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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #330 on: September 06, 2016, 03:04:28 AM »



Humour:

Brad, a wonderfull invention, not just for Camping: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/152200368906

This is what Erfinder, and his Bi-Polar Buddy, Barbosi, uses!!!

Not quite the RT, or Partnered Outout Coils, but just about as good!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #330 on: September 06, 2016, 03:04:28 AM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #331 on: September 06, 2016, 04:23:07 AM »
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #332 on: September 06, 2016, 07:00:26 AM »
Had tested moving the toroid coil gradually away from the rotor as Brad had asked. There was less drag and the output diminished even as the speed of the rotor gained.

So looking at his motor transformer with the magnet set inside, I tried a few things and this is what I came up with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJj3Dd4GhO4&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Great video Mags.
Were you just measuring voltage across the coil,or did you have a load across it as well ?.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #332 on: September 06, 2016, 07:00:26 AM »
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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #333 on: September 06, 2016, 07:11:17 AM »
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Well if there was any of the EE guys in this thread,you would get arguments from them i would think,as the magnetic field produced by the coil that is rapped around the toroid,is suppose  to be containd within the toroid core--but your timing is saying the opposite is happening.

Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #334 on: September 06, 2016, 07:15:11 AM »
Ok. Last one tonight.
Here we have the toroid using attraction to make the rotor spin. It will only go in one direction even with timing adjustments. Tomorrow I will reverse the coil polarity and show its one directional properties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KpppPqwRk&feature=youtu.be

Mags

Mags

One more thing
Your magnets are cylinder/disc type magnets,so how is the magnetic field orientated with those magnets?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #334 on: September 06, 2016, 07:15:11 AM »
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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #335 on: September 06, 2016, 07:37:06 AM »
Great video Mags.
Were you just measuring voltage across the coil,or did you have a load across it as well ?.

Yeah, just voltage output of the coil, no load test yet.

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #336 on: September 06, 2016, 07:44:48 AM »
Well if there was any of the EE guys in this thread,you would get arguments from them i would think,as the magnetic field produced by the coil that is rapped around the toroid,is suppose  to be containd within the toroid core--but your timing is saying the opposite is happening.

Brad

Its possible the core gets saturated and the field is no longer in the core, but it also works the same at lower inputs like 4v and 3v. It may be the rotor mags are a 3rd ingredient to interact with the fields in the core. The orbo cores are vertical and wound all the way from end to end, so this effect would be neutral in that case, and the rotor mag fields of the orbo dont cut the toroid windings, they go with the direction of the windings as I had shown the other day.

I am just surprised I am getting induction and motoring at all, since like you say above. ;)

But at least we have some new things to know. ;D

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #336 on: September 06, 2016, 07:44:48 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #337 on: September 06, 2016, 07:55:13 AM »
Mags

One more thing
Your magnets are cylinder/disc type magnets,so how is the magnetic field orientated with those magnets?


Brad

They are N52 diametric mags on the rotor. 1/2in dia 5/8 long. I have 1/2in 1/8 diametrics that fit the rotor also from back in the Whipmag days.


Will have to see if the core is being over saturated and the rotor mag is attracted that way, or if it is just the rotor mag interaction with the core that enables the mag to interact with the core field. to eliminate the saturation possibility, Ill see if the core picks up iron powder when different power levels are applied.

The initial torque is lower than what we might expect compared to once it gets going.

I have to make a new stand for the core to try some secondary windings on the core furthest away from the rotor. It may be something similar to your rotary transformer idea. Dont know till we try.
Fun stuff though. ;)

Mags

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #338 on: September 06, 2016, 04:05:22 PM »

barbosi - You sound like an Erfinder dressed in drag. Infact you sign off many of your posts in the same way!!!

You could take your Bi-Polar Buddy, and start a B I B S Thread: Believe In Bull S*@%

Please feel free to prove me wrong, I will be more than happy to concede, I am only human.

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P.S: We all know what Bibs do, catch and soak up Dribble!!!

I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:


Humour:

Brad, a wonderfull invention, not just for Camping: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/like/152200368906

This is what Erfinder, and his Bi-Polar Buddy, Barbosi, uses!!!

Not quite the RT, or Partnered Outout Coils, but just about as good!!!

   Chris Sykes
       hyiq.org
you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #338 on: September 06, 2016, 04:05:22 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #339 on: September 06, 2016, 04:44:34 PM »
@barbosi

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I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

If you are referring to the shading coils they were removed and if you were referring to the magnetic material surrounding the inner core then no obviously the signal would not be lost because it is a function of reluctance. The field follows the path of least resistance ie. most magnetic material which in this case is through both coils. So no it is not a no brainer and you are mistaken.

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With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)
Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis: http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

No again you are mistaken and the jnaudin apparatus is completely different from the one by tinman in question. First jnaudin's apparatus is open path, second it has a moving rotor, third it has no permanent magnets, fourth it has no alternate closed paths. Your making a very poor attempt at comparing apples and oranges and give no explanation as to why.

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Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

How can you consider questioning why a given phenomena occurs pseudo science when it is in fact the basis of science?.  Why does the magnet increase field coupling between the coils when it should saturate the core decreasing the coupling?. It is an honest question which apparently you do not understand which I find quite interesting. In fact unlike anything you have said this experiment has given me many more idea's for other experiments I would like to try concerning different configurations.

AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #340 on: September 06, 2016, 04:44:47 PM »
I won't be a boor like yourself, I will explain the audience why I considered tinman's experiment without any value.
His core has 2 ( not one but two) shunts between the 2 coils, hence the signal will be lost. No brainer.

With attachment of the magnet, we all know what to expect (a better demonstration is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci9AI5KuToM)

 http://jnaudin.free.fr/dlenz/DLE19en.htm

Why EM junkie defends such pseudo science is behind my comprehension. Unless he's paid to do so - a shill - to distract with disinformation and to deter the real researchers from the real progress that has been made. Yeah people, build away all kind of useless contraptions, waste your time and resources and you'll get far(ish).

Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?

Well,it is clear that you (like your mate Erfinder),are once again,on the wrong track.

Now,instead of posting that rubbish you just did,how about you find a demonstration that shows the P/in as well. Once you have done that,then we will see if what you posted has anything to what i am showing.

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Even the phase shift tinman is not able to explain. For the rest of audience that is willing to learn and think for themselves, here is a complete analysis:

Again you are mixed up. It was not me that mentioned phase shift,it was EMJ.
I only spoke of the fact that there was no field bias shown on the secondary.
So once again,you now have to supply scope shot's to go along with the video's you posted,that shows no bias on the output side of the circuit. You might also try and find a similar experiment,instead of one with multiple bifilar wound transformers.

If you have something to say,at least get it right.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #340 on: September 06, 2016, 04:44:47 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #341 on: September 06, 2016, 04:55:28 PM »
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Under pretense humour:you out right insult Erfinder and me. Very mature and professional. Your scientific arguments stand for your talents.

Where is the forum's police now?


Just the chickens coming home to roost. You started it. If you are going to hand it out you have to be able to take it.

Why was it so funny? (it was hilarious!!!) well after page after page of you calling down various members of the group in the foulest manner possible, one of them turns the table and in extreme innuendo calls (implies) you are a Kunt  .... beautiful Chris! impeccable humour.

ROTFLMAO

Regards,

Ron


PS: Your rebuttal links, that part of your post, are excellent. If you can understand why then then the list is on it's way to healing.

PPS: hey it self censors that word... I had to misspell it to get it to save

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #342 on: September 06, 2016, 05:04:42 PM »

You wanna get fucked....keep this shit up, and I will have no problem going  P-orno on you and invite your family in to participate.  I was preparing to get really stupid with you, really get under your skin, really offend you, through your family, but decided against it.  Try me chris....go this route again, and you and I will be like pigs in shit in here, and not just here.


Keep it on the level of umpa lumpa and bs science....you'll sleep better.

Oh,the key board Rambo strikes again.
Just like in any other topic,you are all words ,and no action.

You do know Chris is an Aussie like myself-dont you?,and we really dont give a rats ass what you have to say,or pay any attention to your idle threats.

You belong where your language says you come from-and that is the gutter.

You want to take some one on,then take me on big man--dribble out all the foul language you can,and i will do what i have done to you all along--laugh.

You think you are so bad with sprouting out all that foul language,well when i try to picture what you might look like,all i keep seeing is Beaker from the Muppet's.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #343 on: September 06, 2016, 05:14:40 PM »

Fuck off c_ock sucker, I was talking to your girlfriend.....

Lol

Hell'i dont even know what he looks like--might not be my type :D

Chris
Wack up a picture of you in your best dress--i need to know  ;)

Oh-and dont forget the pushup bra  :P


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #344 on: September 06, 2016, 05:39:27 PM »

Now,instead of posting that rubbish you just did,how about you find a demonstration that shows the P/in as well. Once you have done that,then we will see if what you posted has anything to what i am showing.
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Brad
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Brad, I am not sure why you did the experiment as you did either. It is "Ward's Magnetic Switch" (I know, invented long ago) and it was in this context as a generator that Chris posted it... I thought. Just how efficient it will be is something we need to base the experiment on, because it just might not be that efficient? After all it looked like he was driving it with a one or two horse motor?


Ron

 

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