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Offline web000x

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #750 on: October 23, 2016, 04:01:46 PM »
If you give it some thought, you will conclude that all devices whose operation is built around "changing" magnetic fields, all operate as both transformers and generators.  Murray's configuration enables one to investigate the relations between transformer and generator action from a slightly different perspective to the one we are versed in.  Many are mistaking his presentation for an end all.  It is not, many forget how old this topology is, and who perfected it to a high degree before abandoning it.  What we see here is far removed from the "ideal" physical geometry and yields the poorest relations between inducer and induced. 

 


You must try and understand how to establish the proper relations without reducing maximum coupling capability of the system.  If this is the direction you want to go in, keep in mind I do not consider it the right one, the following are a few prerequisites....


    - induced wave must be asymmetrical
    - stator coils and rotor magnets equal in number
    - identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced


The type of generator we are all after is not the type of generator we all build...  Appreciate what we have been given, understand that you have what you want already, comprehend that you always had it!  Recognize that this sought after thing was preserved by the very same individuals who inform us that it doesn't exist. You need not look any further than your conventional pulsed DC machine....I keep saying the same thing, check the record, unlike many, I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.


Lol, I am not mistaking this device for an 'end all'.  I have yet to really get started...  You must crawl before you walk.  I spent the entirety of last year focused on Jim Murray's SERPS concept.  I did not get very far..   Therefore, I built the prerequisite transforming generator in hopes that I may gain some insight into what it is that Jim is doing with his SERPS.


It is not that none of us are listening.  Maybe we are completing tasks that we had committed to before we stumbled upon this thread..  I fully intend on getting to investigating some of the concepts you've suggested.  Not all has fallen on deaf ears.




    - induced wave must be asymmetrical

Are you suggesting that the magnetic field should be asymmetrical or that the coil geometry should be asymmetrical to produce the asymmetry of which you speak?





- identify geometry which guarantees maximum coupling between inducer and induced

I am unsure of how much tighter I can couple a magnetic field with this configuration..  Does this 'maximum coupling' hint have anything to do with the coupling between the coils on the stator?  Or is it the coupling between the magnetic field from the rotor and the stator?


Thanks,

Dave

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #750 on: October 23, 2016, 04:01:46 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #751 on: October 23, 2016, 04:57:26 PM »


I have been saying the same thing for years....and over the same span of time, none of you are listening.




"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."
 
But presented as a riddle, perhaps if you changed the riddle into a guideline then more people would understand?

Just my two cents, 'cause people are listening, just waiting for something of substance

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #752 on: October 23, 2016, 05:05:43 PM »
Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  snip

It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...

Dave


Great experiment Dave, thanks for sharing. It is along the line of some of my favourite patents Toroidal generators that is... so disappointing to hear of the increased draw.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #753 on: October 23, 2016, 05:15:03 PM »

@Erfinder, thank you for all of that.  I will think about that when I pursue my  pulsed DC tests. 



Murray informed you people that the transforming generator was developed for exploring the difference between EMF and potential, is there is a difference.......that's no longer a question I need answered, ergo lack of question mark.



My dogma.


The transforming generator is a pretty simple, very effective learning device.  It may not be where you are trying to lead people but sometimes we have to take our own detours.  I am a visual, hands-on learner.  This is how I operate.  Somebody telling me something works doesn't really mean much to my intuitive understanding.


Jim Murray stated that there are aspects to the TG that he didn't fully pursue and that are worthy of further research..


Dave

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #754 on: October 23, 2016, 05:28:48 PM »

For crying out loud!  Murray shows you in a machine that you should expect increased consumption!  One's inability to comprehend how to take advantage of the consumption increase is not the problem of the person making the presentation.


I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.


Yes, there is definitely increased consumption as expected.  This is what I find interesting as Jim says that his machine was destroying energy at a rate of about 2:1.  I get similar results when I perform the test on my device of paralleling both outputs and short circuiting the windings.   I  get about 75 Watts worth of i^2R losses in the output windings and it takes about 150 Watts to run my prime mover.  It takes 30 watts to run the motor generator set with no load.   150W - 30W - 75W = 45W OF UNACCOUNTABLE POWER.  I don't think this is ending up as 45W of eddy currents..  I must do more tests but so far is does seem like it is disappearing energy..


Dave

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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #755 on: October 24, 2016, 12:46:15 AM »

....think about that before you post your rebuttal..... 



Rebuttal is too strong a word --- it was intended as light hearted banter.


But no, I don't like the conversation that we are in and would love to move it to a higher plane. However, the opportunity was for a snide remark... so I will wait for a better opening.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #756 on: October 24, 2016, 05:29:05 PM »
snip

I could demonstrate with ease, controlled consumption increase, Lenz's law INVERTING, but in light of this, your expression of disappointment regarding consumption increasing, the demo would be for nothing, as your mind is made up.


For example in US 7538524 b2, the statement is made that: "Since there is essentially no magnetic flux leaving the stator there is essentially no flux field interaction with the rotor" (shortened quote)

I have done experiments along this line with toroidal cores and I have not seen this to be true. Dave reports the same.

So my mind is quite open to have you demonstrate controlled consumption for us ... go for it.

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #757 on: October 24, 2016, 09:31:35 PM »

https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24


Excellent, thank you very much.

My tale of woe now is there is not enough detail for me to fully comprehend what is taking place. How the coils are wound? looks like one coil stacked on top of another in some shots, how they are connected, the construction of the 'reactor' and how it is wired into the circuit and why the light bulb doesn't blow up when hit with that spike!

Thanks again,

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #758 on: October 24, 2016, 11:48:49 PM »

https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24


Thank you for that.  Like I said, I'm a visual learner.  I will look into this as soon as I get some more mosfet drivers..

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #759 on: October 25, 2016, 10:18:46 AM »
Hi Efinder, In the video when you shut off the pulse supply there was that flash.
The flash should occur everytime the pulse goes off should it not?
I mean the pwm is constantly turning on and off when it is operating is it not?
That spike of power I believe is occurring constantly in any motor or generator and that is what I'm storing in my cap banks to later be used for motoring.
By not using a constant power supply I think that spike happens alot more.
I'm not sure if what I'm doing is the same or not.
Thanks for taking the time.
artv

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #760 on: October 25, 2016, 04:51:36 PM »

\You people aren't dealing with the proper energy, and don't seem to even want to familiarize yourselves with it.


Despite yourself you do occasionally slip up and include some real information.

That was a radiant pulse, or cold electricity was it not?

I have dinked around with 'bucking coils' before now and because I never knew what to look for was unable to measure it with, "conventional meters", duh

I think Harold Aspden had started on this path?

Now the nitty gritty is how to recognize this when it happens and get on more familiar terms with it.

Thanks,

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #761 on: October 25, 2016, 07:48:21 PM »
Quote from: Erfinder
https://youtu.be/NWtcpdQ5h24

Just had to take a peek at what all the commotion was about.

Very cool.  I like how the lamp shows the beat frequencies as the MG works it's way through the RPM range.  Consumption is also quite prevalent--clearly generation is no longer working against the prime mover allowing significant energy storage to take place.  Nice work crossing the (forbidden) line in the sand with this machine.  No more doubt in my mind that the equations describing these devices can be cut apart and rearranged as desired.  If one can think it, so can one do it.  There's no universal law forcing things to be a certain way.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #762 on: October 25, 2016, 08:52:19 PM »
Hi Erfinder, "You aren't storing this....not even close, you are not it, it being the system!"
Are you sure?

" You aren't even aware of the fact that it, the system can store energy in the manner I suggest, well....you are now...." I think I do it in a different manner.
"It would be brilliant if you people stopped assuming, stop thinking you know what's going on here, you dont."
Are you sure?

"In the demonstration I show that all of the power being recovered (you have no idea what the term "recovery" "occults" from you..) is being thrown away, literally.  I inform you of exactly where the pulse is coming from, when the PWM is removed, and offer a suggestion of why....clearly this was ignored.  "

Sorry I must have missed this, My recovery cap banks ,when connected  use less drive cap supply...that is when the recovery caps are connected , the motoring caps don't drop as quick.

"I want to make one thing crystal clear, I am not intersted in what any of you are doing.  You may want to take more than just a passing interest in what I am doing..."

I am interested ,I read Grumages' pdf sounds similar maybe I'm wrong.
Not trying to offend anybody just trying to learn.
Your posts are quite cryptic though.

artv

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #763 on: October 26, 2016, 12:27:55 AM »

  Only a select few have what it takes to lift themselves into the air by their own boot straps, as for the rest.... the best they can look forward to is a slow stagnation.


Erfinder, can I ask you a question? do you recognize anyone on this forum with this syndrome?

Signs and symptoms. People with narcissistic personality disorder are characterized by their persistent grandiosity, excessive need for admiration, and a disdain and lack of empathy for others. These individuals often display arrogance, a sense of superiority, and power-seeking behaviors.

Ron
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #764 on: October 26, 2016, 09:53:18 AM »
"You have no idea what I am talking about when I refer to my reactive network.... "

My idea is that I transfer the actions of the coil to cap banks, whereas I Think you store or maybe just re-route and use the actions within the coil itself.

Thinking there is only one way to achieve a certain goal is in itself stagnation.
artv


 

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