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Offline web000x

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #525 on: September 21, 2016, 02:22:44 AM »




One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron


I've always admired your handy work.  Looks  good.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #526 on: September 21, 2016, 02:24:00 AM »




One for Chris...


https://youtu.be/41B4g4wELLM


Only running at 1440 RPM, need to rework the pulleys, but anyway, first run


Ron



Hi Ron - Beautiful!!!

I know you are well versed in these areas, but if I may say, look at the magnetic Fields, see whats happening to them. If you have a Magnetic Probe, check the Field in the Gap while placing different load resistances on the device.

You can see in your video, there is a very slight slow down with load, then speed picks back up again.

The Gap you have, between the poles, if it can be adjusted, then this can change the observable behaviours of the running of the machine.

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

Very nice Ron!!! Thumbs up as always from me!


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #527 on: September 21, 2016, 02:27:12 AM »
Hey Brad
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[/size]o,some quick power calculations show that i am sending 81% of the P/in to the charge battery.[/font]This means that i only have to be able to generate 19% of the input power,and send it back to the run battery,with my (to come) cap dump system.[/size]Once we do that,we have a self runner-right  . Well as small as that 19% sounds,having tried this before,i know it is a very big ask. There is also the fact that lead acid and AGM batteries,only have about an 80% charge efficiency,where you would need to send 100 amp hours to the battery,to get only 80 amp hours out of it,as there is about a 20% loss in charging these batteries. So we are actually looking for around another 39% of the input power-just to gain unity -but who knows how that will change,having the small inductive spike in there as well.


This is where the one input/output cap would really shine in my opinion. No calculations to speak of, no non-sinusoidal wave forms meters have trouble with and no dissecting of wave forms to calculate power . Simply one capacitor which either loses voltage or gains voltage. It is also very easy to measure efficiency as whatever the external DC input is to the capacitor to maintain the voltage which drives the system are the losses in the system. Think of it as a free energy meter and if the input ever approaches zero and beyond... well then your the man.


We all know the drill and generally every circuit element invokes losses...so it may be that less is more. If it does not add to the generation function then discard it and if it does expand on it. Nice clean build.


AC




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #527 on: September 21, 2016, 02:27:12 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #528 on: September 21, 2016, 03:05:14 AM »
Hi Ron
Seems to run quite smooth--nice build.
What are the two meters showing?


Brad


The meter on the left shows output voltage... the right hand meter shows input amps, well, mV over the shunt. The shunt is 50 mV = 25 amps.


Ron
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #529 on: September 21, 2016, 05:14:48 AM »


Hi Ron - Beautiful!!!

I know you are well versed in these areas, but if I may say, look at the magnetic Fields, see whats happening to them. If you have a Magnetic Probe, check the Field in the Gap while placing different load resistances on the device.

You can see in your video, there is a very slight slow down with load, then speed picks back up again.

The Gap you have, between the poles, if it can be adjusted, then this can change the observable behaviours of the running of the machine.

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

Very nice Ron!!! Thumbs up as always from me!


   Chris Sykes
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Thanks Chris!


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #530 on: September 21, 2016, 11:58:51 AM »
New window motor up and running.

What is the difference between my H wave,and all the others?

Brad

It looks just like a house ??

 :)

Cheers Grum.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #531 on: September 21, 2016, 10:47:03 PM »

I learnt a lot in my build, I hope others find it as usefull.

   Chris Sykes
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As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.


I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'


For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)

In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)

And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!

Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.

Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)

Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #532 on: September 21, 2016, 11:10:25 PM »
Excuse me,i_ron,but how you like to describe your progress this let me remembering about the kind of description from Carlos Subieta Garron in his paper 1969 !
I will offer his paper for comparing
https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442



I saw that his nephew did a progress : http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text=

I do not offend you,I am also interested in progress !
Here the nephew patent publication,for me also new,so I will not comment it !
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092


If you see who did refered/cited the other work from this bolivian inventor you will not become angry or underestimated:
https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141
http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #533 on: September 22, 2016, 01:20:26 AM »
Excuse me,i_ron,but how you like to describe your progress this let me remembering about the kind of description from Carlos Subieta Garron in his paper 1969 !
I will offer his paper for comparing
https://www.google.ch/patents/US4064442



I saw that his nephew did a progress : http://www.paginasiete.bo/miradas/2015/12/20/boliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.paginasiete.bo%2Fmiradas%2F2015%2F12%2F20%2Fboliviano-revoluciono-rendimiento-motores-80813.html&edit-text=

I do not offend you,I am also interested in progress !
Here the nephew patent publication,for me also new,so I will not comment it !
http://www.google.com/patents/US20080030092


If you see who did refered/cited the other work from this bolivian inventor you will not become angry or underestimated:
https://www.google.com/patents/US3368141
http://alt-sci.ru/en/wiki/Vortical_transformers


Thank you for your interest and the links. Very interesting. Kind of takes this to a new level. It reminds me of another magnet assisted by an electromagnet motor ... I can't remember the name?


Ron

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #534 on: September 22, 2016, 01:26:04 AM »
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Is this your best motor-generator concept?

Lol,no
Im just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.

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Is this the best you have to offer on how one "can" deal with Lenz

Again-no.
I do not !deal! with Lenz--i encourage it  ;)
That is nothing more than a simple window motor-a motor that has little use,but fun to build.

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I see this wave you are demonstrating and I see what I have always seen, I see what we are always shown, and I say to myself, this can't be all he has to offer.  I say that because I am no one in the eyes of those who speak with authority.  I have nothing they say....I beg the differ....I too have a wave, a wave that looks like a house, an H wave....My position here is the same as it was when I was talking about this with those who cheerlead the "window motor" as its inventor presents it.  I told them as I am telling you, you people don't see what he sees.  The message is wasted on you.  Your wave.....is not what we are after, and as cruel as this may sound, I am not trying to offend you, nor downplay your effort.  I am simply telling it like no one else will.

The H wave is nothing special,and is what we would expect to see. Mine just has a very large generating phase after the inductive spike,due to the rotor design being used-which in itself,is nothing special.

There was very little effort placed on this build,in fact,it was just a 2 hour project-yet to be completed.

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You like my cheesy videos, you are going to love this cheesy photo....A video will follow.  Keep in mind, this is not my best.....this is me smelling the roses as I was strolling through the park one day.  I know..big talk for a fuzzy photo with no data....I do this on purpose.  Keep an eye out for the video, I will show you what a BS science understanding allows an umpa loompa to do with a properly engineered apparatus..

Not going to take a guess at what the scope shot is showing,as there are many devices,and many ways to produce such a trace. If i narrow my on time,and place the probe across the drive coil of my window motor,the trace would look much the same as the one you present.

Im not into the umpa loompa science--that is between you and EMJ  :D

Looking forward to your video.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #535 on: September 22, 2016, 04:30:43 AM »

As Richard Nixon would say, "let me make one thing perfectly clear". So here I am not talking about COP, rather COST. For sake of argument I am not counting the 100 watts or so that the prime mover is drawing, rather, just the small increase in draw between load and no load.


I will call this 'my efficiency of induction'


For example, at 629 RPM the increased draw from no load to load was 2,4 watts. While the output was 1,25 watts (About 52 %)

In the video I have: 1440 RPM, an increase of 6 watts for an output of 4.7 watts (78 %)

And now the best part, with the increased pully ratio I was able to get up to 4843 RPM, BUT, at 3000 RPM the increase was 7.8 watts for an output of 9.97 watts!!!

Higher RPM's and this ratio started to drop, so around 3000 RPM is the sweet spot.

Here is a couple of scope shots... first, no load, second under load (probe set to X 10)

Ron



Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you’re explaining!!!


   Chris Sykes
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #536 on: September 22, 2016, 08:13:34 AM »
Hey Brad
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Im just filling in time,waiting for AC's first presentation of his pulse motor that is going to kick my ass. Once he has presented the best he has,then i will deliver my final design.


Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #537 on: September 22, 2016, 11:17:47 AM »



I am sorry to hear about your Horse AC!

It is sad, In a better place now!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #538 on: September 22, 2016, 12:07:11 PM »
Hey Brad

Your waiting on me?, I never knew nor dared to imagine such a thing... little old me?. I have many people waiting for me with supposed cheque books. I guess my problem, of which I have many, is that at some point along the line I just stopped caring about impressing other people. Maybe it's one of those things which comes with age...maybe it isn't.


My theory is I'm just a guy who knows a lot of shit and if you ask me a question I'm usually the guy with a workable answer. It was never hey look at my big words or hey look at my scope shot it was always... how do you work around the problem at hand to find a solution. So yes I will get around to showing my latest build however this afternoon one of my horses broke it's leg and we had to put her down. I loved that horse, an Arabian, and I'm going to have to bury her tomorrow by myself. So as you can imagine impressing some person I don't even know is the least of my concerns and in fact it always has been.


You want to impress someone...show me something I don't know, something I haven't built for myself in the last decade. Here is the deal Brad... when I show you something the whole fucking world is going to know and when I do it was never because I was trying to impress you or someone else it is because I care. If the impetus which drives us is not empathy then your just another asshole, it's that simple in my opinion.


AC

Well,must have been the day to put down our beloved pet's,as we had to put one of our dogs down today--such is life :(

But i must say,i am confused about the rest of your post,as this was your idea of a friendly little comp.
To quote post 264
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.
1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.
2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.
3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.
4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.
5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.
You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.


And post 493
All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.

One minute you are going to show us how it's all done,and the next,your not interested in the very competition you set the rules for--you no longer wish to show us how it's done ???

Oh well-what ever.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #539 on: September 22, 2016, 05:28:57 PM »


Hi Ron - Awesome!

If you plot the Magnetic Field in the Gap vs the Output, there may be a surprise there also... This, the WardForce Generator, is a very handy learning tool! The learning of the Induction aspects are awesome!!! This is not a new concept though!

The Rotor does see a reduced Drag at a certain point; Lenz's Law is reduced, as Ron is saying. This is not OU, but the Rotor does not see a 1:1, less losses, Drag Ratio from Lenz's Law.

Ron this is very helpful to all here, I hope they can see and understand what you’re explaining!!!

   Chris Sykes
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Thanks Chris, even at 81 I still occasionally run on ego... and that was a big boost, LOL


Love those old pics! them old boys knew their stuff.


A couple of clarifications for those following this. I mentioned rotor cogging at the gap... well that was without the end bars and the cogging "nearly" went away with end bars in place, duh. Next, I an only using one end bar (core) as with two, the flux strength is neatly divided in half so it is my suspicion that I can get max output from one coil as with two coils in parallel??? any ideas?

Will dig out the Gauss meter today...

Ron

 

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