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Pirate88179

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #195 on: December 16, 2014, 06:16:43 AM »


Getting in a pissing match with an ass kisser is an endless undertaking...I showed the ass kisser ol Cap wasn't as stupid as he hoped.

And he still doesn't realize his troll's ass has bailed.

Regards...

Still showing your ass fixation I see.  No one here is surprised.

Oh, I was the Design Engineer on those and many other projects, not the janitor.  I can see if that is what you do for a living you would make that assumption.  No shame in being a janitor, you should be proud of it.

Bill


Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #196 on: December 16, 2014, 06:54:13 AM »

Whats he still doing here the troll who's ass he was kissing has vamoosed ?

Hope he doesn't think mine is kissable at some point.

Regards...

*Cap ponders ways to avoid using word ass when confronted with ass kisser*


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #197 on: December 16, 2014, 03:51:31 PM »
Another new 'vaccine scam' whistleblower has now come forward.

This time its the lead developer.


" Dr. Harper also authored many of the published, scholarly papers about the vaccines.  She is now the latest in a long string of experts who are pressing the red alert button on the devastating consequences and irrelevancy of these vaccines.  Dr. Harper made her surprising confession at the 4th International Converence on Vaccination which took place in Reston, Virginia.  "

http://universalmindradio.com/2014/12/13/lead-developer-of-hpv-vaccines-comes-clean-warns-parents-young-girls-its-all-a-giant-deadly-scam/


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allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #198 on: December 16, 2014, 05:01:15 PM »
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At the time of writing, 44 girls are officially known to have died from
these vaccines.  The reported side effects include Guillian Barré Syndrome
(paralysis lasting for years, or permanently — sometimes eventually causing
suffocation), lupus, seizures, blood clots, and brain inflammation.  Parents are
usually not made aware of these risks.  Dr. Harper, the vaccine developer,
claimed that she was speaking out, so that she might finally be able to sleep at
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“The benefit to public health is nothing, there is no reduction in cervical cancers, they are just postponed, unless the
protection lasts for at least 15 years, and over 70% of all sexually active
females of all ages are vaccinated.” 
That was a great link even though I found the article in itself very disturbing. Personally I cannot reconcile how a parent could act so irresponsibly while claiming to care for their child. I think we are going to see more and more professionals coming forward as they see their peers being open and honest about what is really happening behind the well orchestrated PR campaigns by the corporations. Greed is the primary motivator here and that is one thing I'm sure everyone can understand, I think these corporation leaders need to put in jail to set an example for the rest.

AC

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #199 on: December 16, 2014, 05:22:46 PM »
Your post is at least close to what you were talking about so I'll respond until you won't answer questions.
Another new 'vaccine scam' whistleblower has now come forward.
Nope.  This article is primarily copypasta from material as early as 2009.  Sheep like you don't care and don't investigate.
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This time its the lead developer.
Nope.  Diane Harper was not the "lead developer" there is probably no such person in a research team.  Nor is she a leading expert.  She was a site investigator one of many.  Strike #2.
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"Dr. Harper made her surprising confession at the 4th International Converence on Vaccination which took place in Reston, Virginia."
...in 2009.

However if you think so much of her opinion you might consider this quote she made shortly after one of the earlier articles:
Quote from: Diane Harper
I did not say that Cervarix was as deadly as cervical cancer. I did not say that Cervarix could be riskier or more deadly than cervical cancer. I did not say that Cervarix was controversial, I stated that Cervarix is not a ‘controversial drug’. I did not ‘hit out’ – I was contacted by the press for facts. And this was not an exclusive interview.”
This was even quoted in a linked article (although it was framed as if she was being attacked but there is no evidence of this alleged attack). Also 
Quote from: Ben Goldacer who talked to Diane after that article was published
Professor Harper has complained to the PCC. “I fully support the HPV vaccines,” she says. “I believe that in general they are safe in most women. I told the Express all of this.

I don't know Dr. Harper but I've now listened to excerpts from the conference and from other anti-vaccine propaganda.  Her concern appears to be twofold one being that cervical carcinomas are slow developing and that only 5% of infected women have invasive carcinomas.  The problem with her reasoning is by the time you reach that detection level your 5 year survival is at best around 1 in 2.   So 2% of HPV infected women will die needlessly.   According to the article she has a concern about the length of time the vaccine remains active but I haven't been able to find a place where her quote isn't broken up into tiny pieces.    The idea that a vaccine would last for 15 years is far from impossible in a similar way that aquired immunity does.  If the data starts to show a drop in seroposivity you can easily add a booster to the cycle.

I think this is about the time you pick some other nugget from the article and pretend that your argument was all about that. :)  Perhaps you want to start with the VAERS bit - which as far as I can see she didn't actually say.  Since now that we're straight on efficacy you probably want to pretend you know something about harm.

sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #200 on: December 16, 2014, 05:23:25 PM »
@CapThat was a great link
Estimated time allcanadian spent researching this: 0m 0s

allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #201 on: December 16, 2014, 06:13:15 PM »
How do we block other members posts again?, I can't find it in settings... does anyone know where to find it?

AC

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #202 on: December 16, 2014, 06:27:34 PM »
How do we block other members posts again?, I can't find it in settings... does anyone know where to find it?
I truly mean no offense but seriously why didn't you spend any time attempting to refute the ideas presented?  Any reason other than you already agreed with them?   Why is that not anywhere close to a priority for SeaMonkey, Capt-Mo-Ron and yourself?

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #203 on: December 16, 2014, 08:09:02 PM »
In true CDC style, this CDC troll has already been caught altering my text for his own purposes.

What other text from others is he altering is now the question ?

If...the whistleblower really has recanted, I can think of 2 good reasons for the about face.

1. money
2. threats

I can only think of 1 good reason for her initial words...guilty remorse.

Allcanadian, you correctly identified greed as a prime motive for the CDC altering their test results to further their sick agenda.

Greed will get them in the door, the ghoulish goal in this processes is depopulation

There are no shortage of psychopaths like the nazi Mengala in the cabal...and there are endless ghoulish methods used along the way.

Greed is a great motivating factor to attract participants no doubt though.

Regards...



sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #204 on: December 16, 2014, 08:22:35 PM »
If...the whistleblower really has recanted, I can think of 2 good reasons for the about face.
Actually if you read the quote you'll see that it does not appear to be a recant.   She complained to the PCC.  That's the Press Complaints Commission about the Express's handing of the story containing what appeared to be her coming out against HPV vaccines.  So you're wrong again.
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I can only think
Doubtful.
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1 good reason for her initial words...guilty remorse.
Again if you spent even a few minutes researching rather than uncritically accepting you would also find that it's more likely she was misrepresented at least partially.  In fact she denies that she gave the talk at IPCV so she "could sleep at night" you can find this information in several locations including an interview on an anti-vaccine propaganda show.

See instead of turning your poorly researched idea into yet another conspiracy theory.  You could actually listen to the things she has said and her criticisms of HPV vaccines and then have a position actually based on information.

Ah well... As I've said you put no effort into investigating this before posting it.  So as SeaMonkey talks about things like the "search for Truth".  You can rest assured that you're not part of it. :)
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allcanadian

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #205 on: December 16, 2014, 09:51:35 PM »
I think this about sums it up....
http://time.com/3634443/cards-against-humanity-poop-black-friday/#3634443/cards-against-humanity-poop-black-friday/
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And so Cards Against Humanity decided to create a media spectacle of its own
by pulling all of its products off its site and only selling “Bullshit” — which
Temkin says sold out in less than two hours
Now one has to ask why 30,000 people would buy a box of BS at $6 a pop which was labelled as BS and disclosed as BS?. I think this pretty much explains everything doesn't it?, I mean we really don't have to debate this any futher. Why we could tell people something was killing them, we could offer proof it was and I bet there would still be a line up of people willing to pay for it, lol, priceless.

AC
 

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #206 on: December 16, 2014, 10:18:35 PM »
I think
If you had I'm sure it would be front page news.
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Now one has to ask why 30,000 people would buy a box of BS at $6 a pop which was labelled as BS and disclosed as BS?
Well while it was clearly labeled CAH has a history of pranking customers and having a sense of humor about their product.  Clearly that and the culture surrounding black friday was enough to cause some people to think that CAH was selling something they wanted.   Perhaps some just thought it was a novelty item.  People have sold poop on the internet before.
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I think this pretty much explains everything doesn't it?, I mean we really don't have to debate this any futher.
Please, please don't characterize what you do as "debate".  You devalue the word.
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Why we could tell people something was killing them, we could offer proof it was and I bet there would still be a line up of people willing to pay for it
In specific cases this is not much of an exaggeration.  For example tobacco is exactly what you describe - in fact it's far deadlier than your made-up 5% figure for "some vaccines".  However it's helped considerably by being rather addictive and legal.  However this does not hold for vaccines.  In fact since Wakefield and various other people shilling anti-vaccine nonsense there is a detectable decrease in vaccinations.   Not to mention that you have let your mask slip a bit there.  A few posts back you were "let people make their own decisions" now you seem to be saying that there is proof that vaccines kill people (presumably in some way that the diseases they protect against don't)


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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #207 on: December 16, 2014, 11:19:16 PM »
Please, please don't characterize what you do as "debate".  You devalue the word.


Yeah AC...if you want to score points in a debate you must alter your opponents text like the CDC troll does.

Regards...


sarkeizen

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #208 on: December 16, 2014, 11:33:04 PM »
Yeah AC...if you want to score points in a debate you
...have to debate.  i.e. have a point, support it and be able to respond rationally to criticism. 

Fixed that for you. :) :) :)

Did you notice that when you stepped into the ring you had to leave pretty quickly. :) :) but hey if you can make an actual point about guardsil or cdc whistleblowers.  I'm listening...or are you backing down (aka talking about anything other than the point you brought up) if the later.  I think that was a one punch KO. :)

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Re: Vaccinations; recent developments
« Reply #209 on: December 16, 2014, 11:55:51 PM »
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Yeah AC...if you want to score points in a debate you must alter your opponents
text like the CDC troll does.
Regards...
You know I use to enjoy the banter with spam posters but after a while it's just seems lame because it is pointless. There is no debate in it nor is it informitive in any way its just ridiculous so I generally opt out of the conversation. I liked your last link by the way and facebooked it, thanks again.

AC