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Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 261816 times)

Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2016, 09:53:58 PM »

  This leads to an even deeper insight, namely the ability to view the coil as it is, specifically as a generator coil which is periodically biased so as to generate both a motoring force and self excitation.


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OK, thanks to Grum I have seen the video.


But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?


Very nice build and well filmed incidentally.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2016, 09:53:58 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #76 on: August 07, 2016, 11:10:35 AM »
The demo was not an instructional video, it was not my intention to share the coil geometry, nor reveal specifics of what was being shorted.  The purpose was to demonstrate the effect of acceleration in an air core motor-generator of moderately low inductance and resistance.  A second video was shot demonstrating the exact same effect using a system of even lower inductance and resistance values, however, it was decided that one vague video was enough.
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I still hope you'll reconsider your position on sharing your configuration details.
Cheers

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2016, 11:19:17 AM »
snip...
But being thick, as usual, I have not understood the coil geometry nor how you are applying the short and to what?
snip..
Ron
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #77 on: August 07, 2016, 11:19:17 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #78 on: August 07, 2016, 01:41:52 PM »
Given that Erfinder has offered no operational information or details, you are no thicker than the rest of us non clairvoyants Ron.
Cheers

Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2016, 05:03:55 PM »
Nor will you ever see such information ::)

Less talk,and more action,comes to mind.

Having an opinion on some one else's work is fine,but dose not hold much weight when you have nothing much to show your self.
Like the rest of us Hoptaod-->just  !guess! lol.


Brad


Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!


Being a recent forced retiree  of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out"  forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group?  LOL


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« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2016, 05:03:55 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #80 on: August 08, 2016, 01:02:45 AM »

Ah, but it is good to see everyone posting in the spirit of camaraderie!


Being a recent forced retiree  of a certain "120 watts in and 800 watts out"  forum, I was trying to come up with a catchy name for this group?  LOL


Ron

Ah-did that involve a UFO  :D


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2016, 01:17:36 AM »









 




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I am in no hurry to share anything with you.  You got everyone thinking you got it all figured out anyway.  I am enjoying the sideline laughing my ass off at your conjecture.  The longer one reads your posts and views your presentations, and then does ones own homework, and compares what one learns from what one reads /views from you, the more one sees that you are just as lost today as you were when you first started....

The fact that i can nail it every time,in many different configurations says otherwise.
I know exactly what is happening,and can build the device to make use of this effect.

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That one vague video of mine reveals more about what can be done, and the path which should be taken than your LAG, a title which has no justification, ever will. The thing I get the biggest kick out of is recognizing that you have no idea where the power you are desperately seeking is supposed to be coming from.  Its depressing watching you struggle with the concepts surrounding the acceleration concept, its even more depressing watching you drag the gullible from experiment to experiment and then dropping them off there, leaving them with the same questions that they started with.  If this weren't enough, the constant bitching and complaining and whining has literally stripped you of all street credit.  The scope and meters are more important than the ideas, and anyone who thinks opposite is an idiot?  I am fed the fuck up with all this, your term RUBBISH, and I am not alone, but the others will not voice their opinion, oh well....some one has to say something.

Sorry Erfinder,but you are only fooling your self. That last video of yours shows nothing at all--nothing. No power measurements,no explanation of the configuration-nothing,and yet you think it shows us everything we need to know  :o

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And all this from a guy who has yet to graduate from the SG circuit....This from a guy who has replicated every promising pulse motor concept, making it your business to show that the person you are replicating doesn't know what hes doing.  You sir don't know what you're doing, but you like to lead others to believe you do, fine and dandy, gonna need to draw out a map for all those garden paths you've led folk down.  One of my favorite fuck ups of yours pertains to the Zero Force Motor, I thought it was really amusing how you went out of your way to suggest that your misnamed concept is superior to that concept, its not, and you would know this had you done your homework on the subject, the concept and the associated principles, known and unknown to the public are old.  The LAG is an abomination, a sick joke being played on the gullible, and a slap in the face to all who paved the way, you would be wise to review history.

A big opinion from some one so small,and i see yet another JB fanatic desperately clinging to the rubbish pile.

Perhaps you would like to put your theory to the test,and take me on in a build off?--put your money where your mouth is ;)
Perhaps you put your little motor that we got to see in your latest video-->or should i say-only video of late,up against my latest creation--both of which shows this acceleration under load.
Electrical P/in,and mechanical,electrical and heat P/out.

What do you say Erfinder--you up for that ?

I always find it amusing to see people put my work down,but come to the crunch,they normally go running when it comes time to put there devices or theories up against mine.

Sorry Erfinder,but i have to laugh when you state that your video showed us so much,when in fact,it showed nothing at all.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #81 on: August 08, 2016, 01:17:36 AM »
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Offline hoptoad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #82 on: August 08, 2016, 09:04:10 AM »
snip...
My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase!  This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards
This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing. Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.

Your statement 'motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker', reflects the results of a round of experiments with air cores I did a few years ago. My approach was/is completely unlike yours I gather, hence my curiosity about the parameters of your machine is piqued.
While I acknowledge your right to keep your configuration to yourself, I still hope you'll reconsider sharing. This is after all, an open discussion forum.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #83 on: August 08, 2016, 11:53:15 AM »
Consumption be damned! Especially with electric drag racing. Extra torque as the revs go up can mean the difference between win or bin.

Your statement 'motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker', reflects the results of a round of experiments with air cores I did a few years ago. My approach was/is completely unlike yours I gather, hence my curiosity about the parameters of your machine is piqued.
While I acknowledge your right to keep your configuration to yourself, I still hope you'll reconsider sharing. This is after all, an open discussion forum.
Cheers

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My method results in the "desired" effect, namely, consumption must increase!  This leads to your motor becoming stronger with increasing RPM versus weaker as is the case with the classical acceleration under load demonstrations.
snip...
Regards

And mine decreases the required P/in,but increase the torque with a gain in RPM.

As i stated before,the lorentz force must be increased-not decreased as many believe.

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This is the area of interest for me. THE TORQUE CURVE. Any electric motor that exhibits a high RPM torque and not just low end torque is perfect for electric motor racing.

In order to do this,you must maintain current flow value throughout the RPM range,without having to increase the voltage.
This is what i have achieved with the L.A.G. Current value is maintained by increasing (what most refer to here as) Lenz,not decreasing !!Lenz!!.
Lenz is a law,and so using lorentz force is more applicable here.

It is a miss-belief that in order to gain acceleration under load,you must decrease !Lenz!,when in fact,to maintain current flow,while your electric motor still acts as a generator also,is to increase the lorentz force--and there is only one way to do that,and it is opposite to what others are trying to do.

Below are two video's where my research into this !speed up under load! started.
The first one shows not only a gain in torque,but a decrease in power consumption also.
The second video shows the RT up against an !off the shelf! motor,in way of a house fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xRcSkPYn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpJ97M58G4


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Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #83 on: August 08, 2016, 11:53:15 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #84 on: August 08, 2016, 02:42:26 PM »
Brad
I'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
Cheers

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #85 on: August 08, 2016, 04:00:25 PM »

That's funny....







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Brad would have everyone's attention, maybe even mine if he finished what he started, he won't.....so hes no better than he says I am.

What you mean to say is-i am un aware if Brad has finished what he started.
Just because you cannot see something,dosnt mean it's not there.

OU is not the only forum i am on,and there is another very few people know of,and not all is found on youtube  ;D


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #86 on: August 08, 2016, 04:01:33 PM »
I'm aware of your RT work Brad. However, in this instance, I am more curious about Erfinders AIR core configuration.
Cheers

No problem hoptaod,i hope Erfinder can help you out.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #87 on: August 08, 2016, 09:40:16 PM »



For those interested in the Zero force Motor


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #88 on: August 08, 2016, 11:55:00 PM »
And mine decreases the required P/in,but increase the torque with a gain in RPM.

As i stated before,the lorentz force must be increased-not decreased as many believe.

In order to do this,you must maintain current flow value throughout the RPM range,without having to increase the voltage.
This is what i have achieved with the L.A.G. Current value is maintained by increasing (what most refer to here as) Lenz,not decreasing !!Lenz!!.
Lenz is a law,and so using lorentz force is more applicable here.

It is a miss-belief that in order to gain acceleration under load,you must decrease !Lenz!,when in fact,to maintain current flow,while your electric motor still acts as a generator also,is to increase the lorentz force--and there is only one way to do that,and it is opposite to what others are trying to do.

Below are two video's where my research into this !speed up under load! started.
The first one shows not only a gain in torque,but a decrease in power consumption also.
The second video shows the RT up against an !off the shelf! motor,in way of a house fan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6xRcSkPYn4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szpJ97M58G4


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Brad



@Brad - The "Lorentz Force" may not be clear to many, as it is the total Force (F) exerted on a Charge (e) when moving with Velocity (v) in a Magnetic Field (B) - See Below Image.

See:  Lorentz  force

I agree with what you’re saying, and yes it is a case of Increasing and not decreasing the Forces we are working with. In the immediate localised area.

Decreasing is specifically meant in a context, from Output to Input, not in the total System. Which is what the RT shows as we all know!

@All:
Anytime Electromagnetic Induction Occurs, there is a High Stress Area between the Source (Primary) and the Destination (Secondary), the same is true between any array of Coils that Electromagnetic Induction occurs between. It is true that any Magnetic Field Changing in Time can invoke Electromagnetic Induction!!! Weather this Magnetic Field be the 1st or the 7th…

Count all the Fields in your device, understand each one and where it is coming from! Understand that each Magnetic Field changing in Time can be the Source for Electromagnetic Induction again, and the chain goes on…



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #89 on: August 09, 2016, 12:27:37 AM »


What I mean is exactly what I said!


Regarding your RT, I'm not looking.....because I am not interested.  I am just voicing what I pick out of the ether chatter......

 

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