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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #210 on: September 01, 2016, 05:28:55 PM »
LOL. I do remember you and I, and a few others, apparently being a thorn in the side of a certain TH.
But I don't actually remember any meanness from either of us. (Maybe I'm being selective, LOL) Though I do remember myself and yourself and a few others copping a lot of flak, and obfuscation from the other side of the opinion divide.  ;D

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Cheers Ron... and keep on keepin' Ron!


Good to hear from you hoptoad... and here we are still at it, eh?


Just to keep the record straight with TH, overall it was a grand time. He is an honourable man, the work I did for him was supposed to have been just my cost for materials yet he always paid me more than I asked for, even sent me some of his art work...he was an artist, did you know? and quite good. It was unfortunate that the squabbles were on a public forum, but that is life I guess.


I do things for fun, so your, 'no meanness' hits the nail on the head exactly.


Take care mate


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #210 on: September 01, 2016, 05:28:55 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #211 on: September 01, 2016, 09:42:52 PM »

If I were asked to pick a hero Murray or Brad.....it's a no brainer.

Regards
 


Right on!!! I would pick Brad also! Glad that is over and done with....


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #212 on: September 01, 2016, 11:45:10 PM »



Nope I haven't but I did build an air core, single phase, pulsed DC machine which exhibits the same phenomena that he references here:


https://youtu.be/HK3JOlY0V8Y?t=2520


I completely support the idea that beat frequency generation is involved here.  Of all that he is demonstrating, this concept has the most promise in my opinion, especially as it relates to air core systems.




Regards


Can you link me to a starting point to read more about this machine?


Thanks


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #212 on: September 01, 2016, 11:45:10 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #213 on: September 02, 2016, 10:05:13 AM »

Right on!!! I would pick Brad also! Glad that is over and done with....


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Ron


 



Hi Ron - I completely agree.

I bet money that no one will take Brad's Build Off Challenge!!! For the sake of saving one’s self from drowning in Rock Solid Science and Basic Fundamentals.

So, who here is up for it?

Brad, how about you and I, in a Build Off... We lay down some guidelines, start with some fundamentals and then kick it up a gear!

My E-Motor experience is little, I would not expect to win, but for the sake of actually learning something and gaining some knowledge, sharing some hard provable data with my colleagues, with real videos and real data, and showing something of value, I will be keen. I sure am not scared to learn something new! Hey, maybe, it's a long shot, but I may Win???

Because, really, there is just far too much talk!!! Decades of BS from the professional BSérs!!!

Which, by the way, I know will not participate in the Challange!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #214 on: September 02, 2016, 10:26:08 AM »



We could use GNU Licensing:

Quote from: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html#GPLHardware

Can I use the GPL to license hardware? (#GPLHardware)


Any material that can be copyrighted can be licensed under the GPL. GPLv3 can also be used to license materials covered by other copyright-like laws, such as semiconductor masks. So, as an example, you can release a drawing of a physical object or circuit under the GPL.

In many situations, copyright does not cover making physical hardware from a drawing. In these situations, your license for the drawing simply can't exert any control over making or selling physical hardware, regardless of the license you use. When copyright does cover making hardware, for instance with IC masks, the GPL handles that case in a useful way.



To protect from Thieves and Wroghters that Thieve Others Work and sleep well at night, stone cold low Lifes!!!


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #214 on: September 02, 2016, 10:26:08 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #215 on: September 02, 2016, 11:11:28 AM »



Lets get some Guidelines going, No particular Order:

   1: Entrants must agree on the same baseline Type/Make/Model of Motor.
   2: Entrants must document at every stage for the final entry.
   3: Entrants must be willing to concede to the voters.
   4: Circuits must be accurate and disclosed to the voters.
   5: Entrants must be serious about this challange!
   6: All submitted videos must be longer than 30 seconds.
   7: Videos must show the entire device, nothing hidden and nothing secret.
   8: All data must be Scientific and Real, no fairy tale BS...
   9: If the entrant chooses, torque and electrical output can be included in the Data. Both must be recorded at the same time.
   10: Major modifications must be passed by the other entrants, but Permanent Magnets can be added.
   
Gee Help me out guys!!! What else?

Also: "beat frequency generation" - Really? You really dont know what this is? What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there?

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #216 on: September 02, 2016, 03:10:57 PM »
 author=EMJunkie link=topic=15307.msg490838#msg490838 date=1472803513]



Because, really, there is just far too much talk!!! Decades of BS from the professional BSérs!!!

Which, by the way, I know will not participate in the Challange!

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The proof is always in the video Chris,and it is in plain sight in Jim Murray's video as well.
But the fact is,when some one like Erfinder start to promote such rubbish,others tend not to bother looking at things carefully,and just believe what they are told.
Either Jim is very stupid,or is being very deceitful-or he may have simply not understood what he was seeing,or just missed it altogether.Lets give Jim the benefit of doubt,and say he just dose not understand eddy current heating,and conversion of that heat into electrical power,as this is exactly what is happening with the demo of his early dynaflux generator-conversion of eddy current heat into electrical power.

Lets look at the original dynaflux generator,and the claims being made in the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y&feature=youtu.be&t=2520

First the claim
At 12:30 in the video Jim states that the machine(the dynaflux generator) hardly reflects the load to the prime mover,when the load(two bulbs) are switched on.

That is absolute rubbish.
In fact,the machine(the generator) presents a very large load on the prime mover,only Jim dose not see it-nor do most that watch these sorts of scams.

Unfortunately for Jim,his video shows that the dynaflux generator places a huge load on the prime mover,and  only delivers 13.07% of the load that the generator places on the prime mover,to the bulbs. :o
The efficiency of the generator is the worst i have seen,and we can make accurate calculations using the information in Jim's own video.
P/in total =556.32 watts
P/out to bulbs=40.09 watts.
Efficiency=7.2%  :D

Erfinder says that Jim Murray is !tha man!,and i say that Jim Murray has no idea what he is doing or looking for,or is being out right deceitful--> i would think lack of understanding what he is seeing would be more the case

This is why Erfinder thinks Jim is the man,as he is just as lost as Jim is,and dose not understand what he is looking at.

Erfinder will not challenge me on this,as he knows i can present the good's-show,explain,and prove that the dynaflux generator places a huge load on the prime mover,and delivers very little of that extra load to the bulbs-->only 13.07% of the extra power is delivered to the bulbs,and the rest is waste heat.
Like i said,it's a great heater.

To others on this thread
You can mock and hate me all you like,but facts are facts--and all the proof is in Jims video it self.
You can choose to continue on blindly,or you can be true to your self--your call.

If anyone here would like me to back up my claim's,using only Jims own video,i am more than happy to do so.

Also: "beat frequency generation"  What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there

No Chris
Once again,Jim is lost,and dose not know what  AC Induction motor slip is-so he came up with beat frequency generation  :D
I can(and have) replicated this effect using an !off the shelf! AC induction motor,and variac--it's that simple. At low voltages,where the frequency remains at 50/60Hz,the motor will !slip!. When the voltage gets high enough,the poles of the motor will grab the frequency,and synchronize with it.
This is exactly what Jim shows in his video--no !beat! frequency there.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #217 on: September 02, 2016, 03:19:07 PM »


Lets get some Guidelines going, No particular Order:

   1: Entrants must agree on the same baseline Type/Make/Model of Motor.
   2: Entrants must document at every stage for the final entry.
   3: Entrants must be willing to concede to the voters.
   4: Circuits must be accurate and disclosed to the voters.
   5: Entrants must be serious about this challange!
   6: All submitted videos must be longer than 30 seconds.
   7: Videos must show the entire device, nothing hidden and nothing secret.
   8: All data must be Scientific and Real, no fairy tale BS...
   9: If the entrant chooses, torque and electrical output can be included in the Data. Both must be recorded at the same time.
   10: Major modifications must be passed by the other entrants, but Permanent Magnets can be added.
   
Gee Help me out guys!!! What else?

Also: "beat frequency generation" - Really? You really dont know what this is? What do you think Brad, you think "beat frequency generation" is a good accurate term for what Jim Murray is showing there?

   Chris Sykes
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Sounds like fun Chris.
Im in if you can get Erfinder to accept the challenge as well,as it is he that stated my works are abominations,and my challenge is to those that have much to say about my work,but never have the balls to challenge it.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #218 on: September 02, 2016, 03:19:25 PM »



Brad, none of my posts were directed at you, all at Erfinder and his Fairy Tale Science BS!

I only meant to offend Erfinder, who else do you know that makes 30 second videos showing nothing but Hot Air!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #218 on: September 02, 2016, 03:19:25 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #219 on: September 02, 2016, 05:10:33 PM »

Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.


And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now.  You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to  use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that.  Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent. 


If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming.  The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth.  Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community.  You think you are helping folk, but you aren't.  What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform.  You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned?  So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING.  Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF?  To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread. 


Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...




Retards


So, I guess this is your odd way of accepting this Challange - Brads Build Off Challange? - Put your Work where your Mouth is, let that do the talking for a while!!!

Are you able to squeze out a Yes or No?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #220 on: September 02, 2016, 05:17:34 PM »
@tinman

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Once again,Jim is lost,and dose not know what  AC Induction motor slip is-so he came up with beat frequency generation  [/size]I can(and have) replicated this effect using an !off the shelf! AC induction motor,and variac--it's that simple. At low voltages,where the frequency remains at 50/60Hz,the motor will !slip!. When the voltage gets high enough,the poles of the motor will grab the frequency,and synchronize with it.



You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.


Think of it this way brad, I have two pulleys and a belt connecting them and if the belt is tight then the transmission of force is constant like DC. Now let's loosen the belt and let it start to vibrate like our LC tank does. At which point the inertia of the drive belt itself and it's small loss/gain in motion may periodically increase or decrease the speed of either the drive or load pulley.


We find that the belt oscillation overdrives the load pulley and then because the belt is connecting the two pulley's and oscillating the load pulley then transfers this energy to the drive pulley... then repeats. I know these things because I'm a farm boy and I have a knack for having machinery vibrate itself apart at the drop of a hat.


You can also use a two pendulum system as I have built to show the effect better. Take a lever with a fulcrum in the middle then attach one pendulum to each end of the lever. Set one pendulum in motion and you will see an alternation where one pendulum slows as the other increases then at some point the energy transfer reverses. The pendulum which was increasing is now slowing and the pendulum which was slowing is now increasing. These are oscillating/alternating systems and are easy to understand.


I'm not sure where your going here because I have absolutely no issues proving what you say cannot be done in both mechanical and electrical systems. It's not a problem in fact I have more of a problem trying to get rid of the phenomena than I do creating it.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #221 on: September 02, 2016, 05:19:30 PM »
You can't read......Not no, Hell no....




I have no interest in joining your boy band....HELL NO.  The two of you can work that out on your own.


What are you scared of, no pink crayons at the party?

Put your work where your mouth is. Lets do it.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #222 on: September 02, 2016, 05:51:17 PM »
@tinman


 


Think of it this way brad, I have two pulleys and a belt connecting them and if the belt is tight then the transmission of force is constant like DC. Now let's loosen the belt and let it start to vibrate like our LC tank does. At which point the inertia of the drive belt itself and it's small loss/gain in motion may periodically increase or decrease the speed of either the drive or load pulley.


We find that the belt oscillation overdrives the load pulley and then because the belt is connecting the two pulley's and oscillating the load pulley then transfers this energy to the drive pulley... then repeats. I know these things because I'm a farm boy and I have a knack for having machinery vibrate itself apart at the drop of a hat.


You can also use a two pendulum system as I have built to show the effect better. Take a lever with a fulcrum in the middle then attach one pendulum to each end of the lever. Set one pendulum in motion and you will see an alternation where one pendulum slows as the other increases then at some point the energy transfer reverses. The pendulum which was increasing is now slowing and the pendulum which was slowing is now increasing. These are oscillating/alternating systems and are easy to understand.





AC

OK AC,here is your challenge.
Show me any device that gains energy by way of this !so called! beat frequency phenomena .
I would also advise both your self and Erfinder to put forward your description of what beat frequency phenomena-or what beat frequency is to you?.

Quote
I'm not sure where your going here because I have absolutely no issues proving what you say cannot be done in both mechanical and electrical systems. It's not a problem in fact I have more of a problem trying to get rid of the phenomena than I do creating it.

You lost me her.
What are you referring to ?.

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You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.

No you havnt. The small parallel cap will act only as a smoothing cap-nothing more,and will have absolutely nothing to do with beat frequency generation.

I have provided accurate P/in --P/out measurements for Jims dynaflux generator,and as i stated-it is the worst i have seen.

Here is the truth

To once again quote the title of Jim Murrays video
Man Solves Tesla’s Secret To Amplifying Power By Nearly 5000%

Outright lie.
Said man has designed a generator that is only just above 7% efficient.

Avoided at all cost--the presentation of any accurate power measurements that show this 5000% amplification of power.
Avoided at all cost by way of misdirection by Erfinder,any evidence to back up Jim Murrays claims--the man Erfinder says !is tha man!

So the ball is in your court AC
Provide proof that !actual! beat frequency generation increases the efficiency of a motor or generator.

As i said,Jim is showing inductive frequency slip--nothing to do with beat frequency.

You can prove the beat frequency phenomena for yourself quite easily Brad. Take two brushed DC motors and connect them in series electrically and when you spin one (the generator) the other one (the motor) spins. Now add a small parallel capacitance across the motor and we have effectively added an LC tank circuit to the equation which is what Jim Murray is talking about.

Yes,this i can do in a heart beat,and show you with the scope that there is no beat frequency bollocks involved with this circuit you present.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #223 on: September 02, 2016, 06:00:39 PM »

Ah there he is....the one.....the only.....mr. non existing self assisting oscillations (as seen on his scope....in an hour long presentation where you only hear static noises when he connects and disconnects a coil....rubbish....) ABOMINATION......partnered output coils are a sad joke.....you need three coils, not two jackass....I hope you are taking notes....this is how you offend someone.


And as far as the challenge goes.....you boys got me shaking in my boots....I think I wet myself.....being of the unreasonable, weak sort, you felt it necessary to tag team me, unfortunate, were this not the case, I may have considered, it's out of the question now.  You both have done a piss poor fine job at demonstrating (uh not....) that I only practice junk science.....I am so ashamed....I am a lost cause, cause I see what Jim Murray has and understand how to  use it, I'm stupid because I can respect the significance of generating beat frequencies, and can but won't sight examples of others who have done the same in the past and are doing it today....I am the definition of whatever you say, and you know what, I can live with that.  Why, because what you say to me or about me doesn't sustain, nor take away from who and what I am and represent. 


If you think that you or your partner in crime are going to run me off, because I don't speak the agreed upon language, you got another thing coming.  The smart thing to do would be to ignore me till I put my foot in my own mouth.  Not going to happen, but I will do my absolute best to keep sounding stupid for you two.....You two are at the heart of the problem within the community.  You think you are helping folk, but you aren't.  What are you helping them with, let me see.....ah yes....you are helping them to conform.  You aren't helping them to see things as they choose, as did those who came before the laws were penned?  So much information, so many long videos, so many debates, belittlements, battles, and what do you have to show for all your effort, what do the followers have to show for your effort (don't show me the stuff your groupies have done, not interested in that...) what has anyone gained from your insights, I can sum it up in one word....NOTHING.  Chris.....you spend a lot of time here, things not going well for you and yours in that private group....If I had such a group, I wouldn't be here.....that's just me....You both glorify yourselves, your work, my this my that....you offend my work....blah blah...You ass clowns or as brad says, asshats, (stupid) offend (specifically brad) those who have been working for decades, men with real educations, real experience...WTF?  To hell with you both and anyone else in your posse, you both have nothing, and with any luck, you'll never will have more than that two day old sandwich on your desk with the soft shit butter spread. 


Hot air.....I like that.....lots of good done with hot air....hair dryers....hot air balloons....gliders work on thermals don't they.....BS science can be used to generate hot air....From the junkies mouth, BS has practical value...




Retards

EMJ putting his two cents worth in had nothing to do with me cup cake,so stop being so dramatic  ::)

As for the rest of your post--bla.

How is Jim Murrays dynaflux generator looking now?--just over 7% efficient going by his own numbers in his own video.
Yea--he da man ;)

Where is his 5000% power amplification ?

All proof you will-and do avoid at all cost,just to keep your !Alice in wonderland! fairy tale going.


As i said,Tesla's good name once again dragged through the mud to promote lies.

Epic fail


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #224 on: September 02, 2016, 06:05:13 PM »


Brad, none of my posts were directed at you, snip

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Same here Brad, no problem. The problem is, is that it has become a polarity issue where the group has to pick sides... this is nonsense.


If the different points of view could be presented with less "certainty" and left with a wee bit of wiggle room, then we could add and subtract without hostility taking place.


I want to be on good terms with both parties and not have to chose sides, OK?


Brad, sooner or later we come to understand that 98 % of the world has never heard of us and could care less ...and that of the remaining 2 % most will look favourably on us ... yet there will a tiny minority that hate (rather a strong word) us... that we can do nothing about, except  grin and bear it, no need to get all emotional about it.


So erfinder, you have the option to recognize that your approach is not having the desired effect and to change to a less confrontational style to better get your important message across would be a benefit to all.


Regards, Ron
 

 

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