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Author Topic: Lenz free generator  (Read 343053 times)

Offline shylo

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1005 on: February 07, 2017, 12:10:28 AM »
I don't think you can eliminate Lenz.
You can only re-direct it.
It is part of a whole.You can't have one without the other.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1006 on: February 07, 2017, 01:22:16 AM »
Thanks Ron and thanks Shylo,


I'm not gonna eliminate Lenz... he's dead already ^^


And I think he was wrong in saying "will always oppose..."


See, I tried to explain this to many people, some of which have a masters degree in electrotechnics, and none of them understood what I was talking about, but they all recited wikipedia "truths".


From my point of view, if we can achieve a decrease of field strength instead an increase while approaching and also retain the polar alignement of the rotors magnet then it is only a question of elegant design.


The fixed PM, sitting viceversa the also fixed coil, can be superstrong, and the "old" lenz effect will totally act on it, but, stabile fixture given, it doesn't matter at all. Because the rotor reacts in the opposite way.
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1007 on: February 07, 2017, 10:15:29 AM »
Hi Dieter:
   I have always had the idea that a lot of the so called "laws of what ever" are in real life still theory that just cant be revoked. So far they will still stand up under what we know. If we learn something new that seems to invalidate these laws, then the authority peeps would have to relearn and that is always a fight to the end.    Perpetual what did you say??????

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« Reply #1007 on: February 07, 2017, 10:15:29 AM »
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Offline dieter

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1008 on: February 07, 2017, 10:08:18 PM »
Indeed, socalled accepted science has proofable flaws, and by simply ignoring them, accepted science is pseudoscience, that I do not really accept. Logically, accepted science is only accepted by some, beut they're good in socially sucking up, the tbeir voice counts billionfold. Of course it's not all wrong what they say. Even a blind chicken does find a grain from time to time. But eg. Lenz or Kelvins 2nd law of thermodynamics are not laws, but approximations, or high probabilities under conventional circumstances.


Please see here for my continuation of the reverse lorentz force drive:
http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg499501/#new

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1009 on: February 18, 2017, 08:49:45 PM »
[/font]Hi Dieter,Here is my build of your first version:The 'slugs' are cast iron, the magnets two 1/8th x 1 inch neos, the motion about 10 mmThe induced voltage is only 1.21 volts pk to pkIn the scope shot, channel A is a small air core coil to show normal induction (no slug) and to provide the trigger. note that normally the two channels would be 180 degrees out of phase but I have left one channel connected backwards to show the comparison better.In channel A the peak voltage is when the magnet approaches the coil most closely.In channel B the maximum voltage is when the slug approaches the coil/core. There is another peak when the slug approaches the magnet.Unfortunately because of the large gaps the output is very feeble, to the point of being unusable as a practical device.Four second video at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQkmiot6_8w&feature=youtu.beRon
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I want to exhume this thread, because the replication attempt has certain flaws that became clear only recently, by studying a crude test setup and by FEMM Simulation. FEMM now clearly indicates a violation of the law of energy conservation.


In a nutshell again the principle:


The stator has both, a coil and at a distance a strong  PM, facing the coil. Between these two passes by the Rotor element. Its function is to lower the magnetic field of the PM on the coil side. Hence we got current flow.
The rotor consists on the PM side of a shield, that adsorbs most of the PM's field and angles it 90 deg.


Ron basicly did just this. The idea btw. is definitely not to "bridge" the gap and increase the fieldstrength with the slugs (that''s just plain conventional), but to lower it! And as much as possible. But even now, we have an undesired axial polarity in this shield: the coil's reactive field would be of the same polarity like the closer end of the shield, and therefor repell it: exactly what we don't want, and the reason why Ron's Replication (btw. I never claimed to have a working OU model) didn't serve a free lunch.


But by software simulation a way was found to prevent this undesired shield polarity, simply by having a 2nd layer at the bottom of the shield, maybe 2mm spacer between them, and made of relatively weak permanent magnets. By this shield, according to FEMM, all fieldlines, emanating from the coil's side of the shield/rotor element, are forced into the direction that is given by this PM layer with slight superimposition of the strong stator PM.


So this time, the reactive field faces an unlike pole at the closer end of the approaching shield/rotor.


As the rotor passes by, the coils polarity flips and it will now repell the rotor that is already moving away.


For this to take place, a current must flow in the coil,but thw load must be low enough so the reactive field does not entirely prevent the fieldstrength drop caused by the shield.


That's it so far. If anybody is really interested, I've given all my data. But I may not continue my blig here, due to lack of interest, an eerie unexplixable ignorance like a glitch in the matrix.
kind regards


see also:


http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg500202/#new






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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1010 on: February 19, 2017, 06:34:44 AM »
It is our one-way thinking that stands in our way.
The technology doesn't exist to use both halves of
electricity.
If we understand why lense is there, we can learn to
use it, but we have to use both at the same time.
In opposite directions.
That's not how we build our circuits, therefore "lenz law"
holds true in any circuit we use.


To prevent dissemination of information, many of these
"laws" were structured around the way our technology works.
Not the other way around.
They teach us to do things certain ways, then tell us these things
Only work certain ways.


There are other types of technologies that operate under different
sets of "laws".
To understand those, requires a whole 'unlearning' of what you
already understand.
From the basics of our numerical counting system
To the 3 dimensions which we choose to draw in


To further confuse the situation, they cause a division among
the disciplines. This is done intentionally, to prevent a reversal
of their control processes.


As it pertains to electronics as a whole, and the topic of discussion,
they teach us to analyze the circuits in an opposite direction than
that which they teach us to engineer them.
One group of people look at it from - to +
The other designing them from + to -.


This confuses not only the true direction we are utilizing in our technology
But any hopes of figuring out how to use the other in our current architecture.
The very concept of using both at one time is lost in obscurity.


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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1011 on: July 21, 2017, 04:31:04 AM »
Hello every one  :)

In here I share with you a generator that in my opinion could go around Lenz's law and then you know what happens next ;)

I hope you find it interesting and if anyone builds a similar device, please share your results :) You can see this effect in the video which can be found in the description box.

Here you can see the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYTsOxzVTE8&list=UUXEFFysykQp53qAVElhrAgg

Best Regards

the video is not available
where I can find this video
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Offline nul-points

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1012 on: January 20, 2019, 03:36:52 PM »
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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1013 on: December 26, 2019, 09:40:47 PM »
Hi All ! need to revive the topic  ;)  . I want to publish one of my technologies . There is a magnet and a coil with a connected load . We begin to move the magnet away from the coil .current flows in the electric circuit .In this case, the magnetic field of the coil counteracts the outgoing magnet .
  But we do not want rotor braking, we want the eternal holiday of free energy   :)  :) ;D  ;D
        Therefore, we feed the iron washer on the other side of the coil . Iron accelerates to compensate for rotor braking !
Addition : in other positions of the rotor, the coil must be disconnected . If you want to get superefficiency   :D  :D  ;)
  watch drawing  MLG1 ( MLG - Minimal Lenz Generator )

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1014 on: December 26, 2019, 11:55:09 PM »
Hi Boris, 

You show a clever-sounding idea, thanks.   

Have you managed to do a test setup on this? If you did, could you share some results you achieved? 

Thanks and Happy New Year! 

Gyula

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1015 on: December 28, 2019, 01:26:18 AM »
Hi Gyula !   Thank you!  Happy New Year! After the holidays, we will continue to work  :)
     Addition to MLG1 :connect the diode to the coil electrical circuit so as to get energy when the compensator is working.
                      this will avoid design complexity .
     Does this technology work? Good ideas spread at lightning speed .Non Work ideas remain in the archives forever .
     I want to see this generator on Aliexpress inexpensively in 2 months .if this does not happen then I need to publish the following technology.   It's humor   :D   .
      Technology is freely available to all comers without restriction .
       I hope Google translator does not surprise you   .         
                                                                                                   Boris           

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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1016 on: December 28, 2019, 02:04:23 AM »
I would like to take this opportunity to suggest an addition to
Faraday’s solution.


Or rather include the inverse set forth by Maxwell’s equations.


Reverse Lenz (in the purely electrical sense)


(when you are done laughing continue below)


Consider the force to be the same as that of electrostatic or
magnetic attraction, and consider the portion of Maxwell’s equation that
allows this force to hold a negative value.


Now consider the ways in which we encounter the positive side of this force.
Note that the force is always trailing the moving charge.
Now consider the physical placement of a collector that “leads” the moving charge.
In this scenario we have a very real force accelerating the moving charged conductor
in the direction of motion.


Pulling it towards the contact before it arrives
Rather than pulling it backwards during and after contact.
Focus on the situation, don’t get lost in the practicality of actually achieving it.
Before we try, we must acknowledge the possibility and the conditions which must occur.

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Re: Lenz free generator
« Reply #1017 on: December 28, 2019, 02:26:39 AM »
Hi sm0ky2 . Your wishes come true in one minute   8) .  Technological humor   :)

 

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