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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #360 on: September 07, 2016, 12:39:02 AM »
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor

These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.

At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.

1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)

There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…

We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.

The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.

Allcanadian, keep thinking about that answer if you really want a progress.
The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?

Regards (shit, I did it again but I don't care about judgment of shills).

You have lost your lollies.
Please post just one instance where Tesla used air core coils for a motor or generator-as that is what we are doing here.

Air core coils are great-if you want to transmit EM radiation all over the place-->energy lost from the system by the way. But if you want to retain as much as that energy within the system(as we do),then you use iron or ferrite cores.

Air core coils are a waste of energy,when dealing with low frequency devices such as we are here.

Your diversional tactics are very transparent,so quit while your behind.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #360 on: September 07, 2016, 12:39:02 AM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #361 on: September 07, 2016, 12:43:21 AM »

OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo

Holy cow Ron,that is one sweet build  ;)

Is the next step to drive a generator from the output shaft-such as Teal did ?.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #362 on: September 07, 2016, 12:45:03 AM »



Oh Yeah, here it is:


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Errrr :-[ ,Sorry man--to much woman for me to handle lol.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #362 on: September 07, 2016, 12:45:03 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #363 on: September 07, 2016, 12:54:13 AM »
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Brad, I am not sure why you did the experiment as you did either. It is "Ward's Magnetic Switch" (I know, invented long ago) and it was in this context as a generator that Chris posted it... I thought. Just how efficient it will be is something we need to base the experiment on, because it just might not be that efficient? After all it looked like he was driving it with a one or two horse motor?


Ron

Hi Ron

Yes,we are getting to the generator part of it.
This was just a little experiment i decided to try on the way to the generator part of the project.

I have tanked the primary coil,and now ,at a frequency of 355Hz,i can get the input current to go down from 1.25mA to 600odd uA when i place the magnet into the core,while maintaining the same voltage across the primary coil--while at the same time,get an increase of 3x+ on the output coil.

As pointed out in another post,there is still two small shunts in place in the core,and i will be cutting those out tonight,to see if that makes any difference to what we are seeing.

The field may just be circulating around the primary coil via these shunt's when the magnet is not in place,and negating the shunts when the magnet is in place--we shall see.

I do not get much time in the workshop after i get home from my daily job,so i cant get things done as quickly as i would like--but we will get there.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #364 on: September 07, 2016, 01:10:32 AM »
Holy cow Ron,that is one sweet build  ;)

Is the next step to drive a generator from the output shaft-such as Teal did ?.


Brad


Thanks mate!


Yep, tiz why I am on a "Lenz free generator" site, lol


I was really interested in Turion's 120 watts in and 800 watts out... but when I jestingly suggested it was a another Romero it was like standing to close to a hornets nest after poking a sting in it!  LOL


Mind you I was looking for a low lenz generator to go with my Phil Wood's patented motor then. The Teal is really strong but probably uses way more juice. Win some lose some.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #365 on: September 07, 2016, 01:41:12 AM »

OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo



WOW Nice Build Ron!!!


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #366 on: September 07, 2016, 01:50:55 AM »
Errrr :-[ ,Sorry man--to much woman for me to handle lol.


Brad



What do you mean? The boys at the Murakami Army Conference just couldnt keep their hands off me...

Hahahaha ;)

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #367 on: September 07, 2016, 01:59:46 AM »



If anyone can suggest a better solution to the phase shift in Brad's experiment, I would be very interested to hear it:




We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.




I think we need to get more technical to explain some of the things we are seeing! Anyone disagree? Or have a better solution? Like I said, this is significant, we need to start looking at these things and understand how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage.

Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #368 on: September 07, 2016, 03:26:58 AM »


If anyone can suggest a better solution to the phase shift in Brad's experiment, I would be very interested to hear it:



I think we need to get more technical to explain some of the things we are seeing! Anyone disagree? Or have a better solution? Like I said, this is significant, we need to start looking at these things and understand how to use Lenz's Law to our advantage.

Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!!

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I know why Tesla wanted the phase shift. But does it give us an advantage toward our goals?  Not being cocky.  I just dont know of the advantages of having it.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #369 on: September 07, 2016, 03:37:14 AM »
I know why Tesla wanted the phase shift. But does it give us an advantage toward our goals?  Not being cocky.  I just dont know of the advantages of having it.

Mags



Mags - Excellent! Not Cocky at all!

A Counter Balanced Weight, see image below, or put better, maximum MMF is Reflected on a Primary Coil, by the Secondary, when there is a 180 Degree Phase Shift. To Counter this 180 Degree Phase Shift means our Input is minimised. We need to keep this going and thus a small amount of Input will be needed. We also want to maximise our Output, so a Counter MMF is needed.

For a Small Force at the Pivot Point (Our Input) allows a Large Force on the Load (Our Output) and the Counter Weight (Counter-Reaction) is the self Induced Force, equal and opposite to the Load (Our Output) - I hope this makes sense?

This is Newton's Law's of Motion, with one added: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #370 on: September 07, 2016, 03:45:21 AM »



Thus, stopping the reflective effects of Lenz's Law from the Secondary back on to the Primary!!! Here is an example of this!!!

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Ok. With that in mind......

Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?

Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?

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« Reply #371 on: September 07, 2016, 04:06:20 AM »


Mags - Excellent! Not Cocky at all!

A Counter Balanced Weight, see image below, or put better, maximum MMF is Reflected on a Primary Coil, by the Secondary, when there is a 180 Degree Phase Shift. To Counter this 180 Degree Phase Shift means our Input is minimised. We need to keep this going and thus a small amount of Input will be needed. We also want to maximise our Output, so a Counter MMF is needed.

For a Small Force at the Pivot Point (Our Input) allows a Large Force on the Load (Our Output) and the Counter Weight (Counter-Reaction) is the self Induced Force, equal and opposite to the Load (Our Output) - I hope this makes sense?

This is Newton's Law's of Motion, with one added: Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction

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I can understand that the input is minimized. But referring to my last post, say the boost circuit is setup so the pulse into the primary induces the secondary during the pulse, there would be an increased input in doing so vs the secondary only being induced by the field collapse after the primary is turned off, depending on the polarity of the output rectifier/output setup.

So Im not seeing the advantage, yet. ;)

Mags

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« Reply #372 on: September 07, 2016, 04:12:06 AM »
Ok. With that in mind......

Wouldnt that be the same difference as inputting a constant sine wave vs a simple boost circuit?

Like if in the boost circuit we pulse the primary in a polarity that the single rectifier off the secondary does not conduct until the primary current is cut and the collapse induces the secondary and in the direction of the rectifier to the output. Is that not Lenz less?

Mags



Electromagnetic Induction is the Pumping of Electrical Energy, Energy over Time, or Watt Seconds. Lenz's Law is the direction of this Energy, equal and opposite.

This is Mass Energy Equivalence, where the Mass, Copper in our case, is the Source of Energy / C2 (The Speed of Light Squared)

Mass = Energy / The Speed of Light2

Electromagnetic Induction, the Direction of it, Lenz's Law, is always ±180 Degrees out of Phase.

By incorporating into Systems, phenomena where Electromagnetic Induction is invoked many times more than once, is of benefit. Each Energy Source, the Mass being Pumped, can be utilised in its own right.

There are many ways, but each source of Induction must be incorporated to assist the other in a sequence the same as mentioned.

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« Reply #373 on: September 07, 2016, 04:46:07 AM »



I think I see where the confusion is coming from. For a moment, think basic AC Transformer, Input is Output less losses. Lenz's Law applies. Efficiency is 90+ %... Also, one needs to think of Energy Output, not Energy Input. These are opposite so if you think Input, reverse the idea and then its Output.

The Primary Invokes Induction in the Secondary. The MMF, Magnetising Force at a single point in time is equal to the MMF, Magnetising Force of the Secondary, Reflected back on Primary, this being a Destructive Interference, ±180 Degrees out of Phase Magnetically, but Constructive Interference Wave Electrically.

Thus the Input Current must Increase to keep over coming this reflective MMF. This is the BH Curve.

See the below Image:

We need to make geometrically, or systematically, via Switching, changes, to allow this 1:1 less losses, Energy exchange, more efficient.

Imagine for a minute a 5KG weight, we need to lift it 1 Foot. What’s the most efficient way to do this?

Counter Balance this Weight!!! See Below Image:

If we have two Magnetic Fields, the Force of Each Counter balancing each other in the same way, we will see one Field assist our Input and one oppose our Input.

Permanent Magnets are of benefit to these systems because of this Counter Balancing.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #374 on: September 07, 2016, 05:00:16 AM »





OK, getting back to the mag base switcher, ready?  it is happening over on another forum


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Hi guys, I will be back in about three or four hours to answer any questions and reply to comments, But in the mean time I wanted to mention something. The switcher is a product of 5 people's work, Myself, Mark, Nicolas, Lawrence and Bruno. It's being referred to as the LaFonte Switcher but it is really the LaFonte Group Switcher.[/size]I don't want all the credit to get attached to me. We work as a team and everyone has stuck with me through all the designs that did not work and I am very lucky to have such a great team. We don't know how many machines we built that might be overunity because we ran out of money before R&D could be completed. Mark has a storage trailer full of our prototypes. Maybe someday we will have the funds to complete the R&D on all of them. There are close to 2000 designs on paper. Maybe with the success of the switcher we can build them all.Back in several hours,Butch[quote/]


edit...up to page 5  and I see you are already there EM, LOL


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