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Title: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 28, 2014, 03:23:20 PM
Yes you read the title correctly, OverUnity does not exist, and it never will.

What does exist is the evolution and continuous improvement in the energy systems we create.  What is happening now is the development of highly efficient energy harvesting and storage systems that will soon augment and eventually replace our existing energy systems. The new energy systems developed will help us meet our future massive energy demands.

Inventors continue to push the boundaries across all aspects of our energy systems life cycle. They are using everything from magnetic levitation to vacuum's that optimize engines and increase efficiency through the  reduction of friction and scavenging of unused energy in the process. Other inventors are developing methods for  harvesting microwatts using a range of techniques including peltiers, crystals, peizo's, kinetics, solar and others.  A third group of inventors are developing methods for the transfer and storage of energy using super capacitors and next generation batteries.

I do envision we will see these techniques converge quickly and we will soon have a range of low cost solid state devices that can harvest energy from a variety of sources, convert that energy into electricity, rapidly store the energy and finally use this energy to drive electronics and machines.

Is this OU?  No! It is energy harvesting and optimization but this is exactly what Tesla meant when he said " We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy.  There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly."

So I applaud the efforts of the inventors who continue to push the boundaries to achieve Over Unity. These are the dreamers who’s efforts will change the future through the creation of an energy abundant society.

NINK
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: TechStuf on November 28, 2014, 04:56:39 PM
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Is this OU?  No! It is energy harvesting and optimization but this is exactly what Tesla meant when he said " We are whirling through endless space with an inconceivable speed, all around us everything is spinning, everything is moving, everywhere is energy.  There must be some way of availing ourselves of this energy more directly."[/size]So I applaud the efforts of the inventors who continue to push the boundaries to achieve Over Unity. These are the dreamers who’s efforts will change the future through the creation of an energy abundant society.

Way to get excited there Nink!  Bravo.  But do you really think that the "dreamers" care about terminology?  OU not OU?  The supposed "pros" can't even seem to agree on terms.  We all want a "better" world.  Problem is, the world cannot seem to agree on those terms as well.  On the one hand, you've got "believers" who wish to safely and reliably get more out than they put in....and then you got those who want to dictate terms.

Two very different groups ideologically.  You've got your "kill 'em all, and let God sort 'em out types....and you've got your "Free them all, until God sorts them out" types, and everything in between.

Some just want to share it, the others want to own it.  Historically, who has always won?

And it's in the winning, that we always seem to lose.

That "energy abundant society" of which you speak?  It had better step on the accelerator and hire an armada of off world bodyguards if it's going to over take the greed abundant, ignorance abundant, war abundant one.

http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/06/pole-shift-of-noahs-day-about-to-happen-again-heres-the-evidence-you-decide-2461772.html (http://beforeitsnews.com/prophecy/2014/06/pole-shift-of-noahs-day-about-to-happen-again-heres-the-evidence-you-decide-2461772.html)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2734573/Mystery-glow-Pacific-Ocean-Pilots-left-baffled-strange-orange-red-lights-spotted-dead-night.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2734573/Mystery-glow-Pacific-Ocean-Pilots-left-baffled-strange-orange-red-lights-spotted-dead-night.html)

New volcanoes are being reported almost weekly these days.  Most of them undersea, as the crust is thinner down there.  Quake and volcano reports have increased dramatically and the cwhoreporate media pimps a perpetually perverted party line. Reports of rogue waves and tsunami warnings are becoming the new normal.  Weather across the globe is becoming much more extreme.....

So, I guess that in a sense, your enthusiasm is warranted.  An energy abundant society is just over the new horizon.  And by the looks of it, solar, geothermal, and wind & ocean wave power generation are going to be the short order of a tall day.

Of course, if the onslaught of 'entirely fictional' sci-fi movies and television series is any indication, that new horizon is going to be stellar!

Heck, Interstellar, even.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxOhd4qlnA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vxOhd4qlnA)



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Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 28, 2014, 06:25:32 PM
@techstuf

I fully agree we live in troubled times. I am not sure we can end climate change , stop wars or aliens from invading (OK I am not worried about the last one)  but I do think we can come up with a mobile phone that I never have to charge because it uses kinetic energy when I walk and peizo when I touch type, I do think we can create roads that absorb the suns energy through graphene coated surfaces and provide that energy back to the vehicles who travel along it via induction, I do think buildings can be constructed with solar roof tiles, panels and walls, transparent windows coated with chlorophyll gels that use  photosynthesis to generate energy, peizoelectric floor boards that generate power with every step, air conditioners and heaters that use peltiers and sterling principles to optimize their power consumption.

The technology is all available today to do all of this, the real challenge, as I am sure you are well aware, is the companies that generate revenue from current energy sources (Big Oil, Natural Gas, Coal, nuclear  etc) do not want to give up these revenue streams and the manufacturers who use the traditional  energy sources are heavily subsidized by the government and the energy companies. 

 Will it take a revolution to solve this? Maybe but as individuals we can still move forward in our efforts to get off the grid.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: TechStuf on November 28, 2014, 10:11:02 PM
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Will it take a revolution to solve this? Maybe but as individuals we can still move forward in our efforts to get off the grid.

Optimistically, I would tend to agree.

Pessimistically, I would say, change the word "grid" to "Planet" and I would tend to agree.

Realistically?

"Who can wage war with the 'beast'?"

http://i59.tinypic.com/24oyrrm.jpg (http://i59.tinypic.com/24oyrrm.jpg)

How real does that seem?  You see, I'm one of the "dreamers".  And the picture at the link above was actually shown me in a dream on more than one occasion.  Given that so many of them have been fulfilled, I've learned to take them seriously.  The One who told us what was to come, and very accurately, over 2 millennia ago....also told us the outcome.  Given mankind's track record from nearly the beginning, what makes one think that he can collectively extricate himself from the mess he's made on this particular world empirical go-round?  He's just as corrupt at the top as ever before, only this time, he's got apparent command of the most destructive technology he's ever had his hands on.

Do the hard research; All the comparative analyses, and the Sane Conclusion is that Christ was and Is correct. 

About everything.

And that's a Good Thing.




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Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 29, 2014, 05:36:26 AM
Hi @techstuf

I sincerly have to appologise. Unfortunately, the belief in spiritual beings or the worship of their associated  religions is not an area i have expertise in. I wish you all the bset in your spiritual journey.

NINK
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: ramset on November 29, 2014, 12:44:54 PM
SO NINK


Have you ever been to Florida?
I use Florida as am example because its the Lightning capitol of the planet.


if not well I'm sure you've heard about or seen lightning ?
do you believe in magic??


If you've never had the _PLeasure_ of walking thru a town and have a lightning bolt come out of the clear blue sky ,or been in a lightning storm where you actually feared for your life, Tree;s exploding, the concussion knocking you off your feet the hair standing up on your whole body The abject terror as one after the other Bolts explode with such force you are left stupefied and terrified  .


it would dawn on you that we actually do swim in a sea of energy,and nature on a regular basis will stabilize this Humongous machine in all manner of ways .


to assume that it would be completely "nuts" to think that we could harvest "free Energy" from this "sea of energy " is well
magic thinking
the kind of Magic that some would have you believe.


at the beginning of the last century we built a power plant with state of the art technology [Niagra falls]
at the same time we had guys running down the beach with sand between their toes
jumping into the air with fabric wings in the Carolina's {Wilbert and Orvil]


if you follow that time line,  Wilber and Orvil's leads to Comets and satellite landings


and electricity?  whats the state of_ that_ art along the same time line ?


lets take a walk into that  Niagra Power Plant
OH LOOK Its exactly the same ,why it looks just the way it did at the turn of the last Century,when we peaked inside while Orvil and Wilbur were running down the Beach
like Magic!!


do you believe in Magic NINK ??
I don't


thx
Chet




Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: MarkE on November 29, 2014, 01:56:00 PM
Chet there is lots and lots of energy coming form the sun.  A good deal of that energy gets stored up in the atmosphere.  Some of that gets stored as separated charges and discharges as lightning.  Harnessing atmospheric discharges is particularly daunting:

The discharges are very random in location and strength.
The discharges have very high peak to average power ratios.

People have considered different options for trying to overcome these problems, but no technically viable solution has been proposed. 

In the meantime, a different way to harvest energy from the sun:  PV has advanced by leaps and bounds and the cost has fallen dramatically: 

http://www.internet-public-library.org/carbon-reduction/advanced-solar-cell-developments-2007.jpg

http://greenecon.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/price.jpg

The biggest challenges in energy are not generation.  They are storage and distribution.  In a Buckminster Fuller kind of world we would have solar plants and/or wind and/or tidal plants distributed at all longitudes and therefore able to supply power anywhere on the planet 24/7.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 29, 2014, 03:21:40 PM
Chet,

I have no issue with harvesting available energy sources. I do have issues when people state that you can get more energy out of a closed system then goes into that system. Did you actually read my post?

By the way i lived in Palmerston Australia (near Darwin) for a couple of years where i experienced a massive number of dramatic lightening strikes due to the high concentration of  iron in the ground.  Also Florida is not the lightening capital of The world.  The world is bigger than the USA. The most lightening strikes occur in Democratic Republic of the Congo.  Please focus on facts and data.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: hoptoad on November 29, 2014, 03:50:58 PM
I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of your opening statement. I've always seen the quest for OU as one where dreamers occasionally stumble across the newly possible as they search for the impossible. To me, the quest is an important one, simply because the journey itself is the path that leads to discovery. Each new failure in the search for OU still has the potential to provide some new insight into what can be possible in terms of energy conversion, storage and distribution.


I've never taken the title of this website literally. But over the years, I've been privileged to witness some great experimenters pushing the envelope in various ways and generously sharing their work and time.


If their is one particular OU that occurs here regularly, it is Over exhUberance.!
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 29, 2014, 04:30:24 PM
@MarkE I agree, the renewable energy sources we have on earth are a result of external factors outside of our planet.  The Sun is responible for creating Wind that drive turbines,  Waves that move salter ducks, Brine that produces Osmotic,  Solar that feeds PVs, rain that drives Hydro etc  Even the creation of tidal energy like in the Bay of Fundy is the result of the moons gravitational force.

The problem as you clearly stated is not just the creation of energy from the renewable sources it is the storage and transportation.  I have been doing some research and experiments on super capacitors for energy storage and I have had some success in low cost creation of super capacitors using natural processes (Graphite and Green Tea) that I beleive can be easily replicated at a large scale. I think this type of research should help with capturing our energy at the time of creation but it doesn't resolve our long term storage issues. I was involved in some lithium air research a while ago and lithium salt water and Lithium Graphene also show a lot of promise for stoarge but I do not see either of these as environmentally friendly or sustainable options. 

How we get that energy from the point of creation to the area it is used is another real challenge that needs to be resolved.  I beleive the energy harvesting systems need to be directly built into the products and associated systems that use them.  The simplest example is the solar powered calculator on my desk.

@hoptoad great post and I agree the enthusiasm of community is electric. Now if we can only capture the energy generated from that enthusasm we would be one step closer to acheiving the mythical state of OU  :-)   
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: ramset on November 29, 2014, 04:34:59 PM
More out than you put in....
Sorry NINK I thought you meant   Overunity does not exist    meant something  like pulling Free energy from the air on planet earth was impossible ,or Magic thinking??


thought perhaps you meant ,doing something as passive as flying a Kite with a key on a string in a lightning storm could not evolve into a TPU or similar device.??


Yes,   energy harvesting is NOT more out than you put in. you just Plug in...


sorry about the Florida comment ,my experience with some "statistics" predates NOV, 2014 google searches..
yes its all PERSPECTIVE and no I don't believe for an instant that free energy  is Magic


its harvesting ,whether it be the TPU or similar environmental harvesters


 or methods for extracting/harvesting the stored energy available in every bit and piece of matter in the universe NMR LENR GEOFUSION ETC ETC ETC

sorry to not quite get what you meant, glad we're in agreement


welcome to Overunity.com NINK ,I know you've stated here that you have over 100 patents
IN your name and drive around with NINK licence plates and all Manner of NINK  Bling
 
OH and you also Help People get Patents as part of your work ..[are we over 100 yet??
Nov google search?]


I guess you missed the open source part [top of the page]
or are you just Networking ......?
so's you can help??


Thx
Chet
PS
Toad good to see you around
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: ramset on November 29, 2014, 05:21:55 PM
Here's a picture of the Engine,  the one that throws power at US [NOT U.S. NINK} 24/7
and runs on some of the "other stuff" that Mark E will gladly tell you all about
[I think He's been there]



http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/ (http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/wsa-enlil/)  [thanks to Rosphere for the wonderful link]


but in all seriousness
amazing place we live ,and we ain't figured it all out yet ,Although Techstuffs Bible
says we will before the _END_


I'm not actually in that big a rush..


thx
Chet
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 29, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
Thank you for the welcome Chet,  I appreciate your continued interest in my license plates, patents and mentoring of inventors :-).  I initially joined this community as I was concerned that a potential scam was occurring and I wanted to voice my concerns.

I believe the efforts of the community, specifically MarkE,  MileHigh and TinselKoala have taken to continually expose obvious fraud are worthy pursuits especially when people who do not have the same level of expertise as they do may actually invest in a scam if this information was not provided. 

Since then I have spent some time reading the posts and I have learned a lot from this community. Many of the subjects discussed here are Taboo in the Main Stream Media as they impact Big Oil, Natural Gas and Nuclear Power companies revenue streams.  Based on the field specific terminology being used in a lot of the posts it appears there are a large number of scientist, researchers and inventors here who are sharing and collaborating on ideas.  As long as I am welcome I will try to continue to collaborate.

Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: ramset on November 29, 2014, 07:47:36 PM
Nink
just be ware that Money and business are Poison here !





respectfully
Chet








Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 29, 2014, 08:18:44 PM
I agree with Nink.  I think that Stefan should have called this "Energy Harvesting Dot Com."  That term really says it all in my opinion.  This would cover obtaining energy in the most efficient way possible from both known (at this time) and possible unknown sources.

The term "Free Energy" is fine with me as I see it as "Free To Me Energy".  Energy I can obtain for free...not energy that comes from nowhere.

I actually use that term sometimes in my videos of devices where I am getting all of the light I need for free.  It is not overunity, simply obtaining a lot of light at no cost to me by using "dead" or more specifically "depleted" batteries that I get at no cost from friends that would have thrown them away. 

In the US alone, we purchase over 3 billion alkaline batteries every year!  That is a lot of batteries going to the landfills that could be used to make free light for many, many folks for a very long time.

I am now playing with circuits that are about 95% efficient in operation.  99% would be better and 101%, at least to me, is not possible.  Nothing wrong with trying to get as efficient as the components will allow.

***WARNING***

Begin Personal Opinion Rant

I am not doing this to save the planet as the planet does not need saving.  It was here long before man and will be here long after.  After all, global warming is a hoax (re-named to climate change after they got busted, twice.) that does not influence my efforts.  I am doing this to save money, and perhaps bring lighting devices to those that never had them before or, can not afford to operate them.  If this works then maybe I can make some money so I can eat a little better and afford medical care. (Which just increased by 300% thanks to our person in the White House. My policy now costs $100/month more than my gross pay per month, no choice but to drop it.) Thank God I am very healthy at this point.

End Personal opinion Rant

So, not overunity but energy harvesting, and, figuring out ways to use the energy we do have as efficiently as possible.  Also, continuing the search for new sources of energy.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: forest on November 29, 2014, 10:10:07 PM
Overunity is impossible , that's a fact . However this doesn't mean free energy is impossible, and it even doesn't mean free energy with amplification is impossible. You can test it yourself, but it's not recommended.... for example solar panel can be have rised power output if you use a lens to focus more sun rays on it.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on November 30, 2014, 04:04:37 AM
Overunity is impossible , that's a fact . However this doesn't mean free energy is impossible, and it even doesn't mean free energy with amplification is impossible. You can test it yourself, but it's not recommended.... for example solar panel can be have rised power output if you use a lens to focus more sun rays on it.

Hi Forest

I am not sure i understand you definition of amplification or the correlation you have provided with the ability to increase the solar energy created through magnification.   Example if i took a magnifying  glass with circumference x and used this to concentrate solar rays onto a small solar cell i would generate y watts.  If i took a large solar cell of circumference x i would generate z watts. The larger solar cell would actually generate more energy than the smaller solar cell with a magnifying lens of the same circumference as we would obtain losses in the processes. So z>y 

 I realize there is value in using low cost parabolic mirrors and water cooled solar cells due to the manufacturing costs of the cells but I don't  actually see any amplification of energy that occurred in your example. 
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 04:17:39 AM
Hi Forest

I am not sure i understand you definition of amplification or the correlation you have provided with the ability to increase the solar energy created through magnification.   Example if i took a magnifying  glass with circumference x and used this to concentrate solar rays onto a small solar cell i would generate y watts.  If i took a large solar cell of circumference x i would generate z watts. The larger solar cell would actually generate more energy than the smaller solar cell with a magnifying lens of the same circumference as we would obtain losses in the processes. So z>y 

 I realize there is value in using low cost parabolic mirrors and water cooled solar cells due to the manufacturing costs of the cells but I don't  actually see any amplification of energy that occurred in your example.

I agree as I have tried this.  A magnifying lens simply gathers available light and concentrates it into a smaller area.  Due to the losses associated with using a lens, you actually get a little less output while doing this.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: hoptoad on November 30, 2014, 12:13:54 PM
snip...
PS
Toad good to see you around


Likewise Chet ..... KneeDeep.


I never really left, but I'm just a silent observer for the most part, these days. Still, it's that time of year, and the pulse motor build offs, as always, attracts my attention. So I've been lurking in the pond a little more regularly lately, to see what goodies are up for display.


These pulse motor build offs are like my version of a Xmas party. I can't wait to see the variety of builds this year. With 3D printing taking off in a big way, I won't be surprised to see a few rigs hot off the printing press!


Cheers.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: rods on December 02, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
I agree, Overunity is impossible, BUT, Mechanical advantage is easy.I have a lever inside a frame. The fulcrum is 2" from the end of the lever which is connected to a homebuilt crankshaft, on the crankshaft I have a 14" diameter 40lb flywheel. the total length of the lever is 50" This results in a mechanical of 25-1, what I need to do is attach a motor to the long end of the lever to keep it moving around 100 times per minute. Any ideas would be welcome, The intent is to belt drive a 40 kw generator from  the crankshaft.
Yes it will work. I can move the lever by hand to get 50 rpms on the crankshaft with only 1-2 lbs of pressure on the lever, also 5 lbs of lift on the lever generates over 100 lbs of torque on the end of the crankshaft.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 02, 2014, 11:51:15 PM
@Rods Cool:  "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world." - Archimedes
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: rods on December 03, 2014, 12:56:37 AM
Yep, but I'm not interested in moving the world, just want to move the lever at speed.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: forest on December 03, 2014, 01:57:04 PM
What I'm trying to say is that todays marvels  are tomorrow common used tools ;-)
Example : If somebody once invent a black plate and this black plate is capturing sun rays not just visible but in all spectrum and generate tremendous amount of electricity per square meter you would say it's a hoax, but soon after scientific papers it become obvious tool. Point of view is changed everyday...
I would not be surprised if soon scientists prove we are not generating even a single watt of electricity....all is coming to us from sun and we only use "lens" to capture more...
So, yes oveunity is not possible because every device has looses, but we can build devices like heat pump acting on natural electricity...
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 03, 2014, 04:58:45 PM
Completely agree will continue to get closer to 100%'efficiency but we will never achieve 101%
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: myenergetic on December 03, 2014, 08:34:49 PM
I agree, Overunity is impossible, BUT, Mechanical advantage is easy.I have a lever inside a frame. The fulcrum is 2" from the end of the lever which is connected to a homebuilt crankshaft, on the crankshaft I have a 14" diameter 40lb flywheel. the total length of the lever is 50" This results in a mechanical of 25-1, what I need to do is attach a motor to the long end of the lever to keep it moving around 100 times per minute. Any ideas would be welcome, The intent is to belt drive a 40 kw generator from  the crankshaft.
Yes it will work. I can move the lever by hand to get 50 rpms on the crankshaft with only 1-2 lbs of pressure on the lever, also 5 lbs of lift on the lever generates over 100 lbs of torque on the end of the crankshaft.

Hi rods

You seem to be well aware of what you are claiming!!!

Please see the link and help this poor guy who spent most of his saving in your Mechanical easy advantage idea. :'(
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXBebQzMyQ

jj
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 03, 2014, 09:39:11 PM
Hi rods

You seem to be well aware of what you are claiming!!!

Please see the link and help this poor guy who spent most of his saving in your Mechanical easy advantage idea. :'(
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmXBebQzMyQ

jj

I am amazed people keep building these things (and at such a large scale). Back to Archimedes,  3rd grade physics and I hate to do this, Bill Nye the Science Guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T7tGosXM58
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: rods on December 04, 2014, 11:58:39 AM
Seems there are more people here who are willing to fight against the idea of free energy than are willing to help. Wonder how many oil barons are trolling this site? The principal behind my idea is simply a lever moving at speed. I know it will work, have proved it already. only thing I haven't done yet is to apply a motor to the lever, I have an idea that maybe a pair of roller chanes powered by a small motor with a connector rod connected between them and to the lever might work, but I would rather try a linear motor if I could find one fast enough and with a 100% duty cycle.
I know that a system of pulleys will not power a generator, Pulleys can be used to reduce speed and increase torque, or increase speed and lessen torque. However I also know that a lever mounted properly can be used to increase torque. The machine is so simple that any backyard tinkerer  can make it. I have no intentions of making money from this machine, and when I get it running I plan to post plans and video here and on other sites. It means good bye to all current energy producers, oil, coal ect. Once perfected the device can be scaled down or up, 10 kw or multimegawatts is possible. In a 40 kw model it can be placed in a back yard and used to power a house and private garage. as a 500 kw model it would power an apartment building. No more weather related blackouts because no more transmission lines. In time someone will shorten the lever, install a larger motor, a 200kw generator and place it under the hood of a vehicle, because once started the generator can be made self running simply by switching the motor to run off the generator.
All the parts for 40kw are off the shelf and the entire build is less than $2000.00
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 04, 2014, 01:50:40 PM
Rods I am not sure I understand your idea. Do you have a PDF video picture plans etc.  Whatever it is you are thinking why not build it at a very small scale on your desk for $20 in a few hours versus $2000 in ???   If it doesnt work at a small scale it won't work at a large scale.  TinselKoala built a linear motor last week for free with photosensors and parts he had laying around.  I made one as well using a hall switch in about 5 minutes. You can buy a push solenoid and a spring for $2 .......

Build a small model and prove that Overunity does not exist.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: forest on December 04, 2014, 08:52:26 PM
Rods I am not sure I understand your idea. Do you have a PDF video picture plans etc.  Whatever it is you are thinking why not build it at a very small scale on your desk for $20 in a few hours versus $2000 in ???   If it doesnt work at a small scale it won't work at a large scale.  TinselKoala built a linear motor last week for free with photosensors and parts he had laying around.  I made one as well using a hall switch in about 5 minutes. You can buy a push solenoid and a spring for $2 .......

Build a small model and prove that Overunity does not exist.


You cannot prove something DOES NOT EXIST , like you cannot prove a theory is right, because a SINGLE contradition makes it wrong. I see many many devices pop up every day whih can be put into Overunity class
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 05, 2014, 03:11:54 AM
Rods I am not sure I understand your idea. Do you have a PDF video picture plans etc.  Whatever it is you are thinking why not build it at a very small scale on your desk for $20 in a few hours versus $2000 in ???   If it doesnt work at a small scale it won't work at a large scale.  TinselKoala built a linear motor last week for free with photosensors and parts he had laying around.  I made one as well using a hall switch in about 5 minutes. You can buy a push solenoid and a spring for $2 .......

Build a small model and prove that Overunity does not exist.


Ya! i believe you, overunity does not exist!  >:(
Ya!, i believe also the sun does not exist.


and i believe also that gravity and magnetic field are visible. :o


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 05, 2014, 03:57:22 AM
The bases of overunity is 1+1=3   I can prove this is incorrect.  If anyone believes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts they are sadly mistaken.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2014, 04:25:35 AM

You cannot prove something DOES NOT EXIST , like you cannot prove a theory is right, because a SINGLE contradition makes it wrong. I see many many devices pop up every day whih can be put into Overunity class

OK, name just one that has been independently tested and certified to be O.U. or at least replicated. Please do not post links to youtube faked videos that have already been proven to be faked.

Just one is all I ask.  If all of these devices are popping up every day then one should be easy to show us.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 05, 2014, 04:47:14 AM
The bases of overunity is 1+1=3   I can prove this is incorrect.  If anyone believes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts they are sadly mistaken.


Sorry bro but math cannot prove overunity, there are certain mysterious things that are very hard to explain but they are existing. :)
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 05, 2014, 04:49:12 AM
OK, name just one that has been independently tested and certified to be O.U. or at least replicated. Please do not post links to youtube faked videos that have already been proven to be faked.

Just one is all I ask.  If all of these devices are popping up every day then one should be easy to show us.

Bill


Sir how about tesla switch is it still not an evidence?. :)
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2014, 04:50:19 AM

Sir how about tesla switch is it still not an evidence?. :)

No.  Where is the proof?

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on December 05, 2014, 05:05:33 AM
No.  Where is the proof?

Bill


well, i thought that was obviously proven already. :D
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 05, 2014, 05:07:17 AM

well, i thought that was obviously proven already. :D

Think again.

Bill
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: forest on December 05, 2014, 07:40:18 AM
You can dispute overunity here, but anyway soon scientists will find it....they are catching up right now..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W5jaxKlgU&list=PLXBX9lLpBkP5gSw-TFnuvIto9nUS1REqv&index=8
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: rods on December 05, 2014, 12:08:01 PM
I'm not really too concerned about the many detractors here, many of them come off like minions of the big energy companies who stand to lose there positions if anybody does actually come up with a true alternative energy source.
For those who are asking for videos and pics of my lever powered machine. I will try to post some over the next month or so.Meantime here is a complete descerption.
The frame is built from 1"x 2" mild steel tubing and is 34" x 34" x 60", there is a cross tie top and bottom 10 " from one end. 4 angle iron uprights are welded to the cross ties, 2 are 12 " apart, 2 are 2" apart. On the 2 that are 2" apart I have 2 3/4" pillow block bearings, this is where the
fulcrum resides. The fulcrum is 3/4" round rod and runs through a hole in the lever 2" from the end.At the end of the lever is another piece of 3/4  round rod which serves as the upper axle for the connector rod. The connector rod has a 3/4x 2" sealed ball bearing attached to each end and is simply a piece of flatbar with a 2" pipe welded to each end which serves a the bearing holders. The other uprights have 2 2" pillow block bearings bolted on 8" lower than the 3/4" pillow blocks, this is where the crankshaft resides. The crank is built from 2" round rod 19" long, there is a 2" x 3/4" flatbar welded to one end of it with a 3/4" hole positioned 1.5" from dead center of the crank drilled through the 3/4" flatbar to contain the lower axle of the connector rod. Between the 2 large pillowblocks there is a 14"diameter by 1" thick flywheel mounted on the crankshaft. The total length of the lever is 52". One complete movement of the lever, top to bottom and return = one revolution on the crank with a ma of 25 to 1.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 05, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
You can dispute overunity here, but anyway soon scientists will find it....they are catching up right now..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2W5jaxKlgU&list=PLXBX9lLpBkP5gSw-TFnuvIto9nUS1REqv&index=8

I am certainly open to the concept we live in an electric universe . I am also open to harvesting the energy from an EU. We harvest and use energy all around us every day (Wind Solar ....) . but I do not believe we can create energy from nothing.

I can build a graphene SWAG collector or an osmotic membrane bu I am just collecting a small amount of voltage from the potential difference in salt water versus fresh water and not actually creating energy.  At some point we will get better at developing new types of membranes to harvest this energy but for now it is not economically viable. 
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Nink on December 05, 2014, 06:41:26 PM
For those who are asking for videos and pics of my lever powered machine. I will try to post some over the next month or so.

Picture would be good, difficult to visualize from your description I tried to draw based on what you wrote but..... I am sure someone could build a small scale version and test if they had some photos..
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: DaS Energy on December 12, 2014, 06:26:09 PM

As yet untested in its final design, it appears OverUnity is possible.

The basis for this any turbine that is 82% efficient will convert one litre per second of 9 bar force flow into 720 watts, such known turbines being the Francis and Pelton. Either turbine receiving one litre per second at 9,000 bar force shall produce 720KW.

It is also known that Carbon Dioxide-CO2 rising in temperature from +30*C to +100*C has a pressure force exceeding 9,000 bar.

Carbon Dioxide- CO2 at temperatures becomes a Supercritical fluid, IE a gas behaving as if its liquid.

It is known that Carbon Dioxide-CO2 passaging through water shall take on the waters temperature.

To heat one litre of water by +100C in one second requires 456KW, or 0.076KW to heat the one litre of water by +1*C in one minute, or 4.56KW to heat the one litre of water by +1*C in one second.

By passaging the CO2 through the +100*C water so the CO2 heats up from +30*C to +100*C in one second, the 9,000 bar for per litre per second is achieved.
 
What is not known is will the turbines produce the same conversion rates running on CO2 as they do on water.

However should they not be able to convert the 9,000 bar one litre per second to 720KW then the conversion method needs to use the open technology DaS Valve which 100% converts gas pressure to water pressure.
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: sarkeizen on December 12, 2014, 08:01:10 PM
I'm not really too concerned about the many detractors here, many of them come off like minions of the big energy companies who stand to lose there positions if anybody does actually come up with a true alternative energy source.
This almost deserves a topic in and of itself.  So do people really believe that there are people here who are paid by energy companies to post?  Seriously?
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Vinyasi on November 25, 2022, 11:04:09 PM
Overunity is impossible , that's a fact . However this doesn't mean free energy is impossible, and it even doesn't mean free energy with amplification is impossible. You can test it yourself, but it's not recommended.... for example solar panel can be have rised power output if you use a lens to focus more sun rays on it.

And Joseph Newman's device got a kick in the pants, so to speak, when Byron Brubaker advised him to replace his rotary permanent magnets with plastic canisters of helium wrapped with an open coil to take advantage of the voltage doubling occurring within Newman's humungous coil. The open coil transferred the electrostatic field of Newman's massive coil into the helium gas. This excited this noble gas and caused it to emit a very high frequency -- much higher than the low frequency of the rotating canisters.

This higher frequency blended with the lower frequency. The result was a quickening of electrical reactance sufficient enough to reverse current and return it to its source, his dry cell batteries, with an amperage of a few hundred milliamperes. Yet, it was the humungous torque provided by the massive coil which was the true overunity of his device since it could easily rotate a sump pump and, against the inertial friction of the water, pump massive gallons per minute with the added advantage of never depleting his battery source! Unfortunately, he did wear them out since they were not designed to be recharged. So, Byron suggested to Newman to replace those dry cell batteries with a solar panel, but Newman refused to take Byron's advice. Oh, well ...

Please see ...

https://www.quora.com/Has-anyone-tried-to-recreate-Joseph-Newmans-perpetual-motion-machine/answer/Vin-Yasi (https://www.quora.com/Has-anyone-tried-to-recreate-Joseph-Newmans-perpetual-motion-machine/answer/Vin-Yasi)

and ...

http://
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Vinyasi on November 25, 2022, 11:05:20 PM
The bases of overunity is 1+1=3   I can prove this is incorrect.  If anyone believes the whole is greater than the sum of the parts they are sadly mistaken.

Consider the following example in which the whole is less than the absolute value of one of its parts ...

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Anomalous_Kirchhoff_Behavior (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Anomalous_Kirchhoff_Behavior)
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Vinyasi on November 25, 2022, 11:11:07 PM
Yes you read the title correctly, OverUnity does not exist, and it never will.

NINK

Please see ...

https://overunity.com/6310/free-energy-and-overunity-we-need-a-definition/msg571922/#msg571922 (https://overunity.com/6310/free-energy-and-overunity-we-need-a-definition/msg571922/#msg571922)
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: stivep on November 26, 2022, 12:21:03 AM
I agree with you 100%
We all know it - nothing new
free energy- is energy for free , at no expense and it exists,
overunity doesn't exist,

so title of this form is just the title
like somebody's name is Greta and one needs to find who is this Greta
and what is she about?

overunity forum contains curious minds from total dilettantes to scientists.

Wesley
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: stivep on November 26, 2022, 04:45:24 PM
"//" - means shortcut  in text.

Please see ...
https://overunity.com/6310/free-energy-and-overunity-we-need-a-definition/msg571922/#msg571922 (https://overunity.com/6310/free-energy-and-overunity-we-need-a-definition/msg571922/#msg571922)
Fallowing this link  that takes me to situation where:
// cannot balance if the real portion of input is reduced to // (nano or pico watts) and no exit is allowed  // the formation of the normal orientation of the flow of current.

fallowed by:
The model// I conjure // an open transmission line // one of its terminals is  shorted transmission line (a closed loop). The open line sets the stage for the reversal of current which will manifest within the shorted transmission line. And if there is any energy available, nearby, for stealing, then this architecture will steal it. But, if there is no energy, nearby, then this architecture will manifest its own negative watts from its catalytic condition of starvation and constriction of movement.
fallowed by explanation:
The conventional view is that current will be in alignment with voltage, more or less, not greater than plus or minus 90 degrees of temporal angular displacement between the two. But my non-conventional view induces coils to become generators rather than consumers since current is *forced* to become inverted to voltage.
fallowed by statement:
Under the weird conditions which I am proposing, current *must invert itself* to head for the only exit. This will be through the same portal through which it came in since no other portal (of inlet or exit) is provided by design.
supported by:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oscillations_of_Radiant_Energy_due_to_throwing_away_most_of_the_input..png (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Oscillations_of_Radiant_Energy_due_to_throwing_away_most_of_the_input..png)

... which is very similar to ...

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_wireless_power_theory_-_Electrical_Experimenter_Feb_1919.png (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_wireless_power_theory_-_Electrical_Experimenter_Feb_1919.png)

and explanation of  this statement by:
Forget, for the moment, of reactance//
 Under // conditions, when // the real input continues to shrink and the imaginary portion becomes a negative value and accumulates // negative watts within passive coils (not being rotated; just sitting there). The complex portion continues to just "hang around" until it gets its chance to generate more negative watts while the real input continues to thermodynamically shrink (due to various resistances acting against that real input of power) and the complex portion continues to be retained in abeyance until the next cycle of oscillation does something with it.

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Block_Diagram (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Block_Diagram)

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#A_Low_Input_Power (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#A_Low_Input_Power)

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Voltage_Drop (https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Free_Energy_does_not_Exist#Voltage_Drop)

Uh.
few hours of reading and analyzing.
instead of discussing all of it , we concentrate just on transmission line;
I assume, if one element is proved as "overunity" that is plenty enough for us
to serve  a proof of "overunity"
___________________________________________
I understand that you talking about:
- transmission line having few outputs were one of the outputs is shorted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_line)

if we are talking about RF than:
A transmission line is a pair of conductors used to deliver energy in the form of an electromagnetic field.
look at chapter titled: what is transmission line here:  https://resources.altium.com/p/transmission-lines-and-terminations-in-high-speed-design (https://resources.altium.com/p/transmission-lines-and-terminations-in-high-speed-design)
The most common form of degradation is reflections of part of the signal (energy) at impedance mismatches. Ideally, Zout = Zo = Zload resulting in no reflections
-please look at termination of transmission line section in this article



it is not important it is shorted or open. it will behave the same
with the only difference of Phase reversal
https://www.daenotes.com/electronics/communication-system/short-circuited-transmission-line (https://www.daenotes.com/electronics/communication-system/short-circuited-transmission-line)
https://www.daenotes.com/electronics/communication-system/open-circuited-transmission-line (https://www.daenotes.com/electronics/communication-system/open-circuited-transmission-line#:~:text=As%20shown%20in%20the%20diagram%2C%20that%20at%20%CE%BB%2F4,the%20voltage%20is%20minimum%20and%20current%20is%20maximum.)

I assume you projecting transmission line having few outputs were some of them can be shorted:
this problem was also discussed here:https://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/transmission-lines-and-phase.82549/
but unfortunately by nonprofessionals.

______________________________________________________

Conclusion:

transmission line has input and output or outputs.
SWR or VSWR  ratio between transmitted and reflected voltage standing waves   is explained here:
https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/technical-documents/tutorials/5/5432.html (https://www.maximintegrated.com/en/design/technical-documents/tutorials/5/5432.html)

an axiom : energy at input is always higher than in its output.
Energy at output plus losses is always equal to energy and input.
an axiom : energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
an axiom : energy can only change its form. In the universe as a system
it is never increased or decreased.

 but: one impulse 10V/1A at input of the water valve on the pipe
connected to the river makes constant delivery of water for free= free energy

Free energy is proven and exists
"overunity"   is not proven and it doesn't exist

Refrigerators were often used as a proof of overunity
https://www.overunity.com/3941/heat-pump-refrigeration-can-same-overunity-concept-apply-to-eletronics/ (https://www.overunity.com/3941/heat-pump-refrigeration-can-same-overunity-concept-apply-to-eletronics/)
where people were looking at a heat pump but not at the overall equation of energy exchange.


it is not important what is going on in your house
But at first you need to have a house for that.
The "outside" of your house we have just elements of unity.
and system made from elements of unity doesn't change if viewed from outside of it,

Wesley
Title: Re: OverUnity Does Not Exist!
Post by: Vinyasi on May 17, 2023, 03:38:37 AM
It does exist as reported by ...
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324978006_Low_Frequency_Oscillations_in_Indian_Grid (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324978006_Low_Frequency_Oscillations_in_Indian_Grid)