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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #780 on: October 29, 2016, 07:41:07 PM »

Mag amp experiments

Ron


Erfinder,

Questions for the day...

Correct me if I am wrong but a "mag amp" is not an amplifier in the sense that it is capable of amplifying source, rather the "amplification" is merely the ratio of control voltage to output voltage? And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.

If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?

In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?

In your builds I "think" I see two different coils, maybe one perpendicular to the rotor and one horizontal?

Or is the mag amp principle active at the coil level?

Are you modulating the coils in some manner? Sort of heterodyne? with the transformer doing the demodulation?

Ron


« Last Edit: October 29, 2016, 09:51:28 PM by i_ron »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #781 on: October 30, 2016, 06:41:32 AM »
Erfinder,
Questions for the day...
Correct me if I am wrong but a "mag amp" is not an amplifier in the sense that it is capable of amplifying source, rather the "amplification" is merely the ratio of control voltage to output voltage? And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?
In your builds I "think" I see two different coils, maybe one perpendicular to the rotor and one horizontal?
Or is the mag amp principle active at the coil level?
Are you modulating the coils in some manner? Sort of heterodyne? with the transformer doing the demodulation?
Ron
All good questions Ron. I'd like to add a few more.
@Erfinder - The machines you've demonstrated so far appear to be radial rotor magnet / coil interface designs.?
Or at least, thats how they appear on camera.

Have you built any coaxial rotor (planar) magnet / coil interface designs and utilized the same principle of operation. ?
If so, how does the coaxial design performance compare with radial designs?
Is the principle on which your system works applicable to a wide range of coil design and placement?
Cheers

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #782 on: October 30, 2016, 07:16:23 AM »
snip...
And while inductance is variable ohmic resistance is still present.
If that is the case, then what is the advantage of using it in a 'motor/generator'?
snip...
Ron
If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
I asked myself exactly the question you just did, then thought to myself, well, let's find out.
The positive result was rather unexpected.

If your memory, like mine, ain't what it used to be, here's a refresher link, the relevant pages are 12 to 14.
Transformer use begins on page 13..... http://adams.5gbfree.com

Cheers

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #782 on: October 30, 2016, 07:16:23 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #783 on: October 30, 2016, 03:17:53 PM »


In your case are the transformers being used as mag amps?


Ron



No


Erfinder


Are you using the transformers as a delay lines?


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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #784 on: October 30, 2016, 05:02:44 PM »

Only an authority is in the  position to correct you if you are wrong, I am no authority.  I cannot agree with what you say as my perspective is different from yours.  Where we can agree is your view is the one which has been handed down to us by industry.  They reveal to us time and time again that our best interest is not in their best interest.

Inductance is the variable being manipulated.  Resistance is still present, assuming it is present.  The text books inform us of what inductance is, in closed circuits but sheds no light as to what it is in open circuits. 

Define "motor/generator".  Your definition is not my definition.                                                                                                                               
The advantage can be comprehended only after you have acquired the necessary understanding of what  a motor/generator is.
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erfinder your patience and reply's are reasonable and much appreciated!

Thanks

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #785 on: October 30, 2016, 05:23:20 PM »
If you recall Ron, some 5 years ago I directed you to an experiment I did using a series motor coil / transformer configuration.
I asked myself exactly the question you just did, then thought to myself, well, let's find out.
The positive result was rather unexpected.

If your memory, like mine, ain't what it used to be, here's a refresher link, the relevant pages are 12 to 14.
Transformer use begins on page 13..... http://adams.5gbfree.com

Cheers


My memory is just like the link says, "This web page is not available", LOL

Will try again later for the web page but my memory tends to favour events from 40 or 50 years ago with more clarity than last week or  5 years ago. All I remember from then is the developing of our friendship as a pleasant and rewarding time.

Good to see you on board here --- we can share notes again.

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #786 on: October 30, 2016, 05:31:07 PM »

Are you going to define what you mean by motor/generator?


A generator with motor coils to provide the rotation. The generator function from either separate coils or recovery from the motor coils.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #787 on: October 30, 2016, 05:48:17 PM »

You have adopted the standard view....

Question.....

Does a motor generate?


Yes. Alexander seemed to think so but I was not able to decipher how

Ron


PS: sunny but cool (8C) just going to have coffee before we go for our Sunday walk... be back later


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #788 on: October 30, 2016, 08:58:10 PM »

Without exception, as far as I know....every motor generates.  Alexander, among others recognized this.   Once this is accepted, a great deal of time and energy is invested in trying to find a method through which the output of the generator operating inside the motor while motoring, can be redirected from the supply to an external load.

Enjoy your coffee, the weather, your walk, and the company.


Thank you, it was enjoyed, the weather cool and crisp--- more like a November day than a spring day, lol

speaking of heterodyne-ing, I am reminded of what armagdn 03 said:

"Consequently I also posted an interesting way to accomplish this many moons ago. The idea is to use two transmitters, eccentric to each other, to create a beat frequency between the two.The beat frequency will be orders of frequency different from the transmitters, and so will be far outside their bandwidth. (Meaning that the BEMF of the pick up will not really be seen by the transmitters, thus not affecting their Q and resonant rise.)The pick up should be tuned to the beat frequency. When the pick up is also biased with a magnet to give it a coherent magnetic field AND set its bias point, the beat frequency will scatter the domains during one portion of the cycle, and let them re-cohere the next portion of the cycle, hence the term Degaussing Generator"


I knew that the computer could read the CEMF but not ways to redirect it from the supply--- continue please

And a graph I should have studied closer.

Ron



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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #789 on: October 30, 2016, 09:07:15 PM »
https://web.archive.org/web/20090922025637/http://www.georg-andresen.de/vollpol_synchron.html


Die Vollpoll-Synchronmaschine
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Wir hatten uns zuletzt mit der Frage beschäftigt, was passiert, wenn wir beim zugeschalteten Generator im Leerlauf den Erregerstrom erhöhen. Das Ergebnis ist nach Glchng.(2) ein Strom I(1) > 0. Bild 8 a) zeigt die Auswirkung: Die SpannungskomponentejX*(1)*I(1) liegt in Richtung der Netzspannung U jedoch aufgrund der Vorzeichens entgegengesetzt. Der resultierende Strom I(1) eilt der Spannungskomponente jX*(1)*I(1) um 90° nach. Gegenüber der Netzspannung U eilt der Strom I(1) um 90° vor .Das bedeutet: Die Maschine wirkt in diesem Fall als Kondensator.Bild 8b) zeigt die Auswirkung , wenn bei Leerlaufbetrieb die Polradspannung verkleinert wird: U(p) < U Bei gleichgerichteten Spannungskomponenten U und jX*(1)*I(1) eilt der Strom I(1) auch der Spannung U um 90°nach.Die Maschine arbeitet als Induktivität.
Dieses Verhalten (Phasenschieber) wird gelegentlich ausgenutzt, um mit reinen Blindleistungen die Stromnetzsituationen zu verbessern, indem z.B. die sehr oft induktiven Stromverbraucher kompensiert werden. (Verbesserung des cos j- Wertes)


for no-german-analphabets:
 We had finally dealt with the question of what would happen if we increased the exciter current when the generator was connected at idle. The result is, according to equation (2), a current I (1)> 0. Figure 8 a) shows the effect: however, the voltage component jX * (1) * I (1) is opposite in the direction of the mains voltage U due to the sign. The resulting current I (1) follows the voltage component jX * (1) * I (1) by 90 °. In contrast to the mains voltage, the current I (1) is 90 °. This means that the machine acts as a capacitor in this case. Figure 8b) shows the effect when the rotor voltage is reduced during idle operation: U (p) <U In Rectified voltage components U and jX * (1) * I (1), the current I (1) also follows the voltage U by 90 °. The machine operates as an inductance.
This behavior (phase shifter) is occasionally exploited to improve the power conditions with pure reactive power, e.g. The very often inductive power consumers are compensated. (Improvement of the cos j value)

in search for:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre-Simon_Laplace
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laplacescher_Dämon  and not the Maxwellian one

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #790 on: October 30, 2016, 10:13:09 PM »
My memory is just like the link says, "This web page is not available", LOL
snip....


Strange.... link works for me. LOL. Perhaps I'm in the twilight zone.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #791 on: October 31, 2016, 12:35:09 AM »

Strange.... link works for me. LOL. Perhaps I'm in the twilight zone.


Nope, not working yet with either Chrome or Firefox.

Would you like to run it here or off list?

I am, ronee "at" telus.net

Thanks, Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #792 on: October 31, 2016, 08:26:15 AM »
wifi intercommunication :
http://rexresearch.com/maiche/maiche.html


intercommunication between fixed/distance variabel capacitive plates ?




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #793 on: October 31, 2016, 04:09:59 PM »

I knew that the computer could read the CEMF but not ways to redirect it from the supply--- continue please

And a graph I should have studied closer.

Ron


erfinder,

figure 32 in the previous post--- I tend to think of a magamp as having an input, an output and a control voltage. Are you using magnets to set the amp to the linear level or a bucking coil?

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #794 on: October 31, 2016, 06:44:53 PM »

For the last time....I do not have a magamp, the similarity my concept may have to a magamp is irrelevant.  Among other things, the reactive network functions as an impedance mismatch.  What you think you know needs to be placed on the side....it will not aid you in understanding what I am suggesting.


Not really a problem, more that of, what is the word I want when you call something by different names? as in a 2015-02- post you said...


quote: I know this because all of my machines are built around the concept of controlled saturation, my machines are Magnetic Amplifiers.

so you must pardon my connectivity jump between controlled saturation and magamps.

Ron





 

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