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Offline tinman

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #300 on: September 05, 2016, 11:14:06 AM »
Hi Brad, when you cut through the laminates won't that ruin their function? Since they are insulated from each other.
Just asking. artv

Hi Shylo

No,as the magnetic field travels around the laminated loops of the core--not cut across it.

If you look at any MOT,you will see that all the laminates are electrically connected,as they are all seem welded together.

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« Reply #301 on: September 05, 2016, 11:15:21 AM »
Well,turns out i did have two identical shaded pole motors for the experiment.
All i have to do now,is cut through each core,through the middle of the bearing carrier holes.and tig them together. We then have something similar to the one you pictured--but at a budget cost. ;)


Brad



Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. The Magnet and Central Stator Area is made from a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator. There is an Air Gap needed shown as the White/Sivler discolouration in the below Images. This is an Alloy Cast, either side of that is solid Magnetic Steel.

Your cuts need to be back some, so as to remove the Round, and just so the ends are just pushed to the ends. See the Red in the Image below. Marked in Red is the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

My Magnetic Base Dial Indicator teardown:

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #302 on: September 05, 2016, 11:34:49 AM »
Yes,yes--i know exactly how they work.

I was thinking more along the lines of a generator.
In this case,we basically have a bucking field toroid generator.

Now,suppose when we draw a load from each coil,we use a switched connection from the coil to the load--like a mosfet switch on each. We then have a circuit that enables us to close each mosfet independent from each other,and at what ever frequency we decide on.
What would we produce if say the switching frequency of one coil was 100Hz,and the other was say 130Hz. What happens when we have two magnetic circuits,in the same toroid core,being loaded at different frequencies,when the inducing field has a fixed frequency ?.

So,we will chop one AC wave produced by one coil at 100Hz,and we will chop the other AC wave produced by the other coil at 130Hz-and we get what?.

Core done.


Brad



Brad, see where youre going. Nice!!!

Youre too fast for me! By the time it took me to get my old MBDI out, and do a tear down you got it all happening!

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« Reply #303 on: September 05, 2016, 11:47:25 AM »


Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. The Magnet and Central Stator Area is made from a Magnetic Base Dial Indicator. There is an Air Gap needed shown as the White/Sivler discolouration in the below Images. This is an Alloy Cast, either side of that is solid Magnetic Steel.

Your cuts need to be back some, so as to remove the Round, and just so the ends are just pushed to the ends. See the Red in the Image below. Marked in Red is the Magnetic Base Dial Indicator.

My Magnetic Base Dial Indicator teardown:

   Chris Sykes
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Much the same thing.
I can cut out the areas within the red boxes,other than that,if we have a diametricall magnetized magnet rotating inside the core,we have our dial gauge magnetic base. If you remove the two coils,the core either side of the coils will act just as the dial gauge magnetic base dose.
There is no need for the alloy cast,as that would only add drag ,due to the production of eddy currents.

Brad

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« Reply #305 on: September 05, 2016, 12:06:30 PM »
Much the same thing.
I can cut out the areas within the red boxes,other than that,if we have a diametricall magnetized magnet rotating inside the core,we have our dial gauge magnetic base. If you remove the two coils,the core either side of the coils will act just as the dial gauge magnetic base dose.
There is no need for the alloy cast,as that would only add drag ,due to the production of eddy currents.

Brad



Exactly, run and test, then cut later if needed, thats exactly right. I wanted to be clear for others. I knew you would know all about this.

Go Infinity Go!!! Well done guys!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAPPMU9E5DY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2iehK0Jez4

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #306 on: September 05, 2016, 01:44:15 PM »
Well thats interesting  :o

Video up soon.


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« Reply #307 on: September 05, 2016, 02:39:33 PM »
Ok,well by doing what i did in the video,i would have thought two things would have happened.

The magnet being used is a N52 3/4 x 1" neo.
Power being supplied to the primary coil is of a very small value.
1st,i would have thought by placing this powerful magnet within the core center,would have saturated the core -or near too,and reduced the output on the secondary.
2nd,i would have expected a large biasing offset on the output wave form.
But as you can see in the video,we had the opposite effect in both cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIAQvvfAE0M


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #308 on: September 05, 2016, 02:59:19 PM »
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.

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« Reply #309 on: September 05, 2016, 03:01:06 PM »
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.

Oh yea-i should have done that.
I will go and do it now,and post some scope captures for you.


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« Reply #310 on: September 05, 2016, 03:10:44 PM »
Thanks for the video Brad.  I was waiting for you to turn the magnet the other way so that it was horizontal to see what that would do to the power out.  By horizontal I mean so the ends would be at 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.  You certainly do quick work.

OK,here are the two scope captures of the vertical/horizontal test.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #311 on: September 05, 2016, 03:28:52 PM »
Thanks for the very quick response.  The results are what I was expecting but we never know until we see it firsthand.  Like you said the first results were surprising and not what was expected.  Maybe what is happening is the neo is helping to saturate the core just enough to allow it to be saturated more easily by the signal.  Similar to what they think is happening with the Gunderson device.  With the neo horizontal it is not helping to saturate the core material.  Just some wild off the top of my head ideas.

Thanks again for the quick response and interesting video.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #312 on: September 05, 2016, 03:35:50 PM »
Thanks for the very quick response.  The results are what I was expecting but we never know until we see it firsthand.  Like you said the first results were surprising and not what was expected.   Similar to what they think is happening with the Gunderson device.  With the neo horizontal it is not helping to saturate the core material.  Just some wild off the top of my head ideas.

Thanks again for the quick response and interesting video.
Carroll

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Maybe what is happening is the neo is helping to saturate the core just enough to allow it to be saturated more easily by the signal.


I believe if that was the case,then we would see a huge offset of the output wave, due to biasing the core.
Remember,the PMs field through the core dose not change,but the field produced by the primary coil is alternating--so why no biased offset on the output?.

With every other coil i have tried this with,i get either a reduction in output,or an offset due to biasing on the output wave form.

Might look into this a bit further.

EMJ-any thoughts?--maybe some relationship to the MEG effect ?.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #313 on: September 05, 2016, 04:11:58 PM »
Just did a P/in P/out efficiency test on this 1/2 hour hacked up transformer/generator to be thingy--with magnet in position.

P/in 3.92V @ 1.2mA=4.7mW
P/out=384mV across 100 ohms= 1.474mW

Efficiency=31.27%

Hey,this thing is a piece of crap,but it is still 23.97% more efficient that Jim !tha man! Murray's dynaflux generator  ;D


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #314 on: September 05, 2016, 05:10:04 PM »
Mr. Ward.  This is a sick fucking joke.  I am told I am talking BS science, and you fucks bring this bullshit, a concept that this guy names after himself?  You both are serious, chris, small c, started this shit with "wardforce" so brad gets to sport the I'm with stupid T shirt.  Did either of you check Mr. Wards patent before you dropped to your knees and started publicly kissing his ass?  Probably not.  When he first showed up, I did. 
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Touche, but before we get too excited lets all talk about the same thing!


1) Ward force is nonsense


2) the patents of Ward and German are just Ecklin Brown variations


3) the "Coordinate Description" graphic that Chris posted is different. This is what Ward was demonstrating with the mag base and has nothing what so ever to do with the patents.


4) Brad's model is not what Ward was demonstrating.


OK???


Chris, thanks for all the posts


Brad, Very interesting but the two top and bottom haves are still joined where the mag base has a break. Also the magnet is supposed to be rotating and the two coils are both generator coils.


However from your static test it may be that there is a phase difference between the two coils??? wouldn't that give Mr Lenz a shock?


I have to finish my Teal motor first, then I will swing over to the "mag base" generator model.


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