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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #735 on: October 17, 2016, 08:34:20 PM »


OK, the test procedure was a five strand coil, with two strands in series being powered. Using a transistor to short one of the remaining strands reduced the output by one half, at least.

So coil shorting in this case is non-productive.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #736 on: October 18, 2016, 03:17:59 AM »
Hi Ron,

Where are you recovering from?

How long are you shorting the other coil?



I was recovering from the powered coils

As Carroll said, both pulses the same length

My theory of the moment is that turns ratio is critical, so I should have had less turns and a shorter pulse on the short (as you pointed out)

Thanks, Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #737 on: October 18, 2016, 12:18:59 PM »
Hi guys,

Please go back and look at the schematic I posted in post 755.  I pulsed the primary with one half of the secondary shorted.  I collected the collapsing energy from the secondary.  I have not had time to try collecting from the primary so I don't know how well that would work with this test.  I was using a normal off the shelf Radio Shack small transformer as you can see in the video.  The primary is rated at 120 volts and the secondary is center tapped with 12-0-12 output.  I also was only pulsing the primary with 12 volts but the cap on the secondary still went well above that.  If you watch the video again you can see the effect on the scope of having the shorting action or removing the shorting action.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #738 on: October 18, 2016, 05:27:57 PM »
Hi guys,

Please go back and look at the schematic I posted in post 755.  I pulsed the primary with one half of the secondary shorted.  I collected the collapsing energy from the secondary.  I have not had time to try collecting from the primary so I don't know how well that would work with this test.  I was using a normal off the shelf Radio Shack small transformer as you can see in the video.  The primary is rated at 120 volts and the secondary is center tapped with 12-0-12 output.  I also was only pulsing the primary with 12 volts but the cap on the secondary still went well above that.  If you watch the video again you can see the effect on the scope of having the shorting action or removing the shorting action.

Carroll


Carroll, I was not implying that your circuit didn't work --- just that I wondered if could be transposed to a JB coil. Well I found out that it doesn't work that way.


I keep in mind Edison's quote, I should print it out and put it above my bench --- "I have not failed, just found ten thousand things that don't work"


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #739 on: October 18, 2016, 06:31:22 PM »
Ron,

I didn't think you were implying it didn't work.  I was just trying to help you to get it to work.   Also getting the polarity right on the pulsing side will make a big difference on the secondary side.   I used my scope to make sure I was hitting the collector of the shorting transistor with a positive going pulse when I pulsed the primary.  I still want to try some other ideas but have been very busy with family obligations.  I  think erfinder suggested I not pulse the primary so I guess that means to pulse one side of the secondary or maybe all of the secondary.  So many things to try and so little time.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #740 on: October 19, 2016, 05:11:14 AM »
Does anybody have Erfinder's most recent posts in a pdf format? 

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #741 on: October 20, 2016, 06:28:06 PM »

Why?


Because I am trying to be as lazy as possible in reviewing some of the things you've posted on this thread...


I've built a Murray inspired Transforming Generator replication out of an old permanent magnet servo motor and would like read some of the statements you've made while I study the device.  It is a very interesting device indeed.  So far it does most of what Jim said that it does but I have much more to learn from it...  I'll post some pictures and data in time.


Dave




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #742 on: October 21, 2016, 09:53:43 PM »

Why?


Because you are well thought of on this forum and your ideas are well received. But memory being what it is we at times fail to remember what you said and in what context, so a PDF is an excellent mnemonic. There is an old PDF floating around that everyone has seen but we lack your more important latest posts.


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #743 on: October 22, 2016, 07:55:20 PM »
Does anybody have Erfinder's most recent posts in a pdf format?


There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums


Ron


Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #744 on: October 22, 2016, 08:44:28 PM »

What is the point in posting this?  What you think is relevant with regards to what "I" share is irrelevant.  If people want to know more about what I have said, or will say, they should focus on what is said when it's said, and then come up with applicable questions.  You have no idea what I am trying to share nor why I am trying to share it.  The time you just invested in making that last post, you could have invested in asking proper questions of your own.  I hope you understand my position and my reason for no longer being motivated to help any of you understand any more than you think you do already about what it is that I would like for you to experience......


LOL, I didn't do it for you, that was for Dave. Let him answer if it is relevant.


But in this case by relevant I mean I left out the mud slinging posts.


Lastly, I really enjoyed doing that. It was some posts where you actually say something and even give some numbers.


I was learning.


Tough tittie if that bothers you.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #745 on: October 22, 2016, 10:25:23 PM »
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A changing magnetic field will induce a voltage\current kind of thing,, moving current creates a magnetic field, the more current the more field,, so a moving or changing magnetic field creates current flow.  The field that is created is by the current motion at the second you are viewing the field,, so all the build up current is not so much used,, if you will.


Like a snake chasing it's tail, when a charge moves it creates a magnetic field change proportional to it's motion. Thus it should be obvious the charge cannot move faster or slower than the magnetic field change it created without a force evolving to oppose it's change in motion. Normally the charge motion must always be in lock step with it's own magnetic field and when you find a solution to solve this problem you will find your answers.
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The thought then would be that if you created an impulse electric current flow that that would stimulate a reactionary magnetic current to flow, which then could be used to induce electric current to flow, both on the impulse reaction as well as the collapse of the magnetic field that is driving the magnetic current.


The creation of a magnetic field is the reaction force to an accelerating charge limiting it's acceleration thus limiting the process of true induction. Creating more magnetic fields which all limit charge motion thus induction is obviously not the answer were looking for. It's like building an airplane which can never leave the ground when the goal is to fly, building more non-flying airplanes is not the answer.
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The drive coil gets opened, the pulse short coil gets opened, so what if there was a neutral coil handy as the magnetic current started to flow back,, it would try and stop the collapse BECAUSE it would only see the change in flux,, unlike the other 2 coils it does not know or care if the field is going out or back in,, they are polarized in a way but a neutral coil might not be.


That is like saying you could harness the collapse of a balloon without ever inflating it. Normally the energy to create a magnetic field is proportional to the energy released when it is destroyed. Input charges move creating a magnetic field and when the magnetic field collapses it causes other charges to move in exactly the same way...what have you gained?.


Which begs the question... what if charges could move without creating any apparent magnetic field limiting there motion but still effect other charges?. This would be quite a step in the right direction and was exactly the sort of thing Nikola Tesla was proposing. We cannot solve our problems using the same kind of thinking we used to create them, it must be something different if we want a different result.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #746 on: October 22, 2016, 10:30:15 PM »

There were very few posts with any relevent information on this forum --- however here are a few posts from different forums

Ron

Edit: updated PDF, thanks Grum

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #748 on: October 23, 2016, 04:57:58 AM »

Thank you Ron for trying to help and I am sorry you caught flak for it. 


I have been looking into Jim Murray's ideas pretty seriously for a couple of years now and I have finally begun look towards a device he patented called a Transforming Generator.  This device utilized principles of both a transformer and a generator, meaning that the stator windings are toroidally wound and are interacting with each other through the iron core like a transformer while being independently energized by a rotating magnetic field such as found in a generator.


I have taken an old servo motor and  stripped away the encoder and existing stator windings.  This left me with some end bells, an 8 pole permanent magnet rotor, and a laminated iron stator.  I notched out the aluminum case that holds the iron core so that I could wind the toriodally wound stator coils (3 coils @ 240 turns each of 26 AWG) and still put the end bells on.  My testing of this device is on hold until I can get a more solidified test fixture, plastic hose and clamps for the motor/generator coupling makes for a wobbly 3000 rpm... 


It is a very interesting device.  It definitely shows that we can get a lot more power out of a certain amount of copper because it reduces the magnetic impedance of the output.  However, this comes with increased torque to the prime mover; in love with lenz...


Some attached pics show the device and dissasembly. 


Dave

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #749 on: October 23, 2016, 05:52:42 AM »
There were originally two coils in the stator.  An unfortunate miscalculation of the respective positions of the first two gave warrant for a third.   (How bout that Erfinder..)  The positions of the coils have to do with the N/S configuration of the rotor.  The two 180 degrees out coils are of a similar rotor pole passing whereas the offset coil is the odd man out.  I can only use two coils (for now) that have opposing magnetic polarities from the rotor energizing them in order to get the transforming effect in the way I want it.  This allows me to use the offset coil with either the adjacent coil or the opposite coil.  Both produce different results.  The effects from the adjacent coil are much more pronounced.  Geometry is an important factor in how this thing operates.


Dave

 

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