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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #705 on: January 01, 2020, 11:37:27 AM »
Raycathode
                         THE LIVING OF TOMORROW
                                LIFESTYLE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v89ttUlwgJU

                             as real prototype

FE : the electric Watt consume per hour : 200
                            Easy to release.  !
         
           Beside FE also white/grey/black water treatment
           Household waste ( bio- composter,plasma converter)
           Food growth ( green house !?)
               

         AUTONOMY PROJECTS
         HIGH TECH TO LOW TECH

https://www.empa.ch/de/web/self/system

https://www.wohnwagon.at/en/

https://www.jovoto.com/projects/300house/ideas/12769


Information and discussion blog
( several hundreds " autonom living"sites  in the global net reachable,included camper-foren)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wohnwagon.at%2Fcategory%2Fautarkie-technik%2F

About China and the economic FE-question :
over the last twenty years they brought by mass production the market Wp price for photovoltaic converter in average 80% down and there has been some price potential drop more :
the western countries action against cheaper converter market prices : trade taxes. !


Twenty-five years = 1995 back

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1995 THE NEW ENERGIES
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                      2020 : same - better -worser  ?
1995-2020 : one article from the magazine
https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/spiegelspecial/d-9259199.html&xid=17259,15700023,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhiHEKBvGXY2kjGeoWpCFTHtTZuxAw

2020 :

E. U. NEARLY ZERO ENERGY BUILDING CONSTRUCTION STANDART ~ PASSIVE HOUSE ENERGETIC STANDART                                  20 Wp/sqm heat max

               
                           PASSIVE HOUSE COSTS : given example 165 US$/sqft

https://www.google.com/search?q=passive+house+price+sqm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

                                                      Low cost shelter

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                           300 US$/ 700 SF ~ ?

                     385 times square foot price difference. ! 38500% in a zero-tax economy

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #705 on: January 01, 2020, 11:37:27 AM »

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #706 on: January 02, 2020, 03:37:11 AM »
A rat will become electrically conductive at around 11v
Using aluminum base plates for them to stand on and
copper bars for them to grab with their mouse hands
a 3-bar circuit can be set up to act as a left/forward/right
steering system for a motorized ratcar.
Out of 16 rats initially tests, all of them learned how to drive
and navigate to random destinations within their driving arena.


Experiments like this should be performed with every type of
animal to push the limits of their intellect.
and advance the animals on a social level.


This type of thing could have amazing impacts on how we humans
interact with each other and the other life in our world.






More thought food::


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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #707 on: January 04, 2020, 09:18:46 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IESYMFtLIis
Why societies collapse | Jared Diamond

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #707 on: January 04, 2020, 09:18:46 PM »
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Offline sm0ky2

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #708 on: January 05, 2020, 12:03:27 AM »
The collapse of any society can be closely connected to a breakdown
of their core religious structure.


Societies with multiple religions are more resilient against a social collapse.


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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #709 on: January 05, 2020, 08:19:18 AM »
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The collapse of any society can be closely connected to a breakdown
of their core religious structure.

It was in fact a denial of the facts and science which led to the collapse of every society. Logically, if they believed in the facts and not religion and politics then the society wouldn't have collapsed. You can always tell who is peddling BS... there the one's with no tangible proof to substantiate their claims.

Here is my line of reason...
-Logically if they didn't believe the BS of religion and politics they would have believed in the facts.
-The facts said there actions would eventually destroy them and there society.
-Thus if they believed in the facts they would not have destroyed themselves
-Conclusion... don't be stupid, trust in facts because they are real and not silly unfounded beliefs.

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Societies with multiple religions are more resilient against a social collapse.

So if I believed one unicorn could save me if I jumped off a cliff then should I believe that many unicorns would somehow make me more safe if I jumped off the same cliff?. Personally, and this is just me, I was under the impression that as a grown up I was supposed to stop believing in fairy tales.

I like to think of it this way... if I was a bank manager and you came into my branch peddling this BS as fact expecting a loan of real value I would tell security to escort you out of my building. This is the best analogy I could use and fairy tales are by no means a tangible good or service. 

I know it seems normal to you but no it's complete BS, sorry about your luck.


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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #709 on: January 05, 2020, 08:19:18 AM »
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Offline Raycathode

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #710 on: January 05, 2020, 03:48:00 PM »
smoky2
It was in fact a denial of the facts and science which led to the collapse of every society. Logically, if they believed in the facts and not religion and politics then the society wouldn't have collapsed. You can always tell who is peddling BS... there the one's with no tangible proof to substantiate their claims.

Here is my line of reason...
-Logically if they didn't believe the BS of religion and politics they would have believed in the facts.
-The facts said there actions would eventually destroy them and there society.
-Thus if they believed in the facts they would not have destroyed themselves
-Conclusion... don't be stupid, trust in facts because they are real and not silly unfounded beliefs.

So if I believed one unicorn could save me if I jumped off a cliff then should I believe that many unicorns would somehow make me more safe if I jumped off the same cliff?. Personally, and this is just me, I was under the impression that as a grown up I was supposed to stop believing in fairy tales.

I like to think of it this way... if I was a bank manager and you came into my branch peddling this BS as fact expecting a loan of real value I would tell security to escort you out of my building. This is the best analogy I could use and fairy tales are by no means a tangible good or service. 

I know it seems normal to you but no it's complete BS, sorry about your luck.
My aren't you full of it Define religion ant that a man-made story? Now what about the FACTS in the old 'Coptic Hebrew bible' how do you explain all the finds like all the Egyptian chariots strewn deep in the sea of reads and Nohers ark found in Turkey and TutMoses trail around the desert for 40 odd years? the history is there for all to see! Oh and don't bother quoting King James bible that is full of BS and riled with over 250 errors
And then there is the Alexandra ancient library now with reports the Romans took it all and it's reported to be in the Vatican :) and that just the indexing was burnt along with the building. But we don't know how much of that is true, Yet.

With all, due respects It would be better if you stuck to the facts in zero-point rather than stuff you have not researched.

Raymondo

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #711 on: January 07, 2020, 11:19:24 PM »
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With all, due respects It would be better if you stuck to the facts in zero-point rather than stuff you have not researched.

I can't say that any research is required to understand that when people start doing stupid things because they have ignored the facts then bad things tend to happen.

For example, if your well was going dry you could pray to an imaginary deity hoping it gets better or find out what the actual problem is. Unfortunately most in the past chose to pray as society degenerated, as food and water became scarce and sickness spread over the land causing death. The people who managed to survive were the ones who recognized the insanity and moved as far away from it as possible.

It would be better if you applied some common sense based on tangible facts rather than unproven hearsay. The fact is you can't eat or drink politics or religion nor does it offer any shelter.

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« Reply #711 on: January 07, 2020, 11:19:24 PM »
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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #712 on: January 08, 2020, 01:14:05 AM »
Raycathode
I can't say that any research is required to understand that when people start doing stupid things because they have ignored the facts then bad things tend to happen.

For example, if your well was going dry you could pray to an imaginary deity hoping it gets better or find out what the actual problem is. Unfortunately most in the past chose to pray as society degenerated, as food and water became scarce and sickness spread over the land causing death. The people who managed to survive were the ones who recognized the insanity and moved as far away from it as possible.

It would be better if you applied some common sense based on tangible facts rather than unproven hearsay. The fact is you can't eat or drink politics or religion nor does it offer any shelter.
@ one power,
What's your problem, Ray said nothing about your an imaginary deity and you haven't checked on your facts your self you're quoting above, You exaggerate and exploit misleading information in order to make others look small and beneath you, it strikes me your a nasty person as far as I can see.

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #713 on: January 08, 2020, 03:18:27 AM »
I am not condoning or condemning any religion.
What I am saying is that it serves a necessary function
in human society that we have not yet found a way to replace.
Only a small % of us can comprehend the “facts”
Or even what we think are “facts”.


The rest need what religions do for them:
Even when that religion is to not have a religion.
Because even then , as soon as it breaks down and
people start making religious/superstitious crap
there goes the structure their social group was formed upon.


In today’s world with multiple religions , and non-religions in the same group
and the humorous newly created religions.
the collapse of any one religion is not as important to the group as a whole.
The fairy tales become less relevant to the society.
Which is the only real protection from that type of problem.
Leaving us only Famine, War, and Natural disasters to worry about.


People still need their religions.
Like the Thermodynamicsists.
When we show them that their theory is only half of the story
they get upset and think the whole of their knowledge has been disrupted.
This is an unscientific response, and can only be explained as a religious belief.
In the beginning there was a “closed system”.
Is that any more real than a god(s)?


Our society is based on the religion of economics. We believe that money is the
answer to making everything happen. In god we trust.
It is one answer. But there are many
problems with this method.
And it can never be sustainable.


Inflation leads to poverty and deprivation. Division of class.
Division of goods to the upper class and crap to the poor.


The more expensive things get the poorer we become.
Raising wages raises prices and never solves the problem.


Deflation creates wealth across the board. For everyone.
Lower prices means more expendable income, more freedom.


Even here we have religions....
We believe that mankind can change

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #714 on: January 08, 2020, 06:32:44 AM »
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I am not condoning or condemning any religion.
What I am saying is that it serves a necessary function
in human society that we have not yet found a way to replace.

I would have to agree and it will probably take hundreds of years to evolve beyond our present belief systems. We used to have thousands of gods and now only a few so were making progress. My feeling is that if there were "gods" they may have been advanced beings or alien. Which creates problems when both the atheists and the theists seem to show a great deal of intolerance towards my beliefs. Many speak of tolerance when it serves there interests but seldom practice it from what I have seen. I simply say openly what many others say behind closed doors.

I mean no disrespect or offense and call it as I see it based on my objective reality and research. If there is one thing I think we can all agree on is that our beliefs have always been changing in the past and will continue to change in the future. Therefore almost nothing we believe today may be true one or two thousand years from now.

Which begs the question, if everything must change with time and becomes less or untrue in the future then how can it be completely true today?. Do you see the paradox?, nothing we believe today is true... we just don't know it yet. :)



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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #715 on: January 08, 2020, 10:31:26 AM »
Smoky2
I would have to agree and it will probably take hundreds of years to evolve beyond our present belief systems. We used to have thousands of gods and now only a few so were making progress. My feeling is that if there were "gods" they may have been advanced beings or alien. Which creates problems when both the atheists and the theists seem to show a great deal of intolerance towards my beliefs. Many speak of tolerance when it serves there interests but seldom practice it from what I have seen. I simply say openly what many others say behind closed doors.

I mean no disrespect or offense and call it as I see it based on my objective reality and research. If there is one thing I think we can all agree on is that our beliefs have always been changing in the past and will continue to change in the future. Therefore almost nothing we believe today may be true one or two thousand years from now.

Which begs the question, if everything must change with time and becomes less or untrue in the future then how can it be completely true today?. Do you see the paradox?, nothing we believe today is true... we just don't know it yet. :)
Well thanks for the stereotyping being spiritual into your definition of historical 'facts' and other facts your ignoring in order to prove your point like bundling folk into the 'religion (man-made politics) you have issues with.
I dare say your afflictions of your own probably  fags and drink thus numbing your senses to whats really 'reality' anyway who cares what you think I don't

Anyway, when you die you will probably wake up!

Raymondo

PS do you like being able to post on here? because if you don't stop your antics will just get us kicked off! is that what you're working towards?
as this is a Zero point 'Forum' I strongly suggest you stick to it! As many East of the US have belief systems and possibly experiences and encounters they strongly believe in I doubt the admin will want to put up with this for long.

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #716 on: January 08, 2020, 01:12:07 PM »
Ray, it is OP's agenda to stop open source FE..!!

He is the antithesis of the theme here,and uses all manner of distractions...to distract !!
His act got old a decade ago,and there will not be enuff alcohol or drugs to soothe his selfish path.
his most recent rantings are just a reboot of convenient excuses while the world suffers the consequences of withholding FE ...
may the eyes of the starving ,tormented and suffering stare back at him as he drowns his "bliss" in a bottle...perhaps a few more extinctions ...a bit more pollution ...famine, drought...its all good at OP's house !!he has a good excuse....and a full fridge...no hungry tummys there..

 



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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #717 on: January 08, 2020, 03:18:57 PM »
The word “tolerance” is often taken to mean something different.


Tolerance is not acceptance, and condoning.
It simply means we tolerate them to live in our society with us.


I tolerate the presence of theological humans in my society.
That doesn’t mean I trust adults with imaginary friends to drive
on the same public streets as me, or to make decisions that affect
me or my family. Because on a very carnal level, I do not agree with
their interpretation of our human condition.
Nor do I feel that their illogical beliefs result in decisions that are of anyone’s
best interest.


I am not going to abuse them or force them to adhere to a different belief system.
But if it came to public vote, I would definitely vote to take away voting rights of
people that believe in god(s).
They forfeited their right to make decisions for other people when they forsook their reality.




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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #718 on: January 08, 2020, 05:44:23 PM »
The word “tolerance” is often taken to mean something different.


Tolerance is not acceptance, and condoning.
It simply means we tolerate them to live in our society with us.


I tolerate the presence of theological humans in my society.
That doesn’t mean I trust adults with imaginary friends to drive
on the same public streets as me, or to make decisions that affect
me or my family. Because on a very carnal level, I do not agree with
their interpretation of our human condition.
Nor do I feel that their illogical beliefs result in decisions that are of anyone’s
best interest.


I am not going to abuse them or force them to adhere to a different belief system.
But if it came to public vote, I would definitely vote to take away voting rights of
people that believe in god(s).
They forfeited their right to make decisions for other people when they forsook their reality.
Well how nice of you to behave like a rational human being 'not'  you talk of adults as if your a junior,
and you keep rattling on about a GOD wasn't Gad're'el inkeys brother later changed 6BC to Satan by monks sounds like your hero!

Fun this, with one who quotes Biblical stuff that's not! ask your teacher about pre-6BC Sanskrit speaking peoples and their Samarian rule.

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Re: Food for Thought: Our World
« Reply #719 on: January 08, 2020, 05:54:49 PM »
where's the FE discussion forum ?
these political / religious forums are always good to distract the masses.....
Well played OP ...... well played !
this is after all your real goal here ...division....distraction etc etc

 

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