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sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #570 on: January 12, 2015, 10:09:14 PM »
vaccinations which are incapable of causing any adverse effect.
Every natural remedy you've advertised here is capable of causing an adverse effect. :)
Every action you perform from driving a car (if you're old enough) to flipping a light switch is capable of causing an adverse effect. :)

or are light switches and baking soda also part of your delusion of population reduction. :)

So again, it's really very simple.  You need a useful (I even used that word before) definition of safe.  Not a...for lack of a better term...moronic one.  Keep being stupid - it is very entertaining. :)

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #571 on: January 12, 2015, 11:31:02 PM »
Last chance.   Please confirm my assessment of your argument or restate it in a clear and unambiguous way.

Refuse and you lose your argument about getting ignored once you enter the ring.  Since you now have thrice refused to enter. :)

We need the royal arse kisser...this cabal horse refuses to drink.

Oh, faithful butt pirate, where art thou ?

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #572 on: January 13, 2015, 02:19:33 AM »


I wish not to be like you when I'm your age sir!



I am afraid that you couldn't even if you tried.  It would take years of studying engineering, machining, (Master Machinist) Flying, Music and the arts for you to ever be able to catch up.  You should have started learning when you were younger.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #573 on: January 13, 2015, 03:06:52 AM »
Quote from: Sark-Eizen
Every natural remedy you've advertised here is capable of causing an adverse effect. :)
Every action you perform from driving a car (if you're old enough) to flipping a light switch is capable of causing an adverse effect. :)
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Any 'remedy' if improperly utilized or
negligently enacted may cause an adverse
consequence.

Adverse Effect = Negligence of Some Sort

Odd that you should agree, isn't it?

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #574 on: January 13, 2015, 03:16:28 AM »
Any 'remedy' if improperly utilized or
negligently enacted may cause an adverse
consequence.

Adverse Effect = Negligence of Some Sort
SeaMonkey post = Poor logic of some sort.

What you are doing is making a directional fallacy (I will of course define this if you are interested in learning but we all kind of know that you're not.  So I won't hold my breath. :) ) Pity they don't teach logic where you live especially since you're so very interested in truth. :)

Just keep on being a moron SM.  It makes me happy. :)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #575 on: January 13, 2015, 03:49:09 AM »

Just keep on being a moron SM.  It makes me happy. :)

Who/what else but a troll would make such a statement.

Case proven

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #576 on: January 13, 2015, 04:27:23 AM »
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No but for example ionizing radiation can knock out a gene (such as MDM2) which reduces the amount of a protein (such as p53) in cells which has at least three responses to DNA damage.  Any of which could stop the damaged DNA from reproducing.

I asked you to describe how some cancers are made and you give me this? At any rate, if I gather what you are trying to imply, you seem to be talking about a cure I guess.

But the main question was describe the PROBABILITIES of what causes cancers since we are always talking about probabilities.

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You need to ask a more specific question.  Do you not understand the terms "tissue", "blood" or how blood is transported through tissue.

I know tissue, I know blood, I know veins in the body like veins in a tree leaf! But I do not know further in the realm of this. I'm sure if I took my time I would learn it.

There are two things happening here! You are trying to “understand” the cure while I UNDERSTAND the cause. Two things are happening here. I don't need a PHD to understand the CAUSE! When it comes to INFLUENTIAL, only in the GENTIC being born with is where it is needed!

So when I ask you what you mean “Tissue made up of several different cell types that allows for the transportation of blood.” is just a way of me trying to get to the meat of the bone!

First you need to explain how cancers work! Like I would a dishwasher if I want to repair it!

The you have to understand what is the purpose of cancer. Like I would understand the purpose of a dishwasher!

The you have to understand other things e.g. like how the immune system works or how vaccines work.

You need to give a greater explanation of your answers if you believe you know how cancers work!
I don't know how to “repair” cancer, I just know the PROBABILITIES of how it can be caused.

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No but since the actual statement was about cancers that don't produce tumors. Leukemia is one, it produces an over-abundance of abnormal white blood cells. 

 Yes bone cancers, lung, white blood, red blood, all cancers are an imbalance of the body! I'm asking you me as a non-PHD having understanding how cancers and tumors are PROBABILITIES of human actions and you are supposedly the PHD having that understand how to cure them?

I only asked you to describe the cancers that you are familiar with, nothing else nothing more. And once you describe them, show why you are close to the cure and why you have not found the cure?

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Cancer is a broad term for diseases where cells divide more than usual.  Do you disagree?  If not, then what do you think tumors are?

I already mentioned that tumors are an imbalance growth of cells and is similar to cancer. If you have a guy careing a weight over 100 lbs over his shoulders for years, the tissue becomes damage and this over-repairing of the dead tissue causes a lump.  You can even see how the martial art people use this  to get their fist callous to thicken the skin as to give a greater punch!

That simplistic understanding carries over to cancerous cells = obesity, alcoholism, viruses, pimples, bruises! And I only know this by looking at the history of human body alone. If I want to dig deeper and get a PHD on understanding cancers, then i'm just going there to find a cure. Which i'm guessing you are trying to do that but i'm sure you have no magic pill to cure it since you cannot of you are trying to repair the EFFECT while ignoring the CAUSE!

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #577 on: January 13, 2015, 04:47:42 AM »
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I am afraid that you couldn't even if you tried.  It would take years of studying engineering, machining, (Master Machinist) Flying, Music and the arts for you to ever be able to catch up.  You should have started learning when you were younger.

Well then we would never have “evolution” or when the student surpasses the teacher. :P

I understand your pride, but your learning will never be STATIC since space time is always ticking! Lol

Is not like you did not learn from others? = “evolution” = CAUSE = AFFECT.

I will never stop learning in my living life and i'm 100% sure you are still learning,,,lol

Pirate88179

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #578 on: January 13, 2015, 04:48:41 AM »
I asked you to describe how some cancers are made and you give me this? At any rate, if I gather what you are trying to imply, you seem to be talking about a cure I guess.

But the main question was describe the PROBABILITIES of what causes cancers since we are always talking about probabilities.

I know tissue, I know blood, I know veins in the body like veins in a tree leaf! But I do not know further in the realm of this. I'm sure if I took my time I would learn it.

There are two things happening here! You are trying to “understand” the cure while I UNDERSTAND the cause. Two things are happening here. I don't need a PHD to understand the CAUSE! When it comes to INFLUENTIAL, only in the GENTIC being born with is where it is needed!

So when I ask you what you mean “Tissue made up of several different cell types that allows for the transportation of blood.” is just a way of me trying to get to the meat of the bone!

First you need to explain how cancers work! Like I would a dishwasher if I want to repair it!

The you have to understand what is the purpose of cancer. Like I would understand the purpose of a dishwasher!

The you have to understand other things e.g. like how the immune system works or how vaccines work.

You need to give a greater explanation of your answers if you believe you know how cancers work!
I don't know how to “repair” cancer, I just know the PROBABILITIES of how it can be caused.

 Yes bone cancers, lung, white blood, red blood, all cancers are an imbalance of the body! I'm asking you me as a non-PHD having understanding how cancers and tumors are PROBABILITIES of human actions and you are supposedly the PHD having that understand how to cure them?

I only asked you to describe the cancers that you are familiar with, nothing else nothing more. And once you describe them, show why you are close to the cure and why you have not found the cure?

I already mentioned that tumors are an imbalance growth of cells and is similar to cancer. If you have a guy careing a weight over 100 lbs over his shoulders for years, the tissue becomes damage and this over-repairing of the dead tissue causes a lump.  You can even see how the martial art people use this  to get their fist callous to thicken the skin as to give a greater punch!

That simplistic understanding carries over to cancerous cells = obesity, alcoholism, viruses, pimples, bruises! And I only know this by looking at the history of human body alone. If I want to dig deeper and get a PHD on understanding cancers, then i'm just going there to find a cure. Which i'm guessing you are trying to do that but i'm sure you have no magic pill to cure it since you cannot of you are trying to repair the EFFECT while ignoring the CAUSE!

Life causes cancer than, using your "logic".  Have you ever heard of a dead person developing cancer?  No?  Well, there you have it.  You have to be alive to get it so, life must cause it.

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #579 on: January 13, 2015, 05:12:58 AM »
I asked you to describe how some cancers are made and you give me this?
It is, in fact how some cancers are made.
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At any rate, if I gather what you are trying to imply, you seem to be talking about a cure I guess.
No, I'm talking about how some cancers are made. :)
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But the main question was describe the PROBABILITIES of what causes cancers since we are always talking about probabilities.
No, you asked where they come from.  That's not the same as a "risk factor".  If that's what you mean.
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I know tissue, I know blood,
Then why don't you understand how inflammation is a response from vascular tissue?
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You are trying to “understand” the cure while I UNDERSTAND the cause.
No I'm talking about one potential cause of cancer.  You are just making sentences that mean virtually nothing. :)
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First you need to explain how cancers work!
Such as genes which encode proteins which regulate cell division. :)
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I just know the PROBABILITIES of how it can be caused.
Then what is the probability of the kind of cancer I described: where an MDM2 knockout causes a reduction in  p53 which affects the ability to correct DNA or initiate apoptosis.

Whoops...guess you don't know the probability of that. :)
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Yes bone cancers, lung, white blood, red blood, all cancers are an imbalance of the body!
The problem with your sentence here is it doesn't say anything useful.  Is a reduction p53 a "imbalance"?  In some entirely uninformative way sure.  However it's only because I know three of the functions of p53 that I can say that.
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I'm asking you me as a non-PHD having understanding how cancers and tumors are PROBABILITIES of human actions
You are barely speaking English at a elementary school level.   If I take a wild guess, I would assume you're talking about risk factors.  So in the case of a MDM2 knockout - the risk factor is exposure to ionizing radiation. 
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I only asked you to describe the cancers that you are familiar with
...and I described the mechanism for one type of cancer I'm familiar with.  That's it.  You are just so incredibly ignorant you didn't understand that.
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show why you are close to the cure and why you have not found the cure?
I have not found a cure for cancer, I have never even come close because that is not my job.
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I already mentioned that tumors are an imbalance growth of cells and is similar to cancer.
Are you saying that tumors are NOT cancer?  That something is called a cancer because cells are dividing without the usual limits on them?  Is that what you're saying?

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You can even see how the martial art people use this  to get their fist callous to thicken the skin as to give a greater punch!
When you injure tissue you can end up with scaring.  Scaring is again not the same as a tumor.  Scar tissue looks different under a microscope than a cancer cell and cancer cells tend to look different under a microscope than normal tissue.  For example the Leukemia blasts are smaller than normal white blood cells.

joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #580 on: January 13, 2015, 05:42:45 AM »
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Life causes cancer than, using your "logic".  Have you ever heard of a dead person developing cancer?  No?  Well, there you have it.  You have to be alive to get it so, life must cause it.

Hmmm, I work out, I gain muscle mass. I eat more than expected, I gain weight. I stick my dirty thumb in fire, I get burn. I'm obese, 100% sure I will get a cancer if I was not genetically predisposed to one!

That little statement makes you believe that you know what you are talking about....you are just on attack mode bro! Where your senses are full of adrenaline and fail your logic.
First the dishwasher, then, you believing that I can't never learn what you know, then this = EGO! Egotistic while I'm just trying to find truth! You are responding to replies I was not even replying to you bro! That's not good forum etiquette...lol

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #581 on: January 13, 2015, 06:06:49 AM »


That's not good forum etiquette...lol

How the hell would you know?

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joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #582 on: January 13, 2015, 06:29:19 AM »
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It is, in fact how some cancers are made.

Well speak in 5 year old language since I'm 6 years old. I told you that obesity it is how cancers are made too! (which I'm right)

I was more towards you explaining point by point how only ONE cancer is created SCIENTIFICALLY!

I don't understand these numbers you speak off! If I was in your same class, I would, but I never was!

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No, I'm talking about how some cancers are made.

Ok, can you explain again HOW some cancers are made from obese people? Or are you talking about how some are predisposed to get cancer regarding the genetic code?

You are not explaining much!

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No, you asked where they come from.  That's not the same as a "risk factor".  If that's what you mean.

No, lol you seem to always start your sentences with NO towards me. As if you already predicted your future. At any rate, where they come from is not the same as “risk factors”?

I already told you there are only two places where they come from 1) genetic, e.g. being borne with it = predisposed! 2) influenced = obesity, alcoholism, caring 100lbs of weight on your back!

Is not being an obese person a “risk factor” for cancer?

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Then why don't you understand how inflammation is a response from vascular tissue?

I already mentioned that I understand INFLAMATION as the mere example of a guy carying a 100 lb weight on it's back would get an inflamated back = out of balance.

If you mean “vascular tissues” may lead to cancerous cells, then I agree with you. Maybe there is a language barrier here!

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No I'm talking about one potential cause of cancer.  You are just making sentences that mean virtually nothing.

NO! lol, you always seem to respond with NO! Life is all about CAUSE and EFFECT! Learning is CAUSE and EFFECT! Learning is CAUSE and EFFECT! Cancer is CAUSE and AFFECT!

One potential CAUSE of cancer always comes from the “potential” of EFFECT! = Cause AND effect! The CAUSE in the cancer comes from the EFFECT!

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Such as genes which encode proteins which regulate cell division.

Well a human body is a regulated cell division animal! The body is also GEOMETRICAL two arms, two legs, two eyes. The DNA has already been encoded to make a human animal since the sperm! You are being to BROAD if you proclaim to know a lot about this subject!

You are now claming to know the “encode” process and “what regulates” cell division?

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Then what is the probability of the kind of cancer I described: where an MDM2 knockout causes a reduction in  p53 which affects the ability to correct DNA or initiate apoptosis.

Whoops...guess you don't know the probability of that.

Well geeee, let me guess what that maybe, ONLY looking at it from one angle!

Well here you are knowing what all cells in the body are?

You keep mentioning these MDM2 and p53...what do you mean by that? Besides me knowing that you have no cure and maybe just one understanding of one cancerous cell?



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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #583 on: January 13, 2015, 06:32:05 AM »
While on the subject of Trolls the terms used by
the Chinese (and Taiwanese) to define (describe)
them are brilliantly fascinating:

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In Chinese, trolling is referred to as bái mù (Chinese: 白目; literally: "white eye"), which can be straightforwardly explained as "eyes without pupils", in the sense that whilst the pupil of the eye is used for vision, the white section of the eye cannot see, and trolling involves blindly talking nonsense over the internet, having total disregard to sensitivities or being oblivious to the situation at hand, akin to having eyes without pupils.

 An alternative term is bái làn (Chinese: 白爛; literally: "white rot"), which describes a post completely nonsensical and full of folly made to upset others, and derives from a Taiwanese slang term for the male genitalia, where genitalia that is pale white in colour represents that someone is young, and thus foolish.

 Both terms originate from Taiwan, and are also used in Hong Kong and mainland China. Another term, xiǎo bái (Chinese: 小白; literally: "little white") is a derogatory term that refers to both bái mù and bái làn that is used on anonymous posting internet forums.

 Another common term for a troll used in mainland China is pēn zi (Chinese: 噴子; literally: "sprayer, spurter").


The 'boldings' above seem most applicable to certain
Troll Personalities who are present within this discussion. ;)

Quote from: Wiki article Psychological Characteristics
Two studies published in 2013 and 2014 have found that people who are identified as trolls tend to have dark personality traits and show signs of sadism, antisocial behavior, psychopathy, and machiavellianism.[37][38] The 2013 study suggested that there are a number of similarities between anti-social and flame trolling activities[37] and the 2014 study suggested that the noxious personality characteristics known as the "dark triad of personality" should be investigated in the analysis of trolling, and concluded that trolling appears "to be an Internet manifestation of everyday sadism."[38]

Their relevance is suggested by research linking these traits to bullying in both adolescents and adults. The 2014 study found that trolls operate as agents of chaos on the Internet, exploiting hot-button issues to make users appear overly emotional or foolish in some manner. If an unfortunate person falls into their trap, trolling intensifies for further, merciless amusement.

This is why novice Internet users are routinely admonished, "Do not feed the trolls!" The 2013 study found that trolls often have a high expectation of what it means to be successful, which is higher than they are able to attain, and this results in them resenting others who think they are successful but who fall below their standards.

Aye, that is about the size of it...

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joel321

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #584 on: January 13, 2015, 06:40:35 AM »
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How the hell would you know?

I'm sure 99% of the population knows you don't quote responses to others and responds for them! You only respond when you are being spoken too period. You never respond to others when they are talking to someone else. That is life/forum etiquette sir and I thought you knew this based on your 'maturity'.