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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #795 on: October 31, 2016, 07:21:06 PM »

Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates.  Alexander, among others recognized this.   Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.


I notice on re-reading your old posts that my description of a motor/generator matches your description very closely. What was the difference you were trying to make?

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I am also dusting my insanely large 12 coil pulse motor and making a few modifications on it so that it to will produce this effect, using 2x of its trifilars as motor coils, and the rest as gen coils which will supply a huge transformer based reactor which amplifies the effect.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #795 on: October 31, 2016, 07:21:06 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #796 on: October 31, 2016, 08:52:07 PM »

Your description is nowhere near what I am suggesting!  You separate the two, just like you are taught to....I do not.....let that sink in.  A motor is a generator!  Comprehend that sir, then approach me, otherwise, you are wasting both of our time.


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  "How am I supposed to gain experience [to be hired for a job] if I'm constantly turned down for not having any?
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #797 on: October 31, 2016, 11:04:32 PM »
whether they are motoring or generating all coils are pumps.
when they pump ,they create opposite waves (magnetic fields).
the opposite fields create waves, which are opposite again the same as the first but at a different time.
when is the best time to induce a coil that is generating , I do it when the coil has produced its' max output
just when Lenz is about to cause drag.
Re-route the generated output to induce motoring.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #797 on: October 31, 2016, 11:04:32 PM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #798 on: October 31, 2016, 11:26:37 PM »
Wow

Never seen so much rocket science being used that dosnt result in liftoff.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #799 on: October 31, 2016, 11:39:18 PM »
Motor Generator,,  Really?

,,.

They are a transfer pump\conversion pump.

My interpretation has always been that Erfinder makes pumps.

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One is called a Motor when it is taking a higher potential and reducing it by some means

No

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One is called a Generator when it is taking a lower potential and increasing it by some means

No

Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.

An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.
An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.
The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #799 on: October 31, 2016, 11:39:18 PM »
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Offline allcanadian

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #800 on: November 01, 2016, 12:53:19 AM »
@tinman
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Both are transformers,that transform one form of energy into other forms of energy.


In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.
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An electric motor takes electrical energy, and transforms it into both heat and mechanical energy.[/size]An electric generator takes mechanical energy,and transforms it into electrical and heat energy.The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy.


In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #801 on: November 01, 2016, 02:40:56 AM »
Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.

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« Reply #801 on: November 01, 2016, 02:40:56 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #802 on: November 01, 2016, 09:48:15 AM »
Hi Tinman, "The potentials of this transformation are always equal,as you cannot create or destroy energy."
I agree 100 percent
Just got to use them at the right time
artv.


25 : 75 dis-/agreement ;
 
50 : 50  a. energy as mass : hyper time-/space- beam ?
25 : 75  b. energy as free mass becomes assimilated


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #803 on: November 01, 2016, 11:07:02 AM »
@tinman

In reality there is no transformation and energy is energy.

In an electric motor the energy of the charges in motion as a current is transferred through a field change to cause the mass of charges of a rotor to move. Simply put the moving electrons as the input current lose energy and the charges in the mass of the rotor gain energy as well as causing the oscillating motion of charges we call heat.
There is no true transformation and only the scale on which the motion takes place and the kind of motion has changed. The change in energy of all the input charges and the change in energy of all the output charges are equal or conserved. If we took a shotgun and shot electrons at our rotor which then caused the rotor to move would we say the energy has been transformed?. Well no we would say it has been transferred from the gun to the rotor through the interaction of the charges and the fields.
We have a really warped way of looking at things in my opinion and it is not all that difficult to understand once we start looking at things from the proper perspective.
AC

You contradict your self AC

Quote: There is no true transformation
Quote: and the kind of motion has changed

To transform-->make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of.

I stand by what i say.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #804 on: November 01, 2016, 11:39:52 AM »
Interesting view, however, I am not wrong as you stated.

Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man in an attempt to compare all things including those that are not the same,, so indeed you can not create or destroy that that is not real.

Now if you care to read where I said "by some means",, I suppose that is rather vague, maybe to simple,, and maybe the visualization of a pump being the IO of an internal system with something external is to simple, but that is how it works.

Just think of how complicated it would get if I were to replace "by some means" with the exact method for all possible conditions, just so it would be exact.

I guess you are not agreeing that when the pump is pumping it is adding\subtracting its input\output energy to\from the potential.

As i stated,any and all energy transformations happen at an equal,where the sum of the energy transformed into what !we! know as another form,will always result in no losses,and all accounted for energy will equal that which created it-->with the exception of only one. ;)

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Energy is not real,, Energy is a tool made by man


That is incorrect.
The entity that we have named !energy! has always existed-the atom has always been,where man is still very young.We have only just begun to try and work out !energy!,and like all things,we gave this entity (energy) a name-like we do with everything,so as we know what we are discussing or talking about. Only the name is man made,and the name given to this entity is energy,and so, energy is real.

Why add unnecessary confusion by saying !energy! is not real ?--your starting to sound like AC :D.
It is funny when you think about it---energy was required to move your fingers across the keyboard to type-energy is not real  ;D

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #805 on: November 01, 2016, 11:45:12 AM »

Energy is transferred between storage mechanism in motors and generators.....energy is not being transformed.  Motors and generators are not transformers, they are devices which facilitate the processing of magneto-dielectric potentialities.

Really

Then i challenge you to take a liter of gasoline,and 1000 cubic meters of air,and make a 100 watt light bulb light for 10 minutes-->without any sort of transformation of the stored energy within the gasoline.

When you have done this,then you may come back and say there was no transformation of energy.

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The first law of thermodynamics, also known as Law of Conservation of Energy, states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed; energy can only be transferred or changed from one form to another. For example, turning on a light would seem to produce energy; however, it is electrical energy that is converted.

Transform-make a marked change in the form, nature, or appearance of
Change (a mathematical entity) by transformation
A process by which one figure, expression, or function is converted into another one of similar value.
Convert-change the form, character, or function of something.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #806 on: November 01, 2016, 12:05:35 PM »
If you really want to see what's going on with energy then I think you need to investigate IF the input energy to the motor, generator or even transformer is really consumed or maybe is dissipated into environment ?

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #807 on: November 01, 2016, 12:42:52 PM »

Fascinating watching you struggle with the concept.  Fascinating watching you grab at straws, resorting to change the channel rather than face the reality that you still have yet to perceive.  You have indicated that you hold to what you stated....Do that and stagnate, it's your business.  I make it my business to see what is and has been right in front of us the entire time, namely, that "energy" a poorly defined term, is a placeholder for something whose quality cannot be quantified.  It is an expression of pure ignorance on our part as we associate quantity on the unqualifiable..... 


Your inability to consider things from this perspective literally stops you from comprehending that it is through charging and discharging the storage mechanism that work is done.  Here you will find Nature standing ready to slam the door in your face yet again, as the term work as it is  used here has nothing to do with what you think it does.  Only one form of work is ever done, find it, and we will be on the same page.  I have very little faith in your ability to find it...

I asked only one thing from you--show the stored energy within the gasoline lighting an electrical light bulb-without transforming the stored energy(chemical energy) within the gasoline,into electrical energy-but as always,you will fail to do so-you will fail to show chemical energy running that light bulb,without transforming that chemical energy into electromagnetic energy.

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I have very little faith in your ability to find it

Odd coming from some one that has shown nothing to date on this thread.
Lots of words,but nothing to show,and nothing has been learnt from those here from you,even after pages of talk.

You are as you have always been--a talker of nothingness.

Another 20 pages will go on,and those here will still have learnt nothing from you.

As one of your adversaries once said-every action has an equal and opposite reaction-->and a counter reaction.
Once you understand this,you(and maybe even your fellow army members)will stop making bathroom heater's,and move onto something that will result in the desired effect.

You seem to think you know far more than others here(including myself),but yet you steer clear of any challenge presented to you.
So i offer up another challenge--a chance for you to see what i have been up to.

The challenge is very simple,and very cheap to produce.
Using only copper,bismuth,steel(as a core material),a permanent magnet,and small solar panel,you are to get a small LED to light,while the solar panel is void/shielded of any light(in complete darkness).The LED is to remain lit for an ongoing amount of time(remains lit until disconnected from the circuit). You may also use a small boost converter to step up the voltage to drive the LED if need be.

The LED,boost converter,and solar panel can be had from a $2.00 garden light,and im sure you could come up with a small copper sheet,bismuth sheet,and steel laminated core.

No batteries are to be used,light is not to be used to provide energy by way of the solar panel.
The only energy source that can be used,is the permanent magnet  ;).

So lets see how much you do know about energy and magnetic fields.

I do however feel that this is far beyond your pay grade,and the challenge will once again not be answered. In stead,we will continue to see pages of words from you,that helps no one here--as has been the case so far.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #808 on: November 01, 2016, 02:06:12 PM »

This from a guy who knows absolutely nothing at all, a wannabe who continues to lead his following on wild goose chase, after wild goose chase, a guy who has a packed video library of his greatest failures on the road to nowhere.  I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges.  Do something useful, show your following how smart you are, what I showed em.

What did you show them?
What have they learned from you?
How many here,after countless pages of post,know what you are talking about?

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I am not intersted in your stupid off subject challenges

My challenges are dead on subject--a lenz free generator.
It is also based around what you deem to know so well--the electric and magnetic fields interactions.

By the way,you spelt interested wrong.
Spell check perhaps ?  ;)


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #809 on: November 01, 2016, 03:35:36 PM »
Energy is a yardstick,, think about what it is describing.

To have energy you must have a gradient of some kind, you must also have something that can interact with that gradient and that item must be able to have caused a change by moving through that gradient.

:)   

This points out that Energy is a specific observation.

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A large bucket (large enough to hold the air and gasoline) on a long string with a long ways to drop,, no chemical transformation needed.

And how dose this provide the electrical energy required to light the light?.
Are you suggesting that the falling/dropping bucket holding the fuel ,will turn a generator that provides the required electrical energy to light the light?
If that is the case,then you are now transforming gravitational energy into electrical energy.
You would also then have to explain as to how the bucket was lifted to the dropping height?
Was it mechanical energy that was used to raise the bucket?
Once the bucket reached it's desired height,and came to rest,it then became potential energy.

The list go's on,there must be a transformation of energy-a conversion,a change,to achieve the desired effect/desired energy--no mater how you try to do it.

Even the humble solar panel is a transformer.
It transforms kinetic energy into electrical energy  ;)


Brad

 

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