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Author Topic: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!  (Read 78182 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #75 on: December 20, 2014, 02:36:59 AM »
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Everything you guys say is just vapid meaningless bullcrap.

This is the dead end where Synchro1 has no place to go.  We all know that he can't make a technical argument to back up his fantasy talk.  So the only place left to go is the bad attitude and the meaningless brush-off.  In other words, time to run away.

This is an example of the psychological problems on display.


MarkE

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« Reply #76 on: December 20, 2014, 02:44:14 AM »
@MarkE,

Everything you guys say is just vapid meaningless bullcrap.
Synchro1 I have offered you detailed explanations of the physics which you are free to test at your convenience.  If you are going to stomp your feet and exclaim "no it isn't" then you waste your opportunity to learn.

synchro1

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« Reply #77 on: December 20, 2014, 02:45:41 AM »
Take a look at this video. "Lenz Delay Effect" is a result of magnetization in a core:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5xnyj7xe4

tinman

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« Reply #78 on: December 20, 2014, 02:47:20 AM »
You are on the wrong track Tinman.  The speed of light or magnetic field propagation speed does not affect the operation of a transformer or pulse motor at the frequencies we are normally dealing with.  It's just a few picoseconds for the magnetic field propagation.

Here is a fun factoid:

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=122654

MileHigh
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #79 on: December 20, 2014, 02:57:54 AM »
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.

@Timan,

I know you don't need to be reminded that the air core of a coil has a permeability rating somewhere between a vacuum and nanochyrstaline. The aircore coil shares all the same characteristics of other cores with the notable exception of "Lenz Delay Threshold". The rotor just needs to travel faster before it gets the effect with an air core coil. The greater the load the closer it is to a dead short. Air magnetizes! The "Lenz Delay Effect" in an air core coil is the result of the magnetization of the air!

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« Reply #80 on: December 20, 2014, 03:26:07 AM »
"Depending on the distance along the soft iron rod, the phase of the magnetic field of the fluctuation can be in leading or in lagging with respect to the magnetic field of the magnetic rotor".

The same principle applies to the air core. The "Lag or Lead" depends on the magnetic viscosity of the "Core Air".

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« Reply #81 on: December 20, 2014, 05:17:42 AM »

just looking the on youtube ( not mine )


the motor is very simple maybe delayed lenz 100%

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94JetHjkipk )

MarkE

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #82 on: December 20, 2014, 09:19:36 AM »
Take a look at this video. "Lenz Delay Effect" is a result of magnetization in a core:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ5xnyj7xe4
The experiment shows that the magnetic field sensor sees field intensity versus left right position that goes to zero and then inverts polarity.  What that implies is that from the sensor's point of observation there are two sources 180 degrees out of phase along the length of the laminations.

There was no measurement of induced voltage anywhere.  Lenz' Law is a statement of the orientation of a current that results from Faraday induction.  The experiment fails to measure either induced voltage or current.


MarkE

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #83 on: December 20, 2014, 09:27:00 AM »
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.
Placing some impedance up to and including infinite in series with a conductor does not delay or interrupt the induced voltage.  It impacts the current that results from that voltage. 

MileHigh

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #84 on: December 20, 2014, 11:18:29 AM »
When something is delayed,that dosnt just mean how long it takes to get from one point to another. It can also mean we delay the time at which point the magnetic field in the generating coil is allowed to be produced. An open coil will not produce current,and thus no CEMF will be created-but a voltage still exist across that coil.If we delay the time a load is placed on the coil,we also delay the lenz force relative to that of the position of the rotor magnet. What has happened here is that you(and others) asume that it is the prpagation speed of the magnetic field that is said to be delayed,when in actual fact it can be the delay in time of an allowed current flow through the generating coil. This is nothing new,and i really do not understand as to how any one can say that a CEMF cannot be delayed relative to that of the inducing magnetic field. PM fields can be flipped or miss aligned to that of the CEMF produced from the generating coil. I want to see some one show !speed up under load) with an air core coil.

I am not sure what mechanism you are proposing to delay the placing of the load on the coil.  It almost sounds like you are talking about adding a switch where you control the timing of the switch.  I am not sure what you mean by CEMF relative to your proposition.  If you want to document what you are discussing in more detail then I may be able to comment on it.

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #85 on: December 20, 2014, 03:11:38 PM »
A number of years ago I telephoned Canada and spoke to some students who had claimed replication of the Heins
toroid device. They were extremely nervous and denied their own video, saying it was not cop >1.
Some time later I communicated with R over His Muller replication.  He was terrified. He had received a visit from the CIA.
He came to an agreement which essentially was, "Never show a device self running".
 
We will never probably  see a self running device until the powers that be get out of oil.
I have come across documents which I believe to be authentic which order patent offices to send apparent free energy device patent requests to head office.
 
Certain posters on this forum know what I am talking about.

minnie

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #86 on: December 20, 2014, 03:37:58 PM »



   Makes a good story but if there ever was a viable self-runner nobody would be able
 to stop it. In over ten years of looking I've never seen anything that looks remotely
 like being a success.
     Look at how old Rossi has festered on for years and years. Truth is that one good
 simple test would prove it one way or the other.
                           John.

tinman

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #87 on: December 20, 2014, 03:53:27 PM »
A number of years ago I telephoned Canada and spoke to some students who had claimed replication of the Heins
toroid device. They were extremely nervous and denied their own video, saying it was not cop >1.
Some time later I communicated with R over His Muller replication.  He was terrified. He had received a visit from the CIA.
He came to an agreement which essentially was, "Never show a device self running".
 
We will never probably  see a self running device until the powers that be get out of oil.
I have come across documents which I believe to be authentic which order patent offices to send apparent free energy device patent requests to head office.
 
Certain posters on this forum know what I am talking about.
I see the CIA(men in black) claim to be rubbish-a get out of jail free card. It is something fraudsters use as a means to never have to show there !so called! self runner-free energy device. How many times have we heard this one ::)
You point me in the direction of plan's,or a good description of one of these so called self runners,and i will build it and post it for the world to see. It seems that my country must be all out of MIB,and im not sure we even have a CIA-regardless of that,most of us Aussies arnt intimidated by government agencies and there bullying tactics anyway. Now why do you suppose that no free energy device claims come from a country that dont have this MIB problem? I mean chas campbell's so called free energy device was plastered all over the news nation wide,and he never got a visit from the MIB or CIA-->probably because they know we'd just tell them to piss off anyway.

minnie

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #88 on: December 20, 2014, 05:57:03 PM »



   Tinman,   
             I totally agree, just a semi plausible excuse,
                              John.

synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #89 on: December 20, 2014, 07:15:11 PM »
The experiment shows that the magnetic field sensor sees field intensity versus left right position that goes to zero and then inverts polarity.  What that implies is that from the sensor's point of observation there are two sources 180 degrees out of phase along the length of the laminations.

There was no measurement of induced voltage anywhere.  Lenz' Law is a statement of the orientation of a current that results from Faraday induction.  The experiment fails to measure either induced voltage or current.

There's only magnetizem in the laminated core. The core would need output windings to transform the magnetic flux into electricity. You may as well ask how much current and voltage there is in a permanent magnet. There is none. Only the magnetizem from the energised coil is transfered to the laminated core.

DLE is caused by a "Magnetic Phase Lag" in a core material and has nothing to do with current or voltage!