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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #315 on: September 05, 2016, 05:24:46 PM »



Guys,


How I think the mag base model works.


With the NS vertical as in the left sketch there is no magnetic field present in the two cores.


As the rotating magnet's heal just clears the top and bottom gaps the full north field is SUDDENLY present on the left core and the south field on the right core. Thus there is a quite dramatic switching of the field from off to on and the turn off is equally sudden.


Thus there is no slow lazy approach and retreat of the magnet to and from the coil. All of a sudden the field is there... all of a sudden it is gone. So the Lenz reaction is shortened up considerably.


My thoughts at the moment... not having built one yet


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #316 on: September 05, 2016, 06:51:52 PM »
 
This isn't the way to go, but if this is what folks want....I am wasting my time here. 

Regards


Nah, we are here to learn and you are here to teach, go for it


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #317 on: September 05, 2016, 07:26:31 PM »
@tinman
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Oh look-another winner lol.[/size]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZrcleswIbM&feature=youtu.be


When I saw the video I thought... I want that. I want that purring away in my basement 24/7 and that is why I am here. That guy in the video is "the Man" and until we have a 10 Kw generator purring away in our basement powering our house we will never be the man.


Personally I like where your going with your video's and sharing real experiments in a clear and precise way helps everyone get moving in the right direction. We need more people doing real experiments and sharing their results in a way everyone can understand in order to get this done. I was moving towards motionless generators but I'm going jump on board in the direction this video and your experiments are moving.


We can do this, let's getter done.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #317 on: September 05, 2016, 07:26:31 PM »
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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #318 on: September 05, 2016, 09:29:17 PM »

I am not here to teach (as if I could)..snip


You are too modest... from all the reports I have heard you are an excellent teacher.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #319 on: September 05, 2016, 09:35:52 PM »
Ok,well by doing what i did in the video,i would have thought two things would have happened.

The magnet being used is a N52 3/4 x 1" neo.
Power being supplied to the primary coil is of a very small value.
1st,i would have thought by placing this powerful magnet within the core center,would have saturated the core -or near too,and reduced the output on the secondary.
2nd,i would have expected a large biasing offset on the output wave form.
But as you can see in the video,we had the opposite effect in both cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M

Brad


Brad, is the phase difference caused by the magnet not being vertical?


This is interesting because when it is running, as a generator, there will be a different path length at the start of the induction every time, and with the coils in series??? LOL


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #320 on: September 05, 2016, 10:47:37 PM »


I believe if that was the case,then we would see a huge offset of the output wave, due to biasing the core.
Remember,the PMs field through the core dose not change,but the field produced by the primary coil is alternating--so why no biased offset on the output?.

With every other coil i have tried this with,i get either a reduction in output,or an offset due to biasing on the output wave form.

Might look into this a bit further.

EMJ-any thoughts?--maybe some relationship to the MEG effect ?.


Brad



Hey Brad - Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing!

I think the video title does give an accurate description, you have shown that the addition of a Permanent Magnet has increased the output: "Magnetic Power Amplification"

If we look at the Scope shots from one to the other, we do see a change in phase angle, only small, but a change in a direction we would not expect, we would expect the Coupling Coefficient (K) has increased between these two coils, from Primary to Secondary, but that something else may be at play also.

Increase: 6.571
VIn: 56.0mv
VOut: 368.0mv

We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.

So, maybe, as you say there is some localised Saturation due to the Permanent Magnet, which in turn is pushing the Change in Flux (B) of the primary, through to the secondary, inducing 6.571 times more Electromagnetic Induction, or Maybe the Permanent Magnet itself is actually the excess Coupling Coefficient (K), that we see. I think the evidence points toward this, the latter; the Permanent Magnet is adding Energy to the System.

This is just my thoughts and I may be totally wrong.

Shaded Pole Motors run their laminations fairly near to saturation, so Carroll's explanation is something to think about.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #321 on: September 05, 2016, 11:24:37 PM »
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #322 on: September 05, 2016, 11:34:32 PM »
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.


barbosi - You sound like an Erfinder dressed in drag. Infact you sign off many of your posts in the same way!!!

You could take your Bi-Polar Buddy, and start a B I B S Thread: Believe In Bull S*@%

Please feel free to prove me wrong, I will be more than happy to concede, I am only human.

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P.S: We all know what Bibs do, catch and soak up Dribble!!!


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #323 on: September 06, 2016, 01:15:49 AM »
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #324 on: September 06, 2016, 01:17:51 AM »

Brad, is the phase difference caused by the magnet not being vertical?


This is interesting because when it is running, as a generator, there will be a different path length at the start of the induction every time, and with the coils in series??? LOL


Ron

Yes,the phase angle changes when the magnet is turned from the vertical to horizontal position.

Heading off this weekend for a camping trip,so may not get back to it until next week,as i still have a bit of work to do to the van through this week.

But it's looking like we will see some interesting effects take place with this setup.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #325 on: September 06, 2016, 01:21:21 AM »
Damn when one needs a shredder, TinselKoala (aka TK) is not around.
TK, if you read this and still value your science, unfriend timan 'till he reads the elementary books in electricity.

Regards, no more.

Perhaps you mean induced magnetic field interactions ?

Or maybe--just maybe,instead of just being a plane making a flyby,you could actually show us your smart's,and provide all the answers for us?. Why do you need TK if you know it all ?-elementary electricity that is .

Much to say--nothing to show.
You do sound much like the resident dropkick.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #326 on: September 06, 2016, 01:27:02 AM »



Have a great Camping Trip Brad!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #327 on: September 06, 2016, 01:30:23 AM »


Hey Brad - Excellent Video. Thanks for sharing!

I think the video title does give an accurate description, you have shown that the addition of a Permanent Magnet has increased the output: "Magnetic Power Amplification"

If we look at the Scope shots from one to the other, we do see a change in phase angle, only small, but a change in a direction we would not expect, we would expect the Coupling Coefficient (K) has increased between these two coils, from Primary to Secondary, but that something else may be at play also.

Increase: 6.571
VIn: 56.0mv
VOut: 368.0mv

We should always see Electromagnetic Induction ±180 degrees, and being that we see a decrease, away from the closest 180 degree mark, in the opposite direction, is significant.

So, maybe, as you say there is some localised Saturation due to the Permanent Magnet, which in turn is pushing the Change in Flux (B) of the primary, through to the secondary, inducing 6.571 times more Electromagnetic Induction, or Maybe the Permanent Magnet itself is actually the excess Coupling Coefficient (K), that we see. I think the evidence points toward this, the latter; the Permanent Magnet is adding Energy to the System.

This is just my thoughts and I may be totally wrong.

Shaded Pole Motors run their laminations fairly near to saturation, so Carroll's explanation is something to think about.

   Chris Sykes
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Wonder what would happen if i tank the primary coil?

I might play around with this solid state version for a while,before we look at the mechanical generator version.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #328 on: September 06, 2016, 01:48:18 AM »
Wonder what would happen if i tank the primary coil?

I might play around with this solid state version for a while,before we look at the mechanical generator version.


Brad



I think thats a sound plan Brad! Investigate as much as possible before making changes.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #329 on: September 06, 2016, 01:49:47 AM »
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be

Mags



Nice Vid Mags - Thumbs up from me.

Another Coil could be implimented to do that the PM's are doing...

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