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Author Topic: Generator by Gerard Morin  (Read 149332 times)

Jeg

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #150 on: October 18, 2015, 01:38:39 PM »
Thank you Tinsel and scratchrobot.
I just wonder what happens if inconceivably small time interval is so small, magnitudes smaller than the actual RC discharging constant of the circuit. Capacitor or coil or battery, in such a small time interval doesn't have time to give any current at the output. Only pure voltage pulses or radiant if you like will be released. Isn't it a fact that radiant induces current by its interaction with copper? If not I am sorry for mentioning this. But if it is like that, how can someone predict input and output consumption numbers with the well known equations?

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #151 on: October 18, 2015, 03:08:44 PM »
Thank you Tinsel and scratchrobot.
I just wonder what happens if inconceivably small time interval is so small, magnitudes smaller than the actual RC discharging constant of the circuit. Capacitor or coil or battery, in such a small time interval doesn't have time to give any current at the output. Only pure voltage pulses or radiant if you like will be released. Isn't it a fact that radiant induces current by its interaction with copper? If not I am sorry for mentioning this. But if it is like that, how can someone predict input and output consumption numbers with the well known equations?


Isn't this what Bedini is doing? I think it is very difficult to predict the numbers but many experiments have been done but none resulted in overunity.

Jeg

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #152 on: October 18, 2015, 03:49:43 PM »

but many experiments have been done but none resulted in overunity.

The question for me is how many experimenters have made a solid state switch that hard closes and opens few million times per second and able to withstand serius amounts of voltage without the ionizing effects of spark gaps?

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #153 on: October 18, 2015, 09:30:15 PM »
The question for me is how many experimenters have made a solid state switch that hard closes and opens few million times per second and able to withstand serius amounts of voltage without the ionizing effects of spark gaps?

Lots of them. All builders of solid-state Tesla coils, for example. Big SSTCs using fullbridge IGBT primary drivers, for instance.

And even small ones using just a single mosfet with a PLL driver configuration:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeQ5WnziKBA

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #154 on: October 18, 2015, 09:37:49 PM »
Thank you Tinsel and scratchrobot.
I just wonder what happens if inconceivably small time interval is so small, magnitudes smaller than the actual RC discharging constant of the circuit. Capacitor or coil or battery, in such a small time interval doesn't have time to give any current at the output. Only pure voltage pulses or radiant if you like will be released. Isn't it a fact that radiant induces current by its interaction with copper? If not I am sorry for mentioning this. But if it is like that, how can someone predict input and output consumption numbers with the well known equations?

What is this "radiant" in your definition?
In all cases I have ever seen, "radiant" refers to what is actually radio-frequency, more or less high voltage, broadband noise. Which creates an oscillating EM-field, which has the various effects we all know about. Pure voltage pulses? Voltage is charge pressure, relative to some reference, which happens because someone or something is stuffing charge into a reservoir (or draining it away).  When charge moves... as it must in order to produce a voltage difference... that is current.

Jeg

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #155 on: October 18, 2015, 11:41:34 PM »
Hi Tinsel :)
Rf is a different story than radiant. Rf can be shielded but radiant can not. Rf is transverse radiant is longitudinal.
I still haven't found any effective way to close and open fast a switch between a cap and a load. The cap would be at about 300 up to 3000 volts for experimentation. I would like speeds up to some few MHz. Do you have something to propose? What is your opinion on Gerry Vassilatos and Ledemann thesis on the whole radiant story?   
     

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #156 on: October 19, 2015, 03:54:19 AM »
Jeg, I am experimenting with HV solid state cap discharges; caps in the 0.5uF area, voltages up to 15kV, discharge times < 100 nS. That requires serious (read expensive) switches.
Have a look at this company's products: http://siliconpowercorporation.com/solidtron-products/

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2015, 08:28:12 AM »
Hi Tinsel :)
Rf is a different story than radiant. Rf can be shielded but radiant can not. Rf is transverse radiant is longitudinal.
It still sounds to me like you are talking about the E-component of the EM field. And I don't suppose you have any evidence... like comparison experiments... that support the contentions. Any that might be better than this, I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk
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I still haven't found any effective way to close and open fast a switch between a cap and a load. The cap would be at about 300 up to 3000 volts for experimentation. I would like speeds up to some few MHz. Do you have something to propose?

See Memoryman's post.
Advanced spark gaps (check _all_ of Tesla's spark gap designs) might still be the best choice for the experimenter on a budget. You could also try vacuum tubes, as are used in high-power high frequency radio transmitters, but this will not be cheap either and isn't for the average garage experimenter.
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What is your opinion on Gerry Vassilatos and Ledemann thesis on the whole radiant story?   
     

BS. That is, word salad re-definitions of ordinary phenomena, constructed by people with some kind of "look-at-me" agenda. Where are the actual _true experiments_ that support their thesis? They just demonstrate things and put their own explanations up for them, rather than trying real experimentation that could have the potential to produce contrary data.

Well, you asked my opinion, and there it is.

Jeg

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #158 on: October 19, 2015, 10:56:25 AM »
Jeg, I am experimenting with HV solid state cap discharges; caps in the 0.5uF area, voltages up to 15kV, discharge times < 100 nS. That requires serious (read expensive) switches.
Have a look at this company's products: http://siliconpowercorporation.com/solidtron-products/

Thanks a lot for the link memoryman! Yes they look expensive but i will send them an email out of curiosity. Do you see any interesting effect? Any stringing sensations at higher voltage discharges? With a setup like that i would 'play' all day long! :)

Jeg

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #159 on: October 19, 2015, 11:53:59 AM »
It still sounds to me like you are talking about the E-component of the EM field. And I don't suppose you have any evidence... like comparison experiments... that support the contentions. Any that might be better than this, I mean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-MA8rzZSqk
See Memoryman's post.
Advanced spark gaps (check _all_ of Tesla's spark gap designs) might still be the best choice for the experimenter on a budget. You could also try vacuum tubes, as are used in high-power high frequency radio transmitters, but this will not be cheap either and isn't for the average garage experimenter.
BS. That is, word salad re-definitions of ordinary phenomena, constructed by people with some kind of "look-at-me" agenda. Where are the actual _true experiments_ that support their thesis? They just demonstrate things and put their own explanations up for them, rather than trying real experimentation that could have the potential to produce contrary data.

Well, you asked my opinion, and there it is.

Tinsel i would appreciate it a lot if you could describe me how you make these multiple quote answers. When i press the Quote button, the whole of your answer is quoted, and that's it. I can't make other quoting.

Your video is very fine! Did you try it with a normal solenoid coil instead of caduceus to see the difference? We know the difference but it would be very nice if there was any form of comparison between them.

Vacuum tubes. The perfect switch to replicate Gray's tube experiments and not only! But as you said garage experimentation needs cheap and clever designs to compensate the money difference. I fight on this challenge for a long time. No success until now.

For me Lidenmann just writes the story. We are the experimenters that hunt the truth. That is my main reason that i want to build a switch like this. If you remember before almost three years i had built a power mosfet spark gap control. It was cool for high power experiments but still had the well known problems when quenching is missing. Quenching is the most critical part and absolutely necessary. Last months i tried a lot to design something with just diodes and high frequency coils. No fruits until now but i am really confident that it can be made!

Your opinion will be always welcomed as it is always supported with real results. That is the why it is asked from many of us ;) Thanks

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #160 on: October 27, 2015, 09:47:01 AM »
Jeg, to see how to use the BBCode "quote" tags in a quote, just use the Quote button to quote one of my posts and then look for the
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No, the transmitter for the Caduceus coil will only work for that particular coil so I can't test it with a similar, solenoidal wound transmission coil. I could use other transmitter circuitry but that wouldn't really be a fair test.


Meanwhile.... maybe the Morin fans from EF are reading here. It took me about 30 seconds to dig up the following information. But really, if a builder can't find or interpret this stuff on his own... maybe he's in the right place for "replicating" Morin's kludges after all:


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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #161 on: October 29, 2015, 01:02:00 PM »
Dear ALL and sure robotinselnoway...LOL how you like them OU apples !? ; ) https://youtu.be/fnWuPzAKigs

memoryman

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #162 on: October 29, 2015, 03:49:08 PM »
I see a lot of large batteries.

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #163 on: October 29, 2015, 04:50:07 PM »
Dear ALL and sure robotinselnoway...LOL how you like them OU apples !? ; ) https://youtu.be/fnWuPzAKigs


Nice one  :)  but i think Gerard Morin's video's are better. I hope he makes new video's soon.


 

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Re: Generator by Gerard Morin
« Reply #164 on: October 29, 2015, 06:02:16 PM »
Neither shows OU.