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Title: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on December 04, 2014, 07:35:19 PM
Hi All,

here is a new Permanent Magnet motor that produces all the time
around 2 NewtonMeters torque.

Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjll5LI66Q (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTjll5LI66Q)

I just made a video of it from the Simulation Slides and animations
that were put out by Maxwell 3D simulator Program.

The Inventor is Simon A. Okojokwu from Africa.

The motor consists of basically 3 Radially polarized Ring Magnets
where tilted bar magnets are inserted to guide the flux onto the
inner rotor ring magnet into a spiral like fashion, so the rotor ring
magnet is always propelled into one direction with about 2 Nm of
torque.

I attach here his 2 PDF Files.
The other design is a more simpler design with disc magnets, but only
have about 0.2 Nm of torque, but this is not shown in the video.

The design shown in the video was tested with 2 different 3D Magnet simulators,
Maxwell 3D and CST STUDIO SUITE 2014 and shows always positive results.

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: TinselKoala on December 04, 2014, 08:35:45 PM
Is there a working, actual model, or just the simulations and animations? 






Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: lumen on December 04, 2014, 10:39:01 PM
Looks like it could simply be built in another plane using standard ring magnets.
The problem is that there is no driving force that can rotate the ring magnet because force lines would simply slide over the uniform field surface.
 
 
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on December 05, 2014, 04:03:59 AM
There is only these animations and simulations until now
and a prototype must be build to prove this these simulations.

And no to Lumen, a simulation shows of course a force onto the rotor
as it is also a magnet ! The forces are calculated via the volume integrals in the airgap.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: TinselKoala on December 05, 2014, 07:11:11 AM
Ah. So I suppose you will be "simulating" the award of a "simulated" Overunity Prize, then?

 ;)

Seriously, who is working to build a real working model of this design, and what _real_ experiments lead them, or anyone, to believe that it will work as the simulations seem to show?
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Low-Q on December 05, 2014, 01:30:06 PM
If I understand correctly, the inner and outer rings (With all the small magnets on them) are stationary, and the middle ring is rotary?


Vidar
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on December 15, 2014, 07:57:28 AM
I added to the first posting in this thread the ZIP file with the Maxwell3D file
to it...

So everybody who can get the Maxwell3D Simulation program to work on his PC can now play with it.

Thanks to Simon to having  freely released this file !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on January 08, 2015, 04:12:59 AM
The Simon magnet motor(SMM) uses the principle of moment of magnetic shear forces to rotate a pivoted ring magnet; the three ring magnets are in attraction mode, but they can also be in repulsion mode, i.e the inner and outer ring magnets can be in repulsion mode relative to the middle, pivoted ring magnet.

While experimenting with some magnets to see whether the tiny oblique magnets would incline the magnetic fields of the three ring magnets, I noticed that the tiny oblique magnets can indeed do so, and that the extend they to which they do this is affected by the flux density of the three ring magnets.

From series of simulations, I discovered that the output torque was affected by the following physical factors:
(1) The flux density of all the magnets in the motor;
(2) The heights of the magnets;
(3) The radii of the three ring magnets;
(4) The thickness of the three ring magnets;
(5) The inclination angle of the tiny oblique magnets; and
(6) The number of the tiny oblique magnets.

The output torque of the SMM is directly proportional to the flux density and the heights of all the magnets. It is directly proportional to the radii of the ring magnets; also it is proportional to the number and the inclination angle of the tiny oblique magnets. But it is inversely proportional to the thickness of the ring mafnets...
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: alan on January 09, 2015, 01:44:36 AM
In other words: fake
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on January 09, 2015, 07:06:32 AM
In other words, the behaviour of the motor can be perfected described mathmatically.

If H, B are respectively the height and the flux density of all the magnets; if R and D are respectively the radius and thickness of any of the ring magnet; and if N and Q are respectively the number and inclination angle of the tiny oblique nagnets; then the torque T of the motor would be equal to the right hand side of the equation given below.

T= K * H^a * B^b * R^c * D^-d * N^e * Q^f

K is the constant and its exact value can be gotten from experiment. The values of the powers a, b, c, d, e, and f can be gotten from dimensional analysis...
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on January 09, 2015, 10:26:26 AM
In the recent simulations, the total tiny oblique magnets were 40, and the output torque was 3Nm. The moment of inertia of the pivoted ring magnet was 1426.09201 *10^-6 Kgm^2; the angular acceleration was 2103.6 rad/sec.

If we assume that the pivoted ring magnet started from rest, the angular velocity of the magnet would be equal to (at), where "a" is the angular velocity, and t is the time taken to accelerate...

If t=1second, then the angular velocity is equal to 2103.6 rad/sec.
The formular for power is the product of torque and angular velocity.
Thus the power output of the pivoted magnet is (3 * 2103.6) Watt i.e. 6.309KW or 8.457Horsepower....
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: NoBull on January 09, 2015, 12:18:17 PM
@Stefan

I have a moving GIF animation of such system, but I cannot post it here because your forum corrupts animated GIF files.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 14, 2015, 03:18:43 PM
@Stefan

I have a moving GIF animation of such system, but I cannot post it here because your forum corrupts animated GIF files.

Please post it in a ZIP file archive
or send me the file via email to
hartiberlin@gmail.com

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: l0stf0x on January 14, 2015, 07:54:44 PM
Can anyone export the file for maxwell 11 and post it here? This file is for maxwell 14
 I don't know If it can be done somehow

I got the 11 version :( and it doesn't open the project.. Thanks
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: MagnaProp on March 13, 2015, 10:41:49 AM
I'd hit them up for a free 30 day evaluation copy. Seems fairly straight forward from the info given in the video though.

I'm curious as to what these parts I have circled in red are? Are they magnets or metal pieces that are attracted to magnets or metal such as copper which isn't attracted to magnets?

Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: MarkE on March 13, 2015, 10:53:44 AM
I'd hit them up for a free 30 day evaluation copy. Seems fairly straight forward from the info given in the video though.

I'm curious as to what these parts I have circled in red are? Are they magnets or metal pieces that are attracted to magnets or metal such as copper which isn't attracted to magnets?
Transencabulators are required for flux stability.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
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Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: pmgr on May 25, 2015, 04:56:18 AM
The forces are calculated via the volume integrals in the airgap.

Has anyone who has looked at the 3D model taken a look at how the air gap is discretized/meshed near the center magnet ring. In order to get reliable torque numbers, one would need at least 3-5 meshed triangles on each side of the middle of the air gap.

From using FEMM software, I know that if the airgap is not meshed fine enough, the torque numbers will be inaccurate.

Hoping that some one who has access to the software can post a picture of the mesh around the two airgaps at each side of the center magnet ring.

Secondly, the patent text mentions that when a magnetic field is emitted at an angle phi with the vertical, the force will be exerted at an angle of 2*phi. I was wondering if someone can provide a theoretical reference for this statement.

Thanks!

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Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Airstriker on May 25, 2015, 11:20:25 AM
I always thought radially polarized magnets are impossible to get - was I wrong or what?
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 26, 2015, 02:49:45 AM
They are easy to get.  We all used them in the JonnyDavro No Magnet Bedini motor replications.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsFMyZbj1I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsFMyZbj1I)

Here is another type:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY)  These are very, very strong neos.

Bill
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2015, 01:33:06 PM
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Airstriker on May 26, 2015, 01:49:22 PM
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp)


Where do you see the radially polarized ones here ? Any link to ring magnets like that (shop or something)?
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 27, 2015, 02:12:52 AM

Where do you see the radially polarized ones here ? Any link to ring magnets like that (shop or something)?

Right here:

https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX04X0DIA (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX04X0DIA)

These are what I purchased a few years ago.

Specs:

(https://www.kjmagnetics.com/images/magdir/dring-1-0.25.png) 
Dimensions (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Dimensions): 1" od x 1/4" id x 1" thick
Tolerances (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Tolerance): ±0.004" x ±0.004" x ±0.004"
Material (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Grade): NdFeB, Grade N42
Plating/Coating (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Plating): Ni-Cu-Ni (Nickel)
Magnetization Direction (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp): Diametrical    (This is what you need)
Weight (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Weight): 3.19 oz. (90.5 g)
Pull Force, Case 1 (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/faq.asp#pulltest): 40.44 lbs
Pull Force, Case 2 (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/faq.asp#pulltest): 49.01 lbs
Surface Field (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Surface): 6909 Gauss
Brmax (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#Brmax): 13,200 Gauss
BHmax (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/glossary.asp#BHmax): 42 MGOe
They have many other diametrically magnetized neos on their products page.

Bill
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 27, 2015, 06:31:30 AM
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52&cat=168 (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52&cat=168)

Airstriker:

Not what you are looking for but, Holy Crap!  Check this one out.  N52 625 pounds of pull force.

Wow.  How do they even ship something like this?

Bill
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Airstriker on May 27, 2015, 08:10:49 AM
https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52&cat=168 (https://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=DZ0X8-N52&cat=168)

Airstriker:

Not what you are looking for but, Holy Crap!  Check this one out.  N52 625 pounds of pull force.

Wow.  How do they even ship something like this?

Bill

Not really Bill. None of these are radially magnetized, which is really needed if you want to build the design which have the Maxwell files attached. Radially means like the one in the third picture at the following link:
http://www.supermagnete.de/eng/faq/Do-you-also-offer-radially-magnetised-rings
And these simply don't exist.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: TinselKoala on May 27, 2015, 12:00:02 PM

Where do you see the radially polarized ones here ? Any link to ring magnets like that (shop or something)?

The point is that you do _not_ see truly radially polled magnets here.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: ekimtoor1 on May 27, 2015, 01:23:22 PM
http://www.magmamagnets.com/radial-sintered-magnets
http://www.duramag.com/magnetization-options-for-neodymium-iron-boron-samarium-cobalt-ceramic-magnets/

These??
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Airstriker on May 27, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
http://www.magmamagnets.com/radial-sintered-magnets
http://www.duramag.com/magnetization-options-for-neodymium-iron-boron-samarium-cobalt-ceramic-magnets/

These??

wow

This changes quite a lot! Are  they available for purchase? 
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: ekimtoor1 on May 27, 2015, 03:47:24 PM
Most of the manufacturers want to sell you a production run, not individual magnets.  I did get a reply back from a chinese manufacturer that quoted me a quantity one price of $200 for an eight pole motor magnet made using the same technology, so they are expensive.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2015, 03:18:20 AM
Not really Bill. None of these are radially magnetized, which is really needed if you want to build the design which have the Maxwell files attached. Radially means like the one in the third picture at the following link:
http://www.supermagnete.de/eng/faq/Do-you-also-offer-radially-magnetised-rings (http://www.supermagnete.de/eng/faq/Do-you-also-offer-radially-magnetised-rings)
And these simply don't exist.

Sorry, I thought you mean diametrically magnetized as posted in my links.

Bill
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
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Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: ayeaye on May 29, 2015, 03:28:16 PM
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Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 30, 2015, 04:36:09 AM
I would like Russia to be an alternative to the rest of the world, but Russia is like everyone, there come only lies.

Exactly.

Bill
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: TinselKoala on May 30, 2015, 11:56:21 AM
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Right?

Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 04, 2015, 02:50:39 PM
Here's the upgraded information on the Simon's Magnet Motor
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Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on November 06, 2015, 12:01:09 AM
I received 2 new simulation videos and a PDF File from Simon about his Magnet Motor
Simulations.

Here they are:

https://youtu.be/s22EPdekd1w
https://youtu.be/LrvPk-1gPk4

The PDF File is attached.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: MagnaProp on November 06, 2015, 08:03:17 PM
Interesting to see it move. I notice some similarities to the Howard Johnson designs and some others I've come across which may have a chance of working.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 07, 2015, 07:27:05 AM
MagnaProp, I don't think the Simon Magnet motor is similar to the Howard Johnson Magnet Motor(HJMM) or any other permanent magnet motors(PMM).

Here's my reason: Majority of the PMM, including the HJMM, use Asymmetrical Regauging(AR) to produce continuous rotation; this is the major reason non of these motors has been able to achieve a COP that tends to infinity.

Asymmetrical regauging is defined as any process that CHANGES the POTENTIAL ENERGY of a system and produces a net force in the process. From the definition, and from the way most PMM operate, we see that the potential energy does not tend to infinity; we also see that most PMM require refuelling or regauging of their potential energy to operate continuously.

The Simon Magnet Motor(SMM) doesnt use asymmetrical regauging; for it doesnt regauge its magnetic potential energy. In the SMM, the stator permanent magnets are perpetually "running toward the rotor permanent magnet."
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: MagnaProp on November 07, 2015, 08:11:22 PM
The similarity I see is the orientation of the magnetic poles. Looks exactly the same to me. I agree with your assessment that there is a difference between AR and SR being used in Howards motors and this one.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: shylo on November 07, 2015, 11:39:51 PM
Hi folks,
I don't care how you arrange 2 or 200 magnetic fields , they will find a balance point.
Shielding will just offset the balance point.
The greater this force of balance is what needs to be manipulated.
2 magnets attracting ,..the closer they get , the stronger the attraction.
Introduce a third field at various angles, you can shear the force and use this to get propulsion.
But is it more than you put into shearing the field in the first place?
Everybody it seems , always work with 2 fields.
I'm looking into using multiple fields.
artv
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 08, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
You said, " I don't care how you arrange 2 or 200 magnetic fields , they will find a balance point".

You are wrong! A proper scrutiny of all those magnet assemblies that didnt work or that didnt produce any overunity effect, one would see that they all have one thing in common: they were designed to use asymmetrical regauging(AR). The systems all have accelerating and decelerating forces which cancel out each other; as a result the systems have to regauge their magnetic potential energies to function continuously.

You also said, " Introduce a third field at various angles, you can shear the force and use this to get propulsion. But is it more than you put into shearing the field in the first
place?"

Perhaps you were asking whether the available magnetic potential energy(MPE) is more than the work done in assembling the magnets. If that's your question, here's the answer: Yes the MPE is more than the work done to assemble the magnets; it is so becauase there's no conservation-of-work law in nature. That is, one can either do less work and get more energy or do more work and get less energy...
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: MagnaProp on November 10, 2015, 10:03:48 AM
I received 2 new simulation videos...
Looking at the video again, I wonder what is causing the sets of large arrows to appear and disappear? That seems to suggest the asymmetry that this motor needs to run. But why does it occur?

As for the Howard Johnson motor, I think it relies on basically a magnetic ramp but the ramp is weak enough, since the magnets aren't spaced that far apart, so that the momentum of the inner disc can go past the sticky spot.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 10, 2015, 01:10:55 PM
MagnaProp,
All the arrows, including the bigger ones that appear occassionally, are constantly rotating with the ring magnets. This reminds of the debate on whether or not a rotating magnet rotates with its flux. Several experiments confirmed that the rotating magnet does rotate with its flux. So the two videos do agree with the experiments.

The magnetic flux arrows you mentioned are behaving like surging currents. The fact that they are appearing and disappearing continuously could mean that the motor is occassionally behaving as an open system and is therefore occassionally receiving  influx of energy from the environment...
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: lumen on November 10, 2015, 06:36:46 PM
I think the design simply fools the simulator.
It appears to be nothing more than angled magnets in a field which we know does not work.

Do the small angled magnets need to be angled? or could they just be at 90 degrees and achieve the same effect?

The forces on the angled magnets appear the same in either direction, so why does it rotate.

Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 10, 2015, 07:46:07 PM
Its obvious that you dont understand the motor's principle of operation; if you did, your "argument" would be different...

It is also obvious that you have no clue as to the way finite element analytical softwares operate. Why would you say that the motor design fooled the FEA software?! This is laughable, you know.

Experiments and simulation results confirmed that the output torque is greater when the tiny magnets are  inclined compared to when they are not inclined or when they just be at 90°.

Your last question isnt clear... As can be seen, the magnetic fields of the magnet assemblies are asymmetrical; thus the net output torque acting on the rotor magnet is not zero.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: lumen on November 11, 2015, 01:12:42 AM
Its obvious that you dont understand the motor's principle of operation; if you did, your "argument" would be different...

It is also obvious that you have no clue as to the way finite element analytical softwares operate. Why would you say that the motor design fooled the FEA software?! This is laughable, you know.

Experiments and simulation results confirmed that the output torque is greater when the tiny magnets are  inclined compared to when they are not inclined or when they just be at 90°.

Your last question isnt clear... As can be seen, the magnetic fields of the magnet assemblies are asymmetrical; thus the net output torque acting on the rotor magnet is not zero.

So it would operate the same if all the ring magnets were stationary and the rotor was comprised of only the angled magnets?

Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: tiquila77 on November 11, 2015, 02:17:39 AM
No, it wont operate the same if all
the ring magnets were stationary
and the rotor was comprised of
only the angled magnets.

The angled magnets function like wave guides; besides, a closer look at the magnetic flux of the motor would reveal that if the angled magnets were to function as the rotor, the net torque acting on them would be small.

The maximum net torque would be obtained when the rotor comprises either the middle ring magnet or the the other two ring magnets and the inclined magnets, or the middle ring magnet and the inclined magnets.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on April 15, 2016, 09:22:52 PM
Please vote for the Simon Motor now called:
Inexhaustible Power Source (IPS)


http://contest.techbriefs.com/2016/entries/sustainable-technologies/6313

Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
P.S. You first have to freely register and login into this website to vote.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 14, 2019, 01:35:38 PM
Okay, here are some important news I received from Simon regarding his motor:

Stefan,
As a matter of fact, my design will surely work. You'd recall that I once told you about a German professor that picked interest in my design. You'd also that I said he built a modified version of the motor, and the prototype didn't work.

Now, after having perfected my understanding of how to rightly use ANSYS Maxwell, I simulated the two modified versions that he built; the software confirmed the behaviour of the prototypes. The software confirmed the extremely high cogging torque and the extremely short deceleration time.

Here's the sweet part. The software revealed that for the prototype to work, the rotor magnets should be reduced to either 40, or 30, or 20, or 10, etc. (Note, his prototype has 50 rotor magnets.) The software also revealed that the net forward and net back magnetomotive forces(mmfs) of the prototype are heavily dependent on the airgap lengths between the rotor magnets.

That is, there are particular airgap lengths that would cause the forward mmf to be greater than the back mmf; and there are particular airgap lengths that would cause the back mmf to be greater than the forward mmf. And there are particular airgap lengths that would cause the forward and back mmfs to be equal in magnitude and thus produce zero torque and zero rotation.

Currently the professor isn't carrying me along; he doesn't tell me things anymore. When I asked him why he hasn't reduced the rotor magnets to either 50,or 40, or 30, or 20, or 18, 16, etc; he said that he used glue to hold the magnets in the rotor frame, and that removing them would damage the magnets.

Regards,
Simon

=================================

The attached document contain the simulation results and the model used in the simulation.
FIGURES 2 to 7 show the simulation results which confirm the behaviour of the prototypes built by the professor.

FIGURES 8 to 11 show the only ways the prototype would work.

FIGURES 2A to 2C show the nature of the output torque, the speed, and the solid loss.

FIGURES 3A to 3C show the the deceleration of the rotor when given a push of 300rpm in the clockwise direction. As shown, the rotor comes to rest in less than a second.

FIGURES 4A to 4C show the deceleration of the rotor when given a push of 300rpm in the counterclockwise direction. As shown, irrespective of the direction of push, the rotor always comes to rest in in less than than a second. The professor said it was like the rotor was in a viscous fluid.

According to the professor, the same thing happened when he used 25 pcs of NdFeB magnets as the rotor magnets. FIGURES 5A to 5C confirm the results. And FIGURES 6 through 7 show the effect of giving the rotor a push  in the clockwise and counterclockwise directions.

Regards,
Simon

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Dear Stefan,

Cogging/detent torque is defined as the tendency of the rotor pole to align with the stator pole at minimum reluctance position. Pages 812 to 813 of the Ansys Maxwell’s manual explain how to use the software to calculate cogging torques. I’ve calculated the cogging torques of the motor when 50, 40, and 25 oblique magnets are used. The attached pictures are the results.


FIGURES 1A shows the result when a steel-1008-ring rotor and a 25-oblique-magnets stator are used.

FIGURE 1B shows the result when a 25-oblique-magnets rotor and a steel-1008-ring stator are used.

FIGURE 2A shows the result when a steel-1008-ring rotor and a 50-oblique-magnets stator are used.

FIGURE 2B shows the results when a 50-oblique-magnets rotor and a steel-1008-ring stator are used.

FIGURE 3A shows the result when a 40-oblique-magnets rotor and a ferrite-ring stator are used.

FIGURE 3B shows the result when a 40-oblique-magnets rotor and a steel-1008-ring stator are used.


FIGURES 1A-1B and 2A-2B show that the cogging torques are acting both in the clockwise and counterclockwise directions, meaning that the torques would resist any attempt of the rotor to spin. This is the reason the rotor behaves as though it were in a viscous fluid.


The graphs also show that the induced magnetic poles in the steel-1008 ring are roughly aligned with the poles of the oblique magnets.

The reason I use the word “roughly” is because of the fact that the graph plots are slightly towards the negative torque-axis. One effect of this rough magnetic locking is the slight difference in deceleration times of the rotor when it is given a push in the clockwise and counterclockwise directions. 


FIGURE 3A-3B show that the cogging torques are unidirectional. The graphs also show that the induced magnetic poles in the steel-1008 ring are not aligned with the magnetic poles of the oblique magnets, i.e. there’s no magnetic locking. Each time the magnetic poles of the oblique magnets attempt to lock on to the induced poles, the induced poles move away in the direction of rotation. As long as there’s no magnetic locking, the oblique magnets will rotate continuously about the axis of rotation.   


The pdf document contains information on the simulation results of the motor when 10,11, 12, 13, ...50 oblique magnets were used as the rotor.


I have the CAD file of the invention for 3D printing. Just in case you find anyone that would be interested in building the prototype.


Regards,

Simon


Be sure to View the 2 PDF Files , as they contain also all pictures !
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 14, 2019, 01:36:09 PM
Here is the first PDF File attached.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 14, 2019, 01:37:47 PM
Here is the latest PDF File from Simon attached.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2019, 10:21:46 PM
Here is more from Simon.The Story behind the professor building the motor.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on January 27, 2019, 10:23:41 PM
Here are all his latest measurements about it in a PDF File.A MUST READ !
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: Acca on January 30, 2019, 07:28:06 PM
Stefan thanks for the pdf.  '(s)...






Acca...



Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: skywatcher on January 30, 2019, 08:15:11 PM
Simulations are based on the known physical laws, which forbid such things as 'overunity' and 'self-running machines'. If the results of the simulation indicate otherwise this means that the simulation is wrong, or there are numerical errors. The only way to test a design is to build it in reality.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2019, 12:23:52 AM
Here are still 4 GIF animations from Simon,zipped in ZIP file,showing the torque vectors.So there are real tangential forces at the rim, that drive the rotor.
Here are the first 2 in one ZIP File.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2019, 12:24:41 AM
here is the next one attached.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: hartiberlin on February 05, 2019, 12:25:28 AM
Here is the last one.
Title: Re: Selfrunning Free Energy Permanent Magnet Motor - The Simon Magnet Motor motor
Post by: ramset on February 05, 2019, 04:52:55 PM
Stefan.
 thank you for the files,  as I did mention in PM ,discussing this with a few members here who are dedicated to open source and have the ability to replicate and post all results here.looking forward to your Movie summary .thanks Chet