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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #690 on: October 04, 2016, 01:37:05 AM »
                    deep breath in,holding :"I am pulsing."
                    thinking ::)
                    deep breath out : Aha ;)
 

                    Very interesting...


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #691 on: October 05, 2016, 12:55:08 AM »
Misc. rambling,,

When dealing with coils, with and without cores, I still vacillate over if the collapsing field from a pulse is collapsing back into or away from the coil and or core.

Is it the same for an air core and a permeable core?

Is it the local environment rushing back in and replacing or is it the local environment pushing the "bubble" back to where it came from.

To use a coil,, well the way we use them I don't think it matters but if we wish to use them differently it might matter a lot.

Drop a pebble into a pond of water--you now have your answer.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #692 on: October 05, 2016, 02:23:44 AM »
Drop a pebble into a pond of water--you now have your answer.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #693 on: October 05, 2016, 01:39:05 PM »
"Reduced Impedance Effect".  A condition which can be established in inductors, a condition suggested by Paul Babcock.


Who has heard about this?  Of those who have heard about it, how many believe it's real, of those who believe it's real, how many believe it can be demonstrated?



Regards


I have heard of this and halfway attempted to replicate it at one point.  I am not sure I saw anything interesting as I was not doing it exactly like paul does with the controlled collapse of the inductor thru his switching process.  But I would think the same thing should happen in pulsed coils where the inductive reactive energy is collected in a cap or used up somehow.  So theoretically if all of the magnetism has been removed from the coil, the coil should show a reduced impedance to the flow of current and all pulsing/capturing rigs should exhibit this reduced impedance phenomena.  I don't think they do... What are your thoughts on where the disconnect is?  Since Paul talks about being able to run full current thru 300 mH coils at 400Hz....


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #694 on: October 05, 2016, 03:47:45 PM »
Do you think that is the full answer?

If you remember that that "pond" is a 3D sphere and not the flat surface you see.

Personally I do not think the pebble and pond is the answer. I think it only represents a mode of propagation.

Your question
Quote: When dealing with coils, with and without cores, I still vacillate over if the collapsing field from a pulse is collapsing back into or away from the coil and or core.

We live in the field of a magnetic pond,and pulsing a coil dose to that magnetic pond,like the pebble dose to the liquid pond.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #695 on: October 05, 2016, 04:33:47 PM »
If the pebble is large enough the water will not cover the pebble,, but the propagation of the disturbance still happens.

If the water is deep enough it will encase the pebble before the pebble stops moving.

There are so many variations that the pebble and pond only describe a means of the disturbance being communicated throughout the water.

Do you think that the pebble and water describe all of the interactions that are possible??

No,but you were talking only of the magnetic field,while the electric field associated with the magnetic field seems to be always forgotten.

What is the field that is inducing the single turn secondary in the video below,if all magnetic flux is suppose to remain within the core of a toroid transformer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #696 on: October 06, 2016, 12:31:28 AM »

I have heard of this and halfway attempted to replicate it at one point.  I am not sure I saw anything interesting as I was not doing it exactly like paul does with the controlled collapse of the inductor thru his switching process.  But I would think the same thing should happen in pulsed coils where the inductive reactive energy is collected in a cap or used up somehow.  So theoretically if all of the magnetism has been removed from the coil, the coil should show a reduced impedance to the flow of current and all pulsing/capturing rigs should exhibit this reduced impedance phenomena.  I don't think they do... What are your thoughts on where the disconnect is?  Since Paul talks about being able to run full current thru 300 mH coils at 400Hz....


Dave


Okay, so on second thought after running a few experiments.  There is definitely a significantly reduced impedance when maintaining magnetizing force in one direction.  However, I am still unsure of how Paul got got his full current thru those coils....

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #697 on: October 06, 2016, 01:00:57 AM »
No,but you were talking only of the magnetic field,while the electric field associated with the magnetic field seems to be always forgotten.

What is the field that is inducing the single turn secondary in the video below,if all magnetic flux is suppose to remain within the core of a toroid transformer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYpz9ak34e0


The A field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #698 on: October 06, 2016, 02:35:11 AM »



@AC - Some time back you made an interesting comment:

IancaIV


It is well known the electrostatic force is very large. I believe the numbers say if we had two 1 m^2 plates spaced 1 meter apart and moved 1 ampere of current of opposite charges to each plate the force of attraction generated would be 1 million tons. This cannot be done for obvious reasons however that does not change the fact the forces are extremely large.


In another example if we took a cube of aluminum as big as a sugar cube and separated all the charges in it 1 meter apart the force of attraction would be 32 million million million pounds. Equivalent to the force applied by the weight of a cube of steel 76 miles high, 76 miles wide and 76 miles long.


I know all these things from memory because my primary field of expertise is electrostatics outside the context of my occupation as an Engineer. Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored however electrostatics is still considered the black arts in many circles. We have much to learn in this area.


AC


Sadly, it took me sometime to find the data I was looking for. But I found it.

I have ponded over your comment for some time. My interest in this field promped me to ask, What makes you believe "Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored"? Personally I believe there are massive Holes, even some inconsistencies.

Some work that is also questioning similar area's is: Incompetent Science - by Carl van der Togt

His work in the famous Aether Experiment of Michelson–Morley is alone ground breaking.

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #699 on: October 06, 2016, 02:36:32 AM »
                              MHD/MED- channel/tube f.e. as "toroidal air core"
                                 
                                        incarnation/realization of the
 
        der Schein(the shining/imaginaere Kreis/ imaginary-virtual circle) der Heiligen(Saints)

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #700 on: October 06, 2016, 07:41:53 AM »
Hey EMJ
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I have ponded over your comment for some time. My interest in this field promped me to ask, What makes you believe "Electromagnetic phenomena has been well explored"? Personally I believe there are massive Holes, even some inconsistencies.


I think the common understanding of electro-magnetics has been well explored relating specifically to the types of devices most people build. Personally I like to separate the properties of any given phenomena or groups into three classes, electrostatic, electro-magnetic and magnetic. Bulk generalizations towards phenomena as I generally see follow a road leading to nowhere while understanding phenomena on the level they occur shows great potential.


As if to say... I understand that when a charged particle moves it carries it's charge with it. Likewise in moving it creates what many call a magnetic field and again the charge carries it's magnetic field with it. We know these things intuitively and yet we brush them off as insignificant. We ignore everything that really matters and make bulk generalizations as if to say all that stuff happening under the surface does not matter... when it is all that matters. Every part of the whole must dictate the action of the whole. It is actually quite easy and it's kind of like people, what we think we see on the surface seldom relates to whats really inside.


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Some work that is also questioning similar area's is: [/font]Incompetent Science - by Carl van der Togt[/font]
His work in the famous Aether Experiment of Michelson–Morley is alone ground breaking. [/size]


Damn you EMJ, I was compelled to spend the last hour or so reading your link.
Alternately... what if everything was simple, what if it was rather easy?. What if space was like an electromagnetic pegboard and in order for something to move it must move on something, our pegboard, such as already existing EM waves covering what we know as the EM spectrum born from every star in the universe. Every sequential change in energy state or as some call it "motion" must take discrete steps from one pegboard hole to the next within a defined time frame. Which may be why one peg cannot jump another, it cannot generally jump multiple holes and in most instances it cannot push off of an already existing peg. Which reminds us of something we already know concerning conduction electrons moving through the crystalline lattice of a metal.


I think the Michelson–Morley experiment is a lesson in the obvious. So they spat out some photons from a light source with multiple paths and expected the interference pattern to show a difference in velocity due to the motion of some mysterious aether?. You know sometimes disproving is in fact proving and vice versa however it is completely dependent on which side of the fence we make our observations. Does the experiment prove there is no relative motion between a particle and the Aether or does it prove all particles follow discrete steps ie. motion regardless of the the apparent motion due to an Aether?. In my mind the first question would be if the supposed absolute velocity of the photon (speed of photon plus movement of source) did not match the measured velocity of the photon then what impeded it's velocity?, something must have...what was it?.


In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.


Best Regards
AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #701 on: October 06, 2016, 10:32:24 AM »
https://forum.azimuthproject.org/discussion/313/potentially-revolutionary-theories/p2


                      you are refering him,but if we do not know the context to this thesis
                                             or shall I write hypo-thesis(!?)
                      we would have to think that he is accucing all: medicine,biology,Arts
                      mathematics,chemistry,physics,theology, et ..... et ....cetera to be
         
                                            incompetent


                       In german: wo ist er zu Haus :(his profession,his confession,Family dates)
            we have his Name: Carl van der Togt (I would estimate ,in german: ein Flame/Holland)
                                        without to look for this curriculum vitae(german: Lebenslauf)
                                         doing a census/Schaetzung/estimation :


  his confession  ? : Holland citizen are mostly (Generalsstaaten-history against the Habsburger)
                                 ergo: mit hoher Wahrscheinlichkeit Protestant,evtl. Atheist


                                   his "real world family home  : Europe ? other continent ?"
                                   his profession,degree,title,honours(awards),reknown science results ?
                                   science is incompetent: has he the competence to critizise a
                                   Professor Dr.med ......,who works as scientists and showing the science
                                   by applying it,the knowledge-methods-tecniques to his(male)/her(female)                                          students and probabaly working as applying Doctor.med in an hospital,
                                   ambulant center .... !?
                                   All the science and scientists worldwide incompetent  ?


 Or it is not better to concretizise his "hypo-/thesis" only to physics,especially to the highest level
known by Minkowski and Einstein,de Broglie,Compton ,Planck for the "Quanten Paar Physik /
quantum mechanics" and the related Philosophical school in german named "Relativistische Kinematik" which makes part from the Kybernetik


who is really interest to find solutions,german Grundlagenforschung(~ science fundamentals) und angewandte Forschung(applied fundamentals),
will find here (someone will need a very good translator,attention with the google automatic translation idiomatic,but as first translation step this "Dolmetscher" is a good help ! 


          This is Nobelpreis-award level(Stockholm,Oslo),hard stuff(complexity) -but "soft ware" !


There is the answer from the rom.-catholic church "Auftrag/Petititon/Bitte" to the "quantum mechanics science" and scientist to give the answer about the "existance from GOD/GOTT/ALLAH/JWHE/CREATOR/SCHOEPFER and all similar high praysed/bepraised GODNESSES
like GAIA/GODMOTHER and same !


Exists GOD(english writen) : Yes ! Male or female or neutrum ? Can be in all this sexus kinds !
What is GOD ? From physics standpoint : Existance over > 0° Kelvin up to ? over C.E.R.N. temperature/and compression level !
GOD great ? Is the Universe not great ? GOD small begins with Sub-Angstrom-detection measuring
instruments,but shall ever be greater the MENGENLEHRE definition
and let us define this in the neutrum sexus:


                                                        GODNESS > { }


                                     in german words :
DAS GOETTLICHE IST DIE KLEINSTE EINHEIT WELCHE DIE LEERE MENGE AUFFUELLT


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https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRCC0WSrwrhrmix0DIIEOMi-oXEJNXUWtrM-8wuUGLn5dhNVzuz


for us humans the GOD from each of us is untouchable because GOD in this meant theologiacal case
is only one part of all our scientifical Universe: here it is the MENTION in Art and Kind exposed ,
Sixtinische Kapelle (Sybillinischen Verse ? in der Naehe ?)


Do you really all thought that only why they are analphabets these people did/do not believe in a kind of an GODNESS ? Or the Atheists : they only call their GODNESS with other EXPRESSIONS !

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #702 on: October 06, 2016, 11:08:10 AM »

The A field

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toroidal_inductors_and_transformers

Ron

It's actually the E field that induces a current in the secondary,and that current creates the magnetic field around the secondary.

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This figure shows the half section of a toroidal transformer. Quasi-static conditions are assumed, so the phase of each field is everywhere the same. The transformer, its windings and all things are distributed symmetrically about the axis of symmetry. The windings are such that there is no circumferential current. The requirements are met for full internal confinement of the B field due to the primary current. The core and primary winding are represented by the gray-brown torus. The primary winding is not shown, but the current in the winding at the cross section surface is shown as gold (or orange) ellipses. The B field caused by the primary current is entirely confined to the region enclosed by the primary winding (i.e. the core). Blue dots on the left hand cross section indicate that lines of B flux in the core come out of the left hand cross section. On the other cross section, blue plus signs indicate that the B flux enters there. The E field sourced from the primary currents is shown as green ellipses. The secondary winding is shown as a brown line coming directly down the axis of symmetry. In normal practice, the two ends of the secondary are connected together with a long wire that stays well away from the torus, but to maintain the absolute axial symmetry, the entire apparatus is envisioned as being inside a perfectly conductive sphere with the secondary wire "grounded" to the inside of the sphere at each end. The secondary is made of resistance wire, so there is no separate load. The E field along the secondary causes current in the secondary (yellow arrows) which causes a B field around the secondary (shown as blue ellipses). This B field fills space, including inside the transformer core, so in the end, there is continuous non-zero B field from the primary to the secondary, if the secondary is not open circuited. The cross product of the E field (sourced from primary currents) and the B field (sourced from the secondary currents) forms the Poynting vector which points from the primary toward the secondary.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #703 on: October 06, 2016, 01:24:06 PM »
Hey EMJ

I think the common understanding of electro-magnetics has been well explored relating specifically to the types of devices most people build. Personally I like to separate the properties of any given phenomena or groups into three classes, electrostatic, electro-magnetic and magnetic. Bulk generalizations towards phenomena as I generally see follow a road leading to nowhere while understanding phenomena on the level they occur shows great potential.


As if to say... I understand that when a charged particle moves it carries it's charge with it. Likewise in moving it creates what many call a magnetic field and again the charge carries it's magnetic field with it. We know these things intuitively and yet we brush them off as insignificant. We ignore everything that really matters and make bulk generalizations as if to say all that stuff happening under the surface does not matter... when it is all that matters. Every part of the whole must dictate the action of the whole. It is actually quite easy and it's kind of like people, what we think we see on the surface seldom relates to whats really inside.



Damn you EMJ, I was compelled to spend the last hour or so reading your link.
Alternately... what if everything was simple, what if it was rather easy?. What if space was like an electromagnetic pegboard and in order for something to move it must move on something, our pegboard, such as already existing EM waves covering what we know as the EM spectrum born from every star in the universe. Every sequential change in energy state or as some call it "motion" must take discrete steps from one pegboard hole to the next within a defined time frame. Which may be why one peg cannot jump another, it cannot generally jump multiple holes and in most instances it cannot push off of an already existing peg. Which reminds us of something we already know concerning conduction electrons moving through the crystalline lattice of a metal.


I think the Michelson–Morley experiment is a lesson in the obvious. So they spat out some photons from a light source with multiple paths and expected the interference pattern to show a difference in velocity due to the motion of some mysterious aether?. You know sometimes disproving is in fact proving and vice versa however it is completely dependent on which side of the fence we make our observations. Does the experiment prove there is no relative motion between a particle and the Aether or does it prove all particles follow discrete steps ie. motion regardless of the the apparent motion due to an Aether?. In my mind the first question would be if the supposed absolute velocity of the photon (speed of photon plus movement of source) did not match the measured velocity of the photon then what impeded it's velocity?, something must have...what was it?.


In any case it's getting late and I wanted to disclose how to produce Tesla's radiant matter tonight but my post is already excessively long and boring so I will leave that for another time. Just make a post and say hey dingle balls whats up with that radiant matter stuff and I will tell you how to do it.


Best Regards
AC




Hahaha - I had a good old giggle at this. Some deep meaningful and some good old fashioned humour! Nice!

On a completely Un-Scientific note: I believe in the Aether… Why? Because I feel that the Aether is the base medium which all exists, much as Fish see Water as the Medium they spend their lives. I am sure most would see this a similar way if they share my beliefs.

Light can be bent, but to be bent it must travel from point A to point B in a medium, or another way, in what medium can light NOT travel?

Like you said, a stationary Charged Particle has no inherent Magnetic Field, but move the Charged Particle and we see a Magnetic Field… This Magnetic Field is a Wake of Aether, non-observable, organised and coherent Aetheric Fluid.

A Tornado in Space where we would expect to see no observable Tornado.

But we do, the Magnetic Field is observable.

And now, the velocity of the charge Stops, and the Magnetic Field is gone.

So the very motion of Charge is enough to show the Aether is there and that the Magnetic Field is a result of this Aetheric Field at least in my opinion.

Isn’t discussion/debate on these subjects interesting, mostly for the reason that we never seem to come to any real conclusions.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #704 on: October 06, 2016, 02:43:19 PM »

human sin organs bandweith ?
how many sin dimensions are defined and scientifically known and their technical/physical bandweith ?
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinnesorgan
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human ear frequency bandweith ?
human nose bandweith ?
human eye bandweith ?


human more sin organs,un-/known : ...............................................





electric field bandweith ?
magnetic field bandweith ?
 
measure instruments/detector bandweith ? 2D/3D/4D/5..... ?


How many dimensions are scientifically known ?
https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=dimension&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

 

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