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forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #390 on: September 08, 2016, 08:42:24 AM »
Yes,second example is good. Alternatively you can use a low Rds mosfet and put a single current kick into primary and short it with mosfet , then the inductance and capacitance of primary will play together and produce nice almost not diminishing ring. Let say you do this at the rate of 50Hz, the actual oscillations are 1Mhz and the secondary load with 1% of "Lenz  problem".
That's how T.K was able to get high output IMHO. So in fact the first very simple schematic was correct.
The alternatively you can use disruptive discharge (even with a high Q coil to get a higher rise) from low current high voltage aka Akula . 24V-> 20kV Katcher into a no Lenz problem output. The simplest low Lenz output is very very low inductance coil . And so on.... The essence is simple induction laws as a base.3 laws.Faraday-Ampere-Lenz.

forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #391 on: September 08, 2016, 08:46:08 AM »
Once Lenz problem is out, we can use resonance to avoid 1:1 relationship of primary to secondary energy. but resonance is nto necessary.


forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #392 on: September 08, 2016, 08:50:53 AM »
You see, the secondary output is not taken from primary input. Likewise the generator output is not made by mechanical energy.
As example take two strong men pulling the same rope - if they are of the same power or one is slightly stronger and they are pulling the rope each one on his own direction then the overall image is they are very weak - because there is very weak action on rope ;-) The corect method of measuring the effect is to look at rope closely.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #393 on: September 09, 2016, 12:33:42 AM »
I ran my example on sim.  I was wrong.

When the first secondary is induced during the on pulse, when the cap is empty, the current in the primary is highest. And as the cap fills, the secondaries affect on the primary lessens and the primary current is reduced to a level of seeing no secondary load. Then when the input is cut, the field left in the core is not max as I had imagined, so the collapse induction on the second secondary does not have enough to fill the second cap to the level of the first cap. :(

So the next step to test this is to eliminate the empty cap situation and have the circuit run to try and keep the 2 caps full while using the caps charge to run a load. This will help to keep the  fields in the core more equalized for each phase of operation. lol I think.  Ill post on it when I get to it


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forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #394 on: September 09, 2016, 08:23:52 AM »

FatBird

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #395 on: September 09, 2016, 04:57:38 PM »
3 phase motors have 3 field coils.
So we don't see what your point is.
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forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #396 on: September 09, 2016, 08:11:32 PM »
Erfinder


Yes.Trinity.But the pattern is repeated almost from 1831. There is one additional topic. http://www.richlandsource.com/area_history/mansfield-s-d-m-cook-and-his-enduring-energy/article_fbac1344-779e-11e3-8a2f-10604b9f7e7e.html


He was not crazy at all just limited in resources.He could fly in other times...

i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #397 on: September 10, 2016, 04:38:33 PM »


  Do you have any idea why three coils is significant?  Why two will never do?

Regards


How are they connected? in series? parallel? common core?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #398 on: September 10, 2016, 10:09:19 PM »

My vague questions and or suggestions mean nothing when viewed from the collectively agreed upon perspective.
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Think about your own question, what motivated you asking exactly what you asked.  I don't build machines with core material, I have read, and have no reason to disagree with it, that Nature doesn't fill its holes.


Regards


Ah yes but the statement, "do you have any idea why three coils is (sic) significant?" can be construed as a, "collectively agreed upon perspective" statement, requiring a collectively agreed upon answer.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #399 on: September 10, 2016, 11:25:51 PM »

ok....now what....



An answer that a person with my limited intellect can understand... from a builders perspective.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #400 on: September 11, 2016, 11:57:26 AM »
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In your motors (which don't exist, soon to become motor-generators when one experiences the device and the forces operating within it as the force operating within it), there are two instances during the cycle which are of key importance to us.  The point of maximum induced potential, and the zero crossing.  Why are these two important and what relation do they have to the necessity of three coils?
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Perhaps the third coil gives a resultant output from

1. a pulse given to one coil at its greatest induced voltage potential.?
2. a pulse to the other coil at its greatest induced current potential.?
Or
3. A combination of pulses in each coil timed at each high induced voltage / current potentials?
4. None of the above !
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forest

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #401 on: September 11, 2016, 09:06:59 PM »
The generator is running on free electricity. The input energy is only used to drain you wallet ;-)

gyulasun

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #402 on: September 12, 2016, 04:26:02 PM »

Hello forest,

You wrote on Trinity in your Reply 464 to Erfinder, meaning you do agree that 3 coils are neccessary.
Then Erfinder  asked you this:
 

  Do you have any idea why three coils is significant?  Why two will never do?


Would you mind answering his question, please?  I am also interested to learn.

Thanks, Gyula

gyulasun

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #403 on: September 13, 2016, 11:59:29 PM »
Hi erfinder,

I am not there yet, I have not gone deeply into this. This is why I asked forest but either he knows it but egoism defeats him or he does not. And the question also arises as to what he thinks why 3 coils are needed it may not cover what's your take on this...  I do think what you would say would come from tests.

You shared several pointers in this thread what you think, one can find them when one wades through, surely in the quotes below there may be either directly or remotely relevant ones to the 3 coil question and surely there has to be missing relevant quotes too:

"the coils are operated at different times, simultaneous-sequential reactions in the remaining two, non excited, non closed circuit coils, do not allow one to operate in accordance with the law for the purpose of using the law to one's advantage"  and

" I identified three induction processes, out of these three, there are multiple distinct instances when current is induced."  then 
"Technically (my dogma) there is no such thing as a motor, the device we treat as such is and will always be a generator, one which we bias with DC when the fields within the device are quadrature.  We inject an impulse directly into the wave of the generator, when the amplitude of the generated wave is peaked.  The direction of our impulse is almost exactly (might as well be exact) 180° to that of the induced."  and

"we must give the induced a path through the inducer, to a limited degree, this is exactly what we are doing in motors.  Our problem is that we have yet to consider the dual nature of that which we claim to understand via the laws.  When we finally comprehend its nature, from its perspective, we recognize that we are doing everything right, but doing so in systems with piss poor self reference."

"In your motors (which don't exist, soon to become motor-generators when one experiences the device and the forces operating within it as the force operating within it), there are two instances during the cycle which are of key importance to us.  The point of maximum induced potential, and the zero crossing.  Why are these two important and what relation do they have to the necessity of three coils?"

"Point of maximum induced potential equates to L. Zero crossing equates to C.
Inductance and capacitance are not just a function of frequency, nor are they restricted to cross area as cross section is associated with proximity or lack thereof, nor is it restricted to the available surface area offered by the material.  L and C are, in addition to the aforenamed, a function of geometry, locked in space and time to a very specific geometric locations. Parallel LC resonance is to L what series LC resonance is to C.  Series and parallel resonance are higher forms of L and C."  and

"On a side note, I am investigating how energy is transferred between L and C, both are source in turn, both are sink in turn, but at resonance something else takes place. The impedance = 0 condition opens the system up so as to allow energy to move in both directions simultaneously, assuming the means for exciting such is available.  The prerequisite, resonance must be maintained over a wide band, I call this condition "Infinite Harmonic Resonant Self Oscillation", I mentioned that already......  The key to accomplishing this is understanding what Lenz really is doing in your system and controlling it (Lenz, not running away from it or cutting it out like cancer) through the manipulation of reactive cross section at key instances....sounds complicated but can be broken down into changing the impedance of the circuit, impedance here being a direct reference to CEMF, how, where and when, and which direction it is induced."  and

"The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer.  .. No other relation yields the desired result. So many got it right in the past, but their published works make no sense to the classically trained, these souls are written off, as idiots, in spite of their many of years of experience and commitment to the status quo, in their respective field of science."

"Setup x number of beat generators, x being equal to the number of envelopes which are to be voided, all are voided save one (voidance isn't actually what I am aiming at here, however, I use the term in place of that which I have come to recognize as fact as it's far simpler to just say void as the term applies to the removed (the envelopes), than to expound on means and or method by which the phase angle of the removed envelopes has changed to, and more importantly how this set of circumstances is maintained.
The relation of the added beats is such that it causes the isolated envelope to transition from a standing to traveling wave.  Now you have a wave packet which bounces between impedances, a less than ideal set of circumstances (a situation which demands one's attention prior to trying to apply this for practical use) for the packet of energy you have worked hard at isolating and mobilizing. This is a fruit of my labor, the ideal inducer."

"To truly neutralize the effect that Lenz has on your system you simply need to comprehend what he's saying.  I suggested that beat generation is the solution, it says it all, when you recognize what's being said, when you comprehend what's being implied."

And one full post is also worth referred to:  http://overunity.com/15307/lenz-free-generator/msg490502/#msg490502 

However, these quotes cannot be fully understood without doing correct tests.

And actually you have not shared your setup on this, maybe you never will. The latter case would be most unfortunate.
 
Greetings
Gyula

allcanadian

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #404 on: September 14, 2016, 05:15:18 AM »
@Gyula
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However, these quotes cannot be fully understood without doing correct tests. [/size]And actually you have not shared your setup on this, maybe you never will. The latter case would be most unfortunate.


If you only knew what Erfinder gave you in the quotes you posted you would be very surprised. It is all there but you have to listen and you have to think about what was actually said word for word in the context it was said.


The wonderful part about leaving many things open to interpretation is that it is open to interpretation. One man may say I do this and you interpret it as something else and then follow through and Eureka you have it. Then you go tell that man I have replicated your device and this is how it works. Then he tells you no that is nothing like what I was doing but you managed to succeed anyways.


I cannot tell you how many times I have been completely wrong about something and succeeded anyways. Personally I hope Erfinder doesn't give anything away on a silver platter because that would spoil all the fun.


AC