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Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 263073 times)

Offline SkyWatcher123

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2016, 06:52:40 PM »
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2016, 01:33:25 AM »
Hi folks, Hi i-ron, in your last test, with the axial rotor, with slugs, is there a permanent magnet across from the generator coil.
If there is a permanent magnet and the slugs are closing the magnetic circuit between permanent magnet and coil/core, i would suggest it is possible, the slugs are saturating and causing a lentz effect.
The rotating ferromagnetic material, needs to be below saturation.
To allow any induction in generating coil, to cause the rotating slug to be attracted into the coil/core on approach.
I've built a test model, kind of similar to this, but different and it did not suffer any saturation issues.
peace love light


Hi Sky,


Yes there is a magnet there. This design is from Dieter's PDF, post #44, "Reverse Lorentz  Force Anomaly"


Thanks for the suggestion... I will investigate that


Ron


Quote page 3 of Dieter's PDF


Possible implementations
 As the iron body is basicly attracted by the permanent magnet, this gradient of force must be
 compensated by some kind of lever / counterforce system as described further below (Fig. 4).
 It is a fact that the maximum field strength will never be higher that the one with the fixed
 distance between coil and permanent magnet. This comparatively low output versus apparatus
 size ratio may be compensated by stronger permanent magnets, or by a feedback of the output
 into an electromagnet, such as in selfexciting generators, however, it demands for high
 induction, high precision and low friction design.
 To be discussed may be whether or not the reactive field of the coil reduces the attraction of
 the iron body by the permanent magnet while approaching (Fig. 0b), and reduces the repelling
 while being repelled (Fig. 0a).
 It may well be that the loss of attraction by the permanent magnet (caused by opposing domains
 in the iron body due to the opposing coil field) is compensated by the repelling force of the
 reactive coil field, but meanwhile there is already a current flow, basicly free of the Lenz law.
 Likewise, the iron body is more attracted by the permanent magnet when moving away from it
 because the field strength is amplified by the coil. But at the same time the iron body will be  attracted by the coil as well, so again the two additional forces cancel each other out, while
 there is actually a current flow.
 Compared to conventional induction, this is quite diffrent: in conventional induction the
 inducing magnet is repelled _only_ while approaching the coil, and it is attracted _only_ when
 moving away. Classic Lenz' law 1-0-1.
 Nevertheless, based on the possible selfcanceling features of the described additional forces,
 selfaccelleration probably may not occur. However, there is still power generation without the
 "brakeing", reactive Lorentz force, which by it's own is sensational and a violation of "the law".
 Rotating systems (Fig 1abcd, 2, 3) have been evaluated. While the Reverse Lorentz Force
 Anomaly was observed too, there are indications that the approximation of the iron body from
 the side may be complicating the interactions of attracting and repelling forces, making the
 design trickier. However, in close proximity, where field strengths are more significant, the
 anomaly was clearly observed.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2016, 01:39:24 AM »
Some time back(years ago now) i made a device i called the L.A.G (lenz assisted generator).
Below is a picture of a larger version of that,that i am very close to finishing. snip

I just finished machining up the rotor tonight,so it's not to far away now from completion.

Brad


Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2016, 01:39:24 AM »
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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2016, 01:42:45 AM »
I am modifying this old setup.
all 8 magnets N facing (bucking)

and I totally agree, Lenz assisting is the way, . . as much as possible  ;)
one voltage peak in between two peaks of current . . . what a challenge !!!

Alvaro


Let us know how it runs.


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2016, 02:55:17 AM »

I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.

Regards




Erfinder, how can you say that? after he has told us so much about his generator?


It is the biggest he has ever built, he has a machinist friend that worked on it, he has it back now and has done a test and it uses more then it did before... I mean how much more can we ask for? LOL


Ron

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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2016, 06:05:24 PM »
What you were told is useless.  Don't take my word for it.....do something with what you were told prove me wrong.

Regards


First of all you have to have a feeling for (English) humour. I realize that that might not translate well.


What I said was confirmation of your statement ...
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I have receive more insight from the residue in the bottom of a coffee cup.[/size]
I found that very humorous! what I said was yes, he has given us nothing, the size etc was a parody


We are on the same page, laugh


Ron



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2016, 09:54:42 PM »

My bad....I didn't realize you were having a bit of fun.  I take this stuff too serious, more serious than he does.

Regards


Not a problem. The problem is Dieter has turned into another Dave. He has put out an idea but has then gone quiet.


Did I understand the concept? probably not


Did I get the dimensions and proportions right? definitely not


Has he been of any help in correcting my misconceptions? no


Has Dave shown a working model? no


Has Dieter shown a working model? no


Can I continue with either project? no


Are both devices pie in the sky? YES


Back to my coffee for answers, LOL


Ron


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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #67 on: July 27, 2016, 05:04:19 PM »
...Have they presented any ideas on "where" we should be looking for the energy we seek, the real energy?  Big fat no there too......Time to clear your memory of all that junk, install a new operating system, and run towards your idea of truth and reality, better yours than someone elses.

Regards


AMEN!


Thanks


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #68 on: July 28, 2016, 02:53:02 PM »

Thanks Brad, it will be interesting to see how it performs.


Thanks for sharing your work in progress, what will the rotor look like?


Ron

Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #69 on: July 28, 2016, 04:57:50 PM »
Ok,so i have given the L.A.G it's first run.
Below is a scope shot across each gen coil-blue trace is one gen coil,and yellow the other gen coil.
I have a 10 ohm load on each gen coil,and as expected,the motor speeds up under load--quite a bit more than i was expecting,along with a 50%+ drop in P/in

The output on the gen coils is being clamped ATM,by a 12 volt battery being used to arrest the BackEMF spike on the primary coils.

Will post more as i get all the circuit put together,and cleaned up.


Brad


Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #70 on: July 29, 2016, 01:02:02 AM »

Congratulations! That looks (and sounds) quite promising!  Two or four poles on the rotor? Much clearance?


Will be watching, thanks for sharing


Ron

There are 4 poles on the rotor-alternating pattern-as the scope shot reflects.
The clearance ATM between pole pieces and rotor magnets,is about 10mm-but still yet to fine tune that,as this was just a quick !throw the rotor on,and give it a spin! run.

Quick P/in-P/out measurements.

P/in= 24v @ 350mA
P/out-as per scope values=
 coil A= 6.6 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor
Coil B= 7 VRMS over 10 ohm resistor.
There is also a 12 volt battery being charged at the same time,but i did not calculate for that.
Even so,there is obviously a large measurement error there some where,and i will find out where it is over the weekend.


Brad

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Offline i_ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2016, 05:38:08 PM »
It's been a few days, and as is usual, no one seems to give a damn about the real issue.  Why in the hell is an increase in inductive reactance being celebrated as a step in the right direction? 


This is complete and utter insanity, in a word, USELESS!  I mean no offense, however, it seems that the intelligence of those who do think is being challenged, and as such something must be said.  We are well aware of what governs consumption in motors....right?  Understanding that, when the consumption drops, we must refer back to that which governs consumption!  From here its clear that the application of load modifies the reactive cross section of the motor circuit, in this case is not so much an increase in inductance, but more like the voltage and its associated current which are induced in the generator winding proper, are of such a polarity and phase that it augments the motor CEMF, raising it, the mechanism for this augmentation is transformer action, transformer action in a circuit of poor geometric relation. 

In the end, the motors ability to limit its consumption has been amplified by a whopping 50%!  Lenz isn't helping you here, hes getting 50% more out of you, but who am I....you people can and will believe whatever you want. 


Regards


I was bring quiet because I was looking at JB's zero force motor... and didn't want anyone to find that out, lol


Ron


PS: do you have any models or drawings to illustrate your ideas?

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #72 on: August 06, 2016, 08:42:46 PM »



About a month ago I uploaded a video demonstrating an unconventional means for generating acceleration under load.

regards


Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2016, 09:19:10 PM »

Is the video still up? do you have a link please?


Ron

Dear Ron.

Here you go.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOBNFgayaAc

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2016, 09:37:46 PM »

 

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