the grip with XYZ of the hall orientation you will be able to map out the fields of the coil/mag.
Mags
Lets look at the picture below-->what color line has the highest total magnetic flux flowing through it in one direction ?
What part of the field would cause the greatest induction to occur in a secondary coil?.
@tinman
Okay I see where your going, however the textbook picture you posted below is inaccurate and the actual total field at the center (blue line) can extend many feet to the side as can the total field past the poles (red line).
The poles I think because while there may be slightly less lines (less flux) the line density is greater (greater field density). In reality a coil will never be induced by all the flux lines at the center red line unless your coil is two feet in diameter which is impractical. On the other hand a small coil covering the whole pole face/end will be induced by nearly all the flux having a very much greater flux density.
You did try covering the whole pole face/end of the core/coil with a secondary coil of identical wire length to your center coil to determine the difference in inductive properties didn't you?. The problem we know all too well is that most of the time our best laid plans are foiled by reality. We see a picture in a textbook or run a simulation and say hey this looks easy. Then we hit the bench and all hell breaks loose and nothing is as it seemed, that's reality and it's a bitch.
Meanwhile I noticed an anomaly in the hall sensor scans I did a year or so ago which EMJ referred to that may prove interesting...back to the bench.
AC
@AC - I too have found that some Hall Probes are problematic, I asked Ron to try a few different types for this reason. I don’t want to speculate too much, but suspect that some probes detect the Electric Field Intensity as the Magnetic Field and as a result gives an Incorrect Magnetic Field Reading. I am not totally sure on this however...
In effect when I_ron was taking his gauss meter readings and the measure approached zero near the pole this was not because the field strength was decreasing to zero. It was because the direction of the flux was now near 90 degrees to the sensor face and the sensor could not detect it. As I said we must be very careful concerning what we think we are measuring and how we are taking the measurement. If the flux direction is 45 degrees off from the sensor face then we see about one half the real field density measurement and when the flux direction is 90 degrees off from the sensor face we see zero of the real field density measurement. For the record I was making the same mistakes as I_ron and my graphs should have been corrected to compensate for the sensor face/flux direction deviations.
AC
To try and keep this discussion relevant let me again state, that as tinman built JB's Zero Force motor and I am currently in the process of building one the focus was on the directionality of the flux lines that propel the external magnet along its path.
Now JB claims to switch "at the block wall", Whereas tinman and myself are suggesting that this is not relevant. What I was attempting to show in my video was that there are two lock up points at each end of a solenoid coil and that in between there is a rather continuous motive force independent of any block wall... and that the strongest field is in the middle.
My understanding at the moment is that these flux lines are a flow. That any static depiction is inherently misleading because the inclusion of an external magnet and the "flow" automatically adjusts to conform to this intrusion.
@I_ron
I'm not sure if you know this but I built and tested the motor you are trying to build as well as a generator based on the same principals around 5 years ago. I built and tested many variations of both and posted some of the designs in this forum. I built one similar motor in which the driving coil could not be induced by the rotor magnet in any way which was kind of neat.
Here is what I found concerning the motor your trying to build, first there is no flow and there are no flux lines and there are no North/South poles as these are simply notations. The field has direction we call polarity and it has field density we call strength or magnitude. In your video you simply demonstrated the fact that opposite poles attract and like poles repel. What makes this setup different however is the fact that the rotor magnet is simultaneously in attraction and repulsion with only one stator coil but utilizing the field from both ends of the coil in the same instance.
Now why do you suppose the strongest force is in the middle?, because the magnet is interacting with both poles of the coil simultaneously not only one. Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core. When the coil is on the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the nearest unlike pole and is repelled from the nearest like pole. You can prevent the lock up at the coil poles by momentarily switching off the current at the poles and you may also reverse the coil current after the magnet has left the coil poles to increase the force on the rotor. Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.
What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.
AC
@I_ron
What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.
AC
@EMJ
Here's the trick, the hall effect sensor only measures the flux through the sensor face which means it is a directional sensor. In my Labview setup with an oscilloscope graph and bar graph I can easily see large swings at any given point simply by rotating the sensor on it's axis. This tells me the exact direction of the flux at any given point and the max value correlates to the max field density and direction. In effect simply moving the sensor face straight through any region will always give inaccurate readings because the flux/sensor face angle changes.
In effect when I_ron was taking his gauss meter readings and the measure approached zero near the pole this was not because the field strength was decreasing to zero. It was because the direction of the flux was now near 90 degrees to the sensor face and the sensor could not detect it. As I said we must be very careful concerning what we think we are measuring and how we are taking the measurement. If the flux direction is 45 degrees off from the sensor face then we see about one half the real field density measurement and when the flux direction is 90 degrees off from the sensor face we see zero of the real field density measurement. For the record, last year I was making the same mistake as I_ron and my graphs should have been corrected to compensate for the sensor face/flux direction deviations.
AC
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Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core.
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Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.
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Then to if you were more familiar with my work....
That was a quick and nasty red neck switch used to make a point.
Below is a better example of my switching on Phil Wood's 16/24 somaloy cored Motor. It is an hall effect switched, to 7555 one shots and CD4011 lock out logic to a MC33883 H bridge pre driver. 20 pin soic's are just a bit beyond my board making skills so I have taken to using break out boards... and this helps in trouble shooting also as they are pluggable.
However for the Zero Force what I had in mind was opto's to a gate driver and mosfet... on a bread board, nothing to out of the ordinary
Ron
Below is a better example of my switching on Phil Wood's 16/24 somaloy cored Motor. It is an hall effect switched, to 7555 one shots and CD4011 lock out logic to a MC33883 H bridge pre driver. 20 pin soic's are just a bit beyond my board making skills so I have taken to using break out boards... and this helps in trouble shooting also as they are pluggable.
However for the Zero Force what I had in mind was opto's to a gate driver and mosfet... on a bread board, nothing to out of the ordinary
@I_ron
I'm not sure if you know this but I built and tested the motor you are trying to build as well as a generator based on the same principals around 5 years ago. I built and tested many variations of both and posted some of the designs in this forum. I built one similar motor in which the driving coil could not be induced by the rotor magnet in any way which was kind of neat.
Here is what I found concerning the motor your trying to build, first there is no flow and there are no flux lines and there are no North/South poles as these are simply notations. The field has direction we call polarity and it has field density we call strength or magnitude. In your video you simply demonstrated the fact that opposite poles attract and like poles repel. What makes this setup different however is the fact that the rotor magnet is simultaneously in attraction and repulsion with only one stator coil but utilizing the field from both ends of the coil in the same instance.
What I can tell you is your not going anywhere using that infernal manual switch shown in the video, the switching must be of the proper magnitude, timing and duration with respect to the rotor magnet.
AC
Now why do you suppose the strongest force is in the middle?, because the magnet is interacting with both poles of the coil simultaneously not only one. Why does the rotor magnet lock up at the coil ends?, when the coil is off the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the core material which ends at the end of the core. When the coil is on the magnetic field from the magnet couples to the nearest unlike pole and is repelled from the nearest like pole. You can prevent the lock up at the coil poles by momentarily switching off the current at the poles and you may also reverse the coil current after the magnet has left the coil poles to increase the force on the rotor. Why switch at the center of the stator coil or supposed bloch wall?, because the rotor magnet interacts with both stator coil poles equally following the inverse square law. As well we should note that at the exact center of the stator core the field from the rotor magnet should diverge towards both ends of the stator core equally provided the coil was not energized prior. Does this matter?... maybe it does maybe it doesn't.
If that was the case,then the magnet should see the same force anywhere along that coil,because even though it may be further away from one pole,it will be closer to the other,and so if you want to use your inverse square law,then the force applied to the magnet should be equal anywhere along that coils length--but it is no. The greatest force against that magnet will be at the center of the coil,not at either end.
[size=0px]Inverse square law-->[/size][size=0px]The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law.[/size]
Below is a quick sketch of field strength of a coil when a current is applied.
With the zero force motor(as is with any other PM DC motor) you would want to switch the coil on when the magnet on the rotor is a point 3,and switch of when the magnet is at point 5.
The mid point of a PM or an electromagnet is not a bloch wall,nor is it void of a magnetic field.
It is in fact the point where the magnetic field is greatest.
If that was the case,then the magnet should see the same force anywhere along that coil,because even though it may be further away from one pole,it will be closer to the other,and so if you want to use your inverse square law,then the force applied to the magnet should be equal anywhere along that coils length--but it is no. The greatest force against that magnet will be at the center of the coil,not at either end.
Inverse square law-->The intensity of the influence at any given radius r is the source strength divided by the area of the sphere. Being strictly geometric in its origin, the inverse square law applies to diverse phenomena. Point sources of gravitational force, electric field, light, sound or radiation obey the inverse square law.
Below is a quick sketch of field strength of a coil when a current is applied.
With the zero force motor(as is with any other PM DC motor) you would want to switch the coil on when the magnet on the rotor is a point 3,and switch of when the magnet is at point 5.
If a thin pancake type coil was made(the secondary)to slide over the primary(coil depicted),then the greatest output from the secondary-when the primary was pulsed with a DC current,or an AC current is applied to the primary,will be when the secondary is at point 4.
The mid point of a PM or an electromagnet is not a bloch wall,nor is it void of a magnetic field.
It is in fact the point where the magnetic field is greatest.
Brad
Well here it is running
https://youtu.be/SGRBk6lWAf4
Ron
Very nice build Ron,and a decent RPM as well.
What amount of power does it consume at top speed ?, and are you collecting,or using the inductive kickback ?.
Brad
Thanks Chris, Brad,
haven't done any tests yet but it is running with a diode across the two coils, will play with it to day, all going well
Ron
Like most Ron, you take what the man says at face value. snip
Anyway....the attached was produced by one of many machines that I built investigating this subject.
Regards
Now I must confess that the six pole zero force design was a flop.
Ron
Brad,
I am not entirely in agreement with JB's statement in his videos that this, 'Zero Force' is a non-generator.
Naudin showed way back when that this configuration can induce a voltage.
Ron
It was a flop according to who? A flop by what standard? I too have a six pole machine, and like you indicate, mine also generates a sinewave which is cleaner in appearance than anything I have ever seen built by anyone! That machine was the last one I built before I switched geometry. That machine is dragless by the standard which is collectively agreed upon among those who only have eyes for the dragless condition. If you got the machine wired up right, and the proper relation between the inducing and induced, yours should be dragless as well. Be wise sir, investigate carefully before you conclude that there is nothing there, you are seconds from throwing away that which none have demonstrated here, save one, (me) I was ignored.
added.....
This design opens the door to what I have referred to in the past as the "rectangular transformation matrix". That statement motivated the resident plagiarist to rush in and inform me that I was wrong. That same individual wasn't able to generate the same conditions in his apparatus when asked, and still hasn't to this day.
Regards
we can speculate off forum.
Regards
..., and yet, when we review the accepted literature, we find support, and the insane doesn't look so insane anymore.
The only time we truly fail, is when our effort is centered around the idea of copying and pasting, the term being thrown around is "replication".
Regards
Brad,
I am not entirely in agreement with JB's statement in his videos that this, 'Zero Force' is a non-generator.
Naudin showed way back when that this configuration can induce a voltage.
Ron
snip..That's one reason why I'm more interested in air core designs these days.
As I have stated more often than not, ones connection with the material is what I am most interested in.
snip..
All that to say this, do I know something you don't......I would like to think I do....
Regards
snip..I have no examples to give that are either unique, out of the ordinary, or even terribly interesting, other than favorable power to weight ratio characteristics.
Hi hoptoad, My generator is an air core but also acts as its' own motor.
Do you have any examples of air core designs.
Thanks artv
my objection to this test is that this is no proof.
Why ?
1)
Due diligence demands another test without the neons.
I would expect the recovery-condenser charging faster without neons.
2)
without schematics this test remains just a claim... no proof.
Schematic would show if he has applied appropriate electronic means of capturing the the maximum possible collapse-energy.
regards
Kator
Kator,your just banging your head against a brick wall,if you think you will get any sense at all from Erfinder-or anything useful.
He will ask for your opinion,and in the next post,he will say that he was not asking for your opinion.
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So in one post,he is asking everyone a question,and in the next post he is not asking anyone anything :D
What he showed in his video,is once again-nothing new.
I once thought he was miles ahead,but now i see just how far behind he is.
Brad
What you two guys are missing is that was a rhetorical question.... he knows the answer and is about to tell you.
@I_ron
It is a matter of depth in my opinion and some peoples thoughts are like a lake ... expansive, deep and clear. Then we have others who's thoughts are like spilling a glass of water on the floor...shallow, transparent and predictable. I think most know exactly who we are referring to in this respect.
AC
Although thinly disguised that is still character assassination. Do we need that?
On a note of interest I consider Erfinder a great mind but much more important to me a genuinely good person and hopefully the unthinking hordes with honed pitchforks and torches blazing do not sway his resolve, you are lucky to have him.
Personal attacks are counter productive, period. All they do is put on public display one's ignorance and emotional insecurity.
How can we expect a better world if here at the macro level we show no empathy, tolerance or understanding for our fellow researchers?
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I hope you guys have been following Keshe?
Keshe said one thing that really caught my attention.
The Soul of a man manifests fields, so many that he has a physical body. That is what Souls do. A man can manifest anything he needs, and take from the universe what he needs. If he instead turns to greed, and does not give of his abundance to others, the universe cannot give any more to him, as he is full.
So the concept is to learn to give to others, of your abundance, and the Soul we are becomes satisfied.
This is a total reversing of the general attitude of the money concept, where we all have to compete to gain financial security just to survive. We are conditioned to take, hoard, and think only of ourselves, while others in the world starve.
A reversal of the entire system.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwxHYZDfyyc)
Ron
@i_ron
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There is no need to assassinate anyone's character as you say because we do this quite well all by ourselves. As well now that you mention it who's character do you think I was assassinating because I didn't mention anyone by name but I'm sure everyone has someone in mind. I guess the obvious question is who's name came to mind and why because I don't know what others are thinking. Thus we come full circle don't we?, and it is this preconceived notion of things which generally comes round to bite us in the ass. Such is life in this strange place we call home.
On a note of interest I consider Erfinder a great mind but much more important to me a genuinely good person and hopefully the unthinking hordes with honed pitchforks and torches blazing do not sway his resolve, you are lucky to have him.
AC
Couldn't agree more Ron,but i give what is given to me.
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Sorry guy's,but i dont take crap like that from anyone that disrespects the work i do,the way Erfinder has.
Brad
Yes, Erfinder is miles ahead of me. But if I ever figure some of it out and can do it myself, I promise all of you will be able to as well. Maybe it's where I'm at in life's journey. Seems I can teach better than I can learn.
Erfinder is also very easy to get along with. All you need to do is think for yourself and bring something new to the table. Just don't be surprised if what you think is new, he's seen and done years ago. Some of the long hours I spent with him would cost a small fortune to get by way of formal education. I kick myself for not taking better notes. :-[
No untrue, or exaggerated statements were made....You do yourself a disservice by highlighting that post.....every bit of it is true.
Truth as you see it isn't truth, its truth as you see it. Fact is, I am showing something new to all who choose to appreciate it. This party is just starting, when it reaches climax depends on the vested interests, it's not a one man show like it has been...it's not about you.
You would have demonstrated great wisdom by stopping at "what's the big deal...." Everything that followed where you should have stopped, shows you are clueless as to what's going on in that stupid simple quick demo, and have offered your best wrong guess. This isn't a guessing game.
The LAG is an abomination, and the rotary transformer was/is an unfinished abomination. Feel free to comment on my non existing work. You share what you have, and have shared nothing, from this one can safely assume you have nothing? The ignorant have demonstrated time and time again that they are the only ones who think I talk in riddles.
I don't make hour long videos that say nothing.
snip....Interesting effect.
one set-up was strange though and am trying to build it again , I would fire the coils for drive only for an instant and 180 deg. later the coils were giving a big kick to the rotation , a much bigger kick than the original dump.
It's like the coils themselves were acting like caps somehow.
I like to see the work of others sometimes it helps.Yes, I like to see the work of others too. Like most here, I suffer from severe curiosity. :) An ailment I'm happy to bear. ;)
Thanks to all who contribute.
artv
The ignore function works, just wanted to share that in case anyone felt the need to use it, I just added two individuals. Felt good.....Ah,i see.
Regards
Action and reaction are not sequential, they are not equal opposite, they are simultaneous-sequential, they are asymmetrical.
snip....LOL. I do remember you and I, and a few others, apparently being a thorn in the side of a certain TH.
Sound good? Good, then we won't go into my relationship with Thane or Matt, LOL
Ron
snip...@Erfinder
The majority only consider "recovery", (kickback, the spike) the sequential effect of a well understood cause. They are oblivious to the simultaneous aspect of recovery because those who provided them with that which they possess didn't tell them about the simultaneous aspect of recovery.
snip...
Regards
I remember that.....No, while I am referring to transformer action, I am not applying it like you are. There are two key differences between what you are suggesting and what I am doing.Cheers. Thanks for the lines! There's probably going to be a big time lag between me absorbing fresh information and actually putting it into practice . LOL Somebody hold that bus, I'm running late, again!
One, I prefer mosfets.....you know why......
Two, the second winding should not be rectified in this manner.....regardless of negative associations.
Regards
Nope I haven't but I did build an air core, single phase, pulsed DC machine which exhibits the same phenomena that he references here:
https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520
I completely support the idea that beat frequency generation is involved here. Of all that he is demonstrating, this concept has the most promise in my opinion, especially as it relates to air core systems.
Regards
Motoring and generating are always taking place at the same time. So far I have only mentioned the simultaneous-sequential nature of cause and effect as it applies to recovery. I have not said anything regarding motoring and generating proper. Were I to agree with you, I would be saying nothing you don't know already. The generation that you are familiar with, the one operating inside your motor winding, is not being harvested. Can it be harvested?
Lenz offered us a way to look at things, that's it. We can choose to follow his lead, or we can blaze our own trail guided by his suggestion. I practice the latter. To truly neutralize the effect that Lenz has on your system you simply need to comprehend what he's saying. I suggested that beat generation is the solution, it says it all, when you recognize what's being said, when you comprehend what's being implied. Murray said the motor would need 1500v to run without the caps.....I know why the amperage shot up, cause I built a machine that does the same thing. The resident basher says it's stupid....and this only because he don't get it, he only sees a heater...... My god, some (one in particular) are so blind, and you people put these folks in charge.....
Regards
LOL. I do remember you and I, and a few others, apparently being a thorn in the side of a certain TH.
But I don't actually remember any meanness from either of us. (Maybe I'm being selective, LOL) Though I do remember myself and yourself and a few others copping a lot of flak, and obfuscation from the other side of the opinion divide. ;D
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Cheers Ron... and keep on keepin' Ron!
If I were asked to pick a hero Murray or Brad.....it's a no brainer.
Regards
Nope I haven't but I did build an air core, single phase, pulsed DC machine which exhibits the same phenomena that he references here:
https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520 (https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520)
I completely support the idea that beat frequency generation is involved here. Of all that he is demonstrating, this concept has the most promise in my opinion, especially as it relates to air core systems.
Regards
Right on!!! I would pick Brad also! Glad that is over and done with....
(Humour)
Ron
Can I use the GPL to license hardware? (#GPLHardware)
Any material that can be copyrighted can be licensed under the GPL. GPLv3 can also be used to license materials covered by other copyright-like laws, such as semiconductor masks. So, as an example, you can release a drawing of a physical object or circuit under the GPL.
In many situations, copyright does not cover making physical hardware from a drawing. In these situations, your license for the drawing simply can't exert any control over making or selling physical hardware, regardless of the license you use. When copyright does cover making hardware, for instance with IC masks, the GPL handles that case in a useful way.
Lets get some Guidelines going, No particular Order:
1: Entrants must agree on the same baseline Type/Make/Model of Motor.
2: Entrants must document at every stage for the final entry.
3: Entrants must be willing to concede to the voters.
4: Circuits must be accurate and disclosed to the voters.
5: Entrants must be serious about this challange!
6: All submitted videos must be longer than 30 seconds.
7: Videos must show the entire device, nothing hidden and nothing secret.
8: All data must be Scientific and Real, no fairy tale BS...
9: If the entrant chooses, torque and electrical output can be included in the Data. Both must be recorded at the same time.
10: Major modifications must be passed by the other entrants, but Permanent Magnets can be added.
Gee Help me out guys!!! What else?
Also: "beat frequency generation" - Really? You really dont know what this is? What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.
And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now. You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that. Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent.
If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming. The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth. Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community. You think you are helping folk, but you aren't. What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform. You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned? So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING. Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF? To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread.
Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...
Retards
Once again,Jim is lost,and dose not know what AC Induction motor slip is-so he came up with beat frequency generation [/size]I can(and have) replicated this effect using an !off the shelf! AC induction motor,and variac--it's that simple. At low voltages,where the frequency remains at 50/60Hz,the motor will !slip!. When the voltage gets high enough,the poles of the motor will grab the frequency,and synchronize with it.
You can't read......Not no, Hell no....
I have no interest in joining your boy band....HELL NO. The two of you can work that out on your own.
@tinman
Think of it this way brad, I have two pulleys and a belt connecting them and if the belt is tight then the transmission of force is constant like DC. Now let's loosen the belt and let it start to vibrate like our LC tank does. At which point the inertia of the drive belt itself and it's small loss/gain in motion may periodically increase or decrease the speed of either the drive or load pulley.
We find that the belt oscillation overdrives the load pulley and then because the belt is connecting the two pulley's and oscillating the load pulley then transfers this energy to the drive pulley... then repeats. I know these things because I'm a farm boy and I have a knack for having machinery vibrate itself apart at the drop of a hat.
You can also use a two pendulum system as I have built to show the effect better. Take a lever with a fulcrum in the middle then attach one pendulum to each end of the lever. Set one pendulum in motion and you will see an alternation where one pendulum slows as the other increases then at some point the energy transfer reverses. The pendulum which was increasing is now slowing and the pendulum which was slowing is now increasing. These are oscillating/alternating systems and are easy to understand.
AC
I'm not sure where your going here because I have absolutely no issues proving what you say cannot be done in both mechanical and electrical systems. It's not a problem in fact I have more of a problem trying to get rid of the phenomena than I do creating it.
You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.
Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.
And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now. You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that. Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent.
If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming. The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth. Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community. You think you are helping folk, but you aren't. What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform. You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned? So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING. Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF? To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread.
Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...
Retards
Brad, none of my posts were directed at you, snip
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Sounds like fun Chris.[/size]Im in if you can get Erfinder to accept the challenge as well,as it is he that stated my works are abominations,and my challenge is to those that have much to say about my work,but never have the balls to challenge it.
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition
Same here Brad, no problem. The problem is, is that it has become a polarity issue where the group has to pick sides... this is nonsense.
If the different points of view could be presented with less "certainty" and left with a wee bit of wiggle room, then we could add and subtract without hostility taking place. .......
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I want to be on good terms with both parties and not have to chose sides, OK?
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Regards, Ron
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)
P.S: Why is Three the Magic Number? Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction... Newton's Laws of Motion...
Find the most simple means of generating one first. No caps, its easier than you think, or have been led to believe....
Regards
I hate to do this, but I must remind you, ron, that you started to take sides and polarised this topic when I posted my doubts ( reply #210) about the " we can " Vid by erfinder. You even posted this here in reply #214:
"What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us."
So now the truth starts shining through this veil of illusion erfinder was trying to establish in order to distract attention from the topic of this thread.
By the way - to mention Keshe as an argument is the worst you can do to yourself after all we know now about this guy:
http://www.keshefacts.org/ (http://www.keshefacts.org/)
https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/ (https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/)
Mike
OK AC,here is your challenge.[/size]Show me any device that gains energy by way of this !so called! beat frequency phenomena .I would also advise both your self and Erfinder to put forward your description of what beat frequency phenomena-or what beat frequency is to you?.
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)
What if !some! here learn the difference between beat frequency propagation,-- nodes,and antinodes in electromagnetic standing waves. ;)
Brad
Magnetic effects vary on the square of the Current.
I guess you are right! At that time I was coming in on erfinders side... now I am coming in on Brad's side. Confused by the ongoing virulence? you could say so
However I stand corrected on Duff and Keshe. Thanks for the heads up! I knew Alex was and a certain energiser club but that was news to me. However I stand by the sentiment of the quote that I posted. To justify that, it is my opinion that these false fronts often sprinkle their work with actual facts to try and make it believable. Then it just becomes a matter of winnowing out the chaff.
To be fair, I think Jim Murray's early work was helpfull. Before he got involved with the Murakami Army.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
We only have to answer the question : would the beat frequency when used as a source for tank circuit , affect the original place where it was created ? Or : if the mix of frequencies produce other frequency and that frequency is used to pump LC circuit how this would load the original source ?
Find a means for generating a beat frequency, and see for yourself how stupid the wannabe authorities sound when they say shit like, "yeah....constructive and destructive...." He hasn't built anything in this direction, I have. I'm not asking you to take my word for it nor join a team. Find the simplest means for generating a beat, and LOAD THE DAMN THING, see for yourself. Recognize the relation between the inducing has to the induced, there is no negative back coupling. Note the output, get mad, cause its low, comprehend why, study and recognize what is necessary to lift it back to "desired" levels.
They are beginning to talk major crap now, introducing things like nodes and antinodes...suggesting that folks learn what these things are. I have, and use them, haven't seen them operating at this level yet, and it's doubtful that I ever will.
Regards
@Brad - In terms of Constructive/Destructive Interference, in what order would you put these terms, of course we know there should always be three.
Shall we put some minds into overdrive tonight and get them thinking why how and in what order?
I can put dollars down on which horse will finish this race last!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
You cannot and will not lead anyone to anything practical, let alone useful.
I just say what others won't about yours and the resident plagiarist, copy paste junkie.
Your work is and will forever remain an abomination,
and you are one to talk, all you do is insult "others" work, hypocrite.
The ignore function works, just wanted to share that in case anyone felt the need to use it, I just added two individuals. Felt good.....
author=i_ron link=topic=15307.msg490912#msg490912 date=1472856669]
Hi Ron
It's not about taking side's.
The existence of this forum is built on searching for truth's,and weeding out the rubbish from the roses. It is about presenting fact's,and removing fictions,and we do a good job most of the time-->but some times the weeds just keep coming back.
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I will give you an example of fact and fiction--Jim Murray's dynaflux generator.
Brad
The relation of the added beats is such that it causes the isolated envelope to transition from a standing to traveling wave. Now you have a wave packet which bounces between impedances, a less than ideal set of circumstances (a situation which demands one's attention prior to trying to apply this for practical use) for the packet of energy you have worked hard at isolating and mobilizing.
Thanks Brad, well thought out experiment, I had missed that but see the connection now to the "dynaflux".
I am working on a Bob Teal rep at the moment, having foolishly sent $7 US to the "army", that was funny!
Ron
I dislike you because you are a wannabe know it all hypocrite, jackass, douchebag, drama queen. I will continue to voice my opinion that thinking individuals should ignore your abominations, specifically your pride and joys, the two lousy pieces of shit,
and pay closer attention to that which "you" say they should stay away from! Every pulsed and commutated motor on the planet is a rotary transformer, you ignorant, arrogant, illiterate fucked ass.
Funny thing is most of what you have you copied and pasted.....and got it wrong...You bash JB but still got his in your mouth, you can't seem to get away from his circuit....now that's funny...and pathetic,
so is my language, but I don't care. You see through the bull shit....please, your're blind in one eye and can't see out the other....you're blind without your meters...What a fucking joke, and call yourself, and expect your groupies to worship you as an authority on someone else's work?!? "It's not a fucking numbers game, it is for you, and as such you miss everything, and drag all who worship you down the fucking drain....this is a waste of time, you are a waste of time.
Oh and before I forget, for the record bitch (yeah I called you a bitch), I was talking about beat frequencies long before Murray went public, and also demonstrating the same, I don't share such with assclowns.
Once these things start...nothing gets done, well I get work done. I love imagining you getting all heated, right now I see you as a chicken in a tinman getup, with its feathers all ruffled and rustled up.....
Curious.......I don't recall mentioning gain....I do recall saying that the aforementioned was my ideal inducer (speculation, no....I don't think so). Thought this thread was about getting around the negative effects associated with Lenz...... Maybe this method leaves one with the impression that I am into strong narcotics.......What in the hell happened to this place.
Fuck you and the forum rules sucker. I know exactly what I'm doing.....
Thanks Brad, well thought out experiment, I had missed that but see the connection now to the "dynaflux".
I am working on a Bob Teal rep at the moment, having foolishly sent $7 US to the "army", that was funny!
Ron
You are an illiterate dip shit....I wasn't talking to you, and no, nothing can nor will be learned from your sorry ass....
You have to laugh Chris
Those that laughed at you,now use your terms of propagation :D
Action-reaction-counter reaction--->beat frequency
You will notice once again,that Erfinder avoided the results of Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator ::).
Guess he didnt think anyone would notice the trickery going on there.
All well and good to call some one elses work an abomination,when the man he thinks is !tha man!,has the worst ever generator in history.
But he cant get out of this one,as the proof is in !tha man's! own video lol.
Maybe people will take a step back now,and see who really is in lala land.
Brad
Your work is and will forever remain an abomination, and you are one to talk, all you do is insult "others" work, hypocrite. I just say what others won't about yours and the resident plagiarist, copy paste junkie.
You can't read......Not no, Hell no....
I have no interest in joining your boy band....HELL NO. The two of you can work that out on your own.
I dislike you because you are a wannabe know it all hypocrite, jackass, douchebag, drama queen. I will continue to voice my opinion that thinking individuals should ignore your abominations, specifically your pride and joys, the two lousy pieces of shit, and pay closer attention to that which "you" say they should stay away from! Every pulsed and commutated motor on the planet is a rotary transformer, you ignorant, arrogant, illiterate fucked ass. Funny thing is most of what you have you copied and pasted.....and got it wrong...You bash JB but still got his in your mouth, you can't seem to get away from his circuit....now that's funny...and pathetic, so is my language, but I don't care. You see through the bull shit....please, your're blind in one eye and can't see out the other....you're blind without your meters...What a fucking joke, and call yourself, and expect your groupies to worship you as an authority on someone else's work?!? "It's not a fucking numbers game, it is for you, and as such you miss everything, and drag all who worship you down the fucking drain....this is a waste of time, you are a waste of time. Oh and before I forget, for the record bitch (yeah I called you a bitch), I was talking about beat frequencies long before Murray went public, and also demonstrating the same, I don't share such with assclowns.
Once these things start...nothing gets done, well I get work done. I love imagining you getting all heated, right now I see you as a chicken in a tinman getup, with its feathers all ruffled and rustled up.....
And that is exactly what we are doing.
Before that can be done,we all must understand places where Lenz can hide.
I showed a good example of that in Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator.
You presented Jims work as being advanced in this area,and i showed that it is in actual fact,way behind in this area. In Jims dynaflux generator,Lenz hides within produced eddy currents,proven using Jims own numbers in his video.
You (like Jim) thought that the load(two bulbs) placed on the generator,placed no load on the prime mover,when in fact,the prime mover was heavily loaded before a load was even pulled from the generator.
These are the tricks people here can learn to watch for,and also shows where !Lenz! can be hiding.
The only reason you think this thread is not on track,is because it is not going the way you want it to go--that being,your way.
But hang in there Erfinder,you might just learn a thing or two,from the guys that build abominations ;)
Brad
Erfinder,
I am really surprised at your behavior. You may recall we have had a couple of conversations on Skype. I thought you were a gentleman. Now I see I was very wrong. It appears you are in the same category as Synchro 1. When someone shows you that you are mistaken instead of trying to answer from a technical viewpoint you go on the attack with name calling and vulgarity. Shame on you. Acting like a 10 year old bully instead of a grownup. I will no longer waste any time reading anything you post.
Carroll
Oye Vey
Isn't there a football game on ...?
Yeesh
perhaps a little quiet time Beating the cat or something ??
Tweeze a few nose hairs maybe ?
shooting holes in the boat is never a good idea , we need all the hands we can get around here
Ron
Do you have a schematic for the circuit you are using in your Teal replication.
And which one of his designs are you replicating ?
Brad
Hi Brad,
At the moment it is all in my head. So the first model is just to test the parameters. As has been pointed out, the material from Energetic, "the final, final, final, secret of free energy" does not say much. Aaron is touting the Scotch Yoke but in this case it suffers from the exact same faults as the crankshaft. Namely the pull in force of a solenoid is all in the final moment of closure. The Scotch Yoke and the crank shaft are at the 12:00 o'clock and 6:00 o'clock position... meaning no transfer of force is possible at that time. To solve this problem he has the timing set to be off !!! thus defeating the maximum force. He admits that his build is "not very powerful" and didn't even show it running.
So to get a better force transfer I am going with one way clutches, and just two solenoids. Just working on the switching now as I quit for the day. To show what I mean, in the graphic below if you pulse the solenoid too soon it will be very weak. One must pulse up on the curve. The right hand side of the graphic is with the plunger out, as it is drawn in it peaks on the left.
Thanks, Ron
One way clutches(sprag clutch) and solenoids sounds familiar ;)
Here is a little engine design i came up with some years back that uses these very parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4VJG8-9izQ)
I designed it so as maximum force is always placed on the crank shaft,as the cranks big end journal is always at 90* when the solenoid fired,unlike a normal ICE,where the big end journal would be at(close to) TDC when the gases ignited,and all the force would be on the main bearings of the crank.
Oh,and a short video of it running on free energy lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wITJVy0rPE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wITJVy0rPE)
Brad
Ah, so I don't have to explain that to you, LOL. Nice builds Brad, you do some nice builds.
I am hoping that it will have enough power to run a small generator... low lenz of course :P
Thanks for sharing!
Ron
A vid on YT to show Lenz effect of the toroid coil winding using a pulse motor as the rotor driver.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPz-CLcRUX0&feature=youtu.be
Mags
Hey Mags
While the motor is running,can you move the toroid core away from the rotor,and see what happens,and then bring the core back close to the rotor,and see what happens?.
Cheers
Brad
You people don't get to choose how I respond. Regarding your decision to not read anything I post from now on, I will loose about as much sleep as one who gives two shits,
You seem to fit well in the category of groupie/cheerleader....
Those you speak of would like to think they showed me I was mistaken
They haven't shown anyone shit that you cannot find yourself, and their assessment of the work of the ones they bash....I am glad they do it, they bar themselves from making any real progress, and drag their groupie/cheerleaders right along with them.
it's not like you were paying attention anyway.
Mr. Squires is a man I would love to exchange with. He is the only one other than JLN who has studied the Romag Generator. I am passionate about that particular machine, and owing to this, yes, I am familiar with the name.
Your second question, it's a possibility that we are saying similar, not being in possession of any of his works, other than the info offered by energetics, and the document found on JLN, it's almost impossible to make a comparison between what he knows, and what I have come to understand. I would like to think we are on the same page. There is no clear indication of what's being transformed.
On a side note, I am investigating how energy is transferred between L and C, both are source in turn, both are sink in turn, but at resonance something else takes place. The impedance = 0 condition opens the system up so as to allow energy to move in both directions simultaneously, assuming the means for exciting such is available. The prerequisite, resonance must be maintained over a wide band, I call this condition "Infinite Harmonic Resonant Self Oscillation", I mentioned that already...... The key to accomplishing this is understanding what Lenz really is doing in your system and controlling it (Lenz, not running away from it or cutting it out like cancer) through the manipulation of reactive cross section at key instances....sounds complicated but can be broken down into changing the impedance of the circuit, impedance here being a direct reference to CEMF, how, where and when, and which direction it is induced. Folk don't take me serious, their loss.
More than you asked for, not what you asked for, sorry about that.
Regards
Hey Brad
Will do so when I get back to shop tomorrow.
What do you expect may happen? The core does cog the rotor so it is initially a drag. So if I pull it away without shorting the coil the rotor goes faster without changing the input.
Like in my last post on this, I was kinda expecting no effect on the rotor, as in the orbo effect. Then I did a test on a fully wound core and the gen effect was virtually nil, so it has to be a short end to end winding length of just a portion of the core to get max gen output. Even the winding in the vid, if it were the same number of turns but shorter from end to end of the winding, there would be more output but a shorter length bump on the scope. Did that in the earlier test.
I also put some small mags in a plastic tube and used a drill to spin the tube in the hole of the core, and there is output there also. It was low rpm and smaller mags, but it did induce the coil. So if we wind a bunch of individual windings on the core, we can induce them with a spinning diametric mag in the hole of the core which should have reduced core cogging and leave only Lenz to deal with. If coils on opposite ends of the toroid core are say in series, each producing opposing output due to opposite poles inducing each, there may be some different effects there as the loaded coils fields will oppose in the core. That is the next test setup. The core and mag need to be perfectly center and mounted solid, as in the core held solid and the axle of the diametric mag also, to have a cogless operation with the core.
But I will give it a go tomorrow. ;)
Mags
The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer. Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,
Regards
Erfinder,
I am really surprised at your behavior.
Carroll
Erfinder,
I have always had a minor interest in the work of David Squires. Now I see in the blurb for "Advanced Motor Secrets" he uses the term, "energy transformation"
This leads to a couple of questions, are you familiar with his work and two, is he using the term as you would? Perhaps you could expound a wee bit on this please?
Thanks,
Ron
Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.
The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!
It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer. Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem
Regards
Ron
Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem
Ron
A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.
Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered, a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.
That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.
Regards.
Thanks Chris!!! that is exactly the kind of information I needed, much appreciated.
So you see, I am still looking for that "low lenz" generator, lol
The soap saga starts with Chadwick who runs Bear house, who runs JB, prest wicki, Starling, who self destructed, so the army guy, along with a certain doctor, are just the bottom rungs of the ladder. Eyes open here.
Ron
A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator (http://rexresearch.com/wardforce/wardforce.htm) - Cheap and easy to build, some reuses of materials. I bought the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator (http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR2.TRC1.A0.H0.XMagnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator.TRS0&_nkw=Magnetic+Base+Dial+Indicator&_sacat=0) from EBay, and used some old Coils I had already, Spin up the Magnet with a Motor and whaaa Laaa a very interesting device.
Although my particular version was not OU, it was a very interesting device.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Ron
A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.
Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered, a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.
That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.
Regards.
Hi Ron -
A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator (http://rexresearch.com/wardforce/wardforce.htm) -
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Steve,Thanks for everything you have shared with us so far, but honestly, I have read through everything on your site, watched the videos, and I doubt that I could successfully replicate your device.[/size]If you really want people to replicate you need to give us some specifics. What are the part numbers of the things we should get so that we make an exact replication? I'd be on my way to the store in a heartbeat if I thought I could actually find what I need, but right now I doubt I could.If you have the time, it would help if you put together a step by step video. You have showed us parts, but when you say that this piece of plastic goes here, I need to know the dimensions of that piece of plastic if I am to replicate. Also I don't see any kind of wiring schematic. I hope it is not just me who is having this problem or I am REALLY going to feel like an idiot!UPDATE:I sent Steve an e-mail and he was kind enough to respond by calling me. We spoke for quite some time, and now I understand exactly how to build the switch. Thanks Steve, for all the help!! It may take me a couple days to come up with parts, but then I will be replicating this.
erfinder,I looked at the patent you posted and at Thaine's videos, and I would have to agree that all three of these devices are very similar in concept. All three eliminate the movement of the magnet past the coil, so that Lenz is defeated, yet allow for the change in magnetic field to harvest energy from the coil. This is all very interesting. Don't know where it will lead, but there is enough information from these sources that some of us should be building some things and reporting back. I will do a step by step video of my build of Steve's device and post on YouTube. After that, will try and duplicate what we saw in Thane's video.
David Bowling
There was no questioning me you stupid piece of shit, my attitude was being addressed, and I responded in kind. Learn to read dick.
No you dumb fuck, you didn't show me I was mistaken, what you are doing is dragging someone's name through the mud to make yourself look good, and say that my supporting that that individual is wrong. You see only what you want to see, and like I told you before, you're in a bad position there, as you are blind in one eye and cannot see out the the other. You have no idea what this is about, but really enjoy thinking you do. Keep thinking you do.
You can't read nor write (true color that flaming shit bag), and from that position alone, you aren't qualified to point anyone in any direction (that's the difference between you and I fucker, I am making suggestions, voicing an opinion, you are stating facts, facts as you see them, facts which aren't needed when thinking abstractly. You bitch twins fear thinking without bounds. A good off the wall exchange cannot take place because you idiots rush in with your anal probes, talk of proper scope insertion techniques, and strict adherence to laws that you claim to get but don't. If you got the damn laws, you wouldn't be here in the peanut gallery show boating. Dumb ass. It seems many like your brand of shit, their business, you know the truth though, you are a catastrophic fail. Like I said bitch boy, you have yet to present an anything original, and never will. Your best has been to demonstrate that you know how to amplify the effect that lenz has on your system, and you praise yourself for this, what a dirty douchebag you are!
I care as much about you disagreeing as you care about me calling you names. What you see in Jim's work means shit to me. Let people look for themselves at the work, and not at your piss poor interpretation of the mans work. It's fascinating how you make this all about Jim. You really are a piece of shit abomination fabricator.
Only your illiterate ass could state such and maintain a straight face....
I could but we both know it would be a complete waste of time. Fishing for that challenge...you are a real son of a bitch.
You have no idea what you are looking for nor at. It's not wise to agree with anything that anyone has written, including those whose cocks you suck, but you knew that?
I'm loving this, you really think you know, you really are a dumb shit. The point, my point in not using a measuring technique is simple, read and comprehend dumb ass, what I am after MUST BE self evident, either it does more or it doesnt, period, you don't need a meter to gauge whether it's doing more or not, this isn't about nickeling and diming. There are hundreds of pages wasted in debate on measuring techniques, I want no parts of that, but you assholes do, and force ALL to play that sick fucking game with you, I'm not playing that game.
Yeah yeah yeah.....challenge him. See where that will get you. You haven't built shit worthy of anyone's attention. Like I said, you amplify Lenz and think you're doing something special. You are an idiot.
Folk can voice their opinion of me, I don't mind, if they get stupid, I will give them what I give you. I enjoy our little exchanges.
Hi Ron -snip
The Ward Force Generator is a great learning Tool. All that needs to be done is Spin the Magnet in the middle of the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
yet... good to see the forum functioning again.
Ron
Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.
The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!
It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
I may have missed this experiment, (not just the mag base one) do you know of any good builds on this?
Ron
With all that laminated steel,it would suffer badly from the lenz effect,but hidden within the core it self-the same way the dynaflux generator dose-as we have seen.
Even the copper wire it self will have induced eddy currents-even when the coil is open.
Brad
The answer is to create an equal and opposite MMF-being the result of a self induced counter reaction.
Hey Brad - Yes, as we know, its what one does with Lenz Law Effects... The Motor was supposed to be OU on Torque, thus the Torque Converter, or Dynamic Torque Sensor, on the back end. It wasnt.
While on this, any moving Magnetic Field, everytime we see a Change in the proximity to a Coil, if the Coil has a Load or the likes of, Lenz's Law is invoked. There is no getting around this, its what we do with Lenz's Law is the Key.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
The answer is to create an equal and opposite MMF-being the result of a self induced counter reaction.
When you face two PM like poles together,the resultant field is not twice the field strength of a single magnet alone,but 3x the field strength of 1 of those PMs.
When two coils buck (partnered output coils),the obtained field strength/force equates to 3x the magnetic energy-not just double the field/force from a single coil alone,supplied with the same amount of energy.
Brad
Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.
The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!
It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.
The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!
It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)
Brad
Brad, the center of the device, the Ward Force Generator, is a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.
The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator, has a Core, Magnet and also some extrusions that are important. Let me do some pics and post, give me a few hours.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
P.S: The Red is a non Magnetic, Alloy housing. The Magnetic Base Dial Indicator is made from two parts, it has the Magnet on the inside.
.
Hi Brad, when you cut through the laminates won't that ruin their function? Since they are insulated from each other.
Just asking. artv
Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)
Brad
Yes,yes--i know exactly how they work.
I was thinking more along the lines of a generator.
In this case,we basically have a bucking field toroid generator.
Now,suppose when we draw a load from each coil,we use a switched connection from the coil to the load--like a mosfet switch on each. We then have a circuit that enables us to close each mosfet independent from each other,and at what ever frequency we decide on.
What would we produce if say the switching frequency of one coil was 100Hz,and the other was say 130Hz. What happens when we have two magnetic circuits,in the same toroid core,being loaded at different frequencies,when the inducing field has a fixed frequency ?.
So,we will chop one AC wave produced by one coil at 100Hz,and we will chop the other AC wave produced by the other coil at 130Hz-and we get what?.
Core done.
Brad
Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. The Magnet and Central Stator Area is made from a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator. There is an Air Gap needed shown as the White/Sivler discolouration in the below Images. This is an Alloy Cast, either side of that is solid Magnetic Steel.
Your cuts need to be back some, so as to remove the Round, and just so the ends are just pushed to the ends. See the Red in the Image below. Marked in Red is the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.
My Magnetic Base Dial Indicator teardown:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Much the same thing.
I can cut out the areas within the red boxes,other than that,if we have a diametricall magnetized magnet rotating inside the core,we have our dial gauge magnetic base. If you remove the two coils,the core either side of the coils will act just as the dial gauge magnetic base dose.
There is no need for the alloy cast,as that would only add drag ,due to the production of eddy currents.
Brad
Thanks for the video Brad. I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out. By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. You certainly do quick work.
Thanks for the video Brad. I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out. By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. You certainly do quick work.
Thanks for the very quick response. The results are what I was expecting but we never know until we see it firsthand. Like you said the first results were surprising and not what was expected. Similar to what they think is happening with the Gunderson device. With the neo horizontal it is not helping to saturate the core material. Just some wild off the top of my head ideas.
Thanks again for the quick response and interesting video.
Carroll
Maybe what is happening is the neo is helping to saturate the core just enough to allow it to be saturated more easily by the signal.
Mr. Ward. This is a sick fucking joke. I am told I am talking BS science, and you fucks bring this bullshit, a concept that this guy names after himself? You both are serious, chris, small c, started this shit with "wardforce" so brad gets to sport the I'm with stupid T shirt. Did either of you check Mr. Wards patent before you dropped to your knees and started publicly kissing his ass? Probably not. When he first showed up, I did.
snip
This isn't the way to go, but if this is what folks want....I am wasting my time here.
Regards
Oh look-another winner lol.[/size]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be)
I am not here to teach (as if I could)..snip
Ok,well by doing what i did in the video,i would have thought two things would have happened.
The magnet being used is a N52 3/4 x 1" neo.
Power being supplied to the primary coil is of a very small value.
1st,i would have thought by placing this powerful magnet within the core center,would have saturated the core -or near too,and reduced the output on the secondary.
2nd,i would have expected a large biasing offset on the output wave form.
But as you can see in the video,we had the opposite effect in both cases.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M)
Brad
I believe if that was the case,then we would see a huge offset of the output wave, due to biasing the core.
Remember,the PMs field through the core dose not change,but the field produced by the primary coil is alternating--so why no biased offset on the output?.
With every other coil i have tried this with,i get either a reduction in output,or an offset due to biasing on the output wave form.
Might look into this a bit further.
EMJ-any thoughts?--maybe some relationship to the MEG effect ?.
Brad
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.
Regards, no more.
Brad, is the phase difference caused by the magnet not being vertical?
This is interesting because when it is running, as a generator, there will be a different path length at the start of the induction every time, and with the coils in series??? LOL
Ron
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.
Regards, no more.
Hey Brad - Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing!
I think the video title does give an accurate description, you have shown that the addition of a Permanent Magnet has increased the output: "Magnetic Power Amplification"
If we look at the Scope shots from one to the other, we do see a change in phase angle, only small, but a change in a direction we would not expect, we would expect the Coupling Coefficient (K) has increased between these two coils, from Primary to Secondary, but that something else may be at play also.
Increase: 6.571
VIn: 56.0mv
VOut: 368.0mv
We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.
So, maybe, as you say there is some localised Saturation due to the Permanent Magnet, which in turn is pushing the Change in Flux (B) of the primary, through to the secondary, inducing 6.571 times more Electromagnetic Induction, or Maybe the Permanent Magnet itself is actually the excess Coupling Coefficient (K), that we see. I think the evidence points toward this, the latter; the Permanent Magnet is adding Energy to the System.
This is just my thoughts and I may be totally wrong.
Shaded Pole Motors run their laminations fairly near to saturation, so Carroll's explanation is something to think about.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Wonder what would happen if i tank the primary coil?
I might play around with this solid state version for a while,before we look at the mechanical generator version.
Brad
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.
So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be)
Mags
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.
So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be)
Mags
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be
Mags
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be
Mags
Great video Mags.
Were you just measuring voltage across the coil,or did you have a load across it as well ?.
Well if there was any of the EE guys in this thread,you would get arguments from them i would think,as the magnetic field produced by the coil that is rapped around the toroid,is suppose to be containd within the toroid core--but your timing is saying the opposite is happening.
Brad
Mags
One more thing
Your magnets are cylinder/disc type magnets,so how is the magnetic field orientated with those magnets?
Brad
barbosi - You sound like an Erfinder dressed in drag. Infact you sign off many of your posts in the same way!!!
You could take your Bi-Polar Buddy, and start a B I B S Thread: Believe In Bull S*@%
Please feel free to prove me wrong, I will be more than happy to concede, I am only human.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
P.S: We all know what Bibs do, catch and soak up Dribble!!!
you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.
Humour:
Brad, a wonderfull invention, not just for Camping: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/152200368906
This is what Erfinder, and his Bi-Polar Buddy, Barbosi, uses!!!
Not quite the RT, or Partnered Outout Coils, but just about as good!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.
With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm
Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.
With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)
http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm
Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).
Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.
Where is the forum's police now?
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis:
snip
Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.
Where is the forum's police now?
You wanna get fucked....keep this shit up, and I will have no problem going P-orno on you and invite your family in to participate. I was preparing to get really stupid with you, really get under your skin, really offend you, through your family, but decided against it. Try me chris....go this route again, and you and I will be like pigs in shit in here, and not just here.
Keep it on the level of umpa lumpa and bs science....you'll sleep better.
Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....
"
Now,instead of posting that rubbish you just did,how about you find a demonstration that shows the P/in as well. Once you have done that,then we will see if what you posted has anything to what i am showing.
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Brad
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.
So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:
1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.
My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.
You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.
You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.
You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.
You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.
EMF:
Electromotive force, also called emf (denoted and measured in volts), is the voltage developed by any source of electrical energy such as a battery or dynamo. It is generally defined as the electrical potential for a source in a circuit.
MMF:
Similar to the way that electromotive force (EMF) drives a current of electrical charge in electrical circuits, magnetomotive force (MMF) 'drives' magnetic flux through magnetic circuits. The term 'magnetomotive force', though, is a misnomer since it is not a force nor is anything moving.
Voltage:
Voltage, electric potential difference, electric pressure or electric tension (formally denoted ∆V or ∆U, but more often simply as V or U, for instance in the context of Ohm's or Kirchhoff's laws) is the difference in electric potential energy between two points per unit electric charge.
Current:
An electric current is a flow of electric charge. In electric circuits this charge is often carried by moving electrons in a wire. It can also be carried by ions in an electrolyte, or by both ions and electrons such as in a plasma.
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.
With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm
Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).
Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.
Where is the forum's police now?
Just the chickens coming home to roost. You started it. If you are going to hand it out you have to be able to take it.
Why was it so funny? (it was hilarious!!!) well after page after page of you calling down various members of the group in the foulest manner possible, one of them turns the table and in extreme innuendo calls (implies) you are a Kunt .... beautiful Chris! impeccable humour.
ROTFLMAO
Regards,
Ron
PS: Your rebuttal links, that part of your post, are excellent. If you can understand why then then the list is on it's way to healing.
PPS: hey it self censors that word... I had to misspell it to get it to save
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.
You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.
You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.
You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.
You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.
Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....
Lol
Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D
Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know ;)
Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra :P
Brad
Lol
Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D
Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know ;)
Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra :P
Brad
Allcanadian,
I am a bit surprised by your response but I guess just in a few words my suggestion was too veiled, so I'll try slower.
So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:
1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.
My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.
For the others I'm sorry, I waste enough time to read your posts.
Respectfully
Anyway,looking forward to seeing your build come together.
Brad
Are those round parts in the core opening iron? If they are, then I have to agree with the shunting. So the magnet probably saturates them enough to let the wave pass.
And like you said in the latest post about Teslas phase shift transformer, I wonder if the input were stepped up, would there be more of an equal output voltage? like would there be very little to none if the input was lower? Like the Gabriel device, if I remember correctly, the input did not show on the secondary till the input reached a certain level. I think Teslas pat says similary that.
And about Tesla later not using cores at all, Id have to say that he still used them in motors and generators.
Mags
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor
These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.
At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)
There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…
We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.
The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.
Allcanadian, keep thinking about that answer if you really want a progress.
The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?
Regards (shit, I did it again but I don't care about judgment of shills).
OK, here is a link to the vid
Ron
https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo (https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo)
Oh Yeah, here it is:
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
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Brad, I am not sure why you did the experiment as you did either. It is "Ward's Magnetic Switch" (I know, invented long ago) and it was in this context as a generator that Chris posted it... I thought. Just how efficient it will be is something we need to base the experiment on, because it just might not be that efficient? After all it looked like he was driving it with a one or two horse motor?
Ron
Holy cow Ron,that is one sweet build ;)
Is the next step to drive a generator from the output shaft-such as Teal did ?.
Brad
OK, here is a link to the vid
Ron
https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo (https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo)
Errrr :-[ ,Sorry man--to much woman for me to handle lol.
Brad
We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.
If anyone can suggest a better solution to the phase shift in Brad's experiment, I would be very interested to hear it:
I think we need to get more technical to explain some of the things we are seeing! Anyone disagree? Or have a better solution? Like I said, this is significant, we need to start looking at these things and understand how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage.
Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!! (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg491270/#msg491270)
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
I know why Tesla wanted the phase shift. But does it give us an advantage toward our goals? Not being cocky. I just dont know of the advantages of having it.
Mags
Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!! (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg491270/#msg491270)
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Mags - Excellent! Not Cocky at all!
A Counter Balanced Weight, see image below, or put better, maximum MMF is Reflected on a Primary Coil, by the Secondary, when there is a 180 Degree Phase Shift. To Counter this 180 Degree Phase Shift means our Input is minimised. We need to keep this going and thus a small amount of Input will be needed. We also want to maximise our Output, so a Counter MMF is needed.
For a Small Force at the Pivot Point (Our Input) allows a Large Force on the Load (Our Output) and the Counter Weight (Counter-Reaction) is the self Induced Force, equal and opposite to the Load (Our Output) - I hope this makes sense?
This is Newton's Law's of Motion, with one added: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Ok. With that in mind......
Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?
Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?
Mags
Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.[/size]I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.Back in several hours,Butch[quote/]
edit...up to page 5 and I see you are already there EM, LOL
http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/45/#.V8-AacsrJpQ (http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/45/#.V8-AacsrJpQ)
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OK, getting back to the mag base switcher, ready? it is happening over on another forumQuote
Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.[/size]I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.Back in several hours,Butch[quote/]
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http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/45/#.V8-AacsrJpQ (http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/45/#.V8-AacsrJpQ)
Ok. With that in mind......
Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?
Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?
Mags
To take it a step further...
Let say we have a 1 to 1 ratio transformer. If we apply current to the primary with the secondary open, the inductance will be high, so the input will be low. No Lenz.
If we put a load on the secondary, as it gets induced by the primary, the input to the primary increases. We have Lenz.
So there is a clear reason why the input is lower without the load on the secondary.
Now say we get the transformer to be one that is 180deg out of phase on the secondary.
Why would we think that the sec output could be more than the input, because the input is not being affected by the current of the secondary?
If the primary input is lesser because the sec does not affect it, why would we think that the secondary would have more out than what went in?
In comparison, running the transformer at its normal AC sine ratings, the input while the sec is loaded is more, but so is the sec output, as compared to being 180deg out of phase pri AND sec.
Like the boost converter I described earlier, the input is greater than the output, even if the input is first stored in the transformer, and then dumped to the output.
So why might we expect the sec of a 180deg capable transformer to be anything greater than the input??
Im not seeing it.
Mags
Then what is it in phase shift we are looking for? 90deg? ? And what for?
Like Tesla needed it to operate a motor he designed. I guess so that the motor could run on single phase where available.
Mags
Hi Ron - Videos/Channel removed?
This the same by the looks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0FA6JJ0BQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw0FA6JJ0BQ)
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Sorry, I got the cart before the horse there, I had sarted near the beginning and thought it would lead up to the present.
Surprise for me... the whole thing ended in 2010
Which leaves a mystery... did it work??? why did it end???
http://overunity.com/8852/lafonte-group-can-turn-off-permanent-magnet-without-work/195/#.V9Ap3csrJpQ
But it was the mag base concept for sure
Ron
When I'm using a solid steel rotor for my pm's it changes the effects I get when using separated pieces of steel as the rotor, Not talking about out-put , how the fields mix together.
Electrical flow is nothing , It's how the fields work together, Electricity is just a by-product.
artv
Hi Ron,
Most all people don’t have a lot of time, most don’t have a lot of patience, most are easily worn down by small things...
Everyone has their own path, we see much interest at the beginning of the thread, then it runs down and we see that it appears as if we are wasting our time. Even though a thread may have a lot of reads, we see no real progress as we don’t see what others are doing.
A lot of people keep their work secret.
A lot want to take others work and profit from it. Or take the credit for others work.
This, subjects of interest, come and go like the seasons, Change must come slowly and steadily.
But there must be stamina and patience, for things are easily lost without these quality’s!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
You are describing the real world there... unfortunately, lol
Anyway that picture of the cast iron mag base model threw me ... I assumed this was what they were building and talking about but in reality Butch's device seems to be some some strange double rotor thing with the coils in the middle... yet they talk about no gap needed and cogging in the gap, so I get confused. I will stick with the one you posted, I can visualize that and understand how it might work.
Ron
First, you can take frequency as a energy multiplier if Lenz law is acting not against us.
Second you can use capacitor disruptive discharge.
But in fact if you look closely it all is based on simple laws ...
If you know how to avoid "Lenz problem" then you can use magnetic field many times. The effect is like in Tariel Kapanadze video - device will work (for a while) even when turned off .
Do you have any idea why three coils is significant? Why two will never do?
Regards
My vague questions and or suggestions mean nothing when viewed from the collectively agreed upon perspective.
snip
Think about your own question, what motivated you asking exactly what you asked. I don't build machines with core material, I have read, and have no reason to disagree with it, that Nature doesn't fill its holes.
Regards
ok....now what....
snip...Perhaps the third coil gives a resultant output from
In your motors (which don't exist, soon to become motor-generators when one experiences the device and the forces operating within it as the force operating within it), there are two instances during the cycle which are of key importance to us. The point of maximum induced potential, and the zero crossing. Why are these two important and what relation do they have to the necessity of three coils?
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Do you have any idea why three coils is significant? Why two will never do?
However, these quotes cannot be fully understood without doing correct tests. [/size]And actually you have not shared your setup on this, maybe you never will. The latter case would be most unfortunate.
@tinman
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.
AC
Personally I hope Erfinder doesn't give anything away on a silver platter because that would spoil all the fun.
AC
Is a lack of empathy, bordering on rudeness, just a prerequisite for this forum?
Ron
Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?
First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw :D
Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only ;)
What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI)
Brad
Start building.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuz3Yr6nmA
. I can see many already turning their nose up at the mentioning of hv, as there's no power there....I pity those (no i don't) who lack forsight necessary to see how utterly stupid such an opinion is. Why not post this at the onset of the discussion? It's on topic? The simple answer, build it and learn why! The funniest quote I got from a real guru was this....."you won't power your house with a rollerskate."
Oh, and for the record, you demonstrate once again that you are owned by the, your, adversary, Lenz. Consumption decrease is not a sign that you are winning.
Why is my demo important, well.....it's the most stupid simple hv generator that anyone can build if they were so inclined. When tuned, it exhibits the lowest possible drag of any generator that I have yet to build using off the shelf shit
20 minutes gone....and for what.... wanna show them something, throw together an SG no power supply at all....the circuit should charge its own supply cap, and that cap should then be pulsed across the motor winding.....neons should light up if you got one
Almost forgot....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc
This video came out back in the day when orbo was "the" topic. If I recall the circumstances surrounding the release of this video, JB was saying in so many words, that what they were demonstrating, he could do with his tech. Note the consumption drop when he adjusts the core..... After this video, folk got really excited about consumption decrease, thinking that it was directly related to self running...blah blah blah....sad, folks are duping themselves. JB knows exactly what he was doing when he added that core, and so do I. Tesla has a patent on the concept, you should look into it, or not....
All that to say this, your late...
Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?[/size]First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI)
@tinman
Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.
Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.
In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.
Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.
AC
We aren't even on the same planet. , you haven't demonstrated anything worthy of my time.
I piss on your challenge
Demonstrate something worth a damn, and maybe I'll consider your proposal. You have no idea what JB has, you pride yourself in thinking you do, but you don't. What you think of me and my abilities matters not. Don't take much to run circles around you.
Forgot....you don't have a self runner either, prove that wrong....
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Not here to back up anything for Brad
.not intersted in what you think I should be doing with my time. That shit you are suggesting one learn, been there, what I am after is not found there.
You are the definition of hypocrite, it's ok for you to insult but get all offended when your work is called crap.
You don't know what JB has, you base your opinion on what you have been shown, you don't have what it takes to see beyond the obvious. Those folk don't care what tinman thinks he knows.
http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html) combine with many stages combine with the simplified circuit I posted
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You have nothing to back up.
What you are after ,is fairy dust--which is about as much as you have shown.
You should go back a few pages,and see who started with the insult's.
What you think of my work means nothing to me,as you simply do not know what you are looking at.
It has become obvious in this thread,that the reason you never give anyone a straight answer,is because you have no clue your self. ;)
Brad
How you view things is how you view things. What you can do at the end of the day is what matters to most. There is purpose behind my suggestions and recommendations. I have done the work, I see what I want, and the path which must be taken to get it. This is my motivation for making suggestions. In recognizing that I wasn't seeing what was there, and allowing the situation and circumstance be my guide, I was corrected. Now I am in the position to do something with that which is being transferred and stored while it's being transferred and stored, and recover at the same time. So, the question is, if recovery is 100 percent.....that which was intercepted during the transfer and storage process is surplus. There's no limit to the amount which can be intercepted......comprehend what was just stated, and when it really hits you....shit yourself...I did (figuratively).
I am not looking for a solution, not intersted in what anyone else thinks they have or suggests. I have found what I am looking for and am sharing it to the best of my ability with those who have the capacity to comprehend and speak bullshit.
Regards
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I offer a mosaic, to those who care little for what I suggest, what I offer reads confused, I assure you it is not. You ask how the coils are connected, this is a question you should ask yourself. Were I to tell you how the coils are connected, your next move would be to set something up, for what purpose? When the purpose is known, and tests fail to deliver that which is assumed, as nothing was given, and nothing was intuited, what would be your next move?
Think about your own question, what motivated you asking exactly what you asked. I don't build machines with core material, I have read, and have no reason to disagree with it, that Nature doesn't fill its holes.
Regards
you will be remembered as being the c_unt who did everything she could to keep them from progressing.
Coil shorting.....no dumb ass....that's not what I showed. If I wanted to show you coil shorting, I would have shown you coil shorting. You are screaming coil shorting because you're stupid, blind, and think you got it all figured out, you don't.
Like I said....show something worthy of anyone's time. I am loving how you are getting your ass handed to you by a dead guy....and you think it's a good thing....idiot.
Fuck a more efficient generator. People who want a more efficient generator and think you, a guy who refuses to use the damn free spell checker, has what it takes to give them what they are too lazy or too stupid to get for themselves, are even more stupid than you. You can buy highly efficient generators already, designed and constructed by folk who are light years ahead of your wannabe ass. You don't even ask people what they are looking for. You don't let them think for themselves. You tell them what they should think, and feel justified because your scope shots are clean and your meters true. If they want what you want, by all means give it to them. My thinking is they want what you can't give them. My thinking is they want what they were promised, but haven't necessarily earned.
I offer speculation on a means through which power can be amplified.
(My first real claim....) Will l substantiate it.....nope. Do I care if folk stick around and figure it out.....nope. Will I be happy for those who figure it out, hell yeah. If and when they figure it out,
you, a guy who refuses to use the damn free spell checker
Your foul mouth shows your true caricature--you are a sad individual.
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And yet you have no problem reading what i write ;)
Perhaps you should refrain from such comments,until your own grammar is up to scratch. ;D
And you should get some one to wash out that filthy mouth of yours,or hop on a plane,and come call me that to my face,instead of being a keyboard coward.
Brad
"I'd be tender
I'd be gentle
And awful sentimental... if I only had a heart"
Gee, I am sure looking towards that day, hope it is soon
Ron
You already stated that you think this is coil shorting idiot....I told you, if I wanted to demonstrate coil shorting I would have demonstrated coil shorting.
I dropped a few lame videos, all of which contain gems for those who want them. You grab the stepper motor video and ask folk if they see what "you" see. LOL! Why should they see what you see, why should they even be interested in what you think about my video? You don't know where this is going.....call it a piece of shit, garbage, fairy dust production, and move on. If and when they get it, the name tinman will be synonymous with the dumb ass who didn't get it because he doesn't have a brain.
Your problem is you truly believe that your perspective is the perspective, sorry dick, it's not. I reserve the foul language for your kind, so far, there are only two of you. Your work is garbage, this is what you say of others, they aren't here to speak for themselves, I take it upon myself to shit on your work in their absence.
No one here is qualified, least of all you. You will sit there and take the insults because you don't have a choice, I will sit here and take the insults because I don't have a choice. It's a stalemate. Thing is, I really don't give a shit about your opinion, I respond in kind because I can and not because my feelings are hurt. You can say what you want about what I present, in the end, as I told you before, you will be the one looking like a complete fuckup when the time comes.
Your kind never ask why those you call morons grouped together with a guy you call a rookie...to add insult to your piss poor situation, your plagiarist companion is a cheerleader for one of those "rubbish" disseminators....LOL. What could motivate all those individuals to side with one you hate, one of the reasons for your hate being, because he handed you your ass when you showed your ass when you were a guest in his home. You don't know! You will never know! Someone stick a fork in this asshat, he's done.
In conclusion, the best that you say you have is a machine that you claim you can't produce, LOL.....LOSER.
Anyway.....it's been fun the tinman, but it's time to turn my attention back to that which you are too ignorant to comprehend.
Ron
I'm not sure if lack of Empathy is a prerequisite for membership here [gotta check the "big book"]..
But I thought that was funny [if I only had a heart] ...
your funny quote was from the scarecrow in the wizard of OZ [for the "kids" Under 70 ]
sometimes I think we're fortunate that there are Continents and oceans between us ..
"two men enter one man leaves" may work in areas with overpopulation issues and limited resources.
not so good here with this cause and our needs on this planet.
Just one mans opinion.
Chet K
I am loving how you are getting your ass handed to you by a dead guy....and you think it's a good thing....idiot.
What I find curious is the main person screaming "rubbish" has a device that looks like a cheap copy of Murray tech.....go figure?
Regards
Why do you have to ask? I have made this clear several times. One would think that you would at the very least try and understand what's being suggested. I have considered everything you have ever posted, I don't agree with 99 percent of it, I don't have to, and for the same reasons that you don't agree with anything I say. The thing to recognize is that we don't have to agree on anything while considering suggestions. What you suggest doesn't work for what I want, period. You do good work, I have said this in the past, however, voice the opinion that your direction will not get me where I want to be. Folk don't want what you are offering, but you are really convincing. I suggest that power cannot be amplified, and the your reaction.....you tell me what you can't know, not even considering why or how such a claim can be made. You closed the book, your mind's made up, makes me wonder what you are really doing here, not that that's an issue, you're here, and we are at eachothers throats.
The dead guy is Lenz.....he keeps handing you your ass, and will continue to hand it to you till you check yourself. Your response will be to the effect that I'm stupid, and you are doing the right thing, in accordance with blah blah blah....been there tinman, done that. There's more, way more. Open your mind, and if you cannot, don't stand in the way of those who can.
For the same reasons that current drops Brad, it can RISE! Consider that I know what I am talking about, or continue to assume that I don't, matters little to me. Your perspective generates buttkiss on my bench, my perspective.....just know I am here because my bench indicates that it's time for me to be here.
It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.
Brad
@Ron - Did you finish off the WardForce Generator? Did you get any experiments done on it?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Still a work in progress Chris. Just today I reached the point of a first test. I had built it thinking to try Butch's "no gap" model but found out that the flux never went to the top and bottom bars, it was happy just to circulate in the core. So I have chopped it open as you can see by the couple of band aids holding it together now.
The rotor is 3 inches dia., overall width about 7 inches, The basic rotor is a piece of 1 inch key steel with two stacks of 5, 1/8th by 1 inch neos with cast iron shoes
The left core drops of cleanly when I rotate the rotor. There are two cogging spots each side. So will wind some coils for it next week.
Ron
The few I have allowed a seat at my bench, have seen what's possible. At the top of the list of useless demos is the one thing that you have yet to demonstrate, namely, self assisted oscillation (a name you picked for your lost cause demo, a demo which eats power, your buddy if he were honest with you would call that rig a heater........). The concept in and of itself isn't well thought out, and this is reflected in the piss poor demonstration you made of the same. No oscillations, no wave transformations, nada. My bench on the other hand, I have no problem demonstrating these things. You are the copy paste junky, I feel you are preparing the ground for stealing from me....(not going to happen) if you read back through the posts, you may find one where I say the three coils are one. Your pic reveals your ignorance, stop grabbing at straws and do the damn work.
Thanks copy paste. An attempt at an insult followed by what you consider a serious question, and you expect me to answer....wasting your time dear....
I'm blushing.....
check the record sweety....I only bad mouth two of you. Again you assume to know what I know...you don't....I don't give you enough to go on...LOL....I'm enjoying that you are taking the time to examine statements made by one you have no respect for, it matters not why you do so, fact is, you are doing it, there's hope for you yet....LOL
you say something? I dozed off...your posts have that effect on me....
The sad thing is you actually listen to the resident Lenz Law guru wannabe. Sad, but your choice, and sir, I do not stand in your way. The device you have constructed is one of the nicest out there, and I am referring to your Teal machine, I have no comment on the device depicted above. Copy paste junky is a lost cause, not your problem, had he done his homework on Mr. Ward, he would have suggested a much simpler build, one in which LOW INDUCTANCE LOW RESISTANCE coils were used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4)
I show the exact same effect using low inductance low resistance coils operating at low frequency, using coils which have cores, but no common magnetic circuit between them, and advance from here showing the same effect in an air core system.......continue to listen to chris, he is going to lead you to exactly what you don't want. You demonstrated what you are capable of, I gave you a silent standing applaud when you brought out your Teal replication. You want a real generator, copy paste junky doesn't know how to build one. You will understand what I'm saying when that design you are working on as per his suggestion fails.
Regards
I welcome your opinions, and challenges, I don't have to accept either, and don't, same as you. Strange behaviour you are demonstrating, lying.... Cheap shots, bad humor....that's you and I get it, but lying....damn....I didn't think you had that in you.
If you think for a second that truth is limited to your perspective, or those whom you claim to represent, I am sorry but you are sadly mistaken, and no amount of "information" you copy, paste from the internet and present as support for your case will never make you right.
Here's an untrue statement from me, since we are obviously at this point in our relationship now....your moms a oompa lumpa c_ock sucker. :-* I'm your father...rebel....
The sad thing is you actually listen to the resident Lenz Law guru wannabe. Sad, but your choice, and sir, I do not stand in your way. The device you have constructed is one of the nicest out there, and I am referring to your Teal machine, I have no comment on the device depicted above. Copy paste junky is a lost cause, not your problem, had he done his homework on Mr. Ward, he would have suggested a much simpler build, one in which LOW INDUCTANCE LOW RESISTANCE coils were used.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4)
I show the exact same effect using low inductance low resistance coils operating at low frequency, using coils which have cores, but no common magnetic circuit between them, and advance from here showing the same effect in an air core system.......continue to listen to chris, he is going to lead you to exactly what you don't want. You demonstrated what you are capable of, I gave you a silent standing applaud when you brought out your Teal replication. You want a real generator, copy paste junky doesn't know how to build one. You will understand what I'm saying when that design you are working on as per his suggestion fails.
Regards
Very Nice Ron!!!
Lots of turns on your Coil, like the shaded Pole Motor, and the MMF will be High, this the Magnetic Field. Start with one Coil at a time, then try 2 later on.
I learnt a lot from my build, no where near as good as yours!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.
See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army
The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU)
Brad
Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.
In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build. But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...
Ron
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.
See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army
The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU
Brad
The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.
A real one should look like this...(below)
Ron
the property of an electric conductor or circuit that causes an electromotive force to be generated by a change in the current flowing.
The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.
A real one should look like this...(below)
Ron
This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!
Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)
Where:
R = DC Resistance (R)
J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
X = Reactance (X)
And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).
So, PL’s Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned “Values” will change along with these changes.
For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!
So PL’s Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see: Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see: Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total “Value” measured in Ohms(Ω)
This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.
Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?
Ron you’re right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.
You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.
Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.
These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.
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You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.
Brad
Brad, I think you have miss understood.
This is what regulates the Current Flow through a Coil of Wire, over Time (t).
Of course this is right, as with all "Generators" Faradays Law is solid. After all thats what the Fly Back, or Inductive Kick Back is, the time rate of change of the Magnetic Field.
Yes, agreed, again, Lenz's Law is important! It is Energy in the Coil!!! Its Current with Potential, and yes we need to maximise this to the best of our abiity!!!
We dont want this to reflect directly back on our Input, however!!!
So, Defeating Lenz's Law is perhaps not the best term, thus the reason I bought forward the WardForce Generator. This machine shows how it is possible to redirect the Magnetic Field, so there is no direct reflection back on the Input, this enables the Rotor to Speed Up, and the higher the load, the faster the Rotor will spin. Not new I know, but as I said a good learning tool for those that want to learn. Its cheap and easy to build!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow, this includes the DC Resistance (R) and also the Reactive (X) Components! so we might see 102 Ohms of Impedance (Z) to the Current (I) - Which is 12 (DC Resistance (R)) + 80 (Reactance (X)) = 102 Ohme (Ω).
Mind you there is one experiment I have not tried yet and that is an external magnet, which seems to have a positive effect sometimes.
Ron
Ah yes, but then on each portion of the stroke you have a induced EMF, turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems. A plain steel plunger does not generate/induce on the return stroke. On the "power stroke" with a fixed center pin the plunger and fixed pin wish, very strongly, to unite and become the block wall. This is where the force is in a properly designed solenoid.
turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems
And what happens when there is a change in reactance value ?
the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance.
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.
See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army
The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU
Brad
As regarding Lenz, erfinder made public demonstrations about circumventing his Law.
Science police... selective and it uses rude criticism.
snip...You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow,
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But why? It, Reactance, is the "Resistance" to Change in the Circuit, Reactance, it reacts, in reverse, to the desired Change.
Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands.
Brad
It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.
Brad
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The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.
If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.
What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....
I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference
I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference.
The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.
If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.
What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....
You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
Cheers
double Ohms = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Volts, 2) + Math.Pow(Amps, 2)));
double PhaseAngle = RadianToDegree(Math.Atan2(Volts, Amps));
double Real = (Resistance * Math.Cos(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));
double XL = (Resistance * Math.Sin(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));
double Impedance = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Real, 2) + Math.Pow(XL, 2)));
double Inductance = XL / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency);
double Xc = 2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Inductance;
double Capacitance = 1 / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Xc);
@Emj
On a note of interest, before the term "Reactance" was invented everyone called any resistance to change "Resistance". Which has led to a great deal of confusion when reading old patents because resistance meant ohmic resistance and reactance.
I think the terminology seems skewed, take Inductance for example...
Inductance: is the property of an electrical conductor by which a change in current through it induces an electromotive force in both the conductor itself and in any nearby conductors by mutual inductance.
Is Inductance a property, attribute or component of something which conducts electricity?. I would think it is a property of moving charged particles which produce a changing magnetic field which then produces a force on other charged particles. Yet when we read the definition is gives us literally no insight into what actually happens. For instance by definition we could say charged particles streaming from the Sun have the property of Inductance... what the hell does that mean?. How, why, when and where would seem to be completely missing in action and the term seems meaningless.
Inductance would seem to the property(electrical conduction) of another property (a changing field) of yet another completely different property (an Emf) which then acts on the first supposed property. All lumped into one neat tidy little package which reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail in the dark.
AC
Definitions
noun
1. the act of inducting or state of being inducted
2. the act of inducing
3. (in an internal-combustion engine) the part of the action of a piston by which mixed air and fuel are drawn from the carburettor to the cylinder
4. logic
a. a process of reasoning, used esp in science, by which a general conclusion is drawn from a set of premises, based mainly on experience or experimental evidence. The conclusion goes beyond the information contained in the premises, and does not follow necessarily from them. Thus an inductive argument may be highly probable, yet lead from true premises to a false conclusion
b. a conclusion reached by this process of reasoning. Compare deduction (sense 4)
5. the process by which electrical or magnetic properties are transferred, without physical contact, from one circuit or body to another. See also inductance
6. biology the effect of one tissue, esp an embryonic tissue, on the development of an adjacent tissue
7. biochemistry the process by which synthesis of an enzyme is stimulated by the presence of its substrate
8. mathematics, logic
a. a method of proving a proposition that all integers have a property, by first proving that 1 has the property and then that if the integer n has it so has n + 1
b. the application of recursive rules
9.
a. a formal introduction or entry into an office or position
b. (as modifier) ⇒ induction course, ⇒ induction period
10. US the formal enlistment of a civilian into military service
11. an archaic word for preface
You just dont get it-do you.
Once again for your benefit.
Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.
What happens when we increase this opposition to change in an electric motor?
When is the greatest BackEMF induced?
What is it that reduces current flow in an electric motor?
What i stated is correct--i try to increase the field that opposes the change that produced it.
I try to increase Lenz
The more you try to reduce(circumvent) Lenz,the more inefficient your device becomes.
If there is no opposition to current flow(no Lenz)(no impedance),then current would rise to a maximum value instantly in a motor and inductor.
If there was no Lenz in a generator,there would be no current flow at all.
Is it sinking in now?.
Oh look-i circumvented Lenz ::)
As i said,it can hide where it cant be seen-if your not looking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0
Brad
I guess, the definition of Induction should change to: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow"
The induced voltage is greatest when rotor and stator fields are in quadrature relation.
The induced, specifically the induced voltage and current together "regulate" the applied current.
In my opinion, which doesn't matter, till it does....what you are suggesting is exactly what I identified, and stated, you are amplifying the influence that this concept has on your system. This is purpose defeating, we (speaking for myself and those who know becuase they have seen) don't want to increase its influence, we want to decrease it and allow it to return to the system regulated state, thereby creating an oscillation in what would otherwise steady state (steady state used loosely) condition. Chris asked an important question regarding the inductance of the coil but then takes a step in the wrong direction in saying that increasing it brings one more in line with a parametric oscillator, the opposite is true, it's far easier to drop the inductance than it is to increase it. Try increasing the inductance to the degree that you can decrease it, observe that you cannot! Swings on the order of 100:1 are accomplished with relative ease when you "DECREASE" versus increase. This is how you parametrically excite, and from here ferroresonance can manifest as a side effect, you don't even plan for it, it just happens.....
Seriously, the system is terribly inefficient because 90+ percent of the applied is being annihilated by the induced. Your efficiency increases as you decrease its hold on the system. The thing is, you cannot, the thing to see is we are dealing with a wave, and as such we know how waves behave when they encounter an impedance. Your mission is to establish the proper impedance for the wave, when the wave meets this impedance a second wave manifests which can be used to counteract the negative influence of the wave which induced it. This is how you negate the effect of lenz, my dogma.
The difference between us is I speak from my bench, and you from where you speak from, where you speak from isn't my bench. I use the term opinion even though I am speaking from experience.
That to say this....by all means....disagree.
I just reread your post, and it hit me like a ton of bricks, you aren't familiar with dropping the inductance. I never mentioned the use of magnets, nor implied anything about them, we aren't on the same page period. You are disagreeing with something you have yet to verify yourself on the bench....I don't need magnets to manipulate the inductance of my system, nor do I need a change in current or flux...LOL..... Furthermore, I disagree with you, every transformer, generator, and motor on the planet are parametric oscillators, that which differentiates them from those apparatus which can truly be classified as such is the amplitude of the oscillation.
Great.....a chart. How about a simple demo of you decreasing the inductance of a coil... followed by an equally simple demo of you increasing the inductance of a coil.
That is what you are a master at.....showing other people's work, and standing in the light they shine like the spotlight was turned on for you. Instead of boasting like you've done something, and or are doing something, how about you actually do something. Build something, show it off, something other than that circuit you claim is doing more than we know it's actually doing.
If you say so....
I'll hold my breath while waiting for you to demonstrate something practical with all that "information" (we can get off google ourselves) you shower us with.
Hahaha - How long can someone hold their breath? 6 Minutes before Brain Death occurs?LOL. Sorry, but If you were drinking with me at a pub and I bet you I could hold my breath for 10 minutes, no problem, you'd lose
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LOL. Sorry, but If you were drinking with me at a pub and I bet you I could hold my breath for 10 minutes, no problem, you'd lose
if you took the bet.
You see, I'd just drink what's left in my glass, take a deep breath, hold the glass to my mouth and exhale my
breath into it, then slide my hand over the top of the glass and hold it for the next ten minutes.
I didn't say how I'd hold my breath, only that I'd hold it!
LOL - Cheers
Only the glass is holding your breath,and you are holding the glass :DLOL. Yep. And in my local pub's patron rules that'd be enough reason for another round of drinks. Paid for by the one with least support from everyone else at the bar. LOL
Brad
Like a fat magnetic field collapses, where does it go?
Regards
Yeah google does a poor job for a number of known languages: celtic, kannada, cree, manding, not to mention sanskrit.
What I find fascinating is "if we can decrease (with a magnet as an example) the inductance of a coil, where does that inductance go?" (Google cannot deliver an answer to that either and yet, they boast about driverless cars).
It's like a fat dude does some physical exercises and lose some weight. Where all that weight goes?
Like a fat magnetic field collapses, where does it goes?
The conservation law formulated for a layman says: nothing is lost, nothing is gained, all is transformed.
So if we lose inductance, then the said inductance is transformed in what?
When a current flows into an inductance, it generates magnetic field and the said inductance is immersed in its own magnetic field. Hence, the value of inductance has a lower value.
With this "paradox" in mind, one cannot refrain to ask the question: " A transformer... what it transforms?" It is not just semantics, people of the past used words with great care so the true workings of an idea are not lost.
An example of lost meaning we have today in the word "capacitor" as opposed to "condenser" as it was used in the past. As one can understand that a pulley is something used to pull, it will be confused when it uses capacitor. It capacitates what? While a condenser... We all know what a condenser does in the workings of a fridge. Can be same principle valid in electric circuits?
Tesla showed in his pancake coil that a regular coil posses a "capacitance" which is greatly revealed in the coil that makes the subject of his invention. Nowadays we all know that wire, a pair of wires, even a metal sphere have a capacitance, they teach us formulas for those too.
Back to the transformer, is it possible that the changing magnetic field is transformed into something else using a "condensation" method?
If that is true, the so called mutual induction mentioned earlier by AC can be "confused" as a capacitive transfer of energy. Can anyone truly say the difference?
Regards
Ampere Turns (AT) = Turns (N) x Current (I) and Magnetomotive Force (MMF) = Turns (N) x Current (I) - As you can see the formula is the same. Ampere Turns is in Units of MMF.
In a Coil of Wire, with Turns (N) carrying Current (I) where the Current is Uniform and all moving in the same direction, what do you think the result would be? What would the effects of this Force be?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
where magnetic field goes when it collapses,
Rocket science :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3gjlskQOJ4
Brad
Funny, but no!
It's in the damn elementary books on electricity, you gonna feel silly when you'll see it, all have seen the picture.
It's about 2 fields in quadrature relationship...
Nothing yet? the junkie guy is not so junky if his ignores it...
No, nothing? What a hell, here is a picture:
http://helios.augustana.edu/~dr/102/img/17_07.jpg
And this is a third time I am helping you and so far I didn't get any thank you, but rather insults.
Regards.
BarBozo - You are completely wrong!!!
Technically the image you show is wrong also.
Why?
Static Charges have no Net Magnetic Field associated with them!!! Static Dipole is also subject to the same criteria! This is why you’re wrong and don’t know the difference between the two!!!
You move the Charge, and now it is no longer static, then a Magnetic Field is associated with the Moving Charge!!!
Your Image should include a relative Velocity associated with the Charges and then it is Valid to have an associated Magnetic Field. So, Basic Text Book Concepts have fooled you into a situation where the hole you now sit in has no ladder out!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
So many guru's
So few working devices
Brad
Hi Chris, I'm assuming that field pattern is when the coil is being pulsed with a power supply.
What will the pattern look like when being induced by a single magnetic rotor of all the same field,
the magnets being spaced so one is reaching the coil as the other is leaving the coil?
artv
Funny, but no!
It's in the damn elementary books on electricity, you gonna feel silly when you'll see it, all have seen the picture.
It's about 2 fields in quadrature relationship...
Nothing yet? the junkie guy is not so junky if his ignores it...
No, nothing? What a hell, here is a picture:
http://helios.augustana.edu/~dr/102/img/17_07.jpg
And this is a third time I am helping you and so far I didn't get any thank you, but rather insults.
Regards.
You were not addressing me, however, your post was the perfect opprotunity for me to share something which will only resonate with a select few. It has taken what feels like a lifetime to feel what they left for us to find and make our own. I continue to make that which is/was theirs mine. The following was distilled from a decade of tireless contemplation, it is theirs made mine. Exchange the right word, with the right word, and one can begin to engineer the philosophical.
The tank informs one where magnetism goes. The tank informs one that magnetism has no existence, no purpose, no function outside of that of Fulcrum for that which extends from-toward, toward-from Fulcrum. That which extends from Fulcrum is not the facilitator of the simultaneous-sequential action-reaction, it is the simultaneous-sequential action reaction, Fulcrum is cause. That which is projected from Fulcrum is that which we must seek to comprehend and understand, and through this effort, through our gained understanding, reunite that which emerges from Fulcrum as a duality into a unity, and simulate Source, simulate Fulcrum.
Regards
No.
One last chance to prove your worth as wannabe-guru.
I'll rephrase: Please name the fields around a conductor when is connected to a power source (battery).
Hint: There are 2 fields, you should know them from school books.
No.
One last chance to prove your worth as wannabe-guru.
I'll rephrase: Please name the fields around a conductor when is connected to a power source (battery).
Hint: There are 2 fields, you should know them from school books.
That's your skewed view on electricity. You learned electrostatics has nothing to do with electrodynamics and you swallowed that shit till the brains were squeezed out through the scalp pores. Then you combed. Damn!
But if you can make an intellectual exercise, replace those "charges" with wires? Can you feel the familiar domain of electrodynamics, or really you want a picture from the beginning of the 20-th century? Do you recognize the fields now?
Now a quiz for you, science parrot: please identify by the color the fields and name them! I don't mean to be disrespectful about eventual physical abilities, but if you are color blind, let me know and I'll look for other picture in different shades. Internet is full of them I don't know how you could miss them. with wires too, not only electric charges.
As per the electrostatics, I prefer the works of the Master, and I attach a picture he used in his electrostatic experiments. Please enjoy the full description directly from the reading material, as you will find him completely describing his transformer. Please don't tell me that it has nothing to do with your prostitution you call partnered coils. I do this here because I don't feel spreading my but chicks over that topic too.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Tesla-DisruptiveDischargeBox.png (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9b/Tesla-DisruptiveDischargeBox.png)
Don't forget the quiz, truly yours,
barbosi
PS: about electrostatics the way you still need to learn, here is a link, scroll down to "Electric Force Example".
What is the force that can be obtained with 120W? 1.01 Million Tons!!!
In your face. And don't tell anything about not being electrostatics, go in top of the page again and read "Coulomb's Law". Made by some scientists from... read the web address.
And Tesla did not lie. It's only our sorry a$$es incapable to put together the concepts he left us.
Now slap yourself and quit drinking! You are not helping, your are confusing people!
Next !!!!!
I have an idea which should put us all back on the path of finding that which brings us here. Inspired by the pulse motor build off intro videos, we could present our best working idea on the topic of motor-generators. No schematics, no measurement data, no measurement instruments, just a brief description of your concept, followed by a brief demonstration of the same.
Okay, Concept:
Using a simple non-switched DC current source passed through a conductive wire or other material of the size and shape necessary, convert the rotational field that emanates from this conductor into a rotational mechanical force upon a shaft.
Implementation:
The hard part yes. Myself, I cannot see the mechanism needed to mesh with and gear down this rotational field without extreme friction (resistance) as the velocity of this field is unknown but likely extremely fast. The concept of gearing, a.k.a. impedance matching must be effectively mastered, knowing that impedance to be the ratio of voltage to current. This transformation then becomes a relative abstraction from the micro (beyond atomic in scale) to normal human size physical objects. The device responsible for this transformation will effectively integrate electrical and mechanical constructs into a complete demonstration prototype unifying natural phenomena with physical reality.
All I can say is this makes my head hurt to even think about it, but if there is a player out there that wants to bring their A-game to the table and build such a device, you have my full support. A ball bearing motor (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgfwPaZFR-c) may be a minimalistic starting point.
For the tinman,one of my builds exported to Germany.
Bickers Court Oscar.
Hello barbosi,
could you give me/us the link to this surprising numbers
"120 W (giving) 1,01 Mio. Tons (compression/expansion force/pressure)"
New window motor up and running.
Check out the H wave.
What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?
Brad
That it gives you a scope shot without being connected?
Is the motor running?
and why is there that non used piece between the battery and motor bearing stand?
I also assume that you are running with a center tapped drive coil with the center tap connected to the center connection of the series batteries,, and maybe your magnet pole orientation is rotated 90 degrees.
And while I'm at it,, maybe your truck needs an oil change? Tires rotated,, man that would be a lot of wheel nuts if ALL of them heeded it.
I like the way it looks like a house with a chimney :)
I'll throw my guesses in here also. I believe you are running your motor in attraction mode.
You are firing the coil as the magnet approaches for a pretty short pulse. That is the narrow pulse.
I also think you have the magnet set on edge so that as one pole approaches the coil when the magnet passes the middle of the coil the other pole will be leaving the coil.
Very nice build!
One for Chris...
https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM
Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run
Ron
Beautiful build Brad. I would say coil placement to answer your question
Ron
One for Chris...
https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM (https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM)
Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run
Ron
One for Chris...
https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM
Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run
Ron
[/size]o,some quick power calculations show that i am sending 81% of the P/in to the charge battery.[/font]This means that i only have to be able to generate 19% of the input power,and send it back to the run battery,with my (to come) cap dump system.[/size]Once we do that,we have a self runner-right . Well as small as that 19% sounds,having tried this before,i know it is a very big ask. There is also the fact that lead acid and AGM batteries,only have about an 80% charge efficiency,where you would need to send 100 amp hours to the battery,to get only 80 amp hours out of it,as there is about a 20% loss in charging these batteries. So we are actually looking for around another 39% of the input power-just to gain unity -but who knows how that will change,having the small inductive spike in there as well.
Hi Ron
Seems to run quite smooth--nice build.
What are the two meters showing?
Brad
Hi Ron - Beautiful!!!
I know you are well versed in these areas, but if I may say, look at the magnetic Fields, see whats happening to them. If you have a Magnetic Probe, check the Field in the Gap while placing different load resistances on the device.
You can see in your video, there is a very slight slow down with load, then speed picks back up again.
The Gap you have, between the poles, if it can be adjusted, then this can change the observable behaviours of the running of the machine.
I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.
Very nice Ron!!! Thumbs up as always from me!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
New window motor up and running.
What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?
Brad
I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Excuse me,i_ron,but how you like to describe your progress this let me remembering about the kind of description from Carlos Subieta Garron in his paper 1969 !
I will offer his paper for comparing
https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442 (https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442)
I saw that his nephew did a progress : http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html (http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html)
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text=)
I do not offend you,I am also interested in progress !
Here the nephew patent publication,for me also new,so I will not comment it !
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092 (http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092)
If you see who did refered/cited the other work from this bolivian inventor you will not become angry or underestimated:
https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141 (https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141)
http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers (http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers)
Is this your best motor-generator concept?
Is this the best you have to offer on how one "can" deal with Lenz
I see this wave you are demonstrating and I see what I have always seen, I see what we are always shown, and I say to myself, this can't be all he has to offer. I say that because I am no one in the eyes of those who speak with authority. I have nothing they say....I beg the differ....I too have a wave, a wave that looks like a house, an H wave....My position here is the same as it was when I was talking about this with those who cheerlead the "window motor" as its inventor presents it. I told them as I am telling you, you people don't see what he sees. The message is wasted on you. Your wave.....is not what we are after, and as cruel as this may sound, I am not trying to offend you, nor downplay your effort. I am simply telling it like no one else will.
You like my cheesy videos, you are going to love this cheesy photo....A video will follow. Keep in mind, this is not my best.....this is me smelling the roses as I was strolling through the park one day. I know..big talk for a fuzzy photo with no data....I do this on purpose. Keep an eye out for the video, I will show you what a BS science understanding allows an umpa loompa to do with a properly engineered apparatus..
As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.
I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'
For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)
In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)
And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!
Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.
Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)
Ron
Im just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.
Hey Brad
Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.
My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.
You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.
AC
Hi Ron - Awesome!
If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!
The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.
Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you’re explaining!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Well,must have been the day to put down our beloved pet's,as we had to put one of our dogs down today--such is life :(
But i must say,i am confused about the rest of your post,as this was your idea of a friendly little comp.
To quote post 264
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.
And post 493
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.
One minute you are going to show us how it's all done,and the next,your not interested in the very competition you set the rules for--you no longer wish to show us how it's done ???
Oh well-what ever.
Brad
Thanks Chris, even at 81 I still occasionally run on ego... and that was a big boost, LOL
Love those old pics! them old boys knew their stuff.
A couple of clarifications for those following this. I mentioned rotor cogging at the gap... well that was without the end bars and the cogging "nearly" went away with end bars in place, duh. Next, I an only using one end bar (core) as with two, the flux strength is neatly divided in half so it is my suspicion that I can get max output from one coil as with two coils in parallel??? any ideas?
Will dig out the Gauss meter today...
Ron
Thank you for your interest and the links. Very interesting. Kind of takes this to a new level. It reminds me of another magnet assisted by an electromagnet motor ... I can't remember the name?
Ron
Was that the one called-gap power?--or something like that.
Brad
I believe this is well documented.
0.5CV^2 sets up a curve both for charging and discharging,, so when you take the energy from a cap at a higher Voltage and discharge 1 Coulomb of charge carriers,, that will drop that cap 1V and raise a discharged cap up 1V,, those 2 energy values are not the same.
The cap charges up in Voltage by charge carriers displaced,, 1F= 1C per 1V,, so there is a volt to charge carrier relationship and that is what the capacitance value is.
Hello i_ron,
how much flexibility are you giving to this machine ?
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Sincerely
OCWL
Hi Ron - Thanks for sharing your results. Again your build is excellent!
Do you know if your Cores are saturating at any point?
As you say, your Input is: 134.75Total
However the Shaft Torque Efficency is very much different under different load conditions:
2243 RPM: 9Watts / 9.8Watts = 0.918Times
3143 RPM: 14.28Watts / 8.6Watts = 1.660Times
4837 RPM: 25.7Watts / 23.3Watts = 1.103Times
So, we see that the Time Rate of Change does matter, but we see that there is an optimium freguency or operation: n = f (2 / p) 60
where
n = shaft rotation speed (rev/min, rpm)
f = frequency (Hz, cycles/sec, 1/s)
p = number of poles
Rearranging, we get: f = n / (2 / p) / 60 = Optimium Frequency of operation = 52.3833333333333 Hertz
Which is interesting! Maybe beyond this point the Core is being saturated? Or is getting close?
Ron, your work is excellent!!! Thanks!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Thanks Chris! interesting numbers for sure. Math is not one of my strong points so I am amazed at how you do this!!
Now to post mortem this, I was wondering if the flux path length through the laminates was the critical factor? Is this the reason Watson used such long cores in that famous machine???
Anyway, searching for what we learned here and you seem to be able to present this in a very understandable manner... so over to you.
Ron
Hi Ron - I am blushing... I fumble my way through what I can, using the "try and try again" technique... Math is not my strong point, but I try, I find it does help sometimes.
Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?
I felt that the Rotor was Riding the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field from Lenz's Law, the Output Magnetic field from the draw of Current on the Output.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Hi Ron - I am blushing... I fumble my way through what I can, using the "try and try again" technique... Math is not my strong point, but I try, I find it does help sometimes.
Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?
I felt that the Rotor was Riding the Magnetic Field, the Magnetic Field from Lenz's Law, the Output Magnetic field from the draw of Current on the Output.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Hi Ron -
Ron, how would you describe what is going on here? How is it that the Rotor is able to see less drag at higher speeds? Output efficiency increase as the Rotor Speed increases?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.
Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.
You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.
Well,that is what i have found anyway.
Brad
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.
Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.
You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.
Well,that is what i have found anyway.
Brad
Chris,you were concerned that I was running into saturation so I have taken 4 of the 10 magnets out.
While it was on the RV I did a reading, ready? the draw went up! Up to 67 watts (3000 RPM)
I put it back (with the reduced magnet count) on the original prime mover...
and the "action" (at 3000 RPM) has gone away, Now at the slow speed the numbers are close, 9.8 watts in, for 9 watts out, the "special" has gone to 13.5 watts in for 12.98 watts out. The high speed got a little worse with 28 watts in for 22 watts out. So removing 4 of the 10 magnets is not an improvement.
You may be correct with "riding the magnetic field" because as we see here the flux field has to met a certain strength criteria to work in our favour...However, that being said the increase draw to 67 watts (on the RV) is, in both cases, with no load on the generator... thoughts?
Ron
Chris, to be more specific, the drag increases up to a certain point, then there is a dip, followed by a resumption of the increase.
This is with no electrical load being drawn, so it is not Lenz related. It must then be strictly a magnetic phenomenon.
Ron
The answer to that is simple.
The already existing eddy currents are being converted to electrical power.
If Ron places a temp probe on the core of the generator,he will find that the temperature of the core will decrease when he draws a load from the generator.
Way to test for this.
1-place a temp probe on the core-or embed the probe into the core if he can.
2-let the DUT run at the best found RPM for 10-15 minutes-or until it reaches peak temperature.
3-once max core temperature is reached,place a load across the generator,and watch the core temperature.
You would think the temperature of the core/generator would go up,but it will go down,as the generator was already under load,and that load was the production of eddy current heating-waste heat.
Well,that is what i have found anyway.
Brad
Embarrassment time, dyslexia strikes again. The impressive second reading is an error on my part.
Correction for post #678
The millivolt numbers are correct in my notes, 11.6 mV under load and 10.3 mV no load. I was just dividing by two to get the amps and a very simple mistake occurred on the 11.6... I had written down 5.5 instead of 5.8 and subtracted 5.15 from it. What a difference that makes... from 8.575 watts to 16.25 watts! Sorry about that.
So corrected, the number two reading is 14.28 Watts out for a cost of 16,25 watts in
The best reading today is at 2800 RPM, 12.03 watts out for a cost of 12.5 watts in
The RV draw numbers are correct
Ron
Too much Coffee maybe?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Chris, to be more specific, the drag increases up to a certain point, then there is a dip, followed by a resumption of the increase.
This is with no electrical load being drawn, so it is not Lenz related. It must then be strictly a magnetic phenomenon.
Ron
@ Ron
So i have just been watching some of the video's on your channel,during my morning coffee--and wow.
You have some excellent builds on there Ron,and craftsmanship i have only seen once before by another.
A video from a channel you might enjoy,by a man that shares your skills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVe3zgmxoA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgVe3zgmxoA)
Brad
Ron
Here is something you might like to try to see if the drag without load is lenz related.
Is it possible to replace the magnets with small steel pieces/or one steel rod,that are the same shape and size as the magnet's,and then run the DUT,and see if the same amount of load/drag is placed on the prime mover as if there were magnets in the rotor?.
I see you mentioned that you did the temperature test,and the results were opposite to what i thought they would be--and this is interesting ???
Perhaps i should put aside my solenoid engine build for a while,and finish my setup like yours,and join in on the search for the !hidden! drag ,when no load is being drawn from the generator.
Brad
I think we should have been warned when Ward was shown diving his models with one and two horse motors. That and we ignored the fading of the Butch team. Still. as Chris says, it is a good learning tool.
And holy moly --- it actually got the group focused on a, "lenz free generator", for several pages!
And some good laughs... such as the one posted by ramset ;D
What one shall we do next?
Ron
Seriously, is this the best you have to offer, a copy paste of Brad's work? Why in the hell is this a "Brad Challenge"? "The challenge" was between Brad and AC. You have extended the challenge to everyone.....not wise. It's clear you ignored my suggestion, namely to present one's best (ignored by Brad...) motor generator concept. This is non threatening, and has nothing to do with a competition, this is us placing our cards face up on the table, this is us seeing one another, revealing where we are, why we are there, and where we are headed. I find it fascinating that you speak with such authority, and all of a sudden you are a "noob"......typical....... Present your own idea about your own approach to a motor-generator. Demonstrate that you are not only well versed in the laws, but you also know how to apply them practically.
It's good of you to admit that you are a noob....says a lot about you, and I respect this. I am not a noob in the area of motor-generators. This discussion belongs here on this forum, I recommend you start a new thread, you could call it, "Your BEST motor-generator concept". It should be modeled after the opening video of the pulse motor build off. Participants submit a 5 minute video, posting the link to the video in the thread, that's it. What you do with your 5 minutes is on you, at the end of the time period, it is my hope that all understand why this is your best. The submission thread is for entry videos only, no discussions should take place there ever!
If a discussion is desired about a particular idea, the individual responsible for presenting said idea should start a thread, and be given total moderator control, modeled after the bench concept on the OUR forum. No one has the right to start a discussion about someone else's idea. There should be no time limit on submissions, this is not a competition. Only one submission per user, remember this is about you presenting your best.
Hi Ron , I didn't pay much attention to your ward generator, I 'm on limited data.
What one shall we do next?
Ron
The reason is, I don't like cores in my coils.
It's fine to use steel to concentrate the magnetic field of a PM rotor but, using it to intensify the field in a coil is a waste IMHO.
The reason I say this is ,from what I've seen is that increase in output is offset by the required increase in input or the increase in motoring ability is offset by the drag .
Something along the lines of core-less coils for motoring and generating at the same time,would be interesting.
Thanks artv
Hi lanca, I only motor the coils once per revolution, mimicking Mr hand.
artv
That is exactly what one should have!
Regards
What I am saying is the motor coil is at the same time a generator coil. There is only one shaft, and this case only one coil which is simultaneously motoring and generating an electrical output.
Regards
What I am saying is the motor coil is at the same time a generator coil. There is only one shaft, and this case only one coil which is simultaneously motoring and generating an electrical output. Assuming one wants to do things the right way, a coil which simultaneously motors and generates is the only way forward.
Regards
No.
I could demonstrate the exact same thing in a machine designed to be driven at TDC, and with that being said, I regret to say again...no.
Do you see where your thinking is? It is totally entangled in the maze of the inductive reactive. Consider what it would take to transition a predominantly inductive reactive system, into a predominantly capacitive reactive system. The character of your apparatus must change from dominant XL or opposition to change in flux or current to dominant XC or opposition to change in voltage.
Regards
You think a conversation with one with knowledge on the subject will give the necessary insight for engineering that which is said to be impossible? Especially when said individual has no interest in the direction of research that occupies the minds of all who would shower him with senseless questions if they were given the opportunity.
Run - Combine XL and XC dominant circuits.
Regards
What I have found is one must build with the understanding that we want the exact opposite of what we consider as a resonant condition. What I mean here is simple to understand. Resonance as we presently view it is restricted to one specific frequency. That which is desired is a condition where resonance becomes a broad band phenomena. All frequencies are the resonant frequency in sequence. So, no my system is not finicky. I just need to establish the conditions which facilitate and support the broad band phenomena.
Regards
erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see????
Ron
erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see? ???
Ron
erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see? ???
Ron
erfinder, In all your dozens of posts, helpful hints, subject out lines, ego polishing, character assassinations... I am still completely in the dark, not even a starting point?? Can you do better??? What is it you want us to see????
Ron
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyLz2cXn49s
Brad
The sane thing to do is just ignore me... You were informed by those who "know", that I don't know what I am talking about.
I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off. But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see. If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted. When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding. The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12. The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts. There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap. But pulses do strange things with transformers. And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.
Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary. See what you get. You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.
What aspect(s) of this do you consider to be part of what I am trying to get you (all) to see? Can you elaborate?
Regards
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Feels good seeing some trying to see what I see.
Regards
Well finally some information! Now I now what you are talking about.
Thanks erfinder ... thanks Carroll
Ron
(Incidentally the two links were the same, JB's never came through)
Haha , Mandelstam/Papalexi ?
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=bifurkation+mandelstam+papalexi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
some food for intensive re-/search
for whom https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=5&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19790215&CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1) is not of interest
going to citing documents
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=DE&NR=2733719A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=19790215&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
and from this 1. -idem-
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5350991A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=4&date=19940927&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)
who has time and patience : cited documents also listened
Hahahaha I wonder why...
Mr Agnostic, Un-Informative, through the imaginary eyes of his Own God, JB!!!
Oh it is sickening, and again, nothing new. People have been doing this for decades! We just discussed the Parametric Oscillator, 1934, image below:
But as long as we can see what he can see... then we will all be saved, because JB will be our God too!!!
Erfinder, You love yourself! As much as you love your own God, JB, and your saviour JM. Keep talking it up, sooner or later youll trip on those Big O'l Lipps...
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
26/09/2016
+/- 1996
What did you -more or less- twenty years before ,C.S. ?
(Prof.) Dr. Florian Popescu
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=florian+popescu&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
I am not in hurry !
Please stop adding this crap to the thread. If you have technical contributions, cool, but please stop this shit. Reading countless pages of you all arguing over nothing really is obnoxious. It doesn't matter who did it first. We all need to be doing it NOW.
Dave
The battery-operated electric drive system for a vehicle uses a resonance pulsation motor supplied with current from the battery via a parametric generator. The braking energy is used for battery recharging and a flywheel is used for intermediate energy storage and to store kinetic energy e.g. so that in the case of a heavy vehicle it can be used to supplement the battery voltage when travelling up on incline. Pref. the generator controlled parametric resonance is obtained by semiconductor control. The system is designed to give reduced running costs since the thermodynamic losses are less, while the delivered mechanical output remains the same.
Yes, this is part of the message. We can manipulate inductive reactive cross section of the circuit, and do so in a manner which does not necessitate the inserting and removing of a core material.The fog is lifting, the toad sees where he's once been, knows now where he is, and looks to the future.
snip....
Feels good seeing some trying to see what I see.
Regards
Hello Chris Sykes,
when you work and listen -with concentration- you would have seen and corrected me for the fault/faught/Fehler/error whose I did :
Mandelstam-Papalexi has been on a very low power level, (Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! Step-by-step-Evolution
Professor Mandelstam and Professor Papalexi have been two different humans and persons with whom of each different personalities and characteres and profiles,so I have to correct my mission:
"Mandelstam and Papalexi have been on a very low power level,(Prof.) Dr.Florian Popescu wrote about higher power levels ! "
Trial and Error for Success: to give by translation "1:1=1" PERFECT SYNTAX by Symmetry
You/we are working on a/the "Dreammachine" ,without concentration it becomes an "Alptraum" Apocalypse "Apos-call-ypse"
GOoD and BAD
Believing: in the same ?
Who/What consults you and who/what consults me ?
Same level and viewpoint and Realtime ?
Believing: in the same ?
Who/What consults you and who/what consults me ?
Same level and viewpoint and Realtime ?
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:
Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2
With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I) be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).
Thanks
Useless in my opinion, at least until one is in the position to generate power in unlimited quantity, whenever, and wherever it is required.
Regards
Not sure why you think you know what I am talking about.....You might know what Carroll is talking about. This is much bigger than what you think I am talking about.
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Regards
Assuming one is in the position to circumvent the negative effects associated with the "elevated" self inductance of the higher value coil, no, current during discharge will not be less. The question is can you establish the conditions necessary to circumvent the negative effects associated with the elevated self inductance of the higher value coil during discharge?
Some minds are already made up on this subject.
Regards
whatever....
I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off. But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see. If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted. When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding. The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12. The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts. There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap. But pulses do strange things with transformers. And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.
Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary. See what you get. You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.
Carroll,
It has come to my attention that the 680 ohm resistor for Q1 going to the bottom of the coil could lead to problematic operation of Q1.
Would it not be better to go to the top of the coil? (battery Plus)
Thanks,
Ron
Ron,
I see what you mean but I built it like the schematic and it seemed to work OK that way. I have used that same idea of the resistor from collector to base with an opto-coupler for controlling relays with no problem also. But a high resistance load or straight resistance could cause a voltage drop at the collector to be large enough to cause problems with the resistor connected there. If I was going to go to the top of the coil I would probably increase the resistance value according to what transistor I was using. By the way I didn't show on the schematic but the transistors are 2n3055s.
Carroll
"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of a given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction."
Nikola Tesla
OMG - You have NO IDEA what this means!!! Oompa Loompa Magic!!!
The great Nicola Tesla, who's name, and works, are completely misconstrued by people like yourself, worked with Resonance, this is a Resonance condition that Nikola Tesla was talking about! Nothing more, nothing less!!!
When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.
You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Would this circumvention have anything to do with charging then discharging while the inductance is rising (dL/dt giving rise to negative resistance) VS charging in low inductive state, pausing to let the inductance rise, then discharging?
Thanks
Dave
Team Bedini have there own science--this is why they have so many !self runners! :D
An inductor with no self inductance ,is just a length of wire--a bathroom heater ;)
Brad
Dave, the inductance of a Coil changes in time with the Magnetic Field (B) change in time. So every time the Magnetic Field changes in value, so does the Inductance.
If the Magnetic Field were stationary, and the Coil Stationary, but a means were implemented to vary the Inductance in Time, then an EMF would also be generated - This is another way to view the Parametric Oscillator.
Reactance:
Inductive Reactance (XL)
Capacitive Reactance (XC)
Each one of these values in a Coil are a Measure of the Coils performance vs Frequency, never will these values be Zero unless no Frequency is applied.
These values present a Resistance to the Change, known as Impedance (Z) which also is inclusive of the "Omic Resistance" that was mentioned.
So don’t be fooled by the King of BS!!!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.
Yes, I am aware of these traditionally defined things that go on within a ferrous core inductor. I've even put in a number of hours in working with parametric oscillation. There was no free lunch in my configurations despite my best efforts to produce. I have seen a number of citations suggesting variations of L and C in circuits creates novel energy conditions. I still believe the answer to be hidden within this concept. I just do not know yet how to tune a circuit to create the conditions of which I am trying to produce. I do believe Jim Murray speaks the truth as I have met him and heard encouraging stories about him from Dollard. I am more inclined to listen to the 'King of BS' because some of his words resonate with me and inspire me to try things I have not yet tried with my SERPS replication as well as other devices I've pieced together for testing purposes. Please, if you have 'the' answer and can produce a novel device, do so and I will give you my full attention. But please stop discouraging an otherwise inspiring exchange.
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Is this a test? Are you here to check me or put me in check, or is your question genuine? Please be honest....
Regards
Web000x - I will not sit back and watch as one deliberately miss-leads the masses. Sorry it’s just not the right thing to do!
If I had something incorrect, I would expect nothing less, I expect the same from all. We will never get anywhere BS'íng each other!
You come searching, because you have not found what you’re looking for elsewhere, namely the Murrakami Army.
We have had several devices shown in the last 18 Months that are very well documented and also very hard to dispute, so why not concentrate on Hard Facts rather than Miss-Guided BS!!!
You were very polite and asked nicely, some may have stepped down, but that is destructive, and not constructive as you may see it.
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
P.S: I have thought long and hard about this, since your last request. There is a big difference between Paying Someone Out and Correcting the Train of Thought! My Intentions are good, we need to think logically, we need to focus, we need to be as accurate as possible, and most important need to be honest!
Hey Carroll, can you tell me some things about your circuit?
With the circuit as is and the capacitor discharged to 0v, how much potential available in the cap is harvested from the collapsing magnetic field after one pulse?
Now take the same circuit (starting at zero volts) and remove the shorting transistor so that the coil does not short, how much potential is gathered in the cap after one pulse?
And one last one... Can you take the above two situations and repeat them, but this time adding a FWBR to the primary and funnel that into your output cap in addition to the secondary? By putting this across the primary, it is going to fill the cap to a starting point of Vbat - 2 diode drops of voltage. From here we can calculate energy by taking the difference in energy of the two potentials.
I would do this but am working on rewinding a motor core and don't have a lot of time...
Thanks
Dave
Quick question.
What would happen if a conductor was *instantly* exposed to a change in flux?
Second quick question,
What is the prorogation rate of a change in flux within an existing field?
I thought it was C.
You do not know me so please don't make assumptions about me. It is fine that you already have your mind made up about all electrical phenomena but don't tell me to whom I should listen.
Homework is important.
So an instantaneous change would have a very large inductive hit on the exposed inductor.
I should of rephrased the second question,, I meant what if the existing field made a change in flux density. From what I did look at that propagation would be at C, well Einstein would say that that information could be communicated instantly over any preexisting distance but other than that it seems to be about C.
What I am getting at is the time rate of change,, instantaneous is a pretty large rate of change. Then to consider the propagation of that change from source to whatever, would be at C,, I think,, providing it is within an existing covered distance.
Homework is important.
So an instantaneous change would have a very large inductive hit on the exposed inductor.
I should of rephrased the second question,, I meant what if the existing field made a change in flux density. From what I did look at that propagation would be at C, well Einstein would say that that information could be communicated instantly over any preexisting distance but other than that it seems to be about C.
What I am getting at is the time rate of change,, instantaneous is a pretty large rate of change. Then to consider the propagation of that change from source to whatever, would be at C,, I think,, providing it is within an existing covered distance.
We are talking about a field,, this is an interesting area as to whether there is an "object" that is bound by mechanics or not.
If the field rate of change propagates at C for an instantaneous change in flux density then an inductor would see a rate of change of C.
That "feels" like a small change in flux density over a smallish inductance would still provide a large output. This also conforms to all accepted formulas,, except for the instantaneous change of course which no formula covers.
I have bookmarked a few places so I can learn how to make a few electronic control circuits so I can play more precisely with what I am seeing and playing with. I am a slow learner and have scrap parts lying around to make things out of,, so that will take a while :)
Right now I can somewhat control the rate of change in a sine wave as far as current goes,, how much it is passing, but I would like to be able to clamp that down a lot more and maybe even see if it will go so far as affecting the DC throughput as well.
Last kick at the can for the Ward force generator.
I made a new rotor as there was an indication from some that my cast iron shoes were a source of eddy currents and hence holding back the generator. The no load drag as measured on the RV was 62 and 67 watts previously.
A bit like comparing apples and oranges as the new rotor version weighs in with much stronger magnets. But it's drag on the RV comes in at 78 watts. So I am of the opinion that the cast iron was no problem. This design actually narrows up the "shoe" area and initial cogging is greatly increased.
However, a pleasant surprise in that the output nearly smoked my poor load resister!
!080 RPM, 14.5 watts in for 11 watts out
2850 RPM, 14 watts in for 36.5 watts out!!!
And even better at higher RPM's,
The bottom line --- the total input was 174 watts for 36 watts out. (scooter motor)
So end of experiment.
Ron
Hi Ron, Awesome! Your machining skills are very admirable! I truly view workmanship of this quality with admiration!
Would you view this experiment as more than useful?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2
With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I) be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:
Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2
With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I) be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).
Thanks
This was a misconception. Sorry guys. We examine a system which gains energy during discharge. So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!!
Having this in mind check again the terms of the equation and decide by yourselves what needs for this to be accomplished.
"Conventionality doesn't lay at present equations which describe physical laws. It only lays in our interaction as observers to the said equations which describe these laws..."
Jeg
Communications waves,, are they the same??? not really sure, not sure if that matter. I don't think we need to get into split pairs,, :)
So the numbers you used,, they show that I can spend 1A for 3 seconds to make little or 1A for .003 seconds to make a lot, so is it in how much I spend?
I also think that the inductive action by itself from the inductor would modify the flux in the proximity of the coil as the changing wave happened,, I see it blowing a small hole within the field and then getting filled up with the field,, not sure on that but that is what I am thinking at this time.
Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,
Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.
Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.
Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,
Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.
Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.
For which part?You have to find out : these motor and these battery resonant point !
I have been playing with 2 coil sets that are wound on the same core,, so that is 4 coils on the core.
I have them connected so that I have 2 autotransformers with the turn count around 1:3.
I have my wall wart running through some diodes so that I can energize one of the 1 count windings and then I take out from the total winding so that would be 4,, these are just guesses since I am using a premade transformer.
Then I have the other winding set energized from the other diodes,, dito the setup.
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I am guessing there is a simple answer,, something like the feedback from the windings shifting the zero point or some such
I have tried reversing D10 and D11 which then would place the connection from the input V2 across the load out of U2 and U3,, that may not make any sense to try it,, but I try these things anyway because you do not know until you try it.
I am using a cored transformer and this may be problematic on its own,, maybe not, but that then tells me I need to try all of this stuff without the core.
That is just how I go about things,, I don't care so much as to how much my meters show,, but rather what is the change in what they show for what changes I make.
If I am using only one side of the transformer, D11 is open,, then what would you expect? if I have a 50 ohm dropping resistor between V2 and D2 what should it show? If I have a meter between the V2 side of D2 and D10 what should it show?
The load on U2 is a 10,000uf cap and a 1462 ohm resistor just in case you wanted to know,,
Right now I have replaced the dropping resistor with another transformer (10:1) in step up just because I can,, and I am wondering then if the current the dropping resistor is showing that should be there is there,, I should be able to take an output from the secondary of that transformer,, and then what should my meters show?? my meters say there is 1.45V AC across the transformer and the secondary shows 26.5V DC rectified and using a 1642 ohm resistor,, I fed it into the same resistor and cap that U2 is connected to.
Now I ask why is the dropping resistor showing 4.25 but the transformer is showing 1.45,, and that is where I am right now,,
These are running at 60Hz US power grid :)
Mexican Radio,,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCEexG9xjw)
I remember seeing these for there first broadcast,, times have changed.
I am running through several setups,, but these kind of cover the basic starting place.
Each one is just a set of connections that I am pondering,, I have many that I wish to try ,, I am mainly looking for trends and tendencies,, and then when I find something like this mysterious condition that, while there is a large load against it, there is an increase in the voltage from the wall wart.
I'm not playing a guessing game. Folk must think for themselves, I am not here to provide blueprints of things I have done, am doing...Nor am I intersted in reviewing blueprints provided by others. I am not asking anyone for anything, and don't recommend that folks ask each other for anything. The answers we seek as individuals are found in properly formulated questions, questions which are projected within to the innermost reaches of the individual, it's here where we answer our own questions. I am here to exchange with people who rely on themselves, individuals who are travelling that road which leads within, folk who can and do stand strong in a deluge of spit, name calling, sticks, and stones.
What have I found.....to put it plain....answers to my questions period.
Regards
What an alien concept. Although the wheel has been invented we are not to tell anyone. Each person must see the need, follow through and invent the wheel individually. No one is allowed to help another in this quest, it is forbidden. What a ghastly world that would be. (is)
"Regards", esteem, affection, or respect
Ron
Ron, this is not a mock question and I really hope you'd be capable of holding longer than one's average attention span in order to answer it.
As earthlings, do we really need wheels? (Is this a necessity or a commodity?)
If one could replace wheels from daily life with other "things" (regardless the cost - a purely human concept), where is the difficulty on replacing Lenz conjuncture with another one?
I am not asking anyone for anything, and don't recommend that folks ask each other for anything.Other than frustration I cannot understand why you would understand:
No one is allowed to help another in this quest, it is forbidden.
Tell him I am am all ears.
I am here to exchange with people who rely on themselves, individuals who are travelling that road which leads within, folk who can and do stand strong in a deluge of spit, name calling, sticks, and stones.
No,, V2T2 is one idea and T3 is anotherIt is between the D10 to D11 connection and V2,, not shown, correct.
The transformer is a toroid and it is off-the-shelf
IS-H040918 NRE
The resistance of the throughput coil (blue to black) is about 0.4 ohms, the core is about a 3X4X3X4cm square.
The scavenge is about 2.5 ohms
The coil tag has it
pri : 120V .....0V (red red) 125*C
40V ... 0V .... 40V ( blue black black blue)
The wire diameter with lacquer is about 0.9mm for the Blue\Black
The donut has an ID of about 45mm and an OD of about 105mm
The Red wire was a bifilar with smaller diameter wire. I have taken this and separated the wires so they are 2 coils.
The Black wires were a center tap point and I separated them so they are 2 separate coils.
Misc. rambling,,
When dealing with coils, with and without cores, I still vacillate over if the collapsing field from a pulse is collapsing back into or away from the coil and or core.
Is it the same for an air core and a permeable core?
Is it the local environment rushing back in and replacing or is it the local environment pushing the "bubble" back to where it came from.
To use a coil,, well the way we use them I don't think it matters but if we wish to use them differently it might matter a lot.
Drop a pebble into a pond of water--you now have your answer.
Brad
"Reduced Impedance Effect". A condition which can be established in inductors, a condition suggested by Paul Babcock.
Who has heard about this? Of those who have heard about it, how many believe it's real, of those who believe it's real, how many believe it can be demonstrated?
Regards
Do you think that is the full answer?
If you remember that that "pond" is a 3D sphere and not the flat surface you see.
Personally I do not think the pebble and pond is the answer. I think it only represents a mode of propagation.
If the pebble is large enough the water will not cover the pebble,, but the propagation of the disturbance still happens.
If the water is deep enough it will encase the pebble before the pebble stops moving.
There are so many variations that the pebble and pond only describe a means of the disturbance being communicated throughout the water.
Do you think that the pebble and water describe all of the interactions that are possible??
I have heard of this and halfway attempted to replicate it at one point. I am not sure I saw anything interesting as I was not doing it exactly like paul does with the controlled collapse of the inductor thru his switching process. But I would think the same thing should happen in pulsed coils where the inductive reactive energy is collected in a cap or used up somehow. So theoretically if all of the magnetism has been removed from the coil, the coil should show a reduced impedance to the flow of current and all pulsing/capturing rigs should exhibit this reduced impedance phenomena. I don't think they do... What are your thoughts on where the disconnect is? Since Paul talks about being able to run full current thru 300 mH coils at 400Hz....
Dave
No,but you were talking only of the magnetic field,while the electric field associated with the magnetic field seems to be always forgotten.
What is the field that is inducing the single turn secondary in the video below,if all magnetic flux is suppose to remain within the core of a toroid transformer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0)
IancaIV
It is well known the electrostatic force is very large. I believe the numbers say if we had two 1 m^2 plates spaced 1 meter apart and moved 1 ampere of current of opposite charges to each plate the force of attraction generated would be 1 million tons. This cannot be done for obvious reasons however that does not change the fact the forces are extremely large.
In another example if we took a cube of aluminum as big as a sugar cube and separated all the charges in it 1 meter apart the force of attraction would be 32 million million million pounds. Equivalent to the force applied by the weight of a cube of steel 76 miles high, 76 miles wide and 76 miles long.
I know all these things from memory because my primary field of expertise is electrostatics outside the context of my occupation as an Engineer. Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored however electrostatics is still considered the black arts in many circles. We have much to learn in this area.
AC
I have ponded over your comment for some time. My interest in this field promped me to ask, What makes you believe "Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored"? Personally I believe there are massive Holes, even some inconsistencies.
Some work that is also questioning similar area's is: [/font]Incompetent Science - by Carl van der Togt (http://www.paradox-paradigm.nl/?page_id=87)[/font]
His work in the famous Aether Experiment of Michelson–Morley is alone ground breaking. [/size]
The A field
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers)
Ron
Hey EMJ
I think the common understanding of electro-magnetics has been well explored relating specifically to the types of devices most people build. Personally I like to separate the properties of any given phenomena or groups into three classes, electrostatic, electro-magnetic and magnetic. Bulk generalizations towards phenomena as I generally see follow a road leading to nowhere while understanding phenomena on the level they occur shows great potential.
As if to say... I understand that when a charged particle moves it carries it's charge with it. Likewise in moving it creates what many call a magnetic field and again the charge carries it's magnetic field with it. We know these things intuitively and yet we brush them off as insignificant. We ignore everything that really matters and make bulk generalizations as if to say all that stuff happening under the surface does not matter... when it is all that matters. Every part of the whole must dictate the action of the whole. It is actually quite easy and it's kind of like people, what we think we see on the surface seldom relates to whats really inside.
Damn you EMJ, I was compelled to spend the last hour or so reading your link.
Alternately... what if everything was simple, what if it was rather easy?. What if space was like an electromagnetic pegboard and in order for something to move it must move on something, our pegboard, such as already existing EM waves covering what we know as the EM spectrum born from every star in the universe. Every sequential change in energy state or as some call it "motion" must take discrete steps from one pegboard hole to the next within a defined time frame. Which may be why one peg cannot jump another, it cannot generally jump multiple holes and in most instances it cannot push off of an already existing peg. Which reminds us of something we already know concerning conduction electrons moving through the crystalline lattice of a metal.
I think the Michelson–Morley experiment is a lesson in the obvious. So they spat out some photons from a light source with multiple paths and expected the interference pattern to show a difference in velocity due to the motion of some mysterious aether?. You know sometimes disproving is in fact proving and vice versa however it is completely dependent on which side of the fence we make our observations. Does the experiment prove there is no relative motion between a particle and the Aether or does it prove all particles follow discrete steps ie. motion regardless of the the apparent motion due to an Aether?. In my mind the first question would be if the supposed absolute velocity of the photon (speed of photon plus movement of source) did not match the measured velocity of the photon then what impeded it's velocity?, something must have...what was it?.
In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.
Best Regards
AC
It's actually the E field that induces a current in the secondary,and that current creates the magnetic field around the secondary.
Brad
In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.
Best Regards
AC
Hey AC, it's been a while!
So what's up with this Tesla radiant matter stuff?
Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it :P
Thanks for sharing
Luc
AC, Isn’t this where you precisely arrange three Tachyon Ray Converters at 33.3 degrees to each other, and then fire Binomial Positronic Trans-Dimensional belly button rings at each other at the same time?
Causing a Tear in a Fabric of the Lounge room curtains?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
My progress is slow on my replication of Brad's Rotary Transformer.
My research into the RT, shows a lot of inconsistencies. Some data just doesnt fit!
I have to report what Ive found, maybe we can have some comments from Brad if hes ok with correcting me and my research? Correct me where I have gone wrong?
Still at the same place: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/)
Yes, none have entered and none are showing an interest which is pretty typical around here! The loudest are always the quietest when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Good morning,from Portugal view point,03.07 am, Chris Sykes !
Sometimes you have to "shout" more than only 1 time,many times more,that you offer your own idea
resolution website !
I think(I am not stupid ;) ) that with the given link/enderece http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/ (http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/) the number of "none" here "....none have entered and none are showing an interest ..."
will become something of the past !
But at today you has the "hyiq.org" page , how many :o "main" pages you will establish for h(a)ow many ideas/concepts ? Amazon has one page/website-link,but with several 10/100/... sub-pages !
I hope for you that you will get enough "fellowers/followers" and that in future the 24h day will be sufficient long to satisfy yours and the interests of all others which will work with you or led them only informed by your delivered site information,with the freedom to give advice,from where their knowledge they have get !
Good bye and a peacefull and successfull future
OCWL
My progress is slow on my replication of Brad's Rotary Transformer.
My research into the RT, shows a lot of inconsistencies. Some data just doesnt fit!
I have to report what Ive found, maybe we can have some comments from Brad if hes ok with correcting me and my research? Correct me where I have gone wrong?
Still at the same place: http://buildoff.hyiq.org/thread/chris-s-build-entry/
Yes, none have entered and none are showing an interest which is pretty typical around here! The loudest are always the quietest when it comes to putting their money where their mouth is!
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
I would like to refer to a statement from an email you sent me Chris-hope you dont mind,as it is just a statement.
Hey Brad - Just thought I'd let you know, as prommised, my local Engineering shop, two of them, laughed at me, said that Boring a hole in the Armature would be nearly impossible without destroying the Armature.
So, I am lost, looks like this boring a hole thing is going to be a no goer...
I wonder how many people just give up because the !so called! ex-sperts say it is near impossible ::) ::)
Lucky for me,i am limited only by my own abilities.
See pic's below Chris-->just done this morning for your entertainment-->11 minutes on an $85.00 dollar drill press,and the correct procedure.
Thank god for engineer shop's-hey ;)
Brad
Hey Brad - Nice work there!
Of course this is an entirely different Armature! Not pressed into the Steel Casing of the Vacuum Motor Casing. Also a lot larger by the looks!
I am most certainly not an expert! I hope you went implying I was? I most certainly do not limit myself to anything other than Facts! None should!
Brad, I did ask questions because the Facts did not add up and Questions remained. I have actually done some experiments on Vacuum Cleaner Motors that I have not released, and yes I did try to get an Armature out of the Steel Housing from where it was pressed in. Needless to say, it did not come out without damage! I had scratches on the Steel Casing and also damaged the Laminations on the Armature. The Armature securing Lugs I did have to punch out, and this did damage the Steel Housing, it was clearly visible where I punched out the Lugs.
The pressed Fit of the Armature was too tight for easy clean removal from the Steel Casing.
The numbers given still don’t add up either. 3 + 3 + 4 x 2 = 20. My Armature is only 15mm across. So I guess my research is still in error. Maybe you were referring to a larger Armature?
Again, Brad I am no expert. Motors are not my strong point! I enjoy researching devices that have potential, and the RT seems as if it has…
Sadly, I am the only one asking questions! None are willing to learn?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
P.S: My specific requirement to my local Engineering Shop, was Clean No Damage scenario, out and back in. Looking like its never been out. They were being honest, there would be visible signs of removal.
Chris
Would you like me to show you how to get the armature out of the steel housing within seconds,without a scratch,or without having to even pop the retainer pressings out.
20 seconds-thats all it takes Chris.
As i said,there are ex-spurts,and then there are those that know what there doing,or how to do things.
Brad
Hi Brad, its your call what you do, or want to do.
Asking questions is only logical when questions arrise, isnt it?
Chris Sykes
hyiq.org
Perhaps you would like to join the Build Off Party and see if we can all make some progress?
Its entirely up to you what you do, but I would like to replicate this with some accuracy and I am sure at least one other person here would also.
Do you know maybe how to to remove generator from the case of portable generator without special tool ? https://www.google.pl/search?biw=1280&bih=877&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=generator+650W&oq=generator+650W&gs_l=img.3...6800.8050.0.8203.5.5.0.0.0.0.147.655.0j5.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.4.525...0j0i19k1j0i30i19k1j0i5i30i19k1j0i8i30i19k1.RjrY5VuhL7E#imgrc=FTMnia6XjGMRTM%3A
There is a flywheel inside :(
Just in case you know everything ::)
Well Chris,it's like this.
It seems to me that you are doing your best to point out negatives that just do not exist in your build attempt.
The first one being that to drill the hole through the laminated core would be next to impossible,as per the engineering shops comments.
Second,you say that it is near impossible to get the stator out of the housing without damage of some sort,and you point out that there is no damage what so ever present in or on the housing of my motor.
First i showed you that a hole can be drilled into a laminated core with ease--if you know what your doing. This puts your first !near impossibility! into the !easy as! basket,and shows that it can be done with ease-with any size laminated core.
So now i will have to put the second concern to rest,in that you find it hard to believe that the stator can be removed within 20 second's,without so much as a scratch.
So i'll be back in a while,to post the video,that once again will show you that what you think near impossible,is done with ease.
No,i would not like to join the build off. That is reserved for those that junk my work,but as seen many times now,will never take me on.
I have shown you that it is quite easy to drill the hole in the laminated core.
I will soon show you how easy it is to get the stator out.
As i clearly stated way back in the thread where the measurements took place,under the guidance of PW and MarkE,there would be no full disclosure of the entire workings of the RT--and that remains to date.
Brad
How to do the !hard! things easy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3nWWtmPq6I
Brad
Dear Brad.
With the right tools available. " The impossible takes but a few moments, miracles just a little longer!"
You have my full attention.........
Cheers Grum.
I always thought it was miracles are done at once,but the impossible takes a little longer lol.
Brad
So what's up with this Tesla radiant matter stuff?[/size]Could you explain it in a way that a simple experimenter like me could get it
Hey Luc
I will start a new thread tonight and go through what is required. In my setup I was using a 100 KV DC supply, Tesla's magnetically quenched spark gap and an 8" stainless steel spherical electrode.
AC
snip...Could you elaborate on this Ron. Does this mean you are pulsing the series connected strands, then coil shorting the other strands during the off mode of the series coil? That is, the short is 180 degrees relative to the pulse? Have you tried simultaneous pulsing of the series connected strands, with the other strands shorted during the pulse, with both mosfets open after the pulse?
The main power board is set up for two 180 degree power mosfets for coil shorting and coil driving.
snip...
Could you elaborate on this Ron. Does this mean you are pulsing the series connected strands, then coil shorting the other strands during the off mode of the series coil? That is, the short is 180 degrees relative to the pulse? Have you tried simultaneous pulsing of the series connected strands, with the other strands shorted during the pulse, with both mosfets open after the pulse?
Trying to understand your sequencing of coil pulsing and shorting, and which coils are doing what.
Cheers Ron
What might happen if the primary had a low inductance\resistance and just before the peak voltage was reached a second coil was then shorted or connected to an empty cap?
I see the primary having a small current suddenly bursting a high current pulse due to the transformer action with the second coil, the flux field is charge carrier motion,, so the flux field would jump up from the,,,, lets just call it an impulse current hit,, now provide some form of interactive resistance to the collapse of the now large flux field, that sounds to me like an inductive interaction.
Just thinking in public,, :)
Ron,
I went back and tried that circuit again with mosfets and it did NOT work. Apparently you are right about the internal diode causing problems with this circuit. If you use a couple of 2n3055 transistors or something similar you should get the same results I got in the video. And I did not have any delay between the switching of the transistors. They both turned on and off together. Hope this helps some.
Carroll
Sorry Hoptoad, I was having a seniors moment there! The two pulses are nearly simultaneous.Thanks, that answers my query. And don't worry about having a seniors moment. I have them too!
snip...
Ron
Hi Ron,
Where are you recovering from?
How long are you shorting the other coil?
Hi guys,
Please go back and look at the schematic I posted in post 755. I pulsed the primary with one half of the secondary shorted. I collected the collapsing energy from the secondary. I have not had time to try collecting from the primary so I don't know how well that would work with this test. I was using a normal off the shelf Radio Shack small transformer as you can see in the video. The primary is rated at 120 volts and the secondary is center tapped with 12-0-12 output. I also was only pulsing the primary with 12 volts but the cap on the secondary still went well above that. If you watch the video again you can see the effect on the scope of having the shorting action or removing the shorting action.
Carroll
Why?
Why?
Does anybody have Erfinder's most recent posts in a pdf format?
What is the point in posting this? What you think is relevant with regards to what "I" share is irrelevant. If people want to know more about what I have said, or will say, they should focus on what is said when it's said, and then come up with applicable questions. You have no idea what I am trying to share nor why I am trying to share it. The time you just invested in making that last post, you could have invested in asking proper questions of your own. I hope you understand my position and my reason for no longer being motivated to help any of you understand any more than you think you do already about what it is that I would like for you to experience......
A changing magnetic field will induce a voltage\current kind of thing,, moving current creates a magnetic field, the more current the more field,, so a moving or changing magnetic field creates current flow. The field that is created is by the current motion at the second you are viewing the field,, so all the build up current is not so much used,, if you will.
The thought then would be that if you created an impulse electric current flow that that would stimulate a reactionary magnetic current to flow, which then could be used to induce electric current to flow, both on the impulse reaction as well as the collapse of the magnetic field that is driving the magnetic current.
The drive coil gets opened, the pulse short coil gets opened, so what if there was a neutral coil handy as the magnetic current started to flow back,, it would try and stop the collapse BECAUSE it would only see the change in flux,, unlike the other 2 coils it does not know or care if the field is going out or back in,, they are polarized in a way but a neutral coil might not be.
There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums
Ron
Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum
If you give it some thought, you will conclude that all devices whose operation is built around "changing" magnetic fields, all operate as both transformers and generators. Murray's configuration enables one to investigate the relations between transformer and generator action from a slightly different perspective to the one we are versed in. Many are mistaking his presentation for an end all. It is not, many forget how old this topology is, and who perfected it to a high degree before abandoning it. What we see here is far removed from the "ideal" physical geometry and yields the poorest relations between inducer and induced.
You must try and understand how to establish the proper relations without reducing maximum coupling capability of the system. If this is the direction you want to go in, keep in mind I do not consider it the right one, the following are a few prerequisites....
- induced wave must be asymmetrical
- stator coils and rotor magnets equal in number
- identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced
The type of generator we are all after is not the type of generator we all build... Appreciate what we have been given, understand that you have what you want already, comprehend that you always had it! Recognize that this sought after thing was preserved by the very same individuals who inform us that it doesn't exist. You need not look any further than your conventional pulsed DC machine....I keep saying the same thing, check the record, unlike many, I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.
I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.
Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it.
I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator. snip
It is a very interesting device. It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output. However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...
Dave
Murray informed you people that the transforming generator was developed for exploring the difference between EMF and potential, is there is a difference.......that's no longer a question I need answered, ergo lack of question mark.
My dogma.
For crying out loud! Murray shows you in a machine that you should expect increased consumption! One's inability to comprehend how to take advantage of the consumption increase is not the problem of the person making the presentation.
I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.
....think about that before you post your rebuttal.....
snip
I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.
https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24 (https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24)
https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24 (https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24)
\You people aren't dealing with the proper energy, and don't seem to even want to familiarize yourselves with it.
https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24
Only a select few have what it takes to lift themselves into the air by their own boot straps, as for the rest.... the best they can look forward to is a slow stagnation.
I have had experiences with teachers that do not provide direct information on a topic, but they instead take you on a journey so that you will build the information up a layer at a time.
I do not think Erfinder will provide a "how-to" nor anything about the circuit he has produced and most likely not to much more about the coils he has wound.
All these things will fall out when the correct perspective is used to build something. (there may be more than one way to use the view and maybe the correct perspective can also be viewed from a few angles)
The cryptic answers and the sequence they are answered in I think will make sense once the perspective is seen,, that is when you go from one step to the next and then look back things might make sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y5XrXA4aI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4y5XrXA4aI&feature=youtu.be)
Did you read the note? Did you write down the numbers from the video and then listen to what was being said,, I know these sound bad but there are a few ways of hearing the information and interpreting it,, or not.
I take input and go over it a few times,, often what I first think about the input changes,, a few days may go by and reflecting on the input,, this is usually my own tests by the way,, I see something else that I did not see the first time.
Have you figured out what you want yet?
what I am trying to share that's what you really want.
Luc, 2015-02-05, I'm presently attempting a replication of Erfinder's multi-strand bucking generator coils which he has demonstrated in this video: http://vimeo.com/117820507 (http://vimeo.com/117820507)
Its difficult to contemplate and or discuss the what ifs with one whom is no longer in the position to have an exchange of ideas. Unlike Lenz, his ideas were not "committed" to the volume which would later be referred to by all.
No he was not crazy, but he is not the subject. To see what he was suggesting, we must comprehend that which has yet to be comprehended. Do you have any idea why three coils is significant? Why two will never do?
Regards
Now that that is out of the way, you didn't answer my question. Did you find what you were looking for? I told you what you really want, you dont know what that is...and if I shared that bit of info with you, it wouldn't make sense because you dont see things in the right light yet.
I am interested ,I read Grumages' pdf sounds similar maybe I'm wrong.
Not trying to offend anybody just trying to learn.
Your posts are quite cryptic though.
artv
Russell.....you should have thrown that name out earlier.... I have studied all available works....he did not leave us the solution....he did leave us with a superior way of looking at it when we do finally figure it out.
... its (that which generated the wake) amplitude and frequency are recorded instantly in a coexisting substance ....
"The future is reactive, and no, I am not talking about the crippled single frequency shit that we are buried in when ever anyone brings up the subject of resonance and reactive power. I know now that the truth is right here, right now, we are just too fucking stupid to get it.
snip
Yes.
I had one of those "whatever" moments so I used some ribbon cable to wind a coil.
I split a length of cable into a 2 wire strip and a 3 wire strip and wound them on a former like a capacitor.
I started with the 2 wire ribbon and then placed the 3 wire so that the middle wire of the 3 wire was in the middle of the 2 wire. I also ran the 2 wire around one extra turn so that it was both on the bottom and the top.
9.5 inch former
12 wraps of 3
13 wraps of 2
When pulsing 20+ volts into the middle wire of the 3 wire cable the best I got out from all the others was about like 1.7V I have not tried all combinations yet just a quick lets look and see.
This is air core.
Next I looked at the current when I had all the other wires in parallel and still stuffing the pulse in through the middle wire of the 3 wire ribbon,, 0.330A 18.8V,, not really caring about the voltage,, output was .089A straight into my meter.
Then I grabbed a ferrite E core from a transformer and placed a small part of the coil between the legs,, output went up to 0.094A,, grabbed a stack of metal E cores about the same thickness,, output went up to 0.102A,, grabbed a computer side cover and covered the one side of the entire core and then some,, output went down to 0.065A,, still want to try more things :)
Here is the coil and the side cover and E cores.
Mag amp experiments
Ron
Erfinder,All good questions Ron. I'd like to add a few more.
Questions for the day...
Correct me if I am wrong but a "mag amp" is not an amplifier in the sense that it is capable of amplifying source, rather the "amplification" is merely the ratio of control voltage to output voltage? And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?
In your builds I "think" I see two different coils, maybe one perpendicular to the rotor and one horizontal?
Or is the mag amp principle active at the coil level?
Are you modulating the coils in some manner? Sort of heterodyne? with the transformer doing the demodulation?
Ron
snip...If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
snip...
Ron
In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?
Ron
No
Erfinder
Only an authority is in the position to correct you if you are wrong, I am no authority. I cannot agree with what you say as my perspective is different from yours. Where we can agree is your view is the one which has been handed down to us by industry. They reveal to us time and time again that our best interest is not in their best interest.
Inductance is the variable being manipulated. Resistance is still present, assuming it is present. The text books inform us of what inductance is, in closed circuits but sheds no light as to what it is in open circuits.
Define "motor/generator". Your definition is not my definition.
The advantage can be comprehended only after you have acquired the necessary understanding of what a motor/generator is.
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If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
I asked myself exactly the question you just did, then thought to myself, well, let's find out.
The positive result was rather unexpected.
If your memory, like mine, ain't what it used to be, here's a refresher link, the relevant pages are 12 to 14.
Transformer use begins on page 13..... http://adams.5gbfree.com (http://adams.5gbfree.com)
Cheers
Are you going to define what you mean by motor/generator?
You have adopted the standard view....
Question.....
Does a motor generate?
Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates. Alexander, among others recognized this. Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.
Enjoy your coffee, the weather, your walk, and the company.
My memory is just like the link says, "This web page is not available", LOL
snip....
Strange.... link works for me. LOL. Perhaps I'm in the twilight zone.
I knew that the computer could read the CEMF but not ways to redirect it from the supply--- continue please
And a graph I should have studied closer.
Ron
For the last time....I do not have a magamp, the similarity my concept may have to a magamp is irrelevant. Among other things, the reactive network functions as an impedance mismatch. What you think you know needs to be placed on the side....it will not aid you in understanding what I am suggesting.
Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates. Alexander, among others recognized this. Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.
I am also dusting my insanely large 12 coil pulse motor and making a few modifications on it so that it to will produce this effect, using 2x of its trifilars as motor coils, and the rest as gen coils which will supply a huge transformer based reactor which amplifies the effect.
Your description is nowhere near what I am suggesting! You separate the two, just like you are taught to....I do not.....let that sink in. A motor is a generator! Comprehend that sir, then approach me, otherwise, you are wasting both of our time.
Motor Generator,, Really?
,,.
They are a transfer pump\conversion pump.
My interpretation has always been that Erfinder makes pumps.
One is called a Motor when it is taking a higher potential and reducing it by some means
One is called a Generator when it is taking a lower potential and increasing it by some means
Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.
An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.[/size]An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.
Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.
@tinman
In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.
In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC
Interesting view, however, I am not wrong as you stated.
Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man in an attempt to compare all things including those that are not the same,, so indeed you can not create or destroy that that is not real.
Now if you care to read where I said "by some means",, I suppose that is rather vague, maybe to simple,, and maybe the visualization of a pump being the IO of an internal system with something external is to simple, but that is how it works.
Just think of how complicated it would get if I were to replace "by some means" with the exact method for all possible conditions, just so it would be exact.
I guess you are not agreeing that when the pump is pumping it is adding\subtracting its input\output energy to\from the potential.
Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man
Energy is transferred between storage mechanism in motors and generators.....energy is not being transformed. Motors and generators are not transformers, they are devices which facilitate the processing of magneto-dielectric potentialities.
Fascinating watching you struggle with the concept. Fascinating watching you grab at straws, resorting to change the channel rather than face the reality that you still have yet to perceive. You have indicated that you hold to what you stated....Do that and stagnate, it's your business. I make it my business to see what is and has been right in front of us the entire time, namely, that "energy" a poorly defined term, is a placeholder for something whose quality cannot be quantified. It is an expression of pure ignorance on our part as we associate quantity on the unqualifiable.....
Your inability to consider things from this perspective literally stops you from comprehending that it is through charging and discharging the storage mechanism that work is done. Here you will find Nature standing ready to slam the door in your face yet again, as the term work as it is used here has nothing to do with what you think it does. Only one form of work is ever done, find it, and we will be on the same page. I have very little faith in your ability to find it...
I have very little faith in your ability to find it
This from a guy who knows absolutely nothing at all, a wannabe who continues to lead his following on wild goose chase, after wild goose chase, a guy who has a packed video library of his greatest failures on the road to nowhere. I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges. Do something useful, show your following how smart you are, what I showed em.
I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges
Energy is a yardstick,, think about what it is describing.
To have energy you must have a gradient of some kind, you must also have something that can interact with that gradient and that item must be able to have caused a change by moving through that gradient.
:)
This points out that Energy is a specific observation.
A large bucket (large enough to hold the air and gasoline) on a long string with a long ways to drop,, no chemical transformation needed.
What did you show them?
What have they learned from you?
How many here,after countless pages of post,know what you are talking about?
Brad
Those are for you to figure out on your own, if and when you ever do, we have something of monumental significance to discuss. I got here on my own, no help. I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.
I got here on my own, no help. I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.
Either you show them what I showed them, or plug your hole.
You contradict your self AC[/size]Quote: There is no true transformation[/size]Quote: and the kind of motion has changed[/size]To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.I stand by what i say.
Then i challenge you to take a liter of gasoline,and 1000 cubic meters of air,and make a 100 watt light bulb light for 10 minutes-->without any sort of transformation of the stored energy within the gasoline.[/size]When you have done this,then you may come back and say there was no transformation of energy.
snip...Regarding specific geometric relations, are you referring to the PHYSICAL geometric relationship between:
That which has been demonstrated is restricted to very specific geometric relations, and other factors which none express an interest in.
@tinman
An interesting question.
We know gasoline, a hydrocarbon, will interact with oxygen in air when ignited reducing to carbon dioxide.
Gasoline and air are both made of atoms, the atoms made of charged particles, Proton, Neutron, electron.
When the hydrogen interacts with oxygen the charged particles start oscillating rapidly which we call heat.
This rapid motion of the charges we call heat causes expansion in an engine causing a generator to turn which moves charges in a conductor.
The moving charges as a current excites the material in the filament of bulb causing the atoms or charges to oscillate as well.
This rapid oscillation of the charges in the filament emits electromagnetic energy within the EM spectrum of visible light.
Thus we can say the energy transferred to the system due to the motion of the excited charges in the gasoline/air mixture is not unlike the excited charges in the filament which caused EM energy to radiate as light. At every point in the system we have atoms/charges transferring electromagnetic energy to each other and moving it through the system and only the type of motion of the charges has changed.
After all, we know everything in the universe is made of charged particles and electromagnetic fields and we also know energy and matter are conserved. In fact we could discard all the terms such as molecules, compounds, chemistry, heat, electricity etc... and simply describe what something is and how it acts by describing the geometric relationship of the charges(particle/fields) and the kinds of motion involved.
For instance the hydrogen in gasoline and the oxygen in air do not transform or burn... that is absurd. Obviously both are made of charged particles and EM fields and to suggest charged particles somehow transform or burn is ridiculous. The charged particles EM fields interact causing excitation as very rapid oscillations which is a range of motion we mistakenly call heat.
In any case it seems kind of ridiculous to be using all these terms which never actually describe anything and never tell us exactly what is happening on the most important level. How can anyone ever expect to learn anything of value by using meaningless non-descriptive terms?.
AC
Lets take the highlighted,and look at that a bit closer--water as fuel.[/size]Water is 2 parts hydrogen,and one part oxygen--but it will not burn in the combined liquid state.What must happen before that water becomes fuel ?--yes,we must transform that liquid into two gases. When these two gases are ignited,it transforms back to it's original liquid state.A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.
balancing magnetic fields is all it is.
throw them off balance and you get a reaction, it can be in your favor or work against you.
that's all Lenz is.
throw it off balance and it works for your goal , instead of against it.
it still takes work to throw it off balance.
the accepted way to build a motor or generator is wrong, it uses more work than you need.
the cogging or Lenz, use that , it is a nice strong force that is a bi-product of motoring and generating
figure out when it manifests' and switch it off or re-direct it.
Nothing will ever work if you keep following the generalized method of motors or generators.
artv
@tinman
An interesting observation.
We could also say water or H2O is simply two hydrogen atoms(particles and fields) bound to one oxygen atom(particles and fields) though their electro-magnetic fields.
To cause liquid H2O to become separate components such as H2 and O2 gasses we add energy which simply increases the space between the groups of charged particles we call atoms. For example if I had two red balls(H2) and one white ball(O) and added energy which forced the red and white balls apart by a distance should I say the balls have transformed?. Well no they have not transformed they have simply moved further apart.
Thus a transform is dependent on the level at which we visualize something and for you it has changed or transformed and from my perspective it has not really changed. In effect you are trying to argue what you think I should see rather than trying to understand what I see. You are simply looking at the general bulk appearance of something while I am looking at all the parts which make up that something. Which begs the question... what do you hope to gain from viewing everything based on how it appears to you rather than what it is in reality?.
Obviously your not getting this so let's try another example. Fundamentally we know the H and O atoms are groups of charged particles bound by fields we call atoms. Normally we add energy to H2O in the form of a current and the constant electric field of this current produces a brute force which separates the H and O atoms by a distance. We now say the H and O atoms separated by a distance have become gasses. This is one way to separate H2O into H and O atoms however it is a very inefficient way when we consider the reality of what we are doing.
Do you know of any other way?... probably not because you are viewing the problem on completely the wrong level. Fundamentally there are two ways to tear matter(charged particles and fields) apart. 1) we apply a large constant brute force externally or 2) we apply a small intermittent force causing the particle/fields to oscillate in themselves and tear itself apart internally. Not unlike charged capacitor plates we can 1) pull them apart with a constant brute force against the internal forces or 2) cause each plate to oscillate in itself and in turn oscillate with the other plate to such an extent that they fly apart. One is just plain stupid while the other uses a little understanding and a little finesse to accomplish the same result in a more efficient way.
As you say... this is not rocket science. In effect you are always trying to throw hundreds of hand grenades at the exterior of a tank in hopes of breaking it apart. While I understand it would be much easier to simply throw one hand grenade inside and use the tanks own external strength against itself which is it's true weakness. These are common themes relating to how nature actually works beyond the scope of all those superficial things we think we see which were never actually true. Appearances can be deceiving and I seldom trust them as a matter of principal.
AC
I ask you this one very simple and well defined question AC[/size]Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater What takes place when matter of one state !changes! into another state ?.
snip..The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater ;)
snip..
The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
99% of the visible universe exists in a plasma state, exhibiting characteristics and behaviours unlike those of neutral gases, fluids or solids.
Ironically, plasma is often referred to as the fourth state of matter, yet its sheer abundance and dominance in the universe should rank it as the first state of matter.
Cheers
I wouldn't go first for water dissociation while I couldn't explain why the oxygen atom - an ion (the same goes for hydrogen) which has an electrostatic polarity would combine with another oxygen ion. Alike ions would repel, let alone to combine to form O2. School teachings…
I would go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf (http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf)
Is that frequency a constant as in “light speed constant” or "water boiling temperature constant”?
Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?
Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.
Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?
Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.
You refer to the parasitic capacity....capacity which owes its existence to proximity between turns. This is not the true capacity of the coil.
You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity.
What is capacity? Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns. I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....
Regards
You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity.
What is capacity? Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns. I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....
Regards
I am not intersted in parasitic capacity, self capacity, nor mutual capacitance..... That should narrow it down a bit...
Is this the limit of what you know?
You put yourself down....to answer your question though, I have mastered what I want. Putting you down isn't on my list of things that I want to accomplish with my life, but you can think that that's my motivation for coming here if it makes you feel better about not having mastered what you want.
I knew of dielectric materials,, but not of a field.
Always a put down, is that all you have mastered?
Ron
Thanks for the link.
Math does not bother me so much as long as I know what the symbols mean,, I do a lot of visualization :)
So far I have gotten that the dielectric field\flux is between charged bodies and the flux lines terminate on the body surface,, so an external field and that it is an electric displacement.
A lot of what I have read elsewhere sounds familiar,, not sure why yet, but it is not "new" to me so far.
After all this time,you expected something else from Erfinder ? :o
Brad
I'll just leave this here. I can use a refresher...
Four Quadrant Energy Exchange in Magnetic & Dielectric Fields of Induction (http://www.gestaltreality.com/energy-synthesis/eric-dollard/four-quadrant-energy-exchange-in-magnetic-dielectric-fields-of-induction/)
I was afraid about that, Eric puts all that math sh!t and doesn't say how the fields move? what is the relationship between them? what is the force that governs them? how do they morph?
A layman cannot understand much and he abandons all in frustration because of it. Math is only a language like English, of Japanese, and you got the frustration when you don't understand much... Math describes "stuff" with its limitation as any spoken language of what has already been there. And in my opinion it fails a lot, one example being Maxwell equations (the wave forms are not consistent with the conservation of energy laws).
Math does not invent sh!t.
After all this time,you expected something else from Erfinder ? :o
Brad
at least it is illustrated enough and some of the content is more easily understood. Forget the math and look for the quality of descriptions..
When I hear or read about "Displacement current" I get a jolt especially after I just said how I feel about Maxwell equations.
But let me give it a try using wikipedia as a mainstream source for the concise answers:
"In electromagnetism, displacement current is a quantity appearing in Maxwell's equations that is defined in terms of the rate of change of electric displacement field."
OK, what is the "electric displacement field"?
"In physics, the electric displacement field, denoted by D, is a vector field that appears in Maxwell's equations. It accounts for the effects of free and bound charge within materials while its sources are the free charges only."
So it's only in Maxwell equations (which I distrust for the reasons I was stating before) and accounts for... yada... yada... "WITHIN MATERIALS". Does the vacuum of space qualifies as material?
Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?
And Eric said this while in some other interview said that from space, sun and other stars are not visible to the naked eye (so he also does not believe in "electromagnetic theory").
He bases his explanations on a matter centered math, while he is vocal about the nonexistence of "electron". Bottom line what exactly is displaced?
Folks, I tried to help and now I have to swallow my own words.
Again, Eric studied the long gone titans of electricity and if I have to make sense on different statements he made, I think that in time his position(s) have changed and if you must take him as authority, be aware that internet does not records a time stamp on what people say.
Can anyone explain with a straight face what displacement current is to a layman?
1891-04-18: Phenomena of Currents of High Frequency
While not directly connected with the present controversy, I would here point out that there exists a popular error in regard to the properties of dielectric bodies. Many electricians frequently confound the theoretical dielectric of Maxwell with the dielectric bodies in use. They do not stop to think that the only perfect dielectric is ether, and that all other bodies, the existence of which is known to us, must be conductors, judging from their physical properties.
1896-04-22: Roentgen Ray Investigations
In my communication to you of April 1, I have for the first time stated that these rays are composed of matter in a "primary" or elementary condition or state. I have chosen this mode of expression in order to avoid the use of the word "ether", which is usually understood in the sense of the Maxwellian interpretation, which would not be in accord with my present convictions in regard to the nature of the radiations.
The Problem of Increasing Human Energy - With Special References to the Harnessing of the Sun's Energy
The strength of the proofs brought forward by Hertz in support of Maxwell's theory resided in the correct estimate of the rates of vibration of the circuits he used. But I ascertained that he could not have
obtained the rates he thought he was getting. The vibrations with identical apparatus he employed are, as a rule, much slower, this being due to the presence of air, which produces a dampening effect upon a rapidly vibrating electric circuit of high pressure, as a fluid does upon a vibrating tuning-fork. I have, however, discovered since that time other causes of error, and I have long ago ceased to look upon his results as being an experimental verification of the poetical conceptions of Maxwell. The work of the great German physicist has acted as an immense stimulus to contemporary electrical research, but it has likewise, in a measure, by its fascination, paralysed the scientific mind, and thus hampered independent inquiry. Every new phenomenon which was discovered was made to fit the theory, and so very often the truth has been unconsciously distorted.
1905-01-07: The Transmission of Electrical Energy Without Wires as a Means for Furthering Peace
Our accepted estimates of the duration of natural metamorphoses, or changes in general, have been thrown in doubt of late. The very foundations of science have been shaken. We can no longer believe in the Maxwellian hypothesis of transversal ether-undulations of electrical vibrations…
1934-04-08: Tesla Sees Evidence Radio and Light Are Sound
This appears clearly, Mr. Tesla explained, if it is first realized that, there being no Maxwellian ether, there can be no transverse oscillation in the medium. The Newtonian theory, he believes, is in error, because it fails entirely in not being able to explain how a small candle can project particles with the same speed as the blazing sun, which has an immensely higher temperature.
"We have made sure by experiment," said Mr. Tesla, "that light propagates with the same velocity irrespective of the character of the source. Such constancy of velocity can only be explained by assuming that it is dependent solely on the physical properties of the medium, especially density and elastic force.
But wait, what is he talking about "density and elastic force"? Didn't he compared inductive and capacitive properties with those of a mass and a loaded spring respectively?
I don't subscribe to the concept of an electric field, so...I cannot answer your question. Were you to ask the same question, replacing electric field with dielectric field, we would probably have something to discuss.... probably....
I would go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf
I have,, many years ago and that was while I was looking into the simple "limiter" that is built into all electric motors,, that little part known as a generator.
Another interesting note is that voltage drives current,, so you can apply an opposing voltage to the generator part and stop current from moving.
At some point in time have you not questioned the very nature of the interactions that are in play?I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.
Does the magnetic field interact the same for all charge carriers. Does voltage interact the same for all charge carriers?Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.
Then you get left with,, What is a charge carrier? Is a charge carrier a certain reaction to some observation of change between something?The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.
Simple questions for some,, or are they?The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.
As long as there is room to change what a person understands they can learn.I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.
@webby1I have always questioned the very nature of all interactions on every level I know of then I questioned why I questioned them then I came to understand better answers follow better questions.
Good question however what is the nature of the question?. I would change the question as the term "charge carrier" is ambiguous, is a charge the electron particle or the field associated with the electron and how is it carried?. Does the magnetic field or rather a motional electric field interact the same for all other particle fields?... I guess that would depend on how many other variables are involved. For instance if we had 52 variables there would be more permutations than there are atoms on Earth. It is quite large and the odds of stumbling upon the correct variation are near zero hence our dilemma.
The answer is dependent on the nature of the question...what is a charge carrier? A critical thinker might ask why do I think it is a charge carrier, why that terminology and not some other?. Why "charge" which is a meaningless term and not field property relating to a particle, why carrier when we do not know it is carried?. The field could move with a particle but not be carried if it is induced and this implies two forces are at work.
The question often tells us more about the person and their thinking than their answer ever could. It may very well be the solution cannot be found in the answer more so the nature or posturing of the question which led to their answer.
I also thought understanding was the answer then I learned our mind is literally hard wired to comprehend all our surroundings in known ways. Our way of thinking is habitual thus in order to truly change our level of understanding and learn we must first change our mind. Learning new things also relates to un-learning and discarding old things which cannot co-exist.
AC
really....
what I know.....
Your supposition that I am offering you anything other than that which you have yet to recognize and claim is indeed interesting....
Well? how many faeries can dance on the head of a pin? I am sure you and all-canadian can tell us???
Yeesh, I have never heard so much non-nonsensical self aggrandizement in all my life
With such powers of observation and reflection why is it that you have not figured out yet that you can not teach people to un-learn what they think they know?It is strange that the level of understanding of universal law required to build a functioning FE device generally always leads to the understanding that this technology is incompatible with human nature as we know it. It is only after recent events, the U.S. election, that I have come to truly understand this and admit to myself I was wrong. Most people should not have this technology because they would misuse it and destroy everything we hold dear because it is in their nature to do so. As you implied, there is no un-learning human nature nor opening anyone's mind when it remains closed.
Often I have seen a better approach is to show them how to do something so that then they teach themselves something that is in contrast to what they understand.
This also has a higher tendency to "open" there minds.
@Iron
I was raised on a farm and my feet have always been firmly planted on the ground in this respect but common sense won't get us where we want to go Ron. Let's cut to the chase, I have working FE devices and I have for some time which is how I know you and most others don't have a hope in hell of ever stumbling on to how it actually works. The odds are effectively zero because most do not fully understand what they already claim to know and have no new knowledge which allows them to move forward. As well, no, I'm not going to tell anyone how to do this anymore than any of you would for obvious reasons.
The insight which allows me to succeed is as follows, we cannot build something we cannot understand let alone imagine. We build until it is understood that what we are doing is not working then if were lucky we use self-reflection/self-analysis. Why is nothing working, what am I doing wrong, what am I missing and why can I not move forward?. Then we can start to lay blame or we can look at other people who have found success and understand they talk differently, they use different terminology, they think differently and see everything from a completely different perspective than most.
Logic would suggest normal common sense people never do extraordinary things because they think like normal people and not extraordinary people. Logic would suggest if we want to do something different we must first start by thinking differently which leads to new ways to look at everything and new idea's concerning common problems. Thus to say I want to be normal but do extraordinary things is to fail miserably... extraordinary thoughts invoke extraordinary events not mediocrity.
So please spare me your rhetoric implying joe blow down the street wallowing in his own sense of self-imposed ignorance and mediocrity is ever going to nail down this technology. That is non-nonsensical self aggrandizement because the people who we know have succeeded in the past were willing to put aside everything they thought they knew and believed in order to succeed... are you?.
AC
@webby1It is strange that the level of understanding of universal law required to build a functioning FE device generally always leads to the understanding that this technology is incompatible with human nature as we know it. It is only after recent events, the U.S. election, that I have come to truly understand this and admit to myself I was wrong. Most people should not have this technology because they would misuse it and destroy everything we hold dear because it is in their nature to do so. As you implied, there is no un-learning human nature nor opening anyone's mind when it remains closed.
Everything in our life relates to the choices we make, we have the right to make our choice however others also have the right to judge us based on the choices we make.
AC
Oh give us a break, the secret government already has this technology (UFO's, weather control) and is already misusing it, why put the blame on us? It is just more, "blame the victim"I am not blaming you for your nature any more than I blame myself for mine, we own it. I'm just saying I think I understand human nature well enough from what I have observed to know some things are better left unsaid and undone.
The point I was making is that we are being called stupid, yet in 82 pages you two have not posted ANY education material.I make observations, I have thoughts and sometimes I share my thoughts. I started with a question we all ask ourselves at some point...why is this not working for me?. What I found was that thing which was not working was ... me. My attitude, my motivation, the way I approach problems, all those pre-conceived notions I carry with me and a complete lack of clarity. I am not the one to help you find your answers my friend because you know yourself better than me.
Attached is the "concept" which has inspired thousands, indirectly. The majority did not allow themselves the opprotunity to examine the source. Preferring the spoon to mouth, only those parts, or specifically, that part which can be sourced back to "the concept" was prepared for them, and fed to them. If you choose to examine the document and those which relate to it, understand that if you take it at face value expect failure. Do not judge a book, this book, by its cover. See it for what it is, and be accelerated into the unknown.
How this relates to the subject... I expect you will fill me in when you get there.....if you get here.
Oh give us a break, the secret government already has this technology (UFO's, weather control) and is already misusing it, why put the blame on us? It is just more, "blame the victim"
The point I was making is that we are being called stupid, yet in 82 pages you two have not posted ANY education material.
Ron
@IronI am not blaming you for your nature any more than I blame myself for mine, we own it. I'm just saying I think I understand human nature well enough from what I have observed to know some things are better left unsaid and undone.
I make observations, I have thoughts and sometimes I share my thoughts. I started with a question we all ask ourselves at some point...why is this not working for me?. What I found was that thing which was not working was ... me. My attitude, my motivation, the way I approach problems, all those pre-conceived notions I carry with me and a complete lack of clarity. I am not the one to help you find your answers my friend because you know yourself better than me.
AC
Mags,
I mean you no disrespect, please, try and understand that if I was offering what you think you know, I would be wasting both of our time. Instead of considering what I gave you, you cheat yourself and find the same circuit in a simplified format. Good luck finding what I am suggesting with that version of the circuit.
The application as presented in the documents is WINDOW DRESSING! Open your eyes people, open your freakin minds. See what is right in front of you.
I had come from the Matt/Dave scene (120 watts in and 800 watts out --- but I am not telling you) to take part in erfinders game of guess what I thought of? So you can imagine my existing level of frustration when you came on forum to say that you had overunity but where not going to tell us, LOL
Hate to say it(ok,i dont hate to say it :D),but i told you so. ;)
Like i stated 80 pages back--same old- same old.
And in another 82 pages,there will still be a void of educational material--but lots of bathroom heaters.
@Tinman
Have you ever built Tesla's hairpin circuit?, it was the initial device which his therapeutic patents were based on. I cannot think of a better learning tool because it and other variations taught me many things most people cannot seem to wrap their mind around. You see a person could literally send hundreds of watts of power down conductors almost as small as a human hair to power a light bulb and the conductors never get hot...no bathroom heaters. You can grab the conductors and feel only a slight tingle and immerse the lit bulb under water and nothing seems to happen. It is completely counter-intuitive to what most expect and most people have real problems with it.
Do you know what the most surprising part was?, I could show this rather simple device to almost any of the experts I know and not a single one of them believed it initially. All believed it was some kind of trick or hoax and it was only after I explained the working principal that they believed it was real. Even more strange was that nobody and I do mean nobody clued into the most important aspect of the demonstration right in front of them. The very small conductors were carrying real power with almost no dissipation of energy which is about as close to a super conductor as we are most likely to find. The beginning of a truly lossless system only requiring the slightest of impetus to push it over into the realm of a free energy generator.
Did you learn something?.
AC
Yes
The temperature of my coffee dropped .31*C while reading your post.
Brad
Wrong again it's not the temperature, it's the IQ. Ask your dog for an appointment, you need exercise.
Ah yes[/size]A thread full of hi IQ's--but nothing to show,other than many words.
A thread full of hi IQ's--but nothing to show,other than many words.That's low blow!
“The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design.”
All you want is economic success and for that Hayek (an economist) said:
First, Ron in the name of dire state of humanity you played the obscurantism card and when presented with a real schematic you perform canucks yodeling? Taking a pause from learning maybe?
QuoteThe same schematic was proposed as basis of discussions related to the topic of the thread you opened Brad, and all you have say is this?That's low blow!
So now you that have Tesla's design nevertheless, run for the bank loan Brad!
You really are clueless.....You have no idea what Tesla was doing, what he left behind in this and other documents, nor its relation to the subject matter.... Drown in your ignorance.
Do you stand by what you say,in that you believe there is no rectifier in the below schematic/device ?
This isn't a pissing contest. I have no interest in your mediocre viewpoint. I am not interested in any reference you will give to the commutator, I am not interested in any reference you make to the polarity of the supply. I have no interest in your hollow questions, no interest in your childish challenges, I have no interest in your close minded perspective, I do not have the time nor patience to deal with your self imposed state of stupidity. You are no authority, you have nothing to say that I want to hear on the subject of Tesla.
That being said, show the community whatever you wish. Those who pay attention to what you disclose, those who believe you, lap up your vomit....can and will choke on it....one can hope.
We need to understand what a generator is, nothing more nothing less. What we want we already have. The moment we truly comprehend the mechanism, we will see how stupid we were.
You spend entirely too much time in the bathroom.....
I know exactly what I am looking at
and it ain't a plug for my own work
....fascinating how you attempt to reduce this man's legacy the level of your abomination....
The tinman rotary transformer equates to rubbish, shit, a pipe dream, a sham, a low budget production ripe for roasting in a blazing fire.
Now that we have been informed of what you think Tesla was presenting, we will let it stew
....and in time it will be revealed, what he really left, it damn sure wasn't that piece of shit you try to pawn off as a perl.
I don't understand all the hoop-la, this machine just takes the spike of the collapsing field and magnifies it.
Tesla still uses a source to drive it.
He just uses his input to change the output (and then directs it back to the input) , and the output isn't strong enough to be used as the input , close but no cigar.
It is simply very efficient.
artv
At Mags, You must have posted at the same time as me,..Tito is right.
At Mags, You must have posted at the same time as me,..Tito is right.
Guys, it is sometimes good to observer what other users are trying to say. lancaiv has posted very useful informations.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments?CC=US&NR=5130608A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=19920714&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
If you carefully read those patents you will find it is EXACT confirmation and replication of Tesla method of conversion. A capacitor and an inductance of the WHOLE circuit if MATCHED to load will allow to power load with very sharp pulses (looks like radiant energy described by Bedini, right?) with much higher voltage then normally allowed for load.
If that was Tesla first step then we are discussing here then next step without knowing about first one - very hard to understand then...
Another one : https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=WO&NR=2012065719A2&KC=A2&FT=D&ND=3&date=20120524&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP#
That is correct.
Even Tesla states in the patent ,that it is just a rotary transformer/converter.
There are those here that would have you believe that it is some sort of wonder machine,that only they can decipher.
Tesla was a great man,and bought forth great inventions,but there is not one free energy device amongst them. There are some(one in particular)that would have you believe otherwise,but the very same people(person) will deliver nothing to back up there claims.
This is how Tesla's true works get all distorted into something they are not.
The man (Tesla) should be remembered for what he did have,and what he gave the world,and not what the fairy penguins think his work was.
A perfect mis-representation of Tesla's work took place here a few pages back--Quote:--look,no rectifier. These are the ones to watch out for,as even with Tesla's drawing/schematic before them,they have no idea what there looking at.
No rectifier my ass.
Brad
Ok explain this one then:
Really look at this one. Where is the input?
Explain how this one works in detail. Lets see if you really understood Tesla...
First up,you should know that Tesla had many idea's -which he use to draw on paper.
But that dose not mean the device was ever built and tested.
So lets see how well !you! know Tesla and his work's,and post an actual photo of this device completed,and prove it was not just another of his idea's drawn down on paper.
If you cant do that,then find a replication of the device,and see if the replicator obtained any result's from said device.
I once drew a dragon on paper.
Brad
Obviously you have no idea how Tesla designed and optimized his ideas. He would design, build and optimize his ideas right in his head. That is how he worked and to his staffs amazement his final designs given to his staff actually worked with out testing previously.
This is not some pie in the sky idea he had. It was designed specifically to HARNESS the voltage potentials above us. This was his new Niagara Falls and the government and the ones who control this government shut him down. It was never finished because there was no interest in improving mans life in general. They wanted a way to improve their lives.
You mean to tell me you can not use a voltage potential difference like 20k volts to generate power with? How daft are you?
Obviously you have no idea how Tesla designed and optimized his ideas. He would design, build and optimize his ideas right in his head. That is how he worked and to his staffs amazement his final designs given to his staff actually worked with out testing previously.
This is not some pie in the sky idea he had. It was designed specifically to HARNESS the voltage potentials above us. This was his new Niagara Falls and the government and the ones who control this government shut him down. It was never finished because there was no interest in improving mans life in general. They wanted a way to improve their lives.
You mean to tell me you can not use a voltage potential difference like 20k volts to generate power with? How daft are you?
You are the one looking for proof. Do it yourself because no matter what I or other say you still wont believe in that proof. Even if I did a video and showed pictures of my own experiments you wouldn't believe it anyways. So do it for yourself or shut the yap and let others work through this.
All of the information is there.
Educate yourself by doing the research I have done over the past decade and do the experiments he shows us. Walk in his shoes and do like he did. Otherwise you are no better then what you say about us. You say you want proof. The only proof you would really not be in doubt over is to do it yourself. That is what I did and and that is what I am doing.
I offer to others information and some insight into who Tesla was.
He was a genius and a humanitarian and that drives you crazy doesn't it.
We owe our whole way of life to this man who lived to improve mans ability to live without toil. You on the other hand live to troll the hell out of the man without knowing one thing about him and his Technology or his methods and experiments along his path to discovering our ability to live without paying someone for our energy.
That was Tesla's dream and goal. He told us his was the Future and that future is now. We have an unprecedented access to information and some choose to block that access without putting up one shred of evidence that it doesn't work.
We all know how coils work.
We all know about energy as it moves through a coil. We all know how a self terminated coil with a cap works.
Now logically look at the device again and Tell me where the input is...
And no it wasn't just a Transmitter. That is what he said to Morgan to get him to finance the whole thing. It can transmit intelligence via spark gap modulation but it's real aim is to harness the very wheel work that is grinding all around us. Just like in Niagara Falls he harnessed the Falls, in this aspect he harnesses the potential differences that are between the elevated Terminal and ground. Both aspects are the same.
Again where is the input to the tower?
Again where is the input to the tower?
From the 1,119,732 patent:
"the transmitting circuit, in its general features, is identical with that described and claimed in my original Patents Nos. 645,576 and 649,621"
"The primary C may be excited in any desired manner, from a suitable source of currents G, which may be an alternator or condenser"
A full read of this patent, the two patents he referenced (645,576 and 649,621), and the additional patents referenced in those patents, will further clarify "the input" to the tower.
PW
Listen Don't read the patent. Look at the device. See what it is doing. Follow you own electrical laws. Show the input. Tesla never would have left that out, ever. Look at it and tell me that after you short the spark gap that it would not oscillate in tune with the self terminated coil and cap. The input is not shown because it has no input. Stop believing the text and look at the device. Text can be changed but the drawing will never change.
Go outside and get two long wires and a dmm. Hang a plate in the air and connects the dmm between the plate wire and a ground wire. There is potential there between the two. If used as an oscillator with voltage being tapped at the capacitor this thing would ring. The spark gap is to both separate and create an impulse to ground. This will create a huge pressure in the Cap G. That shorts out to a Tesla system to transform it into real working current via the Cap/transformer resonant system and again to ground. Pretty simple.
Good to hear from you PW
Hope all is well.
Brad
If it's pretty simple,why has no one done it ?.
The voltage potential exist,and gains in potential as you gain in altitude--but there is next to no current,and this has been proven.
Now,tap into a lightning bolt,and then you have some power.
PW just explained where the P/input is,and it is also stated as so in the patent.
All of Tesla's devices had a power input,that was supplied by generators or batteries.
Brad
Ok that is good. Your getting there...
Now what happens if you excite by impulse the capacitance on the top? Lightning?
Also Like I said get away from the text it was altered by guys like you attempting to bury this.
By the way what is lightning? Just humor me.
So enjoy the colored spots!
Listen I'm not here to make money. I'm not selling a damn thing but what is laid out before ye.
I would never take this discovery and claim it as my own to parse out to the ones I thought were deserving of it. Tesla gave this to ALL of us. Others like you, instead of learning and experimenting on this instead bash and bible thump your way through this. Not thinking outside of the box and only sticking to the written word to figure things out. This is basically our own (Societies) fault. We have stopped teaching critical thinking and instead just believe what they tell us. Instead of looking at something as it is, you must be led down the primrose path to our own destruction.
Tesla could not come right out and discuss this. He tried that and was buried because of it. So what does a genius do when others are using money to stand in the way? You leak it out in plain sight. Patent after patent he is showing us the real method to harness the natural flows around us. Look at the diagram and see what it truly is. It is an oscillator that runs off of the potential between the earth and the atmosphere. His new Niagara Falls. This one aspect is the source to extract energy from the environment that is already flowing all around us. He actually enhances the flow from the highly charged ionosphere down to his tower and into the ground with an oscillator built like a lawn sprinkler. This thing will flutter away so fast that he could add all of it up and disruptively discharge it into a load transformer and to the ground from one terminal of the cap.
The tower is the input no matter what you say.
And you admitted that already. The +20Kv and zero volt ground is the potential difference and the spark gap is the control mechanism. The coil/cap is a take off point that can be discharged into the ground to pull in extra "electrons" in a ground loop, it actually borrows them and feeds them back after going into the ground.
Oh by the way care to show me the pictures of an "electron" as proof? Still waiting on that one. Kinda ridiculous if you ask me..
A long while ago I was discovering like many of you the concept of stereograms. One example: https://stereogramsworld.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/stereogram43.jpg
Many remember getting help for the first time and the help was “how to look” at the picture, not “what to see”. That last part was ensured by design once one could quit his usual way of looking and allowed himself to the new perspective.
Picture from 568,179 delivers the same. Tesla knew his position was against the scientific community and embedded his research in his patents.
Brad, I am afraid your attitude put you into such situation you'll find hard to ask for help. So enjoy the colored spots!
Just for giggles,
http://amasci.com/freenrg/arrhenus.html
This is a great diatribe on the problem. And I will back out of this conversation. I'm sorry for derailing this for so long.
As for proof well it's slowly coming.
Feel free to join junior in my 1 watt challenge ;D
" The tower is the input no matter what you say."
Tinman
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The tower is a receiver, not the source.
Thank you but I have another personal challenge.
Was messing around with the Igniter circuit on sim just to try some things.
When we connect the batt, large inductance and cap in series, there is an initial oscillation. So the beginning of that oscillation, current moves forward through the inductor to the cap. This generally peaks well above input voltage. So we could think that when the cap peaks, that is when we hit the switch and dump the cap into the primary, and cycle from there. So probably not much there for the pickins. But then as I played, I noticed something that may be very different.....
When we initially connect the source, the oscillation begins. power out from source, through inductor and into cap, so energy used from the source is available in the cap at + peak. But what if we let the oscillation cycle go on before we take from the cap. What if we let the initial oscillation cycle go until we have a neg peak in the cap before we discharge? :o The cap will have almost as much neg peak as was the first pos peak, but during the neg cycle, the second half of the initial oscillation cycle sent energy back to the source. So in this case, did we get more out than in? ;) Think on it..
Mags
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=36&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880712&CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=36&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19880712&CC=US&NR=4757419A&KC=A#)
To the proposed scrutiny of the picture from patent 568,179 you have no opinion that's perfectly clear again. Instead you use Tesla's tower as a hook to derail the focus of everyone towards your 1w BS challenge. I could think that you have the attention span of a toddler, but I rather say your ego is desperate for the spot light. Go wind something, show it on youtube and answer the fans' questions as a method of quantifying the number of followers.
Your ego is grotesque, please keep it in leash and spare us of meaningless brain farts. If there is nothing to be said of any value, please have decency to let this thread die gracefully.
To me with great discomfort, you represent the typology which gave reason to Sartre to forcefully admit in writing “The story of a life, whichever it may be, is the story of a failure.”
Brad, despite your declared wish to work towards increasing Lenz effects, you just made it perfectly clear that you don't really have an interest in Lenz at all.
Not sure that is the same as I explained.
This is a quote from the pat you have shown....
"Thus a magnetic pulse can be created via the inductor, while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."
1 This means it it not the same as I have said, "while substantially reducing the charge current for the capacitor and eliminating a voltage pulse across the capacitor opposite in polarity to that of the charged state of the capacitor for producing the magnetic pulse."
2 In your case, the intention is to produce a magnetic pulse, of which if the pulse is absorbed by its intended target, the oscillation will be reduced quickly, as the target is the load. So we lose to the load before we did anything about it.
In my case we have to count on the inductor to be free of any magnetic drains and the cap going full peak in the first phase of the initial wave and then letting the cycle go full reversal before taking from the cap. No diodes so far, just a controlled switching at the neg peak.
If the inductor and cap are very good quality and low ohm loss, the second half of the initial wave cycle will be sending energy back to the source until neg peak.
If we have little loss in doing so, MOST of what was in the cap when dumped to load should be more than what was taken in total from the source within the full 270deg cycle.
This is just a one shot experiment at this time. Thinking on a micro controller to govern the operation to best efficiency, monitoring for neg peaks, etc.
Dunno yet but it seems plausible.
Mags
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The tower was a receiver of the energy of abrupt, spark caused, repeated collapsing of space at high voltage and high frequency.....ie, highly frequent (high frequency), impulses, high frequency discharges, as high voltage spikes, which is what you fail to exploit.
We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all. We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it. Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take. The vision was the self acting machine. An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.
Regards
Not sure who you refer when you say "we have read....",
We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all.
To each his own....
I suppose it would to you.....good luck with that.
I said no, and since it wasn't clear the first time.....No....there I said it again. No....I am not making up my own name for it. That to which I refer already has a name.
Nope.... I am not talking about Chi, Prana, Aether, or Orgone.
My focus is on motor-generators.....the aforenamed, and your "background field" have nothing to do with what I am sharing.
on second thought, it just occurred to me, I'm slow.... came to me in a blinding flash, I got nothing, but you knew that.
you've been in the game a few decades, we should be looking to you for guidance. Must suck not having it after all that time.... I am one decade in, and am doing everything I can to ensure I do not find myself in your position.
I ask people to try and separate themselves from whatever it is that is limiting their vision, and this so that we may take a step towards the future....together. This no longer applies to you as you have me figured out.... You recognize that I have nothing, and I am onto nothing.
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I never said you had nothing. What I said was in 87 pages you have presented nothing.
First, Ron in the name of dire state of humanity you played the obscurantism card and when presented with a real schematic you perform canucks yodeling? Taking a pause from learning maybe?
You have been informed that something new has been presented:
Maybe at the time you were bantering in the locker room whit Matt (??who doesn't know who Matt is??) getting ready for soap games in the shower room… But that's OK, you know that I am just joshing with you, I know kibitzing is a hard task especially when all day is dedicated counting personal balls (or marbles if you prefer).
Keep waiting and meanwhile you may have a nap if you feel like, I'll cover for you.
Maybe at the time you were bantering in the locker room whit Matt (??who doesn't know who Matt is??) getting ready for soap games in the shower room… But that's OK, you know that I am just joshing with you, I know kibitzing is a hard task especially when all day is dedicated counting personal balls (or marbles if you prefer).
Keep waiting and meanwhile you may have a nap if you feel like, I'll cover for you.
You have been informed that something new has been presented:
I never said you had nothing. What I said was in 87 pages you have presented nothing.
Trouble with your first language? Perhaps a remedial English course would be of help to you?
Waiting...........................................................
Ron
you've been in the game a few decades, we should be looking to you for guidance. Must suck not having it after all that time.... I am one decade in, and am doing everything I can to ensure I do not find myself in your position.
To be serious for a moment I may have decades on you but I have only been on youtube since 2006, one decade. I have 307 subscribers and 212,103 views --- for a know nothing country boy I am flabbergasted. I have had a verified COP 2.3.
So I am quite comfortable with myself, I am not trying to prove anything. I am still here, in good health, nearly all the marbles I started with and good family, good friends --- is there something else in life?
It's ok to have cheerleaders, if you're into cheerleaders.
All this time you have put in in motor generator research, and you have yet to come across any of the phenomena I demonstrate.
It's crystal clear now what your motivation is.
My videos aren't monetized, never have been and I don't have any immediate plans to do so in the future, I cannot say the same for you. If I want to generate an income from this stuff, I will show what you never will, and ask for assistance via the proper channels.
My youtube numbers reflect that I am not trying to bullshit anyone, they reflect that for me, it's not about showmanship, or appealing to and or identifying with the mob.
I am not here to entertain anyone.
I am not here to give people something to do.
I am not here to prove anything to anyone.
I am not here to give people what they want, or what they think they want.
What I want to give, I give, my way.
Folk obsess over Lenz, I empathize with them, I offered a suggestion, presented it in the form of a machine which could assist them in understanding what Lenz really is, and what we must learn to do with it. It was ignored, because there wasn't enough meat on the bone. People need details they can stew and chew on. I informed them that it is not my task to provide them with the details they require. I then suggested that they attempt to fill in the blanks themselves, not as a guessing game, but as a personal challenge
There are so many people trying to tell us what to do, and so few trying to assist us in remembering what we can do for ourselves, assuming we are prepared to take responsibility for our lack of understanding.
I have mentioned that from my perspective, we are dealing with two specific energy storage mechanism, made suggestions regarding specific geometric relations that these storage mechanisms have within our designs. I suggested that here is where we must focus more attention.....ignored.
There was a time when I felt you were on the path, during this period, I felt you had what it takes to be out in the front leading the charge....I know better now.
Hi Brad,
Any chance of more info on the RT3?
That device has me so intrigued
Penno
You can call me riddler if it suits you....I will continue to call you blind not because it suits me, rather..it is a reflection of reality.
You think you know, and don't, your latest brain fart with the bucking fields in that HHO contraption.....hilarious. That Tesla circuit I mentioned, the one you tell us we aren't authorized to speculate on....if you knew what could be done with it, you wouldn't be preparing to entertain the masses with yet another dead end. You (not you specifically, you are years away from recognizing truth) would give credit where it's due, you would acknowledge those who knew, see "the" example, (the Tesla circuit) and its influence on them.
Reference to what? No specifics were addressed or pointed out, I made a statement, specifically, I called your attempt hilarious.
I have no interest in your little thoughtless challenges brad. Information is the name of the game, and we are all sitting on a mountain of free info, that being said, if I didn't know, how would you truly know I didn't. What caught my eye was your reference to bucking fields..... I was intrigued by how little thought you invested in your hypothesis before you presented it to your fans, you know, those folk who praise you prematurely, or for no good reason. It seems that today the mission is to perpetuate ignorance. Some say I am at the forefront of that movement. Fuck those folk.
Shorting one of the windings in a transformer results in the inductance dropping in the other winding..... I recall saying this before.....I recall demonstrating this, yes, it was in a useless presentation I made, and offered the community as food for thought. The dropping of inductance means or at the very least suggests, that more of the available energy is delivered to the load, and less energy is "stored" in the systems (the coil) opposition to change mechanism. You quite literally decrease the level of "negative" influence that Lenz's law has on the operating circuit. That and not this bucking brainfart is square one. This isn't to say that the field developed in the secondary does not augment the primary, however, when we consider the the impedance of the secondary, and add to this the insanely high DC resistance of the secondary in question (cough MOT), one voices the question, in tears, WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS GUY GOING ON ABOUT! (note there is no question mark....)
Not intersted in your cheesy, comparison.....if for no other reason, you don't see what one in your position must see by now.....sad sad sad.
If you fail, you failed. If you beat the limit, woppty fucking dooo...., sun shines on a dogs ass too, it's still a brainfart.
LOL....you really don't get it, what a waste..
What does hho have to do with the lenzless gen .... not a question.... I could give a damn if anyone gets what I am saying.... Tesla free energy device.... Who said anything about a Tesla free energy device.....fucking idiot......
due try and stay on topic....
Barbosi...If you have an itch to answer, do it with proper grammar and stay on topic
due try and stay on topic....
You caught that....congratulations.
Can either of you demonstrate a Low inductance, Low resistance air core generator that accelerates when loaded? Should be a rather simple task for dudes of your skill level.
I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.
BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys,
I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
You say you can do it, show it or shut the fuck up.
you are a fucking moron
I am not here to answer your dumb ass questions, nor receive lessons from you.
A lame video like mine is all I require.
Speaking for myself, if you have a problem with me or my methods, then BAN ME, don't stop there, delete the entire fucking account! I share what I want, how I want! You don't like it, that's your damn problem.
Fuck brad, and ron. You pat them on the ass like they are the only ones working. Sharing every piece of shit you come up with, and copy pasting one another is not paving a path to progress, it's a display of every piece of shit you come up with, and copy pasting said shit.
I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.
BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
ADMIN DELETE MY ACCOUNT!
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so sometimes I just point
>searching for free energy and discussing free energy
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Free Energy for free independant people<
that is my intent and why I am here.
respectfully
Chet
Free Energy | searching for free energy and discussing free energy
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"I think they just abandoned the Lenz ship. They figured it all out and now they just smell the roses.
There is a large bowel movement now with HHO production and they try to blame Faraday for their next failure.
BTW, isn't Lenz a consequence of Faraday law?
Anyway drill away boys, I leave this comment as a record for the future: more wasted materials in the name of wanna be gurus.
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Here Stefan runs a forum where people share ideas and work together to investigate energy options for the future.
a hopefully better future.
These fellows Brad and Ron are in line with the theme of this forum, their efforts should not be diminished from a chair infront of a computor screen that does nothing but type and throw popcorn while hoping and praying for failure.
Throwing popcorn/[poop] and hoping for failure is a childs game , getting out the tools and putting your hand in your own pocket for materials to build.... and sharing your research for the benefit of all ...
Thats what we do at Stefan's Place
the world needs more of this and less of the other....
You really got to learn to mind your own fucking business.....
Don't give me quotes from your arm cardio manual.
I don't eat vegetables, I eat trolls without listening to their cheese arguments.
Fuck off....
FUCK OFF!
See? there you go again --- you said you were?
Just one contradiction after another.
Ron
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I think that any here have got too much freetime and were bad educated by his grand-/parents and teachers !
What might this young girl think about any "adult" members here,waiting for help ?!
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Chance to receive help : 0-100% ? Chance to become killed : 100-0% ?
Think about the possibility that your locality could enter in (civil)war situation and that this little child will be your son or daughter !
Say never no !
Irrespective of how many ways there are, or how many methods there are, the one which matters most is never considered.
The speed of motors without sophisticated control are generally governed by the input voltage. It is from this standpoint that I make my suggestion, specifically, we can learn to use the EMF that the motor itself is generating to augment the applied EMF. The two already have a more or less 180° relation, here the applied dominates the induced, and we are left with a differential. Try and see the machine from the perspective of the force operating within it. Allow it to dictate the necessary steps for inverting the induced so that it aids the applied. I have shown in a rather vague presentation that this is not theory, it is a reality.
Question,
How many ways can you cause a speed up of a motor by increasing the current instead of the voltage?
I know of one way using the same drive coil but are there more ways?
Irrespective of how many ways there are, or how many methods there are, the one which matters most is never considered.
The speed of motors without sophisticated control are generally governed by the input voltage. It is from this standpoint that I make my suggestion, specifically, we can learn to use the EMF that the motor itself is generating to augment the applied EMF. The two already have a more or less 180° relation, here the applied dominates the induced, and we are left with a differential. Try and see the machine from the perspective of the force operating within it. Allow it to dictate the necessary steps for inverting the induced so that it aids the applied. I have shown in a rather vague presentation that this is not theory, it is a reality.
This is the style of motor I used last night to double check things.
I connected the coils for one phase in series to increase the voltage,, but other than that when you hook the cap and source up and spin the rotor there is almost no force needed to spin,,
F U C K O F F
.my days here are numbered.....I hope.
Steve, I believe that the background field is resonant at 333000 Hz and this is what powers all matter and energy forms on earth.
In patent number 588,179 we see the two short antennas to bring in the back ground field. Can you better describe what you are seeing in your work that is so different?
Thanks, Ron
F U C K O F F
Is this pro/contra your believing ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931118&CC=DE&NR=4215818A1&KC=A1#)
Matter is chemically -elementary- different,Eigen-Frequency,why only one -333000 Hz- fixed frequency "powered" ?
What is your meaning here: "powered" related ?
especially "( all matter and )energy is powered"
That is an ambiguous answer, what exactly do you mean?
F U C K O F F
No, I was referring to a previous post on this subject.
Unfortunately,Steve with his two syllable vocabulary, is unable to comprehend this material.
Ron
http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html (http://www.resonantfractals.org/index.html)
;D
The raven seized a piece of cheese and carried his spoils up to his perch high in a tree. A fox came up and walked in circles around the raven, planning a trick. 'What is this?' cried the fox. 'O raven, the elegant proportions of your body are remarkable, and you have a complexion that is worthy of the king of the birds! If only you had a voice to match, then you would be first among the fowl!' The fox said these things to trick the raven and the raven fell for it: he let out a great squawk and dropped his cheese. By thus showing off his voice, the raven let go of his spoils. The fox then grabbed the cheese and said, 'O raven, you do have a voice, but no brains to go with it!'
Well I tried to get on side with you, everything from praise to flattery to outright insult, but you remain steadfast in your ignorance.
It is an old Aesop fable: THE FOX AND THE RAVEN
Your foxy try went bad and all you ave to say is?
I'd say he's steadfast in wisdom.
My wishes for you Ron, are to live! Live with it! Long live with it!
Careful......I have made no claims....I don't care about free energy, overunity, nor a Lenzless generator.
I want what's there. What's there is all there is, we couple with it, but prohibit it from reaching a state of equilibrium. Laws we have made to govern ourselves and one another prohibit us from even considering the relationship between the two recognized forms of energy storage, a relationship that we quite literally call into existence. Our collective self imposed ignorance is amazing. We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all. We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it. Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take. The vision was the self acting machine. An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.
So keep looking at your simulators, and simplified circuits. Keep pouring time and energy into things which will not yield the desired fruit. Keep limiting yourselves to the laws which were given to us for the expressed purpose of suppressing ones creativity.
Regards
Careful......I have made no claims....I don't care about free energy, overunity, nor a Lenzless generator.
I want what's there. What's there is all there is, we couple with it, but prohibit it from reaching a state of equilibrium. Laws we have made to govern ourselves and one another prohibit us from even considering the relationship between the two recognized forms of energy storage, a relationship that we quite literally call into existence. Our collective self imposed ignorance is amazing. We have lost sight of our intimate connection with the medium which wets all. We fail to recognize that part or portion of that which has been referred to as the the terrestrial envelope, and how it is being routed into our apparatus, with the aim, unbeknownst to us, of enlivening it. Likened to the breath our relation with the environment forces us to take. The vision was the self acting machine. An apparatus which receives that which it requires to operate from its intimate association with its environment.
So keep looking at your simulators, and simplified circuits. Keep pouring time and energy into things which will not yield the desired fruit. Keep limiting yourselves to the laws which were given to us for the expressed purpose of suppressing ones creativity.
Regards
Hello everybody,
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I am doing further tests as I write and I'll let you know if there is any progress.
Thanks again, esp. to you Ron, hope you read this.
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[/font]Hi Dieter,Here is my build of your first version:The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mmThe induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pkIn the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.be)Ron[/font]
Hello every one :)
In here I share with you a generator that in my opinion could go around Lenz's law and then you know what happens next ;)
I hope you find it interesting and if anyone builds a similar device, please share your results :) You can see this effect in the video which can be found in the description box.
Here you can see the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTsOxzVTE8&list=UUXEFFysykQp53qAVElhrAgg
Best Regards
the video is not available
where I can find this video
thanks
Sam
I ask the Administrator to intervene.
Unfounded allegations of fraud are unacceptable.
But every month a newcomer shows up insisting some video they saw must be the "REAL THING".
You can modelize your device with the software FEMM, it is 2D but it is very acurate.https://www.autodesk.com/autodesk-university/de/node/112479
hi all ! I have interesting news . I was able to detect effect Lenz reversal . The idea that I posted a few years ago turned out to be working :) . Of course, there is a possibility of inaccuracies in measurements and incorrect interpretation of the processes in this strange device. But let's get to the test .
The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_15 ) shows a device having an air coil . A plate made of transformer steel is installed on the coil . A stator magnet is mounted against the coil. The rotor magnet acts on the steel plate with the opposite pole from the stator magnet.
With the same movements of the rotor magnet, the electric current in the coil changes to the opposite , depending on whether there is a stator magnet or not . Since the direction of the current in the coil is inextricably linked with the location of the poles of this coil , when the current changes to the opposite, the magnetic field of the coil (Lenz) begins to contribute to the movement of the rotor magnet.
This phenomenon suggests that we are dealing with the manifestation of free energy.
The figure ( Reverse_Lenz_16 ) shows the device described above . I will try to add more information later.
I hope this test will attract the attention of researchers who will repeat it and go further than I could.
Best regards
Boris