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Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 406162 times)

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #270 on: September 04, 2016, 05:21:12 AM »
Hey Mags

While the motor is running,can you move the toroid core away from the rotor,and see what happens,and then bring the core back close to the rotor,and see what happens?.

Cheers

Brad

Hey Brad

Will do so when I get back to shop tomorrow.

What do you expect may happen?  The core does cog the rotor so it is initially a drag. So if I pull it away without shorting the coil the rotor goes faster without changing the input.

Like in my last post on this, I was kinda expecting no effect on the rotor, as in the orbo effect. Then I did a test on a fully wound core and the gen effect was virtually nil, so it has to be a short end to end winding length of just a portion of the core to get max gen output. Even the winding in the vid, if it were the same number of turns but shorter from end to end of the winding, there would be more output but a shorter length bump on the scope. Did that in the earlier test.

I also put some small mags in a plastic tube and used a drill to spin the tube in the hole of the core, and there is output there also. It was low rpm and smaller mags, but it did induce the coil. So if we wind a bunch of individual windings on the core, we can induce them with a spinning diametric mag in the hole of the core which should have reduced core cogging and leave only Lenz to deal with. If coils on opposite ends of the toroid core are say in series, each producing opposing output due to opposite poles inducing each, there may be some different effects there as the loaded coils fields will oppose in the core. That is the next test setup.  The core and mag need to be perfectly center and mounted solid, as in the core held solid and the axle of the diametric mag also, to have a cogless operation with the core.

But I will give it a go tomorrow.  ;)

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #270 on: September 04, 2016, 05:21:12 AM »

Offline Magluvin

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #271 on: September 04, 2016, 05:25:05 AM »
Just a thought that came to me.  I wonder what would happen if a second winding on the opposite side of the core, furthest away from the rotor. Then use that as an output while leaving the front winding shorted.  ???   Simple to try

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #272 on: September 04, 2016, 03:15:30 PM »

     You people don't get to choose how I respond.  Regarding your decision to not read anything I  post from now on, I will loose about as much sleep as one who gives two shits,

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You seem to fit well in the category of groupie/cheerleader... 
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Ah,your true colors shine through once again--attack those that dare question you.You truly belong to the !army!--so many books of secret's that are really books of nothingness.

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Those you speak of would like to think they showed me I was mistaken

I did show you you were mistaken.
Jim !tha man! Murray--is not tha man.
Your biggest problem is,you dont know where to look. Here you think you are going to negate the effects of Lenz-and help others here do so,and yet you were blind as to where it existed in Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator--the work you pushed so hard for everyone to take note of.

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They haven't shown anyone shit that you cannot find yourself, and their assessment of the work of the ones they bash....I am glad they do it, they bar themselves from making any real progress, and drag their groupie/cheerleaders right along with them.

I disagree.
It only took one look at Jim's video on the dynaflux generator,to see that it was nothing more than a bathroom heater-and a noisy one at that. With just over 7% efficiency,even you would have to agree that that generator is a true abomination  :D
So i would count that as positive progress,where we have removed one shocking excuse for a generator that dose not negates the Lenz effect. Now no one will waste there time on building such a piece of junk--junk from the army camp.

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it's not like you were paying attention anyway.

It's a good thing that very few were paying attention to you. Think of all the time that would have been wasted on building Jim's dynaflux generator,and just because you dont understand or know where to look,when it come's to negating the Lenz effect--just as Jim had no idea either.

Would you like to refer us to another wonderful device that the Macrame Army has ?--we could have a good look at any you present,and see if any of the soldiers really do have anything great to offer. My bet is you will not post another thing here again,as you know there are those here that will present the truth about these wonderful Macrame Army machines.

I have read everyone of there books of secrets,and not one actually has any secrets in them. There is lots of bullshit--but no secrets.
Lots of claimed self runners,but not one in existence.

You hate using measuring equipment,and dis those that do.
Much the same as driving a car down the road with your eyes shut--sooner or later,your going to crash--like you did with Jim's dynaflux generator. You refused to look at what the measuring equipment was telling you,and blindly followed the work of a man that dose not even know what his own device is doing.

Perhaps you could get in touch with Arron the rookie,and tell him i challenge him to a simple pulse motor build off-->now that would be a hoot. ;D
But like you,Arron the rookie has much to say,but runs like a scared little mouse when challenged.

I wonder how large the insult list will grow,when others question your work or ethics.


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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #273 on: September 04, 2016, 04:36:48 PM »





Erfinder,


I have always had a minor interest in the work of David Squires. Now I see in the blurb for "Advanced Motor Secrets" he uses the term, "energy transformation"


This leads to a couple of questions, are you familiar with his work and two, is he using the term as you would? Perhaps you could expound a wee bit on this please?


Thanks,


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #274 on: September 04, 2016, 06:12:03 PM »

Mr. Squires is a man I would love to exchange with.  He is the only one other than JLN who has studied the Romag Generator.  I am passionate about that particular machine, and owing to this, yes, I am familiar with the name.


Your second question, it's a possibility that we are saying similar, not being in possession of any of his works, other than the info offered by energetics, and the document found on JLN, it's almost impossible to make a comparison between what he knows, and what I have come to understand.  I would like to think we are on the same page.  There is no clear indication of what's being transformed. 


On a side note, I am investigating how energy is transferred between L and C, both are source in turn, both are sink in turn, but at resonance something else takes place. The impedance = 0 condition opens the system up so as to allow energy to move in both directions simultaneously, assuming the means for exciting such is available.  The prerequisite, resonance must be maintained over a wide band, I call this condition "Infinite Harmonic Resonant Self Oscillation", I mentioned that already......  The key to accomplishing this is understanding what Lenz really is doing in your system and controlling it (Lenz, not running away from it or cutting it out like cancer) through the manipulation of reactive cross section at key instances....sounds complicated but can be broken down into changing the impedance of the circuit, impedance here being a direct reference to CEMF, how, where and when, and which direction it is induced.  Folk don't take me serious, their loss.

More than you asked for, not what you asked for, sorry about that.


Regards


Tantalizing, but a good start, thanks.


Yes, mags toroid experiment reminded me of Dave's famous nearly one and only foray into public disclosure?


But ask the right questions and eventualy I will get the right answers


Ron






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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #275 on: September 04, 2016, 06:22:27 PM »
Hey Brad

Will do so when I get back to shop tomorrow.

What do you expect may happen?  The core does cog the rotor so it is initially a drag. So if I pull it away without shorting the coil the rotor goes faster without changing the input.

Like in my last post on this, I was kinda expecting no effect on the rotor, as in the orbo effect. Then I did a test on a fully wound core and the gen effect was virtually nil, so it has to be a short end to end winding length of just a portion of the core to get max gen output. Even the winding in the vid, if it were the same number of turns but shorter from end to end of the winding, there would be more output but a shorter length bump on the scope. Did that in the earlier test.

I also put some small mags in a plastic tube and used a drill to spin the tube in the hole of the core, and there is output there also. It was low rpm and smaller mags, but it did induce the coil. So if we wind a bunch of individual windings on the core, we can induce them with a spinning diametric mag in the hole of the core which should have reduced core cogging and leave only Lenz to deal with. If coils on opposite ends of the toroid core are say in series, each producing opposing output due to opposite poles inducing each, there may be some different effects there as the loaded coils fields will oppose in the core. That is the next test setup.  The core and mag need to be perfectly center and mounted solid, as in the core held solid and the axle of the diametric mag also, to have a cogless operation with the core.

But I will give it a go tomorrow.  ;)

Mags


Good experiment, and as I posted in my previous post, reminds me of David Squire's work


I was wondering if the full circle toroid, with your experiment as a window, would make a difference?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #276 on: September 04, 2016, 08:50:26 PM »

 The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer.  Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,


Regards


Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #277 on: September 04, 2016, 09:57:57 PM »
Erfinder,

I am really surprised at your behavior. 
Carroll


Hi Carroll,


Wasn't that an interesting series of posts? No surprise actually, it is a test. He thinks quite differently than most of us and applies as much weight to what is not said as to what is said. Once you come to understand there is no meanness in his remarks then the test should become more apparent. He tests us for our mental competency ... but more pertinently... our mental stability. He is seeking to see how comfortably we live with our egos ... but then again, most importantly, to see which one is in charge!


Incidentally, has there been any release of Dave B's "invention"? I don't go there any more.


Thanks


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #278 on: September 04, 2016, 10:48:19 PM »




Erfinder,


I have always had a minor interest in the work of David Squires. Now I see in the blurb for "Advanced Motor Secrets" he uses the term, "energy transformation"


This leads to a couple of questions, are you familiar with his work and two, is he using the term as you would? Perhaps you could expound a wee bit on this please?


Thanks,


Ron



Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #279 on: September 04, 2016, 11:11:40 PM »


Hi Ron - A very good friend of mine invested many thousands of dollars and a lot of time in the Squires Device.

The Murakami Army will have you believe that a Bar of Soap is OU, I say you really need to be wary of Aaron and Soap!!!

It does suffer from Lenz's the same as a normal motor. I really should not post any pictures as they are not mine to post, but:

   Chris Sykes
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Thanks Chris!!! that is exactly the kind of information I needed, much appreciated.


So you see, I am still looking for that "low lenz" generator, lol


The soap saga starts with Chadwick who runs Bear house, who runs JB, prest wicki, Starling, who self destructed, so the army guy, along with a certain doctor, are just the bottom rungs of the ladder. Eyes open here.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #280 on: September 04, 2016, 11:12:45 PM »
The force we induce has to be given a path through its inducer. Trust me, I know this makes absolutely no sense,


Regards
Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.


That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

 
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #281 on: September 04, 2016, 11:21:51 PM »
Not so absurd, IF there is a solution to the problem


Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.

That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

Regards.


Thanks for the info, now if I wasn't so thick and knew what to do with it?


So there is hope yet... good to see the forum functioning again.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #282 on: September 04, 2016, 11:31:40 PM »

Thanks Chris!!! that is exactly the kind of information I needed, much appreciated.


So you see, I am still looking for that "low lenz" generator, lol


The soap saga starts with Chadwick who runs Bear house, who runs JB, prest wicki, Starling, who self destructed, so the army guy, along with a certain doctor, are just the bottom rungs of the ladder. Eyes open here.


Ron



Hi Ron - Isnt it sickening how Control and Minipulation have destroyed portions of History and try to destroy the future!!!

Squires did have a Simulated FEMM Concept, I cant blame the guy because he did try! It should have been better investigated before selling info on it.

A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator - Cheap and easy to build, some reuses of materials. I bought the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator from EBay, and used some old Coils I had already, Spin up the Magnet with a Motor and whaaa Laaa a very interesting device.

Although my particular version was not OU, it was a very interesting device.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #283 on: September 04, 2016, 11:45:10 PM »



A device I learnt a lot from is the Ward Force Generator - Cheap and easy to build, some reuses of materials. I bought the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator from EBay, and used some old Coils I had already, Spin up the Magnet with a Motor and whaaa Laaa a very interesting device.

Although my particular version was not OU, it was a very interesting device.

   Chris Sykes
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Thanks, that is something I had seen before but not investigated... will have another look


Ron

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« Reply #284 on: September 04, 2016, 11:52:11 PM »

Ron

A while ago there was a big debate about the vortex shape of the magnetic field lines.

Despite several experimental demonstrations, there were reluctant people sticking to the description from the books which described only the envelope of the (vortex) field lines. For those there is no solution to the problem, hence all the experiments are stirred to a dead end. When the vortex shape is considered,  a solution appears almost self evident, as in the attached picture.

That being only the principle, I know people developed practical machines. And I guess right now on this forum, one is trying to share more details, while applying the same principle to make head through all the opposition.

Regards.


Just for general information, but I am strongly reminded of a recent project I did for a well know Alaskan sensitive...some 33 degree coil forms for intersecting coils at the, shall we say block wall. The messy bits at the block wall are just shipping discs. Finished they are plastic and aluminum discs. I believe he has them wound and is impressed with the performance but I haven't heard if they are self powering yet. The coils would intersect as per your graphic.


Ron

 

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