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Online lancaIV

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #630 on: September 27, 2016, 03:28:54 PM »

Useless in my opinion, at least until one is in the position to generate power in unlimited quantity, whenever, and wherever it is required.


Regards
 


".....one is in the position...." : "one" as defined by who or what ? Restriction versus Full Autonomy : KI
                                                    who/what consults the "neuronal KI"- mind ?
               
                                                                         Me I see in You : physically,PSI-cally ?
                                                                                 Trans-/Tele-porting


                                                                           Useless thinking or prophylaxe ?
                                                                               to con.cern ? /conc.ern ?             f.e. Tesla autonom car and several other temptations
                                                                                                                                                         related KI or Autonom-Intelligence
                                                                                                                                                         selflearning and self-evaluating


https://www.wired.com/2013/10/how-the-freaky-octopus-can-help-us-understand-the-human-brain/
           emitter/sender: brain(image,words) ,intention,translation receiver: brain,intention,translation(words,image)


https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.n-tv.de%2Fmediathek%2Fvideos%2Fpanorama%2FGott-liebt-das-frohe-Geniessen-des-Menschen-article17424901.html&edit-text=
                                                                               God loves the merry enjoying       the people
                                                          The God-machine loves the merry enjoying:(of)the people


I am ab-/ or normal: psychologic ?
http://www.seelischegesundheit.net/themen/psychische-erkrankungen/erkrankungen-von-a-z
Animals are ab-/normal : psychologic ?
KI is/are ab-/normal : psychologic (~ synthetical life : selflearning and deciding ! )


This are we,humanoids with human feelings :
I was it,I am proud to did it ! The First  The other,"you are the best !"Applause ,Bravo
I was it,I am ashamed to did it ! Middle The other,"it is human,you tried your best !" Next trial !
I was it,I capitulate to did it ! The Last The other "Kill him,lynch him !" death penal


What do we expect from KI when it shall work
a. as military killer-machine       b. robo-cop
c. medicine d. architect d. -z ,a1 ....                    to overtake all the functions of us humans,
but also our "relative humanity" ( ::) Ausschwitz/Dachau,Stalingrad,Sarajewo/Srebenica,Aleppo,....)

Sexus from the KI-MEN-Maschine ? Male,female,transgender/neutrum ?

                                         In my Cyberspace nothing is impossible
But for me as humanoid man it,the possibility from variations, has to resolve my daily problems during my life ! But my targets are commode,not glutton !
(KI- targets ? Finger-tip,Finger,Body,.... soul,....? God-Machine )

Living as part from a "machine",does it not be sufficient to see "mother nature/UniversumI" as womb ?
Or is "mother nature" pregnant and soon there will be a birth: new  Parallel-Universen ?

            (Hell/bright) matter and dark matter : from bio-physical view : fe-/male neutrum !?
                                materie       anti-materie


What will we get in Future-world : Pandora/Medusa  Babylon5/Star Treck/Stargate


                                           Orakel for question and answer ?
God(the shah-in-shah) + Man(shah)  f.e. Dalai-Lama or the japanese "Tenno"(before WW2)  ?
The POPE(God representant on roman orbs/urbs-earth) for the rom.-catholic church members ?


 Vision 2100/3000 : there are studies ,conditioning ? the "perpetuum mobile" is a.(im-)b.possible ?


actuall a sentence in a song " ...what are you waiting for ?..."
My question in a song would be ".. what,in Heavens Name,are they,he,I,we fighting for ?..."


your,they sin(n) of life and values  to conserve as human kind erve for the next human/-oid generation


The Tesla car "neuronal brain" shall decide to overdrive a.the older people or b.the young people
if there is the situation,by accident,to resolve the brake distance up to the stop point ?
Car velocity question ? Concentration question from street passants ? Mobility question ?
when a Tiger kill the first Time a human,will it not by the next time repeat this activity ?


What is for KI the given information about value from humans ?
Older less worth than the youth ?


 How old is the KI-Program(m)er ?
Loves/Hates he his grand-father(grann(d)pa/father("Dad") grand-mother/mother(gran(d)ma,"Mom")?


It is not the machine,it is the Parametric,which will become incorporated to the machine,
Parameter decided by "several humans",who decides about life and death of other !


This is a Constitution question about the allowance and clearly for ethic commissions !

                                                      Life : ent-/art(et)
positive Eugenik Pythia Games,Olymp                       negative Eugenik Dachau/Sachsenhausen

Aristocratie: "The Best"                                            Aristocratie: "VFolk" (abused expression)

                                      "parametric generator" me I see in you ?


                    ZEUS ZEU CEU CYBER CYBERWORLD CYBERWORLDGAMES

                               ex-/in-clusion PARA-CYBERWORLDGAMES ?


                                   or "perfect members only in the clube" ?

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #630 on: September 27, 2016, 03:28:54 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #631 on: September 27, 2016, 05:18:04 PM »

Not sure why you think you know what I am talking about.....You might know what Carroll is talking about.  This is much bigger than what you think I am talking about.

snip

Regards


Ah, the cat and mouse have returned


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #632 on: September 27, 2016, 06:34:07 PM »
Assuming one is in the position to circumvent the negative effects associated with the "elevated" self inductance of the higher value coil, no, current during discharge will not be less.  The question is can you establish the conditions necessary to circumvent the negative effects associated with the elevated self inductance of the higher value coil during discharge?


Some minds are already made up on this subject.


Regards


Would this circumvention have anything to do with charging then discharging while the inductance is rising (dL/dt giving rise to negative resistance) VS charging in low inductive state, pausing to let the inductance rise, then discharging? 


Thanks


Dave

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #632 on: September 27, 2016, 06:34:07 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #633 on: September 27, 2016, 07:49:11 PM »

whatever....


Well you had asked the question, how three coils are connected and numerous hints to inductance. So when Carroll posted that circuit plus your admittance of earlier postings on this subject, with provided links, seemed to me to be confirmation?


In some ways I think this ties in with the Alexander motor generator. I built a version at the time but my results were less than spectacular as the rotor I used was too small and the winding, being an addition, along with another commutator,(slip rings) were pathetic.

Self biasing, are we getting into mag amp territory here?

However it is good to talk all around this "subject" as my interest is certainly strong.


Ron
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #634 on: September 27, 2016, 09:38:09 PM »
Hello Erfinder,about point of (translated)view (by thirds:translator) : #780
your sentence into google translator to german and from google german to google english :
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None of the information being disseminated by the resident authority can be used by folk on these pages for accomplishing the "collective" dream.

                                                    the same ? SEMANTICs ~ Neurologic Kinematik
                                                                     https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantics

None of the information is processed by the local authority, to "collective" dream of the people are used on these pages for the implementation of.
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                         about trust to the neurologic tool evolution stage !
              BTW: what did you want to define(tell us included me) or explain with this sentence ?
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          German language "special" tools: Partizip,gerundiv,Gerundium,Adverbiale
          google translation:                        Participle, gerund, gerund, Adverbiale
                                                                               SYNTAX ERROR !

          How good is the google language Parametrie integrating programer ?
          Does he/she understand his/her own native language ?

         Production process error risc,administrated by neurologic operator !
         Sony/Samsung capacitor ! Tesla car "driver" ! ........
         TAKATA Airbag ?
         Planes fly program ?
         Missiles ?
         
         How good is the educated and diplomed physician/engineer in his own and translated       
         languages,maths and formulas written and Unit definition as physical process ?


         Teacher,tell me,please,what is one Volt ? In volume !? In weight !?
                                                        one Ampere ?
                                                        one Watt ?
         Henry,Siemens,Tesla,Torr,Sievert,.............

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #634 on: September 27, 2016, 09:38:09 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #635 on: September 27, 2016, 10:08:01 PM »
Why do you all blame poor old Lenz when it's really
Newton?
          John.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #636 on: September 27, 2016, 10:16:58 PM »
I am going to stick my neck way out here and probably get it cut off.  But I think this may be part of what Erfinder is trying to get us to see.  If you look at the attached circuit you will see that as you pulse the transformer one of the secondary windings is shorted.  When the pulse is removed the short is also removed allowing the collapsing magnetic field to charge the cap through the bridge I have across the other secondary winding.  The transformer is a standard 120 volt primary with a tapped secondary with an output of 12-0-12.  The interesting thing is with the coil shorting technique I can pulse the primary with only 12 volts and charge the cap to over 12 volts.  There should have been only 1.2 volts going to the cap.  But pulses do strange things with transformers.  And shorting one of the secondaries does even more strange things.

 Build this circuit and try it both when shorting the secondary and without shorting the secondary.  See what you get.  You can use whatever you want to control the transistors but I have included a simple 555 timer circuit if you don't have a function generator or microprocessor to give you the pulses.


Carroll,

It has come to my attention that the 680 ohm resistor for Q1 going to the bottom of the coil could lead to problematic operation of Q1.

Would it not be better to go to the top of the coil? (battery Plus)

Thanks,

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #636 on: September 27, 2016, 10:16:58 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #637 on: September 27, 2016, 10:17:45 PM »
Newton and Lorentz Transformation : + https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lew_Dawidowitsch_Landau
                                             
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLew_Dawidowitsch_Landau&edit-text=
                                                           + https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Dmitrijewitsch_Sacharow  Slojka(Blätterteig) Design

           page 43,# 643 : hyperphysics-link nuclear (thermocryobaric) power

 BiNomische              Term
                                 Terminology
                               DeTerminanten 
                               DeTermination
 
U.S.A.      Atomar/Nuclear program developed in co-development by german re-/searcher/scientists
U.S.S.R.                                                          idem
                 f.e. "The red Baron" von Ardenne
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FManfred_von_Ardenne&edit-text=
 
West-Germany,counter-part : Carl_Friedrich_von_Weizsäcker


https://www.google.pt/search?client=opera&q=binomische+determination&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850508&CC=EP&NR=0140041A1&KC=A1

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Corea-war : (east-) german consult strategy    who won ?   How and why ?
                                                                                             Probably Clausewitz, do not know !
                                                                                             For me not of interest !   
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                                        Lenz free generator : SUPERCONDUCTOR
 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georg_Bednorz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Alexander_Müller

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #638 on: September 27, 2016, 11:07:47 PM »

Carroll,

It has come to my attention that the 680 ohm resistor for Q1 going to the bottom of the coil could lead to problematic operation of Q1.

Would it not be better to go to the top of the coil? (battery Plus)

Thanks,

Ron

Ron,

I see what you mean but I built it like the schematic and it seemed to work OK that way.  I have used that same idea of the resistor from collector to base with an opto-coupler for controlling relays with no problem also.  But a high resistance load or straight resistance could cause a voltage drop at the collector to be large enough to cause problems with the resistor connected there.  If I was going to go to the top of the coil I would probably increase the resistance value according to what transistor I was using.  By the way I didn't show on the schematic but the transistors are 2n3055s.

Carroll

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #639 on: September 27, 2016, 11:33:30 PM »
Ron,

I see what you mean but I built it like the schematic and it seemed to work OK that way.  I have used that same idea of the resistor from collector to base with an opto-coupler for controlling relays with no problem also.  But a high resistance load or straight resistance could cause a voltage drop at the collector to be large enough to cause problems with the resistor connected there.  If I was going to go to the top of the coil I would probably increase the resistance value according to what transistor I was using.  By the way I didn't show on the schematic but the transistors are 2n3055s.

Carroll


Hey Carroll, can you tell me some things about your circuit? 


With the circuit as is and the capacitor discharged to 0v, how much potential available in the cap is harvested from the collapsing magnetic field after one pulse?


Now take the same circuit (starting at zero volts) and remove the shorting transistor so that the coil does not short, how much potential is gathered in the cap  after one pulse?


And one last one... Can you take the above two situations and repeat them, but this time adding a FWBR to the primary and funnel that into your output cap in addition to the secondary?  By putting this across the primary, it is going to fill the cap to a starting point of Vbat - 2 diode drops of voltage.    From here we can calculate energy by taking the difference in energy of the two potentials.


I would do this but am working on rewinding a motor core and don't have a lot of time...


Thanks


Dave

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #640 on: September 27, 2016, 11:51:18 PM »
Hi Dave,

Well I did my testing on this circuit a month or so ago and will have to put it back together to do the tests you asked for.  I am currently taking care of my wife who had foot surgery last week so my actual time for testing is somewhat limited.  I will try to do that for you in the next day or so.  I will post the results.

Carroll

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #641 on: September 28, 2016, 12:08:05 AM »
Carroll,


Don't worry about it.  I can assemble it if I am so inclined.  I just thought you had it sitting around.


THanks

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #642 on: September 28, 2016, 12:59:54 AM »

"I have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of a given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction."


Nikola Tesla



OMG - You have NO IDEA what this means!!! Oompa Loompa Magic!!!

The great Nicola Tesla, who's name, and works, are completely misconstrued by people like yourself, worked with Resonance, this is a Resonance condition that Nikola Tesla was talking about! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.

You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #643 on: September 28, 2016, 01:19:07 AM »


OMG - You have NO IDEA what this means!!! Oompa Loompa Magic!!!

The great Nicola Tesla, who's name, and works, are completely misconstrued by people like yourself, worked with Resonance, this is a Resonance condition that Nikola Tesla was talking about! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

When the Coils XC is equal to its XL there only exists the “ohmic resistance” which we know today as the DC Resistance.

You are VERY CLEARLY TRYING TO MISS-LEAD PEOPLE with YOUR TOTAL MISS-UNDERSTANDINGS of the most basic Science concepts.

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Team Bedini have there own science--this is why they have so many !self runners!  :D

An inductor with no self inductance ,is just a length of wire--a bathroom heater  ;)


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #644 on: September 28, 2016, 01:19:54 AM »

Would this circumvention have anything to do with charging then discharging while the inductance is rising (dL/dt giving rise to negative resistance) VS charging in low inductive state, pausing to let the inductance rise, then discharging? 


Thanks


Dave


Dave, the inductance of a Coil changes in time with the Magnetic Field (B) change in time. So every time the Magnetic Field changes in value, so does the Inductance.

If the Magnetic Field were stationary, and the Coil Stationary, but a means were implemented to vary the Inductance in Time, then an EMF would also be generated - This is another way to view the Parametric Oscillator.

Reactance:
   Inductive Reactance (XL)
   Capacitive Reactance (XC)

Each one of these values in a Coil are a Measure of the Coils performance vs Frequency, never will these values be Zero unless no Frequency is applied.

These values present a Resistance to the Change, known as Impedance (Z) which also is inclusive of the "Omic Resistance" that was mentioned.



So don’t be fooled by the King of BS!!!


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