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Re: Lenz free generator
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« Reply #451 on: September 17, 2016, 01:57:15 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #452 on: September 17, 2016, 02:05:52 PM »
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #453 on: September 17, 2016, 05:26:07 PM »

The sad thing is you actually listen to the resident Lenz Law guru wannabe.  Sad, but your choice, and sir, I do not stand in your way.  The device you have constructed is one of the nicest out there, and I am referring to your Teal machine, I have no comment on the device depicted above.  Copy paste junky is a lost cause, not your problem, had he done his homework on Mr. Ward, he would have suggested a much simpler build, one in which LOW INDUCTANCE LOW RESISTANCE coils were used. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4


I show the exact same effect using low inductance low resistance coils operating at low frequency, using coils which have cores, but no common magnetic circuit between them, and advance from here showing the same effect in an air core system.......continue to listen to chris, he is going to lead you to exactly what you don't want.  You demonstrated what you are capable of, I gave you a silent standing applaud when you brought out your Teal replication.  You want a real generator, copy paste junky doesn't know how to build one.  You will understand what I'm saying when that design you are working on as per his suggestion fails.


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Thanks for your comment on my Teal build, I am in shock!


I had seen the "take down" vid but as with most things I didn't have and couldn't find locally any decent sized laminations.
As our dish washer had bit the dust the motor laminations became the basic start for the core. Then an old ballast transformer for $10 from the recycle bandits gave me the long top and bottom pieces.


Working with laminations can be awkward at times, they must be clamped tightly but even at that, machining raises little burrs, the secret is to then grind a few thousands out to get rid of these "shorts" as H would call them.


Here my trusty old Black and Decker router is being pressed into service as a tool post grinder...


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #454 on: September 17, 2016, 05:43:43 PM »


Very Nice Ron!!!

Lots of turns on your Coil, like the shaded Pole Motor, and the MMF will be High, this the Magnetic Field. Start with one Coil at a time, then try 2 later on.

I learnt a lot from my build, no where near as good as yours!!!

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Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.


In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build.  But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #455 on: September 17, 2016, 05:50:40 PM »
Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad


The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #456 on: September 17, 2016, 10:46:52 PM »

Thanks Chris! We will see how it performs yet, eh? These things, so simple, do take time to construct.


In discussing the concept with Gyula, I had asked him what he thought of laminations, low speed and heavy gauge wire for the coils... so this is what I am working towards as a first build.  But today is shot for projects as we are off up island for my bro-in-law's birthday and Sunday is my day of rest, soooo, next week I can start the coils...


Ron



The Magnetic Flux Interactions in the WardForce Generator are very interesting to study Ron. Where one Flux is Relative to the Other! Changing the load can make a difference!

There is a lot to learn in this device, like I said, I found the WardForce Generator a great learning tool!

Perhaps, the most usefull is the Electromagnetic Induction component! Engineering the best output result for the most efficent Shaft Torque.

Honestly, the takedown video is not along the same lines as the orriginal device, this is misssing the small Air Gap, which is important!

The Video posted, is not the same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiEMKic_jx4


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #457 on: September 17, 2016, 11:42:46 PM »

Well since it seems that there is only to be rubbish posted here on this thread,here is some more.

See how poor old Petey struggles to explain his own solenoid motor,and gets it drastically wrong.
Another bathroom heater on display by the Macrame Army

The resistance of the coil stays the same--LOL
These guys really need to learn about changing coil inductance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cGg0NK4mjU


Brad

The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron




This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL’s Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned “Values” will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL’s Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total “Value” measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you’re right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #458 on: September 18, 2016, 12:31:43 AM »



A Coil's Inductance can vary greatly with the smallest change in Magnetic Field, so assuming the other parameters stay the same in a dynamically changing System is not a very safe bet!

The parametric Oscillator is dependent on the Inductance changing in the right direction during operation of the System. See Below Image:

Like I said, the Core Saturation reduces Inductance. The Coil is considered to become an Air Core at Saturation. So, a System that is the reverse, where the Inductance goes up as a result of the operation is more in line with a Parametric Oscillator.

The Inductance of a Coil is defined as:
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the property of an electric conductor or circuit that causes an electromotive force to be generated by a change in the current flowing.


A change in Current is the same as the change in the Magnetic Field! EMF is what we are looking to maximise and capitalise on.


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #459 on: September 18, 2016, 03:18:07 AM »
The macrome army is gradually learning, See P L is sneaking up on 'how to build a solenoid'.


A real one should look like this...(below)


Ron





This is mostly right, but why, well many will know the answer, but many wont!

Inductance has several factors that play a role in the "Value" of the Inductance. One factor is Core Material, this changes the "Value" of the Permeability (µ). This in turn changes the Coils Impedance (Z) = R + j X which has a "Value" measured in Ohms (Ω)

Where:
   R = DC Resistance (R)
   J = Indicating the Imaginary Unit
   X = Reactance (X)

And the + can be a Plus (+) or a Negative sign (-) indicating the Lead, Capacitive (XC) or Inductive (XL) of the Reactance (X).

So, PL’s Motor is at maximum Inductance (L) at Top Dead Centre (TDC) and as the Plunger falls the Inductance (L) will drop – All other above mentioned “Values” will change along with these changes.

For Example, why is it so, that if a Transformer Core Saturates, Electrical Breakdown or Burnout will occur? Because the Inductance (L) is mostly lost, thus the Reactive (X) components are lost, and the Coil is a straight DC Resistance (R)!

So PL’s Motor does see total change in Impedance, but the cycle, On / Off periods, will have a changing Reactance (X), but the DC Resistance (R) will stay the same. So one may see:  Z = 12 + j10 at the start of the Cycle, then see:  Z = 12 +j80 at top dead centre. This is a total “Value” measured in Ohms(Ω)

This is why Erfinders Air Cored 50Hz 10KVA Transformer will never work!!! It will have to be made the size of the Earth to make the Inductance (L) and thus the Reactance (X) high enough! I am exaggerating somewhat but you get the idea.

Being that the Magnetic Field (B), due to the flow of Cirrent (I) does change the Inductance (L) thus the Reactance (X) it would be interesting to Graph this and see the data. The Changes may not be as great as one may think. Or it may be more?


Ron you’re right, a closed Keeper is much more efficient, PL did show this in one of his videos. The Murakami Army seems to be losing all its momentum! A struggle for new blood is occurring! Have a nice time at the party!


   Chris Sykes
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As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.

You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.

Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.

These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.

Through replicating Luc's work(his latest DUT),we now have a way to see what the BackEMF value is--as the motor is running--on the fly,while increasing and decreasing the load on that motor.

Now that is useful--unlike that solenoid motor PL showed.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #460 on: September 18, 2016, 03:32:27 AM »
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How is that pulse motor coming along ?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #461 on: September 18, 2016, 04:31:18 AM »

As with all electromagnetic induction machines,i was referring to the resistance of current flow through the coil-impedance,caused by a change in inductance value.
Of course the stationary DC resistance remains the same,but what good is a stationary(not running) motor?.
When explaining a running motor as such as PL was !trying! to do,you should always be referring to the resistance to current flow,not the bloody rest state resistance of a coil of wire.




Brad, I think you have miss understood.

The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow, this includes the DC Resistance (R) and also the Reactive (X) Components! so we might see 102 Ohms of Impedance (Z) to the Current (I) - Which is 12 (DC Resistance (R)) + 80 (Reactance (X)) = 102 Ohme (Ω).

This is what regulates the Current Flow through a Coil of Wire, over Time (t).




You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.



Of course this is right, as with all "Generators" Faradays Law is solid. After all thats what the Fly Back, or Inductive Kick Back is, the time rate of change of the Magnetic Field.




Once again,like JMs dynaflux generator,we see the macrame army bringing out the worst of the worst.
The books of secrets should be renamed to--how to make idiotic bathroom heaters.

These guys(the macrame army crew),try so hard to push motors that are not generator-such as the one PL just showed in that video. This thread title is about trying to defeat Lenz,when in actual fact,you should be trying to increase Lenz,trying to make a motor that is also a very efficient generator. I have shown just how much current a brushed DC motor draws when there is no self induced BackEMF--12 volts at over 15 amps,but when the BackEMF is present,it draws 12 volts at 300mA--and can now also do work.



Yes, agreed, again, Lenz's Law is important! It is Energy in the Coil!!! Its Current with Potential, and yes we need to maximise this to the best of our abiity!!!

We dont want this to reflect directly back on our Input, however!!!

So, Defeating Lenz's Law is perhaps not the best term, thus the reason I bought forward the WardForce Generator. This machine shows how it is possible to redirect the Magnetic Field, so there is no direct reflection back on the Input, this enables the Rotor to Speed Up, and the higher the load, the faster the Rotor will spin. Not new I know, but as I said a good learning tool for those that want to learn. Its cheap and easy to build!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #462 on: September 18, 2016, 05:20:34 AM »

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You can place all the keepers you like around the coil,to try and make it more efficient,but simply replacing that chunk of iron(the piston) with a PM will improve the efficiency of that solenoid motor 5x plus for the same P/in,and no keepers required around the coil--oh,and it will also deliver more electrical energy to the charge battery.

Brad


Ah yes, but then on each portion of the stroke you have a induced EMF, turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems. A plain steel plunger does not generate/induce on the return stroke. On the "power stroke" with a fixed center pin the plunger and fixed pin wish, very strongly, to unite and become the block wall. This is where the force is in a properly designed solenoid.


Mind you there is one experiment I have not tried yet and that is an external magnet, which seems to have a positive effect sometimes.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #463 on: September 18, 2016, 05:23:26 AM »


Brad, I think you have miss understood.



This is what regulates the Current Flow through a Coil of Wire, over Time (t).




Of course this is right, as with all "Generators" Faradays Law is solid. After all thats what the Fly Back, or Inductive Kick Back is, the time rate of change of the Magnetic Field.



Yes, agreed, again, Lenz's Law is important! It is Energy in the Coil!!! Its Current with Potential, and yes we need to maximise this to the best of our abiity!!!

We dont want this to reflect directly back on our Input, however!!!

So, Defeating Lenz's Law is perhaps not the best term, thus the reason I bought forward the WardForce Generator. This machine shows how it is possible to redirect the Magnetic Field, so there is no direct reflection back on the Input, this enables the Rotor to Speed Up, and the higher the load, the faster the Rotor will spin. Not new I know, but as I said a good learning tool for those that want to learn. Its cheap and easy to build!

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The Impedance (Z), is the Sum of the DC Resistance (R) + the Reactance (X), to Current (I) Flow, this includes the DC Resistance (R) and also the Reactive (X) Components! so we might see 102 Ohms of Impedance (Z) to the Current (I) - Which is 12 (DC Resistance (R)) + 80 (Reactance (X)) = 102 Ohme (Ω).

And what happens when there is a change in reactance value ?

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Mind you there is one experiment I have not tried yet and that is an external magnet, which seems to have a positive effect sometimes.


Ron

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Ah yes, but then on each portion of the stroke you have a induced EMF, turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems. A plain steel plunger does not generate/induce on the return stroke. On the "power stroke" with a fixed center pin the plunger and fixed pin wish, very strongly, to unite and become the block wall. This is where the force is in a properly designed solenoid.

Regardless of whether it is a steel piston,or a PM piston,it is still a generator when running,if not,what is charging the battery shown in the video?--yes,a generated current from the collapsing magnetic field. An inductor is a current source.
Second,as soon as current flows through the coil,the steel piston becomes a temporary magnet,that has an opposite field to that of the solenoid,if it did not,it would not be attracted to the field generated by the solenoid.

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turning it into a generator and with it, all the associated generator problems

And this is where the thinking is wrong.
Problems arise when there is no generating action. When you reduce or eliminate BackEMF,you make your self a bathroom heater.

I have just started building a solenoid motor,as i have not really built one before--only on a small scale. Once done,we will be able to swap out the PM piston for a steel,iron one,and we can then see which is more efficient,in both inductive kickback energy,and mechanical output power,for a given P./in.


Brad

 

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