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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #825 on: November 03, 2016, 02:29:03 AM »
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I ask you this one very simple and well defined question AC[/size]Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  What takes place when matter of one state !changes! into another state ?.


The three states of mater?...do you mean a toe-mater?. Solid, liquid and Salsa.


In any case now your asking me to parrot a standard answer... I don't speak parrot.
There is one state of matter, the particle and three fields associated with particles. Everything else relates to geometry, density, motion and field relationships.  That is my answer.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #826 on: November 03, 2016, 04:12:27 AM »
snip..
Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  ;)
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The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
99% of the visible universe exists in a plasma state, exhibiting characteristics and behaviours unlike those of neutral gases, fluids or solids.
Ironically, plasma is often referred to as the fourth state of matter, yet its sheer abundance and dominance in the universe should rank it as the first state of matter.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #827 on: November 03, 2016, 05:30:16 AM »
The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?
99% of the visible universe exists in a plasma state, exhibiting characteristics and behaviours unlike those of neutral gases, fluids or solids.
Ironically, plasma is often referred to as the fourth state of matter, yet its sheer abundance and dominance in the universe should rank it as the first state of matter.
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"The three states of matter ? Gas, liquid, solid. ? Did you forget the fourth most dominant 'state' of (known) matter : plasma.?..."

The three states of matter : Gas( included cold plasma),liquid,solid !

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #828 on: November 03, 2016, 05:30:48 AM »
I wouldn't go first for water dissociation while I couldn't explain why the oxygen atom - an ion (the same  goes for hydrogen) which has an electrostatic polarity would combine with another oxygen ion. Alike ions would repel, let alone to combine to form O2. School teachings…

I would  go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf

Is that frequency a constant as in “light speed constant” or "water boiling temperature constant”?

Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.

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« Reply #829 on: November 03, 2016, 05:40:21 AM »
I wouldn't go first for water dissociation while I couldn't explain why the oxygen atom - an ion (the same  goes for hydrogen) which has an electrostatic polarity would combine with another oxygen ion. Alike ions would repel, let alone to combine to form O2. School teachings…

I would  go first to ask a simple question: for a simple regular coil, what is a self-resonant frequency as advertised by respected manufacturers datasheets? Here you have an example: http://www.bourns.com/docs/Product-Datasheets/70f_series.pdf

Is that frequency a constant as in “light speed constant” or "water boiling temperature constant”?

Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.


"water boiling temperature constant” defined parameter=constant  undefined parameter = pressure (Pascal/bar/atue)?

One of the arguments why the withdrawing of perpetuum mobile devices by the french "academy of sciences" has been a subjective decision,not fundamental safed by scientifical facts :
a water as refrigerant based thermodynamic (vacuum) engine in an altitude like the Pic of the Montblanc (4800 + X metre) or Mount Everest (8900 + X metre) 
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomchemie.de%2Fdestillieren.htm&edit-text=


http://www.tomchemie.de/Bilder%20Trennungsmethoden/Siedepunkt1.jpg






C.O.P.: ? https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A
In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual power consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil power consumption.

C.O.P.: ? http://www.rexresearch.com/maccanti/maccanti.htm
Test results have shown that a very high shaft horsepower (e.g. 20kW), with an idle speed about 3,000 rpm (revolutions per minute), is obtained by absorbing a negligible power from the electric generator 396 (e.g. 0,07A per 12V, that is 0,84W).

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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #830 on: November 03, 2016, 08:35:00 AM »


Secondly a tiny bitsy question if I may: what the hell makes a coil have it's very own natural self resonant frequency? And again, is this an universal constant?

Only for daring people, trolls have to wait for the answer and report the trend.

There is capacitance within the coil between windings. So all coils, bifi or normal winding, are LC circuits.  You can see it on a scope across an inductor with power applied to the coil then releasing the input. There is not only a spike, but if there is nowhere for the spike to go, you will see the oscillation. It is more pronounced and lower resonant freq if it is bifi winding due to more capacitance to hold charge before the input is taken away.   That has me thinking....

One issue is when we disconnect power from the coil, some or say most of what was stored can escape through spark of the switch, diode to suppress, resistive load, all will dampen the coils oscillation. And its probably hard to get a mechanical switch to open fast enough to beat the collapsing field to avoid sparks across the gap.
But, if say we had a bifi coil that has a lot of capacitance, and when we release the input, the collapse time should be slower due to lower coil resonant freq, of which would hopefully help delay sparking while switch is opening. If it is possible, when you release the input from this coil, if there is no spark loss, the oscillations should be much better than normal circumstances where the collapse is just dampened hard buy say rectifying to a cap and such.  dunno on this part yet. Just thinking

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #831 on: November 03, 2016, 09:01:33 AM »

You refer to the parasitic capacity....capacity which owes its existence to proximity between turns.  This is not the true capacity of the coil.

Just the capacitance value. In a bifi the total capacitance is much greater than a single wire coil. So the resonant freq of the coil itself will be much lower than the single wire coil, of the same dimensions and such.

Along with the inductors inductance storage, the larger capacitance adds to the coils total storage. No?

Mags

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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #832 on: November 03, 2016, 09:25:56 AM »
capacitance ~ compressed lightning/charge cluster         liquid(f.e. gasoline) /solid (f.e. a match )/gas(f.e. plasmatorch)
                       expanded:   lx/lm

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #833 on: November 03, 2016, 09:38:14 AM »

You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity. 


What is capacity?  Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns.  I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....


Regards

I get that the capacitance of a coil, normal or bifi can be seen as a much more complicated thing than just the interaction between 2 adjacent turns. You can pulse the coil and scope it and find the resonant freq and calculate the actual capacitance in action. Otherwise it might be tough figuring a single winding coil otherwise.
Bifi has the unusual voltage differences between adjacent turns and beyond, vs a normal coil.

But I think I described what he wanted to know in my first post above.

Mags

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Offline Jeg

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #834 on: November 03, 2016, 10:21:48 AM »
An interesting use of the term capacity can also be seen at Daniel's mac Farland Cook patent.

... the action then in either the simple or compound helices increases in quantity to the maximum capacity of the wires to conduct with the existing tension of the current....

https://www.google.com/patents/US119825#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #835 on: November 03, 2016, 04:11:34 PM »

You have no problem identifying with a real value as it relates to inductance......I only ask you to consider identifying a real value as it relates to capacity. 

What is capacity?  Knowing what it is in this context, may shed light on why it is not limited to proximity between turns.  I am not concerned with the difference between bifilar single wound inductors, I am only interested in identifying what capacity is, where it is, why it is, and all of this for the purpose of obtaining that which matters most to me.....

Regards


Just by itself an isolated wire has self capacitance  C = q/V

In a coil this becomes "mutual capacitance"

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #836 on: November 03, 2016, 04:49:51 PM »

I am not intersted in parasitic capacity, self capacity, nor mutual capacitance.....  That should narrow it down a bit...

The storage capability? Like volume for instance?

Kind regards, Graham.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #837 on: November 03, 2016, 06:42:20 PM »

Is this the limit of what you know?


Always a put down, is that all you have mastered?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #838 on: November 03, 2016, 07:31:34 PM »
 The universal glue ? The Welt-/Universalgeist also called Daemon ? (Maxwell and Laplace)
 The "Eigen-" Sphere: -Spin ,....


 Capacitance can be something physical but also something physiscal-spiritual(mysterium) !


               Information can ever be in the kind of capacitance. Teleology
                    https://www.britannica.com/topic/teleological-ethics

( Tesla wrote at last about his/the "Marsians"-relationship .)

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« Reply #839 on: November 03, 2016, 08:44:30 PM »

You put yourself down....to answer your question though, I have mastered what I want.  Putting you down isn't on my list of things that I want to accomplish with my life, but you can think that that's my motivation for coming here if it makes you feel better about not having mastered what you want.


LOL, I love it  8)   you are a master!

Ron

 

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