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Author Topic: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues  (Read 26536 times)

Offline AB Hammer

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2014, 03:54:20 PM »
Norman

 Even though the old design I posted does not work as is. One may see way it may be able to work. Thus there is something to learn from it. The main reason for posting, is to show different dynamics of how scissor jacks can be used.  I use scissor jacks in some of what I design and others I use slides, swings and shifts.  I will be showing some of them soon. As for Bessler I am also a believer in his success and pay attention to what he wrote.  There is a lot to consider as well. Will we ever build Bessler's wheel or are we finding ways to make a runner from our belief in Bessler's work. There will be no way to say that it would be Bessler's wheel but we will be able to say a Bessler like wheel for we do not have the exact design to go by or we would of had it hundreds of years ago. But we can think that this might be what Bessler saw or did.


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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2014, 05:48:55 PM »
well from what i know about bessler your on the money with that one Norman as a matter of fact it never cuts through the Axel at any point the mechanism's and weights  form a elliptical path around the axle as they move around it, and from what i can see the rim weights begin to lift at about
5 o'clock stay in that position held by the peg till reaches between 1 and 2 o'clock then the peg drops off, but here is the trick it could not happen if the springs did not play there part friction and centripetal force would not allow the peg to disengage, the rear counter weights throw it forward to the rim of the wheel with a thud which i expect is the imputes it picks up to continue rotating and gravity takes over.

Actually as i write this it just occurs to me i know where the extra force comes now, gravity creates an event going down the mechanism converts it to a equal and o posit  right angle force to the wheel adding to the rotation don't know if i explained it well but my head can visualize it.
But i still think that with out the pendulum to govern the speed Bessler's wheel would lock up and not keep going time plays an important roll when you are converting gravity.

Domenic


Thanks for the links. I have read it some time ago but it helps to refresh. As for the peacok our solar system looks also as peacok from front or side view. He kept repeating parallels between interstellar (have you seen the movie?) pertpetual motion and his machine. Only that planets stay on their orbit because of their speed and sun gravity. And there is no universal gravity keep it all going. I still wonder how weights moving on eliptical paths around axis can produce something usefull. We may never know, but who knows, maybe ... As for Bessler I hope God showed great mercifulness at his judgment day for such a great git wasted, if true of course.


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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2014, 09:05:54 PM »
thanks guys all i can say is i found something that gives me more of a clue what was under that canvas than most ,  you might believe this or you might not that's up to you, frow me on the pile with the other 1000's that thought they had the answer, but  every passage i read referring to him only confirm what i know, I haven't found anything that doesn't fit.
that doesn't mean i have all the answers or that it will even work, he was a very cryptic man with something to hide, as we all know if it pans out i will eventually share it all but it is like a story unfolding and some things i have to return to time and again to finally understand  it.

But i will stick by what i said that they are not all giving accurate information on Bessler some is there to mislead you, eg:     
Apologia Poetica these these lines are Hardley ever shown

Poltergeists wander freely through locked doors.

But softly! - speak softly of all these marvels,                                   
 lest the enemy grows wise!  He will drench me with his spittle                     
 so that I will lose my temper and in a sudden fit,                                 
 cast aside the mantle that conceals my wheel.                                       
 But he shall be thwarted in his desires.



there are omissions changed facts all sorts of things and so many people steering people in the wrong directions to waist there times.
My aim is to replicate his work not to reinvent it or make it out to be my own work, so i am searching with a fine tooth comb through everything and anything i can find on him and it is not easy with so much incomplete and inaccurate information around.
« Last Edit: December 04, 2014, 04:03:31 AM by dom444 »

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2014, 11:41:54 PM »
 I have just found this on    http://orffyre.tripod.com/id41.html   seems i am not the only one that thinks this way.       









In Orffyreus’ times, his enemies as well as many others, regarded the whole story as a gigantic fraud. But, in present time also, there is no end to disbelievers and their strange doubts.  Vague and false evaluations of Orffyreus’ remarkable work still go on without shame. There are plots and attempts to discredit the inventor.
 
We have large number of books, websites, and articles that either undermine great discovery of Orffyreus or carry miserable misinterpretations of his invention. Web is also littered with many articles about the same.   For paucity of space and time, it would not possible to go into details and quote every work that is in grave error. To show how Orffyreus devotees have indulged in grotesque interpretation of his wheel and everything he did in his lifetime, here, I will only select and comment on the works of few the authors namely, Ord-Hume, J. Collins, Alden E. Park. Alfred Evert, and Jain Rutowsky. 

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2014, 12:48:30 AM »
dom444

 Yes there are a lot of people who think Bessler was a fraud. But!! when one of us display a gravity only powered wheel it will help clear Bessler's name as well.


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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2014, 02:06:06 AM »
I would be a bit careful about how it is reveled if we do find it there is a lot more at stake than most think and there is a lot more power political influence and danger as well as money involved in showing it than most would know, if it works
 there will be an avalanche of detractors and people wanting to hide it at the highest level.

for gods sake don't go down the patent office

  bessler's first line of his Apologia Poetica

"Greed is an evil root."            and have it taken  from us again                read this            http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm

And on a further note if it was proven to work mainstream science will reclassify what perpetual motion means yet again, to disqualify any machine that would work, to keep the scientific community's reputation intact.
my view on perpetual motion and what it means is simply this, its the motion that's perpetual not the device doing it, the dives can wear out over time but the minute you you build the same movement in the same  way it still works the same  so the motion is perpetual.

                                                         
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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2014, 05:01:56 AM »
this is my theory on Bessler's wheel



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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2014, 09:20:08 AM »
A quick sketch to show my idea how to achieve dom444 theory using spur gears. Also, switching sides of the eccentric weight in order to unbalance the wheel  is made horizontally, so a less effort is needed to move it from left to right.

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2014, 09:47:34 AM »
That is on the right track only thing is it has to be done in two opposing assembly's that forces the top  to be put out balance in relation to the  other, from what i can understand of Bessler it is almost a catapulting action when it hits the top,  but i don't think Besslers wheel is by any means the only way to achieve this, if we can get one to work right, it can be improved on for sure.

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2014, 10:17:58 AM »
I would be a bit careful about how it is reveled if we do find it there is a lot more at stake than most think and there is a lot more power political influence and danger as well as money involved in showing it than most would know, if it works
 there will be an avalanche of detractors and people wanting to hide it at the highest level.

for gods sake don't go down the patent office

  bessler's first line of his Apologia Poetica

"Greed is an evil root."            and have it taken  from us again                read this            http://panacea-bocaf.org/patentoffice.htm

And on a further note if it was proven to work mainstream science will reclassify what perpetual motion means yet again, to disqualify any machine that would work, to keep the scientific community's reputation intact.
my view on perpetual motion and what it means is simply this, its the motion that's perpetual not the device doing it, the dives can wear out over time but the minute you you build the same movement in the same  way it still works the same  so the motion is perpetual.

                                                         


Thank you, dom, for such a greatly informative post.

The link provided some bits of important information that I had not been aware of until now.


respectfully
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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2014, 12:02:15 PM »
I wonder if something along this line would work  do you think ;D 

if someone likes it would be good to get a proper model of this movement plotted going around the wheel with the center on the inside leg where my hand was not the outside it must be on the outside of the axle at all times i don't have time for computer models can build it in less time.

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2014, 01:35:16 PM »
Dominic, make a couple drawings in the sequence of positions and then step back to see where the CG of the mass is and you'll probably see its above the axle....I'll do that later today myself.
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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2014, 01:40:04 PM »
thanks Norman but i know that already a cake doesn't have one ingredient i am going somewhere with this it is not the whole thing by any means there is more to it... ;)
as i said before i don't have the whole thing but i have drawn it out on paper and looks good promising but lots to be worked out as simple as it is like the optimum counter weights to lift the end weight for example Bessler calls them very heavy weights, also the length of the extending rod and the end weight. for the moment i just want about 6 or 7 weight positions on the perimeter to plot the travel i know how it goes myself.

Domenic

P.S  any way don't you want to meet Besslers little children...lol

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2014, 12:53:56 AM »
in regards to my theory picture i put up.... seems some one might agree with me


Isaac Newton views on perpetual motion


Interestingly, Sir Isaac Newton, the man who quantified the laws of motion, did not dismiss the possibility of this problem being solved. He thought it might be possible in one of two ways; that rays of gravity might be stopped by either reflection or refraction; that gravity could potentially become a visible and viable force if broken open; diverted or deflected from its usual path.

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Re: Johann E. E. Bessler and his clues
« Reply #44 on: December 06, 2014, 06:28:57 AM »
another find tells me i am on the right track don't you think and if about now you can't see it something wrong.

question what is one hand on and the other hand holding

 

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