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Author Topic: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!  (Read 78204 times)

MileHigh

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #45 on: December 18, 2014, 02:28:23 PM »
Quote from: gotoluc on December 18, 2014, 05:07:40 AM
I can't use any motor as I'm using a single magnet and the effect needs the frequency to be in a certain range (200Hz or more), that's why I'm using the Dremel as it can go up to 35,000 RPM.
I know the Kill-a- Watt meter is not the ideal but it give a good ballpark. It has 0.0 decimal on the Watt reading and reads PF, so it should detect a half Watt change.
I'm also trying to get my hands on a variac and rectify to DC so we can get a more accurate power analysis.

Stay tuned

Luc

Luc:

The evidence is already showing you that the Kill-a-Watt meter sucks for your application.  Don't put your head in the sand.  Think about this:  For years you have been playing with pulse motors and generators and stuff like that.  I am sure that many times you have loaded a generator coil with a load resistor and observed that the prime mover drew increased current, slowed down, and had to put out more torque.  You know in all cases there is Lenz drag.  If you lower the power output of the generator coil, the Lenz drag will proportionally decrease.  This happens all the way down to zero.  There no "magic cutoff" point where at some lower power output level "magic" happens and the Lenz drag disappears.  We just explained why you see the phase shift in the current waveform when the load resistor is very low in value.

There is Lenz drag in your setup but you can't measure it.  It is totally irresponsible for you to claim that you can connect a generator to the Dremel and get power out from the generator at no cost to the prime mover.  You are just sticking your head in the sand in denial of what is really happening.

That's up to you to do, but it is your loss when you do things like that.  You are just cheating yourself.

MileHigh
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Bat1Robin2

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #46 on: December 18, 2014, 05:55:25 PM »
I think the magnetic field is part of the photon (EM field) and if you take the energy from the prime mover in any way then it can not return to the prime mover and in effect you reduce its energy. That is the lens effect and we already know it is at the speed of light because it is photons (EM).  There is no way to steal energy from the prime mover M field and expect  the prime mover to  not have a reduction in energy. If you steal the M energy you steal the E energy because the EM is one and the same photon electromagnetic energy! you cant take one before the other. So i say no lens delay. The only delays we are seeing is on our oscilloscopes because the coils are a storage device for the M which returns to the E on our scopes.  So really the lens effect is just the transferring of energy from primary to secondary, however you arrange the coils magnets steel and motors or generators is only an efficiency change that is all.  As the em moves down the wire we measure the M as current and E as voltage same old thing just photons. Its all photons. If i hand someone apples is there a delay to the time i loss the apples? of course not. thats silly. stop this foolish conversation.
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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #47 on: December 18, 2014, 06:31:09 PM »
Quote from: MileHigh on December 18, 2014, 02:28:23 PM
Luc:

The evidence is already showing you that the Kill-a-Watt meter sucks for your application.  Don't put your head in the sand.  Think about this:  For years you have been playing with pulse motors and generators and stuff like that.  I am sure that many times you have loaded a generator coil with a load resistor and observed that the prime mover drew increased current, slowed down, and had to put out more torque.  You know in all cases there is Lenz drag.  If you lower the power output of the generator coil, the Lenz drag will proportionally decrease.  This happens all the way down to zero.  There no "magic cutoff" point where at some lower power output level "magic" happens and the Lenz drag disappears.  We just explained why you see the phase shift in the current waveform when the load resistor is very low in value.

There is Lenz drag in your setup but you can't measure it.  It is totally irresponsible for you to claim that you can connect a generator to the Dremel and get power out from the generator at no cost to the prime mover.  You are just sticking your head in the sand in denial of what is really happening.

That's up to you to do, but it is your loss when you do things like that.  You are just cheating yourself.

MileHigh

There's nothing wrong with Luc's meter. There's something wrong with you and your inability to accept the facts. You're the one who needs to have his head examined! You are a compulsive lier.
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MileHigh

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #48 on: December 18, 2014, 07:18:17 PM »
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You are a compulsive lier.

I am sure that many people have read me for a long time and they know that I am honest.  If I make a mistake or I don't know something then I will readily admit it.

Even you know this about me.  So when you call me a "lier" (sic) you just keep on reinforcing to the readership what a fool and a buffoon and a liar you are.  Since you are something like a 50-year-old grown man, and you intentionally act like a complete idiot online and can be very disruptive, coupled with the fact that you have ridiculous nonsensical fantasies about high-speed pulse motors - it's reasonable to conclude that you may indeed have severe psychological problems.

That's the last off-topic and disruptive posting I want to see from you on this thread.
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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #49 on: December 18, 2014, 07:32:18 PM »
@Milehigh,

You're a very sick person. Who do you think you are to admonish me?


Quote from JLN:


"The loaded secondary coil is set at the phase shifting point and acts as a wave reflector, it returns the magnetic wave in opposition phase to the magnetic rotor in rotation, producing its acceleration" ...
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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #50 on: December 18, 2014, 08:14:02 PM »
@Milehigh,

I'm telling you right now Bub, you have no right to lecture anyone about "Lenz Delay Effect" without fully reviewing JLN'S profesional experiments. You are really blindly ignorant about the subject! You're shameless about your stupidity. I'm so sick and tired of you I feel like defecating on your face!
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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #51 on: December 18, 2014, 08:25:25 PM »
He's just a simple troll doing a days work, syncro.

Anybody know whats scale for a troll ?

Regards...

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MarkE

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #52 on: December 18, 2014, 10:02:37 PM »
Anyone who believes in the idea of free energy from a "Lenz delay" should study the graphic below.

Lenz' Law sets the orientation of induced voltage resulting from Faraday induction.
If a load is resistive, induced current is in phase with induced voltage and the resulting magnetic field at all times acts directly against the inducing current.  This is a unity power factor.
If a load is purely reactive, then energy is stored in the load and later returned to the source, and no net energy conveys to the load.  This is a zero power factor.
If a load is resonant, then the inductive reactance and capacitive reactance magnitudes are equal.  The load appears resistive.  In the case of a series L-C, the resistance appears low.  In the case of a parallel L-C, the resistance appears very large.
If a load is partially resistive and partially reactive, then more energy transfers to the load each cycle than is returned.  This is a power factor greater than zero but less than one.

Can making a load reactive unload a driver?  Of course it can:  Less work is done on the load.  In the extreme case the load effectively disappears, along with any useful work that could have been done by transferring net energy to the load. 

Can making a load reactive actually drive the source?  Not net across one or more complete cycles.  A reactive load can only return less energy in any given cycle than supplied by the source.

Can resonance help?  No, at resonance, the load appears resistive as either an effective short circuit across the source, or an open circuit.



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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #53 on: December 18, 2014, 10:10:37 PM »
@MarkE,

Where's the ferrite core in your schemaic? Gotoluc has a ferrite core exrending away from his ouput coil that interfaces with the spinning rotor magnet. The "Lenz Delay Effect" Luc demonstrates is a direct consequene of this core extensión..All that crap you posted is completely irrelevent!
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MarkE

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #54 on: December 18, 2014, 10:16:45 PM »
Quote from: synchro1 on December 18, 2014, 10:10:37 PM
@MarkE,

Where's the ferrite core in your schemaic?
Synchro1 you can use any type of core that you like in the transformer.
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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #55 on: December 18, 2014, 10:23:18 PM »
@MarkE,

Laminated cores work completely different from solid iron. What's the big idea of confusing everyone with a topic shift that stark?
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synchro1

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #56 on: December 18, 2014, 10:32:16 PM »
@MarkE,

Here's the kind of core that produces a magnetic wave shift in a transformer:
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MarkE

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #57 on: December 18, 2014, 10:32:34 PM »
Quote from: synchro1 on December 18, 2014, 10:23:18 PM
@MarkE,

Laminated cores work completely different from solid iron. What's the big idea of confusing everyone with a topic shift that stark?
The explanation of induced voltage and current, and the effects of phase shift between the induced voltage and current that have been labeled with the misnomer "Lenz delay" are quite independent of the implementation specifics.  One post back you asked about ferrite, now you are on about laminations and solid iron.  The physics is independent of the materials.  Properties of any particular material only set coefficients.
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shylo

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #58 on: December 19, 2014, 12:11:07 AM »
Without any steel in the system , Do the induced fields disappear the instant power is cut?
When the gen coil is a max output and you dump it into a drive coil, the gen coil now creates an opposite pole ?
But when you cut power to the drive coil does it create an opposite pole?
I know steel cores and rotors give much better results , but that is the achilies heel.
IMHO artv
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Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Delayed Lenz or not?... post your explaination!
« Reply #59 on: December 19, 2014, 01:10:20 AM »
" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper."

-Ed Leedskalnin

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