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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #810 on: November 01, 2016, 04:44:13 PM »


What did you show them?
What have they learned from you?
How many here,after countless pages of post,know what you are talking about?

Brad


All too true Brad. When they kicked him out of David B's list I felt that wasn't right, so when I got kicked out also I followed him here.

But from the middle of August 'till now I have learned absolutely nothing. It is rather strange that the three he most disparages have the most edifying forums, you, Chris and Luc have shared your experiments, learning experiences good and bad most beautifully. I got more from Luc's "sharing Ideas on How to Make a More Efficient Motor" in one evening, than in all my time here.

So a real catch 22, I know nothing about what he is saying ---because he has told me nothing. Ah, but the caveat is he has told me nothing because I am too stupid to know what he is talking about.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #812 on: November 01, 2016, 11:12:41 PM »


 Those are for you to figure out on your own, if and when you ever do, we have something of monumental significance to discuss.  I got here on my own, no help.  I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.


What goes around comes around. Garry Stanley had the same problem, he used to say of Norman and myself, you two just don't get it!

Now how many running, working Garry Stanley machines are there in the world today? Just a guess but I would think about the same number as erfinder replications!!!. The same thing with Matt and Dave, big talk but no sharing as they don't have anything that works. Both vehemently promised me they would never ever share anything with me--- ever! So you do have company in your misery.

But thank God for the wonderful, caring, sharing people I have met in this game, I consider them my best friends. It has been very educational, and not always just in electronics.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #813 on: November 01, 2016, 11:38:44 PM »


 I got here on my own, no help.  I expect you to put for the same effort, only then can we see eye to eye.


You do have a sense of humour. Expecting me to follow the same path and put in the same effort when there is absolutely no indication of that path, or which direction the effort should be applied, so that we can meet eye to eye is akin to the old how long would it take 100 monkeys with type writers to write the bible? 

You have my email and Skype handle so when you are ready to share and support my progress just give me a call, OK?
I know you would like to get this out, but an open forum doesn't seem to be working.

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #814 on: November 02, 2016, 12:38:38 AM »

Either you show them what I showed them, or plug your hole.

As i asked before--you showed them what ?.

All that has been seen from you so far,are a couple of video's full of nothingness,and pages and pages of the same.

Here is a fact.
At this very moment,there are those here that are in the middle of building !my! L.A.G.
These are the very same people that you just claimed i would not show my work to--and yet they are building it right now.

Your problem is,because you cant see it,you do not think it is happening--but feel free to ask Ron or Luc if what i say is true  ;)
Accurate and complete build instructions have been given-right down to the complete circuit--where are such from you?  ::)

Show us !your! lenz free generator,as we should stay on topic--!!right!! ?.
And not those big bathroom heaters you have shown so far,like Jim !tha man! Murray's mess.

Prediction--- As has always been the case with you,you will show nothing even remotely resembling 
the topic name--as you are easy to predict  ;)

As i stated early on in this thread,you will share nothing but constant dribble,and as all army members do,you will run from any challenge presented to you,and reject any sort of measurement protocols-->but there will always be those books of secrets  :D


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #815 on: November 02, 2016, 04:40:23 AM »
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You contradict your self AC[/size]Quote: There is no true transformation[/size]Quote: and the kind of motion has changed[/size]To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.I stand by what i say.


It may be that we are both correct.
By definition if I do not see it as truly changing in form or appearance then it has not transformed for me likewise if you see it as transforming then it has changed for you.


Personally I like to make simple mechanical analogies like Tesla did to take some of the mystery out of all this. To reduce the unknowns to something we can wrap our mind around which makes sense to us on some level.


In effect we could imagine a cloud of moving particles as a current with it's internal fields causing an external field to act on another external field...a transfer of force. This force would then cause the mass of charges which make up the rotor to move or rotate. In essense the motion of one group of charges as a current have caused another group of charges as a mass to move through a transfer of energy.


Which begs the question... are there other means to move some charges in some way which could move the charges which constitute a mass more efficiently?. You see it opens up new perspectives concerning what we want and how we could get it versus the same old grind.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #816 on: November 02, 2016, 05:41:42 AM »
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Then i challenge you to take a liter of gasoline,and 1000 cubic meters of air,and make a 100 watt light bulb light for 10 minutes-->without any sort of transformation of the stored energy within the gasoline.[/size]When you have done this,then you may come back and say there was no transformation of energy.


An interesting question.


We know gasoline, a hydrocarbon, will interact with oxygen in air when ignited reducing to carbon dioxide.
Gasoline and air are both made of atoms, the atoms made of charged particles, Proton, Neutron, electron.
When the hydrogen interacts with oxygen the charged particles start oscillating rapidly which we call heat.
This rapid motion of the charges we call heat causes expansion in an engine causing a generator to turn which moves charges in a conductor.
The moving charges as a current excites the material in the filament of bulb causing the atoms or charges to oscillate as well.
This rapid oscillation of the charges in the filament emits electromagnetic energy within the EM spectrum of visible light.


Thus we can say the energy transferred to the system due to the motion of the excited charges in the gasoline/air mixture is not unlike the excited charges in the filament which caused EM energy to radiate as light. At every point in the system we have atoms/charges transferring electromagnetic energy to each other and moving it through the system and only the type of motion of the charges has changed.


After all, we know everything in the universe is made of charged particles and electromagnetic fields and we also know energy and matter are conserved. In fact we could discard all the terms such as molecules, compounds, chemistry, heat, electricity etc... and simply describe what something is and how it acts by describing the geometric relationship of the charges(particle/fields) and the kinds of motion involved.


For instance the hydrogen in gasoline and the oxygen in air do not transform or burn... that is absurd. Obviously both are made of charged particles and EM fields and to suggest charged particles somehow transform or burn is ridiculous. The charged particles EM fields interact causing excitation as very rapid oscillations which is a range of motion we mistakenly call heat.


In any case it seems kind of ridiculous to be using all these terms which never actually describe anything and never tell us exactly what is happening on the most important level. How can anyone ever expect to learn anything of value by using meaningless non-descriptive terms?.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #817 on: November 02, 2016, 07:20:20 AM »
snip...
That which has been demonstrated is restricted to very specific geometric relations, and other factors which none express an interest in.
Regarding specific geometric relations, are you referring to the PHYSICAL geometric relationship between:
a) The magnets and the coil /s ?
b) The coil /s with respect to each other ?
c) Both of the above ?
d) None of the above ?

If none of the above, then what specific geometric relationship is being referred to ?

Regarding other factors, if the other factors are not expressed, there is no reason for others to assume they exist and take any interest in them.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #818 on: November 02, 2016, 09:24:22 AM »
Look deeper, assuming you look deep enough, one can expect the unexpected. [/size]
Hmmm ::) ,reading the "rules of the game" lol and hold these rules in secret ? intimities sphere  :-[  ! Mother nature  :-* ;)


                          honey que se mal y pense ....        summ,summ ,summ, Bienchen summt herum ;D

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #819 on: November 02, 2016, 10:45:18 AM »
@tinman

An interesting question.


We know gasoline, a hydrocarbon, will interact with oxygen in air when ignited reducing to carbon dioxide.
Gasoline and air are both made of atoms, the atoms made of charged particles, Proton, Neutron, electron.
When the hydrogen interacts with oxygen the charged particles start oscillating rapidly which we call heat.
This rapid motion of the charges we call heat causes expansion in an engine causing a generator to turn which moves charges in a conductor.
The moving charges as a current excites the material in the filament of bulb causing the atoms or charges to oscillate as well.
This rapid oscillation of the charges in the filament emits electromagnetic energy within the EM spectrum of visible light.


Thus we can say the energy transferred to the system due to the motion of the excited charges in the gasoline/air mixture is not unlike the excited charges in the filament which caused EM energy to radiate as light. At every point in the system we have atoms/charges transferring electromagnetic energy to each other and moving it through the system and only the type of motion of the charges has changed.


After all, we know everything in the universe is made of charged particles and electromagnetic fields and we also know energy and matter are conserved. In fact we could discard all the terms such as molecules, compounds, chemistry, heat, electricity etc... and simply describe what something is and how it acts by describing the geometric relationship of the charges(particle/fields) and the kinds of motion involved.


For instance the hydrogen in gasoline and the oxygen in air do not transform or burn... that is absurd. Obviously both are made of charged particles and EM fields and to suggest charged particles somehow transform or burn is ridiculous. The charged particles EM fields interact causing excitation as very rapid oscillations which is a range of motion we mistakenly call heat.


In any case it seems kind of ridiculous to be using all these terms which never actually describe anything and never tell us exactly what is happening on the most important level. How can anyone ever expect to learn anything of value by using meaningless non-descriptive terms?.


AC

Lets take the highlighted,and look at that a bit closer--water as fuel.

Water is 2 parts hydrogen,and one part oxygen--but it will not burn in the combined liquid state.
What must happen before that water becomes fuel ?--yes,we must transform that liquid into two gases. When these two gases are ignited,it transforms back to it's original liquid state.
A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #820 on: November 02, 2016, 11:28:06 AM »
                                A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


                               a.  bond force,bond energy
                               b.  fission force,fission energy
                               
                                                 (a=b) : ? 


                            https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=7&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19881020&CC=WO&NR=8808220A1&KC=A1


[Dolby(TM)]  surround photo(n) and phono(n) oscillation force-energy with electricity conversion (conversion: by enrichment or pooring)


                     "Big Bang" and "Ur-Soap" kitchen recipe,


                       physics defines the Nano-sub-atomar-chemistry process
                       included the homeopathical essence substance pooring(some kind of cracking)


                      from pathsearch to pathfind : positive or negative potenzieren also called dynamisieren
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeopathic_dilutions
                                        Potency scales


                      homeopathic synfuels :
                      https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19830330&CC=ZA&NR=8203054B&KC=B


citation: "Hence, one can say the REACTOR TO TRANSMUTE THE MATTER is an apparatus to produce calories For example, if 2,000 cal (two thousand kilo/calories) is introduced in the REACTOR it will be possible to multiply these calories by 100 (a hundred), 1,000 (a thousand) and even 100,000 (a hundred thousand) according to what it is chosen to be used. The only condition to have a progressive multi^plication of the calories without problems is to provide a cooling apparatus like the one used in combustion engines during operation. "                           citation end

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #821 on: November 02, 2016, 06:25:17 PM »
@tinman
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Lets take the highlighted,and look at that a bit closer--water as fuel.[/size]Water is 2 parts hydrogen,and one part oxygen--but it will not burn in the combined liquid state.What must happen before that water becomes fuel ?--yes,we must transform that liquid into two gases. When these two gases are ignited,it transforms back to it's original liquid state.A transformation of gases to liquid has just taken place.


An interesting observation.


We could also say water or H2O is simply two hydrogen atoms(particles and fields) bound to one oxygen atom(particles and fields) though their electro-magnetic fields.


To cause liquid H2O to become separate components such as H2 and O2 gasses we add energy which simply increases the space between the groups of charged particles we call atoms. For example if I had two red balls(H2) and one white ball(O) and added energy which forced the red and white balls apart by a distance should I say the balls have transformed?. Well no they have not transformed they have simply moved further apart.


Thus a transform is dependent on the level at which we visualize something and for you it has changed or transformed and from my perspective it has not really changed. In effect you are trying to argue what you think I should see rather than trying to understand what I see. You are simply looking at the general bulk appearance of something while I am looking at all the parts which make up that something. Which begs the question... what do you hope to gain from viewing everything based on how it appears to you rather than what it is in reality?.


Obviously your not getting this so let's try another example. Fundamentally we know the H and O atoms are groups of charged particles bound by fields we call atoms. Normally we add energy to H2O in the form of a current and the constant electric field of this current produces a brute force which separates the H and O atoms by a distance. We now say the H and O atoms separated by a distance have become gasses. This is one way to separate H2O into H and O atoms however it is a very inefficient way when we consider the reality of what we are doing.


Do you know of any other way?... probably not because you are viewing the problem on completely the wrong level. Fundamentally there are two ways to tear matter(charged particles and fields) apart. 1) we apply a large constant brute force externally or 2) we apply a small intermittent force causing the particle/fields to oscillate in themselves and tear itself apart internally. Not unlike charged capacitor plates we can 1) pull them apart with a constant brute force against the internal forces or 2) cause each plate to oscillate in itself and in turn oscillate with the other plate to such an extent that they fly apart. One is just plain stupid while the other uses a little understanding and a little finesse to accomplish the same result in a more efficient way.


As you say... this is not rocket science. In effect you are always trying to throw hundreds of hand grenades at the exterior of a tank in hopes of breaking it apart. While I understand it would be much easier to simply throw one hand grenade inside and use the tanks own external strength against itself which is it's true weakness. These are common themes relating to how nature actually works beyond the scope of all those superficial things we think we see which were never actually true. Appearances can be deceiving and I seldom trust them as a matter of principal.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #822 on: November 02, 2016, 09:43:42 PM »
balancing magnetic fields is all it is.
throw them off balance and you get a reaction, it can be in your favor or work against you.
that's all Lenz is.
throw it off balance and it works for your goal , instead of against it.
it still takes work to throw it off balance.
the accepted way to build a motor or generator is wrong, it uses more work than you need.
the cogging or Lenz, use that , it is a nice strong force that is a bi-product of motoring and generating
figure out when it manifests' and switch it off or re-direct it.
Nothing will ever work if you keep following the generalized method of motors or generators.
artv

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« Reply #823 on: November 03, 2016, 12:01:55 AM »
balancing magnetic fields is all it is.
throw them off balance and you get a reaction, it can be in your favor or work against you.
that's all Lenz is.
throw it off balance and it works for your goal , instead of against it.
it still takes work to throw it off balance.
the accepted way to build a motor or generator is wrong, it uses more work than you need.
the cogging or Lenz, use that , it is a nice strong force that is a bi-product of motoring and generating
figure out when it manifests' and switch it off or re-direct it.
Nothing will ever work if you keep following the generalized method of motors or generators.
artv


Good advice --- can you tell us more on how you do this?


Thanks


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #824 on: November 03, 2016, 12:40:26 AM »
@tinman

An interesting observation.


We could also say water or H2O is simply two hydrogen atoms(particles and fields) bound to one oxygen atom(particles and fields) though their electro-magnetic fields.


To cause liquid H2O to become separate components such as H2 and O2 gasses we add energy which simply increases the space between the groups of charged particles we call atoms. For example if I had two red balls(H2) and one white ball(O) and added energy which forced the red and white balls apart by a distance should I say the balls have transformed?. Well no they have not transformed they have simply moved further apart.


Thus a transform is dependent on the level at which we visualize something and for you it has changed or transformed and from my perspective it has not really changed. In effect you are trying to argue what you think I should see rather than trying to understand what I see. You are simply looking at the general bulk appearance of something while I am looking at all the parts which make up that something. Which begs the question... what do you hope to gain from viewing everything based on how it appears to you rather than what it is in reality?.


Obviously your not getting this so let's try another example. Fundamentally we know the H and O atoms are groups of charged particles bound by fields we call atoms. Normally we add energy to H2O in the form of a current and the constant electric field of this current produces a brute force which separates the H and O atoms by a distance. We now say the H and O atoms separated by a distance have become gasses. This is one way to separate H2O into H and O atoms however it is a very inefficient way when we consider the reality of what we are doing.


Do you know of any other way?... probably not because you are viewing the problem on completely the wrong level. Fundamentally there are two ways to tear matter(charged particles and fields) apart. 1) we apply a large constant brute force externally or 2) we apply a small intermittent force causing the particle/fields to oscillate in themselves and tear itself apart internally. Not unlike charged capacitor plates we can 1) pull them apart with a constant brute force against the internal forces or 2) cause each plate to oscillate in itself and in turn oscillate with the other plate to such an extent that they fly apart. One is just plain stupid while the other uses a little understanding and a little finesse to accomplish the same result in a more efficient way.


As you say... this is not rocket science. In effect you are always trying to throw hundreds of hand grenades at the exterior of a tank in hopes of breaking it apart. While I understand it would be much easier to simply throw one hand grenade inside and use the tanks own external strength against itself which is it's true weakness. These are common themes relating to how nature actually works beyond the scope of all those superficial things we think we see which were never actually true. Appearances can be deceiving and I seldom trust them as a matter of principal.


AC

I ask you this one very simple and well defined question AC
Using the very well defined scientific terms,please quote the three states of mater  ;)
What takes place when matter of one state !changes! into another state ?.

Brad

 

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