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### Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 379462 times)

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #465 on: September 18, 2016, 06:17:24 AM »
And what happens when there is a change in reactance value ?

Reactance has two components, Inductive Reactance (XL) and Capacitive Reactance (XC) - So it really does depend on the Circuit and the Frequency with the Circuit's chosen "Values".

For example, when XL = XC, each cancel the other, and we have Resonance. But if the XL is predominant, then the power factor is lagging, inversely, Capacitive Reactance  (XC), then the power factor is leading.

So, what happens? It depends entirely on the Circuit, and the Frequency, but generally, we see an Impedance (Z), which is measured in Ohms (Ω) - This not entirely a Resistance so its worthy noting that calling this a resistance is not entirely correct, but looking at the definition:

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the effective resistance of an electric circuit or component to alternating current, arising from the combined effects of ohmic resistance and reactance.

Most people think of it as a Resistance.

But why? It, Reactance, is the "Resistance" to Change in the Circuit, Reactance, it reacts, in reverse, to the desired Change.

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #465 on: September 18, 2016, 06:17:24 AM »

#### barbosi

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #466 on: September 18, 2016, 07:46:16 AM »
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

Not a fan of Macrame (sic) Army hence I don't try to defend their actions or research.
But since we are talking about rubbish, I got news: technically speaking, the resistance of a coil does (sorry, I cannot spell it as "dose"), so  the resistance of a coil does change too, does not stay the same --LOL! With temperature! All because I read about bathroom heaters masqueraded as motors.

And since the science police didn't jump to correct the error, I got more news. I don't know where that "50Hz 10KVA Transformer" came up into discussion and I don't think erfinder is wasting his time on that frequency range (although I've seen a demonstration about amplifying harmonics content of a generator spun by hand). However back to the bathroom heater, an iron core will help raise the inductance, but I would ask politely the science police what is an iron core good for when is heated? Think Curie...

As I said, elementary school books. Those still tell the truth but people are selectively twisting the teachings.

As regarding Lenz, erfinder made public demonstrations about circumventing his Law. Who said thanks and then applying what has been learned? One might be gotoluc who took the idea and beat it to death in numerous lengthy tests and at the end ... silence. Nothing. Maybe he is busy now commercializing the idea, what do I know? Did he say thanks? Take a wild guess! Yeah it was a Oompa Loompa science from 19-th century applied by Tesla. But hey, if I didn't hear about that, it must be Oompa Loompa...

Science police... selective and it uses rude criticism.

#### tinman

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #467 on: September 18, 2016, 08:13:53 AM »

Science police... selective and it uses rude criticism.

Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands.

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #467 on: September 18, 2016, 08:13:53 AM »

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #468 on: September 18, 2016, 08:35:30 AM »
snip...
The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow,
snip...
You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #469 on: September 18, 2016, 09:09:17 AM »
@Emj
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But why? It, Reactance, is the "Resistance" to Change in the Circuit, Reactance, it reacts, in reverse, to the desired Change.

On a note of interest, before the term "Reactance" was invented everyone called any resistance to change "Resistance". Which has led to a great deal of confusion when reading old patents because resistance meant ohmic resistance and reactance.

I think the terminology seems skewed, take Inductance for example...
Inductance: is the property of an electrical conductor by which a change in current through it induces an electromotive force in both the conductor itself and in any nearby conductors by mutual inductance.

Is Inductance a property, attribute or component of something which conducts electricity?. I would think it is a property of moving charged particles which produce a changing magnetic field which then produces a force on other charged particles. Yet when we read the definition is gives us literally no insight into what actually happens. For instance by definition we could say charged particles streaming from the Sun have the property of Inductance... what the hell does that mean?. How, why, when and where would seem to be completely missing in action and the term seems meaningless.

Inductance would seem to the property(electrical conduction) of another property (a changing field) of yet another completely different property (an Emf) which then acts on the first supposed property. All lumped into one neat tidy little package which reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail in the dark.

AC

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #469 on: September 18, 2016, 09:09:17 AM »

#### barbosi

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #470 on: September 18, 2016, 09:13:46 AM »
Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands.

I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference.
The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
It would seem you must have missed my post some time back.
I do not try to defeat lenz. In fact,i try to do the very opposite to that of the thread title.
I try to increase lenz as much as i can,to the point where it exceeds that which created it in the first place.

Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....

#### tinman

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #471 on: September 18, 2016, 09:58:16 AM »
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The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....

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I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference

Perhaps you do not understand english so well?
To quote:

To circumvent--find a way around.

I repeat--Erfinder did no such thing--the law stands-you just dont know where to look.

So as to refresh your memory
Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.
which indicates that the induced voltage and the change in magnetic flux  have opposite signs.[1] It is a qualitative law that specifies the direction of induced current but says nothing about its magnitude. Lenz's Law explains the direction of many effects in electromagnetism, such as the direction of voltage induced in an inductor or wire loop by a changing current, or why eddy currents exert a drag force on moving objects in a magnetic field.

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #471 on: September 18, 2016, 09:58:16 AM »

#### tinman

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #472 on: September 18, 2016, 10:14:59 AM »
I did not say he beat the law, but apparently you cannot tell the difference.
The law stands as you say, however I stand correct, erfinder found at least one way not to fall into Lenz conditions and he has shown it.

If you don't trust me, ask gotoluc.
Who snoozes, looses...
What are you trying to do again? Aah:
Good luck with that.

What is what you are showing in your videos again? Confirming Lenz? That's rich....

You just dont get it-do you.

Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.

What happens when we increase this opposition to change in an electric motor?
When is the greatest BackEMF induced?
What is it that reduces current flow in an electric motor?

What i stated is correct--i try to increase the field that opposes the change that produced it.
I try to increase Lenz
The more you try to reduce(circumvent) Lenz,the more inefficient your device becomes.
If there is no opposition to current flow(no Lenz)(no impedance),then current would rise to a maximum value instantly in a motor and inductor.
If there was no Lenz in a generator,there would be no current flow at all.
Is it sinking in now?.

Oh look-i circumvented Lenz
As i said,it can hide where it cant be seen-if your not looking.

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #473 on: September 18, 2016, 10:24:36 AM »
You mean the impedance (Z) (of a series circuit) is equal to the Square Root of the Sum of (Resistance Squared plus the Reactance Squared) Assuming of course that you have already subtracted the XC from the XL (or vice verse, depending on whether XL or XC is the greater value)
Cheers

Hoptoad, there you go, thanks for correcting me! I am glad youre paying attention!

For others, I wrote a small app, I can share if you like?

Quote from: Chris Sykes

double Ohms = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Volts, 2) + Math.Pow(Amps, 2)));

double Real = (Resistance * Math.Cos(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));

double XL = (Resistance * Math.Sin(DegreeToRadian(PhaseAngle)));

double Impedance = Math.Sqrt((Math.Pow(Real, 2) + Math.Pow(XL, 2)));

double Inductance = XL / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency);

double Xc = 2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Inductance;

double Capacitance = 1 / (2 * Math.PI * Frequency * Xc);

I really do appreaciate being corrected, I am not perfect although I do try...

Chris Sykes
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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #473 on: September 18, 2016, 10:24:36 AM »

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #474 on: September 18, 2016, 10:57:09 AM »
@Emj

On a note of interest, before the term "Reactance" was invented everyone called any resistance to change "Resistance". Which has led to a great deal of confusion when reading old patents because resistance meant ohmic resistance and reactance.

I think the terminology seems skewed, take Inductance for example...
Inductance: is the property of an electrical conductor by which a change in current through it induces an electromotive force in both the conductor itself and in any nearby conductors by mutual inductance.

Is Inductance a property, attribute or component of something which conducts electricity?. I would think it is a property of moving charged particles which produce a changing magnetic field which then produces a force on other charged particles. Yet when we read the definition is gives us literally no insight into what actually happens. For instance by definition we could say charged particles streaming from the Sun have the property of Inductance... what the hell does that mean?. How, why, when and where would seem to be completely missing in action and the term seems meaningless.

Inductance would seem to the property(electrical conduction) of another property (a changing field) of yet another completely different property (an Emf) which then acts on the first supposed property. All lumped into one neat tidy little package which reminds me of a cat chasing it's tail in the dark.

AC

Most definitely! The terminology is skewed! Almost by Design?

Inductance is one that I like to refer to the old definition of "Induct" or "To Induct", this sounds like rubbish, but to me it makes very good sense:

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Definitions

noun
1. the act of inducting or state of being inducted

2. the act of inducing

3. (in an internal-combustion engine) the part of the action of a piston by which mixed air and fuel are drawn from the carburettor to the cylinder

4. logic
a. a process of reasoning, used esp in science, by which a general conclusion is drawn from a set of premises, based mainly on experience or experimental evidence. The conclusion goes beyond the information contained in the premises, and does not follow necessarily from them. Thus an inductive argument may be highly probable, yet lead from true premises to a false conclusion

b. a conclusion reached by this process of reasoning. Compare deduction (sense 4)

5. the process by which electrical or magnetic properties are transferred, without physical contact, from one circuit or body to another. See also inductance

6. biology the effect of one tissue, esp an embryonic tissue, on the development of an adjacent tissue

7. biochemistry the process by which synthesis of an enzyme is stimulated by the presence of its substrate

8. mathematics, logic
a. a method of proving a proposition that all integers have a property, by first proving that 1 has the property and then that if the integer n has it so has n + 1

b. the application of recursive rules

9.
a. a formal introduction or entry into an office or position

b. (as modifier) ⇒ induction course, ⇒ induction period

10. US the formal enlistment of a civilian into military service

11. an archaic word for preface

Some amount of insight can be gained by generalising the use of the term, so I agree with you: "To Induce a flow of Charged Particles"

Of course this is the "EMF" the Electro motive Force! But alas, Voltage is only a Potential, and EMF by definition is: "a difference in potential that tends to give rise to an electric current." So realistically, we have no Flow of Charged Particles, but instead, we have the potential for the Flow of Charged Particles!

Completely different things!

I guess, the definition of Induction should change to: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow"

Because the Flow of Charged Particles is Current and One Ampere is termed as: 6.25 × 1018 per second, but this is MMF, Magneto Motive Force and not EMF...

MMF, Magneto Motive Force is defined as: "a quantity representing the sum of the magnetizing forces along a circuit." - Which is true, but 180 Degrees out of phase, and in the Math there is not direction of travel, because there is no need in some situations.

There is also nothing in the equations to state that any Time Rate of change is needed for a Flow of Current. Only Voltage.

So, to stop boring all here with lengthy definitions, and the question of accuracy of them, we really should question all of it intensely if we are serious about this. There is a very large area where Holes exist, and if one properly understands the terms and how the terms fit together, them more sense can be made from this field. But, until that point, there lays a road of confusion and circles.

Chris Sykes
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#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #475 on: September 18, 2016, 11:15:02 AM »
You just dont get it-do you.

Lenz law-->The direction of current induced in a conductor by a changing magnetic field due to Faraday's law of induction will be such that it will create a field that opposes the change that produced it.

What happens when we increase this opposition to change in an electric motor?
When is the greatest BackEMF induced?
What is it that reduces current flow in an electric motor?

What i stated is correct--i try to increase the field that opposes the change that produced it.
I try to increase Lenz
The more you try to reduce(circumvent) Lenz,the more inefficient your device becomes.
If there is no opposition to current flow(no Lenz)(no impedance),then current would rise to a maximum value instantly in a motor and inductor.
If there was no Lenz in a generator,there would be no current flow at all.
Is it sinking in now?.

Oh look-i circumvented Lenz
As i said,it can hide where it cant be seen-if your not looking.

The ones here that choose not to understand this subject and deny the absolute most basic concepts of Science, and make big deal over temprature drifts, because they do not know any difference, are wrong!!!

I encourage you, do your own research, do your own experiments! Cross Check all what you are being told and learn for yourselves.

Current Flowing in a Coil constitutes a Magnetic Field, No Magnetic Field, No Current Flow, Period, will never in a Million Years change!!!

As was just discussed with AC:

I guess, the definition of Induction should change to: "To Induce the potential for Charged Particles to Flow"

The critical part, is what you do with the Magnetic Field!!!

Chris Sykes
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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #475 on: September 18, 2016, 11:15:02 AM »

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #476 on: September 18, 2016, 11:56:20 AM »

The induced voltage is greatest when rotor and stator fields are in quadrature relation.

The induced, specifically the induced voltage and current together "regulate" the applied current.

In my opinion, which doesn't matter, till it does....what you are suggesting is exactly what I identified, and stated, you are amplifying the influence that this concept has on your system. This is purpose defeating, we (speaking for myself and those who know becuase they have seen) don't want to increase its influence, we want to decrease it and allow it to return to the system regulated state, thereby creating an oscillation in what would otherwise steady state (steady state used loosely) condition.  Chris asked an important question regarding the inductance of the coil but then takes a step in the wrong direction in saying that increasing it brings one more in line with a parametric oscillator, the opposite is true, it's far easier to drop the inductance than it is to increase it.  Try increasing the inductance to the degree that you can decrease it, observe that you cannot!  Swings on the order of 100:1 are accomplished with relative ease when you "DECREASE" versus increase. This is how you parametrically excite, and from here ferroresonance can manifest as a side effect, you don't even plan for it, it just happens.....

Seriously, the system is terribly inefficient because 90+ percent of the applied is being annihilated by the induced.  Your efficiency increases as you decrease its hold on the system. The thing is, you cannot, the thing to see is we are dealing with a wave, and as such we know how waves behave when they encounter an impedance.  Your mission is to establish the proper impedance for the wave, when the wave meets this impedance a second wave manifests which can be used to counteract the negative influence of the wave which induced it. This is how you negate the effect of lenz, my dogma.

Erfinder - I dissagree.

Take a Coil with a Core, measure the inductance.
Place a large Magnet on the Core, measure the Inductance.

What is the difference going to be, in what direction? Of course every Transformer in the world does the same thing and not any of them are Parametric Oscillators!!!

To your credit, you do have some points. You are completely correct when you said: "In my opinion".

Chris Sykes
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#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #477 on: September 18, 2016, 12:17:33 PM »

@AC - I find MMF interesting, we know the equation is: MMF (F) = Turns (N) X Current (I)

So when an EMF is "Generated", if we draw a current from this Potential to have a Current Flow, then the MMF (F) is 180 Degrees out of Phase, and also it is equal and opposite, ideally, to the Source.

So, the MMF, a Current (I) through Turns (N) has its own Magnetising Force in the opposing Direction, all at the same Time (t), then there is a strong case for the associated properties of the Magnetic Field doing Work well past the boundary of the detectable Magnetic Field itself!

What do you think?

Chris Sykes
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#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #478 on: September 18, 2016, 12:29:57 PM »

The difference between us is I speak from my bench, and you from where you speak from, where you speak from isn't my bench.  I use the term opinion even though I am speaking from experience.

That to say this....by all means....disagree.

I just reread your post, and it hit me like a ton of bricks, you aren't familiar with dropping the inductance.  I never mentioned the use of magnets, nor implied anything about them, we aren't on the same page period.  You are disagreeing with something you have yet to verify yourself on the bench....I don't need magnets to manipulate the inductance of my system, nor do I need a change in current or flux...LOL.....  Furthermore, I disagree with you, every transformer, generator, and motor on the planet are parametric oscillators, that which differentiates them from those apparatus which can truly be classified as such is the amplitude of the oscillation.

Erfinder, yes, been there done that already - Graphed it - Publically avaliable on my site: http://www.hyiq.org/Updates/Update?Name=Update%2017-12-13

Guess what the Graph looks like?

Youre just too slow Erfinder!!! Wow you a good at talking!!! Shame its not reflected in your work!

Chris Sykes
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#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #479 on: September 18, 2016, 12:44:09 PM »

Great.....a chart.  How about a simple demo of you decreasing the inductance of a coil... followed by an equally simple demo of you increasing the inductance of a coil.

DEMO:

Take the Core Out. WhaLa "decreasing the inductance"

Put the Core back in. WhaLa "increasing the inductance"

Erfinder, you try so hard, but still youre still stuck on the: "In my opinion" bit - Maybe tonight you will wake up and get it?

I do doubt it!!! Too full of Piffle and Dribble!!! You - BIBS - Believe in BS

Chris Sykes
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P.S: A little more for you Dribble Boy: http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=Whats%20it%20going%20to%20take%20to%20Get%20OU%3F