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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #405 on: September 14, 2016, 04:54:39 PM »
@tinman

I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.


1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.


2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.


3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.


4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.


5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.


You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.


AC

Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?

First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  :D

Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  ;)
What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI


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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #406 on: September 14, 2016, 04:58:35 PM »

Personally I hope Erfinder doesn't give anything away on a silver platter because that would spoil all the fun.

AC


Is a lack of empathy, bordering on rudeness, just a prerequisite for this forum?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #407 on: September 14, 2016, 05:15:54 PM »

Is a lack of empathy, bordering on rudeness, just a prerequisite for this forum?


Ron

Only from some Ron.
Some of us show what is,and some play--riddle me this.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #407 on: September 14, 2016, 05:15:54 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #408 on: September 14, 2016, 10:42:13 PM »
Hi Erfinder,

Thanks for showing 'something' (as you put it) and I hope some folks can do such tests and they would still get something further on in this process from you.  I do not think your 20 minutes were in vain... 
I have been engaged in another project and having my 'lab' on the kitchen table in a block of flats I can proceed slowly (anyway this kind of tinkering is a hobby for me).  So I cannot join 'your class' as a participating student any time soon.

Greetings,
Gyula

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #409 on: September 15, 2016, 12:20:48 AM »
Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?

First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  :D

Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  ;)
What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI


Brad


Interesting, but video exceeds my attention span, LOL
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #409 on: September 15, 2016, 12:20:48 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #410 on: September 15, 2016, 12:53:16 AM »
Hi Erfinder,

I think that when JB put the core into the coil, the input current dropped  (say to a few mA from the earlier 200 mA, full scale was 5 A) because the inserted core increased the L inductance of the so far air cored coil hence the AC impedance also increased. So the current consumption decreased, it had to.

What I did not understand back at the time when he released that video was why he mentioned the no back emf feature? Because the induced voltage in the coil was shown on the scope...  see attached shot where I put an arrow to the induced peak voltage.
Later on JB showed the advanced version on his zero force motor and it included 2 half toroidal coil sets, here the back emf may have indeed been cancelled but not with the single coil version shown above.

If you disagree with any of these, please give your thoughts on them. Probably you have differing thoughts, for you mention a Tesla patent on the concept... 

Now I know I misunderstood what you wasted on the 20 minutes, sorry for that...

Thanks, Gyula

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #411 on: September 15, 2016, 01:22:26 AM »

 


Start building.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKuz3Yr6nmA


.  I can see many already turning their nose up at the mentioning of hv, as there's no power there....I pity  those (no i don't) who lack forsight necessary to see how utterly stupid such an opinion is.  Why not post this at the onset of the discussion?  It's on topic?  The simple answer, build it and learn why!  The funniest quote I got from a real guru was this....."you won't power your house with a rollerskate."


Oh, and for the record, you demonstrate once again that you are owned by the, your, adversary, Lenz.  Consumption decrease is not a sign that you are winning.

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You have got to be kidding Erfinder--really  :o

You show a coil shorting circuit placed across a stepper motor,and you think you have shown something wonderful lol.
Did you not watch my video carefully,where i show the very same,only at a slower RPM,and with the use of weak ceramic magnets.
My-how far behind you really are.

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Why is my demo important, well.....it's the most stupid simple hv generator that anyone can build if they were so inclined.  When tuned, it exhibits the lowest possible drag of any generator that I have yet to build using off the shelf shit

Your video is only about 80 years behind the rest of the world-->see pic.
The only reason you think that a stepper motor produces very little drag,is the very same reason you think the dynaflux generator is wonderful.You-like Jim,have no idea where to look,when you think something is doing something wonderful.
I have shown-not so long ago,a stepper motor driving 2x 1 watt incandescent bulbs,without any reflection what so ever on the prime mover--big deal,there is nothing out of the ordinary there,and as long as you shun measuring equipment the way you do,you will remain behind the rest of the world-just as you are now.

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20 minutes gone....and for what....  wanna show them something, throw together an SG no power supply at all....the circuit should charge its own supply cap, and that cap should then be pulsed across the motor winding.....neons should light up if you got one

So many words of !wisdom!  ::).
So will you be goining myself and AC in our little build off,and put your self running SG  ::) up for show?-or,is it as usual,just more talk?.

....here's the catch...
EVERYONE KNOWS THIS, OR SHOULD BE BEATEN TO A PULP WITH THEIR SG MACHINES FOR NOT KNOWING!
Instead of a meter and CVR clarification, it would have made more sense, you being a SG guru, for you to have discussed how and why the SG is and will always be a generator.


The SG is,always has been,and always will be,just a mechanically switched boost converter-nothing more.
By the way,the pulse motor i just built,is not an SG.
The !SG! was designed and built many years before JB came on the scene--he just stole the idea,and made it his own.
Many here have posted links to the original builders of the !SG! motor.

So,as i said,you are that far behind Erfinder,that you cant see past your own stupidity.
See that 1906 phone bell ringer below ?-well that is your stepper motor,but with mechanical points coil shorting--and it will light 6x 110 volt neons in series,with a simple slow crank of the handle--oh,and with less drag than your stepper motor has lol.

As i said,you are so far behind,it is not funny  :-[ :-[

Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #412 on: September 15, 2016, 01:35:55 AM »
Almost forgot....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kpDMMcNQxc

This video came out back in the day when orbo was "the" topic.  If I recall the circumstances surrounding the release of this video, JB was saying in so many words, that what they were demonstrating, he could do with his tech.  Note the consumption drop when he adjusts the core..... After this video, folk got really excited about consumption decrease, thinking that it was directly related to self running...blah blah blah....sad, folks are duping themselves.  JB knows exactly what he was doing when he added that core, and so do I.  Tesla has a patent on the concept, you should look into it, or not.... 

All that to say this, your late...

LOL

I see that JB knows about as much as you and Jim !tha man! Murray.
None of you have any idea as to what happened when JB placed the iron tube inside the coil,and why the current input dropped lol.  ::)
Dose an increase in inductance mean anything to you?.

200mA at who knows what voltage--wow,he's on a winner there lol.
And JB is suppose to be some sort of radio tech guru lol.

Why you continue to post such piffle is beyond me  ::)

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #413 on: September 15, 2016, 02:41:56 AM »
@tinman
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Well mine is coming along fine--how is yours AC ?[/size]First run using power supply-not looking to bad on the power draw  Once you have your first run up and posted here AC,we will switch to caps only  What size cap are we to use AC ?--not that it really matters  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfWI36mCyDI


Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #414 on: September 15, 2016, 06:50:30 AM »
@tinman

Nice clean build using two shaded pole cores... I like it. Even if our best laid plans do not always succeed and god knows we have all been there craftsmanship and pride in what we do should prevail.


Correct me if I am wrong, from your wiring it looks as if you are pulsing both cores which are in series triggered by the reed switch/transistor combo. The inductive discharge from the series coils goes to a FWBR then through the NE2 acting as a clipper which I like and  this charges a capacitor. I believe you said you have also tied the output cap to the power supply which I am going to guess is in parallel with the power supply limiting the input...nice. As this would be a precursor to our input/output tied to a single capacitor. Words can be powerful things and I was listening to your words, more so how you said them... the human voice is the window to our soul. I listen to everyone given the chance.


In any case, you seem to have clipped the high voltage end of the inductive discharge from the coils which we can assume is near equal yet opposite to the input leaving the difference between the input/output in your capacitor. The question is ... where do you go from here?. The real question is where do you find the impetus which changes this equation and I believe you already know your capacitor is losing energy. Been there done that and sometimes it is not so much the scenery we may pass but knowing were moving in the right direction which matters and our input/output capacitor tells no lies.


Do you know what I thought was interesting about your video?... your hands and your finger nails. If you want to know where a man has been and his conviction to getting shit done you look at his hands. There are those that pretend to work for a living and there are those that do and not unlike our capacitor our hands tell no lies.


All in all I like your video even if I'm going to kick your ass but that does not mean we cannot be friends. Competition is good so long as we are moving in the right direction and this direction benefits others.




AC

Kick my ass hey lol
You do know that the video is just the very first run-dont you?
I havnt even begun with the circuit yet.

The cap is in the PSU in that run.
The neon lights when the reed switch opens during the generating part of the cycle,not during the motoring part of the cycle. This means that the energy used to light the neon,could also be sent back to the source. But even now,with this simplest of circuits,we are below the 1mA current draw mark.
Placing the scope across the CVR tells the true story of what is happening,and the description i gave at the start of the video is spot on. The biggest problem in that first run, is the PSU limits the voltage as well,to the selected voltage.

Anyway,looking forward to seeing your progress video.
Oh-and i have no problem with you kicking my ass in a pulse motor buildoff AC-something Erfinder could never do.
But as they say-dont count your chickens before they hatch. Lol


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #415 on: September 15, 2016, 01:16:50 PM »

We aren't even on the same planet.  , you haven't demonstrated anything worthy of my time.

Lol
And what have you demonstrated ?
Thats right-nothing but rubbish--your stepper motor video was outdated over 80 years ago.
Most of the circuit you showed is not needed--in fact,everything you have shown is as old as the hills.

I am surprised that you really are this far behind,and you have not yet worked out how things really work.
The fact that you shun measuring equipment,will only add to the inabilities you have now.

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I piss on your challenge

Of course you do--you are a true JB fan,and member of the circus,where when asked to qualify your claim's,you run for the hills.
So happy to open your unqualified mouth at everything i do,but not once have you shown anything better-and you never will.

Not long ago,a member questioned you regarding one of your statements,and you said he was not qualified to question your work,when in actual fact,looking at everything you have shown,it is clear that it is you that is not even close to being qualified--and so it is you that is not qualified to make idiotic comments about what i do,as it is clear you have no idea what you are doing--your latest video proved that beyond doubt.

The fact that you have no idea as to what was actually happening in JBs video you posted,is another clear indication that your qualification level is very low.


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« Reply #416 on: September 15, 2016, 01:39:21 PM »

Demonstrate something worth a damn, and maybe I'll consider your proposal.  You have no idea what JB has, you pride yourself in thinking you do, but you don't. What you think of me and my abilities matters not. Don't take much to run circles around you.

Another claim,but like the JB crew,you will never back it up.

In stead of insulting people,your time would be better spent learning.

I dont know what JB has?--well i know what he dose not have,and that is a self runner that he and the clown crew always claim to have.
Feel free to prove me wrong.


Brad

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« Reply #417 on: September 15, 2016, 02:00:45 PM »
http://www.energeticforum.com/292680-post1373.html combine with many stages combine with the simplified circuit I posted
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #418 on: September 15, 2016, 02:57:17 PM »
Forgot....you don't have a self runner either, prove that wrong....

So challenge me  ;),and lets see what i have,and lets see what you have.

Im calling your bluff--challenge me,and we will see who has what.

But like a true JB sheeple,you will run and hide.


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« Reply #419 on: September 15, 2016, 03:10:36 PM »

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Not here to back up anything for Brad

You have nothing to back up.

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.not intersted in what you think I should be doing with my time.  That shit you are suggesting one learn, been there, what I am after is not found there.

What you are after ,is fairy dust--which is about as much as you have shown.

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You are the definition of hypocrite, it's ok for you to insult but get all offended when your work is called crap.

You should go back a few pages,and see who started with the insult's.
What you think of my work means nothing to me,as you simply do not know what you are looking at.
Examples-
1-Jim's dynaflux generator--worst generator i have ever seen,but you think it's great.
2- You not understanding as to why JBs pulse motor's current dropped when he inserted the steel tube into the coil--basic stuff that went over your head. Once again,you think it is something wonderful,but it is really nothing out of the ordinary.
3-Your stepper motor video. Once again you think you are showing something wonderful,but once again-nothing out of the ordinary,and has been done for the past 80 years.-->you finally discovered coil shorting  ;)

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You don't know what JB has, you base your opinion on what you have been shown, you don't have what it takes to see beyond the obvious.  Those folk don't care what tinman thinks he knows.

Tinman (like many others here),knows that JB has nothing special,and your full of crap.

You know,i have read every one of there !books of secrets!,and guess what--there isnt one secret in them lol,and even then,they got half the crap wrong.

Why dont you tell us all about the famous !1 ohm test!,and i will show you where they screwed up there as well.

So far,you have shown machines that consume much more power than they deliver,and yet,here you are,on a thread,that is driving toward a more efficient generator--and yet you continue to show power hungry heaters.

It has become obvious in this thread,that the reason you never give anyone a straight answer,is because you have no clue your self. ;)

Brad

 

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