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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #120 on: August 11, 2016, 03:52:48 AM »
Just one comment
to my knowledge Milehigh is not banned , apparently Terms of use rules are being enforced ,and selective Moderation applied.
I know this moderation is annoying to Stefan as well as frustrating to members.

it would be better to stay within the agreed boundaries of the Forum rules.

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Thanks Chet, for correcting me!

I am sorry, I did read somewhere that was the case, without having verified it. Apologies!

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« Reply #121 on: August 11, 2016, 06:17:57 AM »

Maybe a story might help, a long time ago in a land far away a man named Earnshaw developed a theorem. Earnshaw's theorem and he stated that "a collection of point charges cannot be maintained in a stable stationary equilibrium configuration solely by the electrostatic interaction of the charges". He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner. Some people believed Earnshaws theorem was an irrefutable law which had now been broken while some experts proclaimed the law was not broken. It was not broken because an extra force was present, the centrifugal force of the spinning top was present balancing the magnet and Earnshaws supposed law does not actually include extra forces only free floating charges and magnets. Thus a theorem or law may seem to always apply but only so long as the conditions applicable to the law do not change in any way.

This is very similar to the story of Lenz Law which states that "the current induced in a circuit due to a change or a motion in a magnetic field is so directed as to oppose the change in flux and to exert a mechanical force opposing the motion". Think about that... what does the Law actually say?. A changing magnetic field will induce a current in a circuit creating a second magnetic field which will oppose the first magnetic field change. It does not actually mention the source of the inducing magnetic field being opposed only the magnetic field itself being opposed. Thus a magnetic field source could create a rapidly changing magnetic field impulse then turn off before the field has had time to induce a current in the external circuit and the field source cannot be effected and Lenz Law has not been violated yet the external circuit would be induced by the field change after the source has turned off. Anything less would imply the field change has induced the target before it has actually reached the target which is absurd.

This is the problem with believing things which are not true and reading things into something which was never there nor implied to be there. Lenz said only the "inducing field" is opposed by the induced field no more no less.




AC, this is a very clever post.

Any and every Induced EMF, no matter how many times an Induced EMF occurs, in a single System, has an Effect of the Source, does it not?

But, if the Source is no longer a part of the System, switched out, then the Source is no longer affected, as you say.

How long can a Magnetic Field be kept High after Switch out of the Source?

In a super conductor, indefinitely, for ever in our terms, no Source, but Magnetic Field stays High... Electron’s keep going and going and going…

So the Source can change. Not necessarily the Polarity, depending on point of View, but the Location in the system can very easily be changed. This can be done many ways. A common way is to short one coil… This I know you are very well aware of.

One point of view does not make for any proof, how you term:


He also believed this applied to magnetic fields and everyone agreed one cannot balance or levitate one magnet on another. Then one day a clever inventor stumbled onto the fact that if the levitating magnet was spun like a top that in fact it could levitate in a stable manner.



A Postulate, everyone agrees, with no proof…  Although most experiments might hold, who’s to say one wont. After all, Charges are already in constant motion, all having their own Centrifugal forces… Thus making it true that a simple Magnet, will Violate Earnshaw's theorem before this experiment was even proposed - Surely we agree on this point?

There in lays the very basis of how we currently understand the Magnetic Field.

I was surprised to read this post.

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To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:

   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.
   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.
   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.

So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!

Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!

If this Source is equal in Magnitude in comparison to the originating Source, then there will be a net zero effect, or no Tertiary EMF can be "Generated". Thus timing of the Coil Interactions is critical. Capacitance can be employed to do this, or switching if you have the means. Coils can be arranged to also offset this timing.

I hope those that do not already know this will see the importance here!!!

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #122 on: August 11, 2016, 06:36:30 AM »
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Yes i do AC,and it is obvious that you must have mapped the field incorrectly.[/size]I am also sure you have seen my test that i carried out,and you will also find that people of the likes of Poynt agree with me-perhaps he has time to answer this question as well.Like i said,the center of either an electromagnet or PM being of the weakest field,fools many people,as it is actually the strongest part of the field.


Touché, I would be interested to hear how you conducted your test and it is important that the instrument used not be subject to magnetic induction. That is no iron and no magnetic materials which produce a secondary field influencing the results. This is why I use hall effect sensors exclusively which are mostly benign so far as any real influence on the field to be measured is concerned.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #123 on: August 11, 2016, 07:43:34 AM »
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To iterate a little further, Electromagnetic Induction is a dependency process, for example:[/size]   1: If there is No Voltage, there can be No Current.   2: If there is No Current, there can be No Magnetic Field.   3: If there is No Magnetic Field there can be No Electromagnetic Induction.


So, for Electromagnetic Induction to occur, there must be a Source of Magnetic Field, somewhere!!! Time rate of change is a requirement for the Voltage (EMF) Generation, NOT the Current, as mentioned above, the Current is dependent on the Voltage (along with Resistance)!!! It’s true, that any Coil that has a Voltage across it (Active Element due to Induction) will be able to supply a Current, regulated by Ohms Law, which will change in Time!!! This is equivalent to a Magnetic Field Changing in Time!!!Thus any and All Magnetic Fields Changing in Time can be a Source of Electromagnetic Induction!!!


Yes, a magnetic field change will produce Electro-Magnetic Induction and as Faraday said it does not matter how the change occurs only that it does. Which raises the question... how many ways could the magnetic field change occur and how many other ways are unknown to us?. In this respect we are only limited by our imagination and how we would conceive to invoke such a change.


For instance a solar flare occurs at the Sun and some ninety eight hours later we detect a magnetic field disturbance here on Earth... how does Lenz Law apply?. Obviously it's not like a magnet on a rotor inducing a current in a conductor which produces a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field of the rotor. The disturbance travels through space ninety eight hours before it produces an effect here on Earth thus Lenz Law has limitations with respect to time and distance. It takes time for a cause to produce an effect and within this time frame we have options.


It is in these kinds of thought experiments that Lenz Law fails to hold relevance and as I said we are only limited by our imagination as to how we choose to solve these technical problems.


AC




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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #124 on: August 11, 2016, 07:51:59 AM »
@EmJunkie

Yes, a magnetic field change will produce Electro-Magnetic Induction and as Faraday said it does not matter how the change occurs only that it does. Which raises the question... how many ways could the magnetic field change occur and how many other ways are unknown to us?. In this respect we are only limited by our imagination and how we would conceive to invoke such a change.


For instance a solar flare occurs at the Sun and some ninety eight hours later we detect a magnetic field disturbance here on Earth... how does Lenz Law apply?. Obviously it's not like a magnet on a rotor inducing a current in a conductor which produces a magnetic field which opposes the magnetic field of the rotor. The disturbance travels through space ninety eight hours before it produces an effect here on Earth thus Lenz Law has limitations with respect to time and distance. It takes time for a cause to produce an effect and within this time frame we have options.


It is in these kinds of thought experiments that Lenz Law fails to hold relevance and as I said we are only limited by our imagination as to how we choose to solve these technical problems.


AC



Active Imagination and Clever minds are the most powerfull thing we could ever study!!! It is amazing, not sure if you have read it, but for your perusal: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious



In 1859, the Earth suffered a rather frightning event.

The Carrington event of 1859 - the largest solar flare ever recorded

The Sun, 149.6 million km's away from the Earth, had a coronal mass ejection (CME), this hit the Earth after 18 Hours.

When hitting the Earth, it sent the Telegraph Systems into complete dissaray. Setting fire to parts of it and destroying a great portion of it.

Do you think after 18 more hours the effects Lenz's Law reached the Sun?

Daniels Coils are very likely arranged to do something similar... Induction, via a small scale pulse in comparision, from the Motor and or the switch on event, the arrangement vs the frequency, probably could be calculated: 3×108 m/s divided by X Hz = X metres

0.02M between the two standalone Coils indicate a Frequency of about: 15000MHz or 15GHz

Not that I wish to attempt a replication, I leave that for others, but this is an example of how I try to use Diakoptics to see how something may work.


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Exactly correct, I agree! Time and Space are related as anything that traverses space must take Time. The well known equation: Velocity = Time x Distance comes to mind! You know, months ago we here at this forum were not eveen discussing such topics, now we are not only discussing, we actually understand them!!!

In saying this, there is a difference between Near Field's and Far Fields. I know you already know this stuff.

This is such a step forward, its perhaps the most thrilling step forward I have ever experienced! Not because I know whats possible, because I can see what our wonderful future may hold!!!

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« Reply #125 on: August 11, 2016, 11:05:07 AM »
Twelve coils in series , the field has to propagate in those windings, Shut the first one off before it gets to number twelve, Or better yet, shut it off and fire it before the propagation hits twelve.

Dear Shylo,

Thanks, best post in ages, Serie-Coil(Cavity)-Resonance.

Did mention the same before in other threads, JT-101, ............. !?

They don't read, the BATTLE seems to be more important, so adult ..... ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCduKbDuzmY

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #126 on: August 11, 2016, 11:52:51 AM »
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Touché, I would be interested to hear how you conducted your test and it is important that the instrument used not be subject to magnetic induction. That is no iron and no magnetic materials which produce a secondary field influencing the results. This is why I use hall effect sensors exclusively which are mostly benign so far as any real influence on the field to be measured is concerned.


AC

First up,what type of hall effect sensor did you use?

First simple test,one which im sure you have tried.
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

Second test is with an electromagnet.
We take a long solenoid/coil-say 1 inch in diameter,and 4 inches long,and we use this as our primary. We then have a flat pancake type coil,that is say 1/4 inch thick,with ID just enough to slide over the primary coil,and an OD of say 2 1/2 inches. We now pulse a DC current,or apply an AC current to the primary. You will find that the secondary will produce the most power when placed in the center of the primary-not at either end where you think the magnetic field is strongest.
Once again,the magnetic(and electric field in this case),is strongest at the center of the electromagnet--not at the ends.


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« Reply #127 on: August 11, 2016, 04:34:35 PM »



 I would say that the strongest magnetic field would be at the poles.
 Once you try to part two magnets you've essentially got two
 individual magnets and hence the attraction will be greatest.
 The electric field,however,is quite different.
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« Reply #128 on: August 11, 2016, 05:02:19 PM »
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First up,what type of hall effect sensor did you use?

I use various analog hall effect sensor tied to this, https://www.sparkfun.com/products/retired/11225. The NI Labview setup allows me collect real sensor data, calibrate the sensors, apply any math functions I want and display the hard data in real time in multiple graphical formats. The NI labview site is here--http://www.ni.com/labview/why/. Note this is not a simulation nor is it speculation, this is scientific software used by real scientists for scientific research. Trust me... it will be the best $50 you ever spent on research and real data in indispensable. I will post a picture of my setup when I get home from work tonight.


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First simple test,one which im sure you have tried.
Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

Fair enough, on your magnet the highest external field strength is not at the center between the N-S transition, it is not at the N or S pole face as one might expect but at the pole face corner where the face transitions to the side of the magnet. How do I know this?, because I mapped the field strength on every part of the magnet with a scientific instrument in real time.

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Second test is with an electromagnet.
We take a long solenoid/coil-say 1 inch in diameter,and 4 inches long,and we use this as our primary. We then have a flat pancake type coil,that is say 1/4 inch thick,with ID just enough to slide over the primary coil,and an OD of say 2 1/2 inches. We now pulse a DC current,or apply an AC current to the primary. You will find that the secondary will produce the most power when placed in the center of the primary-not at either end where you think the magnetic field is strongest.
Once again,the magnetic(and electric field in this case),is strongest at the center of the electromagnet--not at the ends.

I would ask, what are you really measuring?. You are measuring the output voltage produced by the coil which is the result of mutual induction between the two coils and two distinct fields. Thus you are not actually measuring field strength at any given point per say but the efficiency of the mutual induction between the coils and core. You see this is why we must be very careful when considering what we are actually measuring in reality and what we think may be happening. As I said, you cannot accurately measure anything when the instrument used physically effects the measure.

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« Reply #129 on: August 11, 2016, 06:27:07 PM »
You still need many rice to eat. boy!    ;D

Oh mine,.you are specially funny.

I can't stop laughing....
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #130 on: August 11, 2016, 07:02:13 PM »
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Take two magnets of same size and grade-lets say a couple of N52 neo rod magnets of size 1/2 inch diameter x 1 inch long. Join the two together-north to south. They have now become one magnet. You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now,is it.

I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.

Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.

So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

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« Reply #131 on: August 11, 2016, 11:22:01 PM »
@tinman
I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.

Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.

So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

AC



If I may interject with an opinion, or a different perspective?

The Mono Pole has never been found, well it actually has, but it’s not been standardised. Science has not found Monopoles in Nature and its not currently a part of accepted Science: elusive 'magnetic monopoles' found

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In 1931, Paul Dirac, one of the rock stars of the physics world, made the somewhat startling prediction that "magnetic monopoles," or particles possessing only a single pole—either north or south—should exist. His conclusion stemmed from examining a famous set of equations that explains the relationship between electricity and magnetism. Maxwell's equations apply to long-known electric monopole particles, such as negatively charged electrons and positively charged protons; but despite Dirac's prediction, no one has found magnetic monopole particles.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp

A observational view point is most definitely distorted by the position of observation, today we know this and it is known that just observing some phenomena can distort the result.

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The team created their monopoles in a compound made of oxygen, titanium and dysprosium that, when cooled to nearly absolute zero, forms what scientists call "spin ice." The material freezes into four-sided crystals (a pyramid with a triangular base) and the magnetic orientation, or "spin," of the ions at each of the four tips align so that their spins are balanced—two spins point inward and two outward. But using neutron beams at the NCNR, the team found they could knock one of the spins askew so that instead three point in, one out … "creating a monopole, or at least its mathematical equivalent,"

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2009-10-large-scale-cousin-elusive-magnetic-monopoles.html#jCp

So, from an observational view point, a deformation of Spin, can appear to create a Monopole. To me, this implies standard Magnetic Formations are a precursor, or a better term a requirement for the formation of a Monopole.

Just as every Planet we have observed is Spherical, nature has a particular, or a specific set of base level formations on any and all objects.

A Structure of Spin does have the same base level formation defined by Nature, but this is different depending on observation view point.  The below image can be very different if one were to observe from Inside, in the middle, of the formation…

Of course, the "relationship between electricity and magnetism" does require a deformation of Magnetic Fields, a High Stress Area is required, where the Magnetic Poles Oppose each other and the structure does have a particular pole of the same kind on each end of the structure.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #132 on: August 12, 2016, 12:25:37 AM »


 I would say that the strongest magnetic field would be at the poles.
 Once you try to part two magnets you've essentially got two
 individual magnets and hence the attraction will be greatest.
 The electric field,however,is quite different.
           John.

But you dont have two individual magnets until they are parted. While you are trying to part them,they are still one magnet.

A lot of people confuse field concentration (the poles) with total field value.
The greatest total field value is at the center of the magnet-not at the poles.


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« Reply #133 on: August 12, 2016, 12:57:56 AM »
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Concerning this statement--- "You say the center of this magnet has the weakest part of the field-or is neutral ?. Well, try and pull them apart--not so weak now".
Grab the ends of your car and try to pull it apart -- which is the weakest part of your car and which is the strongest part?. Of course this is an absurd statement however this is exactly what your statement is suggesting. That somehow we could magically determine the greatest strength in the whole of the system simply by measuring a simple force between two individual parts in the system. The greatest field strength is not determined by measuring a simple force it is determined by measuring all the forces or fields present and determining which is the greatest and where it is the greatest.



So my question is very simple... if the external magnetic field does in fact change from North polarity to South polarity then where do you think it changes?, at what specific point does the change from N to S occur?.

AC

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I wanted to address this issue separately because there are many errors present. We should note that there is a difference between the field strength and the size of the field. For example when you joined your two N52 magnets they did not become one and the field density did not change. They are still N52 magnets having a known material field density however the volume of material has change increasing the size of the field present. You will note between the two joined magnets is a neutral zone and it will always be present at the pole interface unless the magnetic material is formed as one piece thus the two magnets are not one nor will they ever be one.

Of course they became one-as far as the magnetic field is concerned. You only have to map that field with your hall sensor,and you will see that the field will be exactly the same as that of one complete magnet the same size.

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Next is a simple error in logic most everyone seems to be making concerning the neutral space between magnetic poles. Now let's say we have called one end of the magnetic field a North polarity (N) and the other end of the magnetic field a South polarity (S). That is one end of the external magnetic field is N and the other end of the external magnetic field is S. Now if one end is N and the other is S then as we move down the magnet the field must obviously transition from N to S. So what happens at the midpoint where N becomes S?, a condition deemed N has become an equal yet opposite condition known as S. You see what many are suggesting is that one condition (N) has miraculously become an opposite condition (S) without a transition within the space between the two conditions.

Obviously one condition cannot just magically become another opposite condition without a transition from one to the other because that would be completely absurd yet that is what you are implying isn't it?. Something (N) has become something else (S) which is different however apparently there is no point at which this transition from N to S can take place anywhere... Do you think this makes sense? because it makes absolutely no sense to me and defies pretty much all the known laws of physics.


There is no north or south,these are terms used only to describe field flow direction.
If you look at any drawing of a magnetic field of a PM(or electromagnet),you will see that we depict a flow out from one end,and back into the other,and the only point along that magnet that has a unidirectional flow of this field,is at the mid point.

Your hall probe is measuring field density at one point of the field,and yes,this is at the !poles! of the magnet. But the greatest total field-and there for ,greatest total field strength,is at the center of the magnet.

As we use PMs in devices,where that PM field influences other parts of the device(E.G-induces an EMF in a coil,where that magnetic field is changing in time relative to the coil),then your statement about external influences upon the field is mute--as we never use a PM in a device where it dose not,or is not influenced by another part of the device. So what is the point in measuring the magnetic field the way you have?,when it needs to be measured in the conditions it will be in when being part of the operation of the device.

Lets look at the picture below-->what color line has the highest total magnetic flux flowing through it in one direction ?
What part of the field would cause the greatest induction to occur in a secondary coil?.

I think you have fallen for the old !nothing sticks to the magnet at the center,and so there must be no field! trick. You have also mistakenly measured the greatest flux density area with your hall probe-not greatest total field strength.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #134 on: August 12, 2016, 01:01:34 AM »
But you dont have two individual magnets until they are parted. While you are trying to part them,they are still one magnet.

A lot of people confuse field concentration (the poles) with total field value.
The greatest total field value is at the center of the magnet-not at the poles.


Brad


Sort of confirmation is a test I did with the zero force coil.


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