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Offline barbosi

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #345 on: September 06, 2016, 06:25:03 PM »
Allcanadian,

I am a bit surprised by your response but I guess just in a few words my suggestion was too veiled, so I'll try slower.

So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

For the others I'm sorry, I waste enough time to read your posts.

Respectfully

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #345 on: September 06, 2016, 06:25:03 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #346 on: September 06, 2016, 06:56:46 PM »
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.



Are those round parts in the core opening iron?  If they are, then I have to agree with the shunting. So the magnet probably saturates them enough to let the wave pass.

And like you said in the latest post about Teslas phase shift transformer, I wonder if the input were stepped up, would there be more of an equal output voltage? like would there be very little to none if the input was lower? Like the Gabriel device, if I remember correctly, the input did not show on the secondary till the input reached a certain level. I think Teslas pat says similary that.

And about Tesla later not using cores at all, Id have to say that he still used them in motors and generators.

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #347 on: September 06, 2016, 07:07:00 PM »
One thing I have to say on Brads vid with the magnet in place, he had a load on the sec and the voltage on that load was near as much as the input. Now if the windings are identical, even without the load, the sec voltage should be only equal or less than the input voltage. If he takes off the load, is the sec voltage higher than the primary input? If so, with a 1 to 1 ratio, and sine wave in, no pulsing, how is that?  Id say the 100ohm resistor probably drags down the sec voltage more than the tiny bit it is below the input voltage in the scope shot.  If it is higher than the primary, then we need to find out how that comes about for a 1 to 1 ratio transformer.  ??? ;) Heck, Id like to see the sec voltage without the load and without the magnet. ;) All to compare.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #347 on: September 06, 2016, 07:07:00 PM »
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #348 on: September 06, 2016, 08:42:50 PM »
@barbosi
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So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

Tesla did not denounce iron and in many applications said it was much more practical. Tesla's research with high voltage, high frequency currents required very fast rise/fall times which were dampened by iron cores and also introduced losses. Tesla moved towards air core coils because they were much more efficient at higher frequencies. Then he reached the next hurdle which was that the current induced in an air coil produced a magnetic field which also limited or dampened the rise/fall times and maximum operating frequency. At this point he invented his "extra coils" which were not dampened by the induced current/magnetic field and free to oscillate at their own natural resonant frequency producing the desired effects he was searching for.
There is much more to it than this short explanation however there is no need to go there here.

Of course this is off topic and we are not debating HV/HF phenomena which has it's own set of difficulties. We are considering electro-magnetic devices which may operate at low frequency and low voltage which are much easier to build and experiment with. Concerning jnaudins experiment and Tesla patent 524426, it should be obvious to anyone skilled in the art how they work.

AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #349 on: September 06, 2016, 10:12:11 PM »
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.




Yep, our resident moron is all threats and too fat to get out of his arm chair. A school yard bully that never went to school!

Wait till Stefan see this!!! Bill are you seeng this?

Whats the technical difference between: Magneto-motive Force (F) = Turns(N) x Current(I) and Electromotive Force (E.M.F) = -NdPhi/dt (The change in Flux(Phi) through Turns(N) over the course of Time (t))?

Science seems to have some sort of inconsistency here that is never bought up. No one has ever mentioned it, as far as I know.

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EMF:
Electromotive force, also called emf (denoted and measured in volts), is the voltage developed by any source of electrical energy such as a battery or dynamo. It is generally defined as the electrical potential for a source in a circuit.


MMF:
Similar to the way that electromotive force (EMF) drives a current of electrical charge in electrical circuits, magnetomotive force (MMF) 'drives' magnetic flux through magnetic circuits. The term 'magnetomotive force', though, is a misnomer since it is not a force nor is anything moving.



Voltage:
Voltage, electric potential difference, electric pressure or electric tension (formally denoted ∆V or ∆U, but more often simply as V or U, for instance in the context of Ohm's or Kirchhoff's laws) is the difference in electric potential energy between two points per unit electric charge.


Current:
An electric current is a flow of electric charge. In electric circuits this charge is often carried by moving electrons in a wire. It can also be carried by ions in an electrolyte, or by both ions and electrons such as in a plasma.



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #349 on: September 06, 2016, 10:12:11 PM »
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Offline barbosi

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #350 on: September 06, 2016, 10:26:31 PM »
1894: US Patent 524,426 (the one Naudin made the suggested tests)
1896: US Patent 555,190 Alternating Motor

These were the last patents where Tesla used in purpose the iron in the cores and in my opinion, it was only to secure the methods of AC machines as they were its babies.

At the turn of century as his work was complete, Tesla stepped away from iron cored machines. He still used them, same as we use them today. Same as some dentists nowadays are still using mercury amalgams in tooth cavities. We proudly call this: tradition.

1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,954 Method Of Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1899)
1901: US Patent 685,953 Method Of Intensifying And Utilizing Effects Transmitted Through Natural Media (application filled 1900)
1901: US Patent 685,012 Means For Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations (application filled 1900)

There was no iron in friggin' “Natural Media” and he was not “Increasing The Intensity Of Electrical Oscillations” to make apple candies…

We are still studying methods from 120 years ago using “Dog and Pony Show” methods distributed through youtube? That is in my view an abomination on itself, not mentioning the cheers and drooling from the gallery.

The Master himself delivered the study materials and if we cannot comprehend them, it is our fault. The solution is not to religiously watch mindless demonstrations from illiterates or Doctors alike and worship them as our heroes. We cannot drop into that condition as we want and need to evolve.

Allcanadian, keep thinking about that answer if you really want a progress.
The invitation is for all of you. I know we all want solutions but it wont happen before we identify the real problem, then look into our options with our minds not scopes. It all requires our personal mental effort not books of the past. We still didn't figure out what Tesla was talking about and we still have problems with Lenz?

Regards (shit, I did it again but I don't care about judgment of shills).

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #351 on: September 06, 2016, 11:06:18 PM »
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?



barbosi I mean Erfondler, I mean you are one and the same....

Whatever you wish to believe in... I have no problem that you choose to stay where you are.

Still waiting for you to prove me wrong!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #351 on: September 06, 2016, 11:06:18 PM »
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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #352 on: September 06, 2016, 11:11:30 PM »

Just the chickens coming home to roost. You started it. If you are going to hand it out you have to be able to take it.

Why was it so funny? (it was hilarious!!!) well after page after page of you calling down various members of the group in the foulest manner possible, one of them turns the table and in extreme innuendo calls (implies) you are a Kunt  .... beautiful Chris! impeccable humour.

ROTFLMAO

Regards,

Ron


PS: Your rebuttal links, that part of your post, are excellent. If you can understand why then then the list is on it's way to healing.

PPS: hey it self censors that word... I had to misspell it to get it to save



Thanks Ron - I am a happy man that my Humour was appreciated ;)

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #353 on: September 06, 2016, 11:13:50 PM »
Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.



This is classically funny BTW!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #353 on: September 06, 2016, 11:13:50 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #354 on: September 06, 2016, 11:15:05 PM »

Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....




Erfinder - You are acting like a total Douche Bag!!! Grow up you looser!!!

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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #355 on: September 06, 2016, 11:18:55 PM »
Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad




Oh Yeah, here it is:


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #356 on: September 06, 2016, 11:23:51 PM »
Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad




Anyone guess who this is:

I dont know who the pretty little one is next to them, however!


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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #357 on: September 06, 2016, 11:32:54 PM »
Allcanadian,

I am a bit surprised by your response but I guess just in a few words my suggestion was too veiled, so I'll try slower.

So in about 100 years we have been disconnected from the progress made in the field:

1. Back in the Franklin's time, people used solid iron rods for their electromagnets.
2. In Tesla's time, it was known the benefit of lamination of the iron cores.
3. In his patent 524426, Tesla showed the effects of phase shift due to the reluctance of the cores (see  Naudin experiment) by interrupting the magnetic circuit.
4. Later Tesla got rid of the iron completely from the core of its coils.

My question for you, and you only is: why did he renounced to the iron and went air core?
If you don't know the answer, then you have work to do. Let your public answer to inspire the true researchers.

For the others I'm sorry, I waste enough time to read your posts.

Respectfully



WOW - You have to be kidding dont you!!!!

As if the Great Nikola Tesla had Ferrite's and other super fast, high mu, materials, with solid state switching... This was Nikola Tesla's Dream!!! Read the damn litrature!!!

Youre very clearly speaking from a Hole very near your Sphincter!!!

You total Clown!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #358 on: September 06, 2016, 11:39:35 PM »

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your build come together.

Brad


OK, here is a link to the vid





Ron


https://youtu.be/O3psLcNbqxo


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #359 on: September 06, 2016, 11:41:49 PM »
Are those round parts in the core opening iron?  If they are, then I have to agree with the shunting. So the magnet probably saturates them enough to let the wave pass.

And like you said in the latest post about Teslas phase shift transformer, I wonder if the input were stepped up, would there be more of an equal output voltage? like would there be very little to none if the input was lower? Like the Gabriel device, if I remember correctly, the input did not show on the secondary till the input reached a certain level. I think Teslas pat says similary that.

And about Tesla later not using cores at all, Id have to say that he still used them in motors and generators.

Mags



BINGO - Some are so lost that they just dont know where their feet are relative to their Brain!!!

Tesla built an Electric World and his Inventions are everywhere today, Core material has a Use, it is important in Transformers and many other devices.

To make a claim that Tesla denounced Iron in his work is total Lies!!!

Try build a 10KVA 50Hz Transformer with an Air Core - What sort of Idiot would suggest such a thing!!!

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