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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #660 on: September 29, 2016, 12:52:07 AM »
We are talking about a field,, this is an interesting area as to whether there is an "object" that is bound by mechanics or not.

If the field rate of change propagates at C for an instantaneous change in flux density then an inductor would see a rate of change of C.

That "feels" like a small change in flux density over a smallish inductance would still provide a large output.  This also conforms to all accepted formulas,, except for the instantaneous change of course which no formula covers.

I have bookmarked a few places so I can learn how to make a few electronic control circuits so I can play more precisely with what I am seeing and playing with.  I am a slow learner and have scrap parts lying around to make things out of,, so that will take a while :)

Right now I can somewhat control the rate of change in a sine wave as far as current goes,, how much it is passing, but I would like to be able to clamp that down a lot more and maybe even see if it will go so far as affecting the DC throughput as well.



Hey Webby1 - Ah I see what you mean: Electromagnetic Waves (Radio Communications)

Yes, these are at C, the speed of light. However, the simple old Coax Cable is a medium where C is slowed somewhat, C can be only 65% of the speed of Light or there abouts. This is different than Flux Lines as such, Near Field and Far Field stuff now...

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #661 on: September 29, 2016, 01:19:08 AM »



Last kick at the can for the Ward force generator.

I made a new rotor as there was an indication from some that my cast iron shoes were a source of eddy currents and hence holding back the generator. The no load drag as measured on the RV was 62 and 67 watts previously.

A bit like comparing apples and oranges as the new rotor version weighs in with much stronger magnets. But it's drag on the RV comes in at 78 watts. So I am of the opinion that the cast iron was no problem. This design actually narrows up the "shoe" area and initial cogging is greatly increased.

However, a pleasant surprise in that the output nearly smoked my poor load resister! 

!080 RPM, 14.5 watts in for 11 watts out

2850 RPM, 14 watts in for 36.5 watts out!!!

And even better at higher RPM's,

The bottom line --- the total input was 174 watts for 36 watts out. (scooter motor)

So end of experiment.

Ron



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #662 on: September 29, 2016, 01:25:20 AM »


Last kick at the can for the Ward force generator.

I made a new rotor as there was an indication from some that my cast iron shoes were a source of eddy currents and hence holding back the generator. The no load drag as measured on the RV was 62 and 67 watts previously.

A bit like comparing apples and oranges as the new rotor version weighs in with much stronger magnets. But it's drag on the RV comes in at 78 watts. So I am of the opinion that the cast iron was no problem. This design actually narrows up the "shoe" area and initial cogging is greatly increased.

However, a pleasant surprise in that the output nearly smoked my poor load resister! 

!080 RPM, 14.5 watts in for 11 watts out

2850 RPM, 14 watts in for 36.5 watts out!!!

And even better at higher RPM's,

The bottom line --- the total input was 174 watts for 36 watts out. (scooter motor)

So end of experiment.

Ron




Hi Ron, Awesome! Your machining skills are very admirable! I truly view workmanship of this quality with admiration!

Would you view this experiment as more than useful?

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #663 on: September 29, 2016, 01:43:28 AM »



Hi Ron, Awesome! Your machining skills are very admirable! I truly view workmanship of this quality with admiration!

Would you view this experiment as more than useful?

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My wife always says, "what does it do?" and I say, "nothing, it was a learning experience!"


It answered my questions --- mission accomplished!


Thanks, to all of you


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #664 on: September 29, 2016, 07:52:50 AM »

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   


This was a misconception. Sorry guys. We examine a system which gains energy during discharge. So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!!

Having this in mind check again the terms of the equation and decide by yourselves what needs for this to be accomplished.

"Conventionality doesn't lay at present equations which describe physical laws. It only lays in our interaction as observers to the said equations which describe these laws..."

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #665 on: September 29, 2016, 09:10:33 AM »
Good morning,Ladies and Sires,somewhere !


Jeg,"We examine a system which gains energy during discharge" or instead "gains": amplify ?!
                                 "Gains" means structurely something has to "loose" !
                                           geben/giving or nehmen/taking

 How is the "dis/charge process: charge(Coloumb) entering,physical movement, leaving" imaginable -greater dimension- to define/explain ?
                                      quantum mechanics by "for us consumer real world" mechanical/kinetical example

for this thesis: "So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!! " DEMONSTRATION

Moving Energy source:Electricity takes Extra-Energy from the potential Energy source ? The engine material ? Measuring weight and temperature and ...... ??? (more Parameter ?) ! The ambient ? The nearer outside or far outside ? Communication,wi.fi.
 
                   For Tesla the main use idea(l)  has been for global communication,like Ferrari and Marconi.
                                                     Seismic waves/vibrations/oszillations

                 1 machine/engine: many different materials(Gram/cm³),rough/fine surfaces, so many different re-/action "own-/Eigen"frequencies
                                                   starting/Anlauf-Process : warm-? cold-?

                                                      how is "warm to cold and vice-versa physically defind ?)

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSchukey-Motor&edit-text=
                                                            transformer       ( German:  transform er ! Imperativ  !  command: change it !)
   
                        "The 5.th element"movie: the Taxi-drive system :"Gleiter/Lifter" on/in a magnetic path/channel
                                               Maglev moving principle ? Leve~Light/light  Levitation (G)Lighter/Lifter

                   metal(l)ic cable and or glas(s)-fiber cable : good for :use possibilities ? bad for ? silicon/silicium cable ? graphene cable ?
 
                   What is the Energy source from a solely permanent magnet ? It is ,relatively, a perpetuum mobile device !
                                                                        If not fixed/coupled  !
                                                               perpetuum magnet force decay ! why :" Currie "-temperature/density limit ? Barkhausen

                                         per manere~ by staying
                                         per petere ~ repeating,feedbacking




                           light velocity : in air /in vacuuo/vacuum                     e-vacuation ? means ? real life and physics


                           gap : distance ? bridge to overcome ! which time velocity ?   
 
      How do we drive on real life streets and how "in this quantummechanics street/channel" our engine by engineering~driving"
                                          motor 5-steps or auto-matic  transmissior/gear differential brake kupplung gaspedal
                                          or hybrid
                                          or e-motive

                                          but each system needs a starter and this his "starting energy source" and we the motiv(e)/ation of a target


 (the engine: does it not need a target and motivation ,too :    http://comps.canstockphoto.de/can-stock-photo_csp27842774.jpg   ? ;) )
                                          Do you remember: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Christine.jpg
                                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdwO2smdoNc

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                                       breath of life ,German : Od,Odem       Psy/PSI-chology: Motive/Motivation
                                         Thomas de Aquino: "gerechte Ertrag/google english: equitable income


                                       programer stupidity ,no philosophy behind: Belohnung/reward/Praemie/Gain "to be on earth a good guy"
                                       How many virgins,Vollpension~all inclusive- por gratia/gratis ? no=in paraiso=Eden=Heaven=Garden=Yard ?

( in,english=no ,portuguese; Portugal is a "special case": donated by King D.Diniz "to Heaven", and the catholic church works "for ever" )

                                                                             "Hey WARD,my reward !"
          Ward ??? : "Bloedmann ! Laß -mich- in Frieden . :-\ Du hast auf dem Garten"Erde" deine Chance gehabt !" 8)
          Reward-commander:  :o  " Und ich war immer imper-a-c-tive  :'( :-X :P (~Following THE COMMANDS 1:1 = Egalite/UNITY)

                                      interpretation:   https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=life+is+for+living+barclay+james+harvest+lyrics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #666 on: September 29, 2016, 09:59:43 AM »
Hi all
I watch with great interest your conversation guys, thanks a lot for sharing ideas. I’d like to ask Erfinder about this:

Energy stored inside an inductor’s magnetic field is E=0,5xLxI^2

With certain value of current and inductance we have a certain amount of energy stored. If the same energy is discharged through higher L, won’t discharging peak current (I)  be less than what we have used during the charging cycle? (I=sqrt 2E/L).   

Thanks

This was a misconception. Sorry guys. We examine a system which gains energy during discharge. So if charging and stored energy equals E1=0.5LI^2, then discharging energy E2 would be E2>E1!!!

Having this in mind check again the terms of the equation and decide by yourselves what needs for this to be accomplished.

"Conventionality doesn't lay at present equations which describe physical laws. It only lays in our interaction as observers to the said equations which describe these laws..."

Jeg



Jeg - Youre spot on in my opinion. Keeping the Current as high as possible is key, so the Resistance must not change, but something else can change! A Magnetic Field in proximity can change the Inductance!

Experiment:
Take a Coil, Air Core and Cored, measure the Inductance, place a large Magnet on the top, now measure the inductance. See below images.

Coil Shorting can do this also, as Cifta has shown. Finding an economical way to do this is key to a good result.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #667 on: September 29, 2016, 10:23:27 AM »
We humans are also "magnetic" antennas: when I go to my music-box(the real antenna broken and extracted),I have to tune the right UKW frequency -with calculating my presense by the music wave device and without my presence !


                                                                    antenna feedback cycle


A radio in the kitchen 
and a refrigerator in the kitchen
music on
refrigerator(enclosed chamber,volume,temperature) door open/closed : difference ? why ? interference cold/hot ambiental waves/particles


em devices test : ambiental (room temperature) and in refrigerator (closed refrigerator door != evacuated ) ?

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #668 on: September 29, 2016, 01:54:00 PM »
Communications waves,, are they the same??? not really sure, not sure if that matter.  I don't think we need to get into split pairs,, :)

So the numbers you used,, they show that I can spend 1A for 3 seconds to make little or 1A for .003 seconds to make a lot, so is it in how much I spend?

I also think that the inductive action by itself from the inductor would modify the flux in the proximity of the coil as the changing wave happened,, I see it blowing a small hole within the field and then getting filled up with the field,, not sure on that but that is what I am thinking at this time.

Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,

Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.

Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.


We are all under observation 8)  ,you also webby1 (www1 ? ::) )
you pro-voke~voz~voice ,and expect re-question=answer ?           ~ serpens,slang,Schlange,Zunge religion: angel(s)/engel(n)                                                                                                                                                                         Dialektik
 
                                                                                                             Dialektische Materialismus
                                                                                                             1000 words= 1 Image/Ikon/thing/Ding

www delivers you an answer choice:
 https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=kanarev+physics&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 called duty cycle


taking: http://guns.connect.fi/innoplaza/energy/story/Kanarev/
            http://fbadhusha.weebly.com/uploads/3/8/9/5/3895546/ele-pulse-power.pdf


           page 2 : Let us put a question: has power pulse (Fig. 3) 15 kW actually, and is average value of pulse power equal to 144 W?

                   page 3           Is the calculation carried out correctly? [1]

Later on, we’ll prove experimentally that power pulse (Fig. 3) has not 15000 W and 144.80 W, but only 1.40 W.




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Thus, the power pulse shown in Fig. 3 has not 15 kW and not 144.8 W, but only P = UC ⋅ IC = 2.88⋅ 0.48 = 1.40W .
Maxwell: displacement current/german: Blindstrom   Wirkleistung     Scheinleistung    Blindleistung          W VA VAr
                                                                                  active power     apparent power   reactive power


                                                                                                       Schein: brill-bright,Note(banking), physics : seem/appear       
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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #669 on: September 29, 2016, 02:38:44 PM »

Getting back to the time rate of change thing,,

Did any one else notice that the COST to make the change was still .9A per whatever time and then think that in the way we use things today we MUST spend the time and the energy to slowly allow a change to happen compared to how fast that change can propagate,, so we are not using a *quality* of the field but rather using it like a stick that can push other things for us. <= this is why our present method only allows for getting out what you put in.

Once you start taking energy out to make more pass through things start to look a little different,, well to me they have anyway.

Dear webby1.

It has seemed to me that man, as a species has always bludgeoned things into submission! Ah that didn't work, find me a bigger hammer.

Nature on the other hand works in harmony. Time to find a more natural approach.

I'm enjoying the thread, nice to read the thoughts of others, keep up the great work guys.

Cheers Grum.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #670 on: September 29, 2016, 04:50:34 PM »
Oh,really,the autotransformer felt and broke in 2 parts ?
What a mis ::)
Now it is an auto and a transformer ?
Okay,I take the Auto
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         Auto,shortly in Germany,german speaking hemisphere for Automobil(e) ,english : car 
         -auto- ~ per se ~ "Eigen" f.e. -spin
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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #671 on: September 29, 2016, 05:06:42 PM »
webby1, DC-motor : cw or ccw ?    and connection to battery : - + ?


DRUM,,Dual RotorUseless Motor. But the experience has not been useless !?

                       step by step up and step by step down


                       Refurbishing ?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #672 on: September 29, 2016, 05:19:31 PM »
webby1,me is allowed to correct my posts ! Or to give supplements ! Nothing special !
Sometimes I am angry,but this given administrative freedom(e) gives me ever the chance to correct "negative written re-/action" !


With all my regard
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #673 on: September 29, 2016, 05:21:37 PM »
For which part?
You have to find out : these motor and these battery resonant point !
each industrial product has his own "fingerprint"




"I am not much into word games"
To read papers ,mails,to listen to people is ever in our life a word game as my view point.


Tesla publications,by his own words-his t(h)inkung or 100%-0%(contra-/productive)translations ?!
It has been at first Tesla bis his own,then,later, Tesla Laboratory group work power.
As same by Edison.

Are you married ? Reading of your wife her eyes,perfect marriage and "gentile"childs ?
Never "rebelde",ever "jeah,jeah"-sayer ? My man ,oh so wonderful(l) !? Dad is the best ?


wonder: she t(h)inks left,you act right. She say "right",you do left ! It happens never/seldom/often ?
To your child(s): Qui(e)t ! He/she looks to you, ::) ,and repeats the noise ! ;D  (Okay,baby!)


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One from the owner,approved Engineer has worked for Nordmende(TV-Production in Porto,PT),
his nephew Jorge Ferreira showed me by my first office visits an "couple" from two autotransformer
and with the connection a 1in:3out result,2004/2005,negative is it to state that this output needs a fine-tuning cause it is unmodulated,pure energy with all bandgap !


p.s.II: I am since +/- 2005 member ,enough time to give me allowance to correct typo or "mental  expressed overdriving" ! Netikette,here and in real life !
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #674 on: September 29, 2016, 07:18:43 PM »
".... since I shared that, in my mind, I have done my job, I met the promise I made to myself to share at least some of the things I have observed. ..."

                 You has not been/are not alone in this case

  " share ( ::) -not unlimited- ::)  )some( better in this case: any)  of the things I have observed"


I thank you and will,I promise it, if time let me do it, show for your "Franken"-motor concept !


Probably you,at first for yourself,note all the points of trial success and error and compare the several temptations results ! Non-/expected ?

Later ,if you want,you can up-load this know-ledge for- in this idea- interested members of this forum !


Sincerely
              OCWL


p.s.:    What is a perfect marriage?
            rhetorical question or to clerical mongues/bro and "sisters/Schwester"
                                                              male: f(r)ater /soror or irma(ndade: society)
            one where both people are both one and individuals at the same time. ::) 

            actually your words in japanese young people their minds:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fpanorama%2FJapanerinnen-brauchen-keinen-Ehemann-article18721476.html&edit-text=



                                       Logos: Mengenlehre Logics
                        mental steps: when ... then..... if.....

                       Mengenlehre : Arithmetik + Language complain
                                             
                                                         only language
                        Analytical tools from Texturation/Network and for Texturation/Network
                        language constitution also called Grammatik,grammar
                                                         Latin/German

Subjekt(Nomen),Praedikat/Verb,Adjektiv,Objekt,Pronomen,Adverbiale(Zeit,Ort,Art und Weise,Demonstrativ,Reflexiv,.....)
 ( more: Grammar book and for translation Dictionary,ENG/ENG and ENG/LAT and ENG/GER)
                     http://www.ef.com/english-resources/english-grammar/

(who is interested about radix/orthodoxy/fundamentals can observe the german and latin language grammars)

                                          The condition I noticed is
 one that happens anytime you are using a DC motor against a varying load,,
 the wet slipping belt, the oscillating load of my pump arm,,
 the acceleration of the motor due to the arm moving the other way with the stretch of the belt,,
 these are what I assume created the readings I was getting
 and so I thought that I would try and duplicate that situation
but in a different fashion,, to try and help isolate what the actual cause was.


belt length ? shorten the length ?
"wet": belt material ,metal,plastics or leather ? dry ? expansion flexibility ? demand ? deemed?
beltgap/bandgap beltweith/bandweith

"you" ? I converse with people in the internet in 3.Person singular,pluralis maj.  manner
and never 2.persona singularis  ( as same in real life,only family member are intimus)
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