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Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 399544 times)

Offline allcanadian

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2016, 06:11:32 PM »
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Sounds like fun Chris.[/size]Im in if you can get Erfinder to accept the challenge as well,as it is he that stated my works are abominations,and my challenge is to those that have much to say about my work,but never have the balls to challenge it.


I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition however I have a different set of rules.


1) The motor/generator can have any configuration you want however to keep it simple the device should be no larger than let's say 20 lb.


2)The entire device as well as all associated circuitry must be clearly visible.


3)My favorite... No power supplies of any kind are allowed and the device must be electrically dead in every sense of the word at the start. However we are allowed to spin up the device by hand at the start to any RPM we can muster.


4)A storage capacitor of a value to be determined is allowed to store the output from the device which will also be the only electrical input allowed to the device. The capacitor will be at zero voltage at the start of the test.


5)A DMM or preferably an oscilloscope will show the voltage on the capacitor during the entire duration of the test.


You see this is where all the BS stops and either the capacitor voltage rises or it falls. The rate at which the capacitor voltage rises or falls determines the total efficiency. If the initial spin up at the start cannot generate enough power to charge the capacitor to operate the device and maintain it then your hooped.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #225 on: September 02, 2016, 06:11:32 PM »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #226 on: September 02, 2016, 06:37:20 PM »
Let it be know that Eric Dollard was also a proponent of harmonic beat frequencies for 'energy synthesis'.  I hope nobody's foot gets too far into their mouth...


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #227 on: September 02, 2016, 07:06:22 PM »
I would be interested in showing you ladies how it's done in a friendly competition

If you want to enter it as competitor, go for it.

However...

The beauty of an idea cannot be appreciated by individuals with dripping snots all over the screen captures.
It is a work of the mind and it cannot be really appreciated by any measuring device.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #227 on: September 02, 2016, 07:06:22 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #228 on: September 02, 2016, 07:20:50 PM »
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #229 on: September 02, 2016, 10:47:20 PM »

Same here Brad, no problem. The problem is, is that it has become a polarity issue where the group has to pick sides... this is nonsense.


If the different points of view could be presented with less "certainty" and left with a wee bit of wiggle room, then we could add and subtract without hostility taking place. .......
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I want to be on good terms with both parties and not have to chose sides, OK?


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Regards, Ron
 

I hate to do this, but I must remind you, ron,  that you started to take sides and polarised this topic when I posted my doubts ( reply #210) about the " we can " Vid by erfinder. You even posted this here in reply #214:

"What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us."

So now the truth starts shining through this veil of illusion erfinder was trying to establish in order to distract attention from the topic of this thread.

By the way - to mention Keshe as an argument is the worst you can do to yourself after all we know now about this guy:

http://www.keshefacts.org/
  https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #229 on: September 02, 2016, 10:47:20 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #230 on: September 03, 2016, 12:22:07 AM »
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)



Hey Forest - You’re quite right!

Several examples come to mind immediately: Kromrey Converter, John Bedini's G-Field Generator, Witts Fueless Generator, the QEG (Based on the Wits Device), Jim Murrays What ever machine

All devices except, the Kromrey Converter and John Bedini's G-Field Generator uses LC Tank Resonance to bring about this effect, which as Brad said creates Slip in these motors. If you like Speed relative reluctance on the Rotor.

But why, no one has looked into this further, why not?

The Fields, two of them at least, separately, Buck each other. There is a Timing and a relative level of Mutual Inductance between these Coils. As Coil Current, in the Tank, goes High, the Input Current is going Low in Time, each Field Bucks and thus the Noise.

Like I said, my Electric Motor Experience is poor, I have not spent much time experimenting with motors. I have studied this effect and experimented with it. I most certainly was not able to get any OU from my work on these motors. In-fact, as Brad said, my efficiency’s were very low.

But, not to say these devices don’t work, just mine were not very efficient. I most certainly am not here to shoot others work down just because I was not able to achieve a result.


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P.S: I should point out, in a different System, where one can adjust the relative Timing, then these Fields can give very different results. As we have seen for some time now: Action, Reaction, and Counter-Reaction


P.S: Why is Three the Magic Number? Action, Reaction and Counter-Reaction... Newton's Laws of Motion...



P.P.S: Did you see that? See the clear difference:


Find the most simple means of generating one first.  No caps, its easier than you think, or have been led to believe....


Regards


Can you feel that? Yep, Erfinder has been Owned Again!!!


« Last Edit: September 03, 2016, 03:23:40 AM by EMJunkie »

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #231 on: September 03, 2016, 12:51:09 AM »
I hate to do this, but I must remind you, ron,  that you started to take sides and polarised this topic when I posted my doubts ( reply #210) about the " we can " Vid by erfinder. You even posted this here in reply #214:

"What you two have done is kill an interesting thread. I would like to have seen where he was taking us."

So now the truth starts shining through this veil of illusion erfinder was trying to establish in order to distract attention from the topic of this thread.

By the way - to mention Keshe as an argument is the worst you can do to yourself after all we know now about this guy:

http://www.keshefacts.org/
  https://keshefacts.wordpress.com/2016/03/
Mike



I guess you are right! At that time I was coming in on erfinders side... now I am coming in on Brad's side. Confused by the ongoing virulence? you could say so


However I stand corrected on Duff and Keshe. Thanks for the heads up! I knew Alex was and a certain energiser club but that was news to me. However I stand by the sentiment of the quote that I posted. To justify that, it is my opinion that these false fronts often sprinkle their work with actual facts to try and make it believable. Then it just becomes a matter of winnowing out the chaff.


Ron





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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #231 on: September 03, 2016, 12:51:09 AM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #232 on: September 03, 2016, 01:40:58 AM »
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OK AC,here is your challenge.[/size]Show me any device that gains energy by way of this !so called! beat frequency phenomena .I would also advise both your self and Erfinder to put forward your description of what beat frequency phenomena-or what beat frequency is to you?.


I didn't say or even imply there is an energy gain using two oscillators and a beat frequency I only gave a few examples where I have seen a beat frequency take place for myself.


As well so far as Erfinder and I are concerned I consider him a friend however we disagree on many things just as I disagree with you on many things. Erfinder and myself generally laugh about the fact we disagree and we try to convince each other we must be right but make no mistake there is always a mutual respect between us concerning each others work right or wrong. It is a mutual respect that one has made the effort, endless hours in search of something which may never come into being but there is always hope. That is our bond...hope and an absurd amount of experiments we hope will lead us in the right direction.


I thought this was pretty cool...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRpN9uLiouI
Now if we replaced the tuning forks with any two or more oscillators be it a physical oscillation or a field oscillation and we could get some interesting effects.


AC

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #233 on: September 03, 2016, 02:01:20 AM »
Superheterodyne.

http://users.tpg.com.au/users/ldbutler/Superhet.htm

The idea of  using two frequencies to produce a third or beat frequency is a very old idea.  But can be a very useful thing to know as this article explains.

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Re: Lenz free generator
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #234 on: September 03, 2016, 02:06:28 AM »
What if the beat frequency is put into parallel resonant tank circuit ? ::)

What if !some! here learn the difference between beat frequency propagation,-- nodes,and antinodes in electromagnetic standing waves. ;)


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #235 on: September 03, 2016, 02:29:26 AM »
What if !some! here learn the difference between beat frequency propagation,-- nodes,and antinodes in electromagnetic standing waves. ;)


Brad



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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #236 on: September 03, 2016, 03:20:25 AM »
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I guess you are right! At that time I was coming in on erfinders side... now I am coming in on Brad's side. Confused by the ongoing virulence? you could say so


However I stand corrected on Duff and Keshe. Thanks for the heads up! I knew Alex was and a certain energiser club but that was news to me. However I stand by the sentiment of the quote that I posted. To justify that, it is my opinion that these false fronts often sprinkle their work with actual facts to try and make it believable. Then it just becomes a matter of winnowing out the chaff.




Hi Ron

It's not about taking side's.
The existence of this forum is built on searching for truth's,and weeding out the rubbish from the roses. It is about presenting fact's,and removing fictions,and we do a good job most of the time-->but some times the weeds just keep coming back.

I will give you an example of fact and fiction--Jim Murray's dynaflux generator.
Here we will look at the first part of the video,which is about his original dynaflux generator.
In this video  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK3JOlY0V8Y  at 12:30,he states that this machine(the dynaflux generator) presents no load on the prime mover when power is drawn from the generator.

Lucky for us,all the information is in the video,that clearly shows a very heavy load being placed on the generator.
I will show and explain as to why people are missing this load when Jim draws power from the generator to light the bulb's.

The first screenshot below shows the power being drawn by the prime mover to run both it self,and spin the generator assembly.
We can see that the power consumption is 127.9 watts.
Now remember,this is !before! the field magnet is switched on-->127.9 watts

The second screenshot shows the power consumption of the prime mover !after! the field magnet is switched on,but !before! a load is drawn from the generator-->the load is the two bulbs.
We can now see that the prime mover is drawing !wait for it!-->a wopping 434.62 watts of power-->and no load is being drawn from the generator yet :o

So we have gone from the prime mover drawing 127.9 watts,to it now drawing 434.62 watts ;)
That is a 339.8% increase in power consumption--and no load is being placed on the generator yet  :o. All Jim did was switch on the field magnet--nothing more.
The field magnet it self consumes 121.72 watts of power,but i have left that out of the calculation,as the electromagnet could be replaced with a PM.

Now,in the third screenshot below,Jim has connected the load(the two bulbs)to the generator,and those two bulbs are dissipating 40.09 watts of power.
This is the point where Jim states that the machine(the generator) hardly loads the prime mover  ::),when in actual fact,the prime mover was heavily loaded before Jim placed a load on the generator.
This load placed on the prime mover at the moment Jim switched on the field magnet,is in the form of eddy current generation,and the power used to create these eddy currents and resistive heat was 312.9 watts.

When Jim switches on the load to the generator(the two bulb's),and states that the generator places no load on the prime mover when doing so,is nothing more than rubbish,as the load was placed on the prime mover !before! he switched on the two bulbs.

The reason that no reflection was seen on the prime mover the moment he switched on the bulb's,is because some of that 312.9 watts of waste heat energy,was transformed into electrical energy to run the bulbs.

Can i prove that waste heat due to eddy currents can be converted into electrical energy-->you bet ya butt i can. And at the very same time,in the very same video,i show exactly what Jim show's,in that when i light my two bulbs,it places no load on the prime mover.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IVxO94mcB0


Now you know why i call Jim Murrays dynaflux generator a big heater,and a very poor generator.

These are things Erfinder will not show you--he would prefer you did not know,as it would become apparent that Jim is not !tha man!
Erfinder also hates using instruments to make measurements,so it is ironic that Jim's(Erfinders hero) own measurements,in his own video,shows just how poor the dynaflux generator actually is at generating power--but it makes a great heater. :D


Everyone here has the right to choose what they believe,but this one is a no brainer,and i have presented all the data required for those here to see the truth about the mighty Jim Murray,and his wonderful dynaflux generator.


Brad

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #237 on: September 03, 2016, 04:19:14 AM »



To be fair, I think Jim Murray's early work was helpfull. Before he got involved with the Murakami Army.

Some deception is apparent these days. Like sharing 80% of SERPS with the public, then saying because a Patent is pending, no more will be shared. The critical part.

Everyone should be carefull, when one shows a Concept, it is possibly the start to an understanding and not the entire device.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #238 on: September 03, 2016, 04:53:57 AM »


To be fair, I think Jim Murray's early work was helpfull. Before he got involved with the Murakami Army.



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Bingo  ;)


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #239 on: September 03, 2016, 06:55:41 AM »
We only have to answer the question : would the beat frequency when used as a source for tank circuit , affect the original place where it was created ? Or : if the mix of frequencies produce other frequency and that frequency is used to pump LC circuit how this would load the original source ?

 

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