@Cap-z-ro

I've lost track of how many people told me of getting the flu right after the
vaccination.

Just yesterday I heard on the radio that flu cases are spiking in Alberta and the latest vaccinations are only around 50% effective. So really the best they have amounts to a toss of a coin 50/50. Ain't science wonderful?. I swear fact would seem to be stranger than fiction most days and normalcy a form of mental disorder promoted by underachievers.

AC
 

@Sark

50% effective in what sense?  No, you didn't think about it.  Did
you?
Well in that sense you've shown a pretty "normal" ability at statistics.

Uhm perhaps you could enlighten me then because I would love to hear your spin on this statement.

People who come into contact with any strain of influenza this year will have
only about a 50-50 chance of being protected by the flu shot.

Now what do you think this statement means?.
AC
 

perhaps you could enlighten me then because I would love to hear your spin on this statement.

Didn't you say that the risks of vaccination weren't worth the benefits?  Then retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion"?

Didn't you imply that the IQ of someone could be determined by observing them getting vaccinated?

I'm not sure I understand, when I say something then obviously that is my opinion isn't it?. Im' not sure how one could retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion"

Yawn.  Like talking to a 4th grader. Sure what you say is often your opinion however it's rarely purely your opinion.  When someone says "the risks outweigh the benefits" they are referencing something that is not purely a matter of opinion.   Hence you can, in fact retreat to a position of "it's just my opinion".

You also implied that you (and others) could determine someones IQ by watching them getting vaccinated.

"People who come into contact with any strain of influenza this year will have only about a 50-50 chance of being protected by the flu shot."

Well...

a) That isn't what you said originally and...
b) it's what I'd call "poorly phrased to the point of being useless".  "Any strain" - you mean any extant strain?  That's not exactly a useful metric since there are at least eleven serotypes and who knows how many extant strains.  Even if you were to assume you meant "prevalent strains" to determine what that means requires subtyping and less than a third of all virology is subtyped during flu season.  Not to mention we aren't even halfway through flu season.  So even here the statement is deceptive at best.  Now assuming I've been hired to do your homework for you and attempt to come up with a different statement which might be accurate.  One could see that the majority of typing that has been done is H3 and there have been concerned that there isn't a good match between what's in the current vaccine (A/California/7/2009 (H1N1)pdm09,A/Texas/50/2012 (H3N2), B/Massachusetts/2/2012) and a H3N2 strain which has been circulating.  Given that vaccine effectiveness varies between 60% and 80% for Influenza A anyway.  50% effectiveness isn't a bad estimate.  However that's just me trying to find an argument that fits your numbers.

Actually SeaMonkey, I'd prefer you refrain from saying any more than you already have.  There is a natural justice in all this.  Those that prefer to argue with you are far more inclined to blindly follow the mandates of the authorities.  To be quite honest, that suits me fine, let'm go.

DogOne,
I'm truly appreciative of your sage advice.
Being eternally hopeful I'm too often inclined
to expend effort where it would be best to just
let things roll along on their own.

Those who've not been inside the "Authoritarian
Beast' simply cannot appreciate that it frequently
resorts to lies, deceptions and other unethical
activities as it works to implement the AGENDA.

In due time all will be awakened whether they wish
it or not...

There really isn't much evidence to suggest you do this.  So don't worry.

When one is stuck within the Matrix one has very
limited vision.  Fear not, your eyes too will be opened
when the time is right.  All will be awakened whether
they wish it or not.

I think it is hilarious to see people scramble every year like good little dumb robots to get their flu shots that have been proven time and time again that they are totally ineffective against fighting anything except your immune system and causing all kinds of heath problems. not to mention they have trace amounts of mercury and lead derivatives that do massive damage to your brain, liver, nervous system, sterility  and God knows what else.
i have stupid friends that get these idiotic shots every year and are sick all the time but someone like myself that knows better than to fall for this bull crap and knows the truth have been completely healthy like (forever).
The MOB owns 51% of the Pharmaceutical Companies so you do the math (if that's possible)

@Mark E

Let's suppose that this year's vaccine prevents flu in exactly 50%of patients
who receive the vaccination.  Please explain what additional information, if
any, that you would evaluate before making a recommendation for or against a
given segment of the population getting the vaccination or skipping it.

I would recommend everyone review both sides of the argument for and against the issue for themselves and not believe something from someone they do not even know such as me. Personally I get the flu once every few years for a day or so and then I'm good to go. As such a flu shot which may only be 50% effective and may have some serious side effects makes absolutely no sense for me. It is not even a minor inconvenience for me so really I see no point in it whatsoever.
My concern is that the government and pharmaceutical agencies seem to be saying the flu shot is "safe and effective". However at the same time the media is saying the flu shot may only work 50% of the time and that there may be serious side effects. I don't know who is correct, how could I, but I do know someone is most likely wrong and I would rather be safe than sorry. I simply offered an alternative view to the main stream one , no more no less.
AC