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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #60 on: December 09, 2014, 01:21:17 AM »
You mean the "inventor" THINKS it should work, but of course it does not.

Come on people, these buoyancy drives are nothing new, they have been completely and rigorously analyzed for years, and yet every once in a while somebody thinks he's invented a new one, when he really hasn't. No working model of any such drive has ever been produced.

Here it is again. You will note that the devices shown and analyzed in this link are functionally _identical_ to what is described in that patent application link.
https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/buoyant.htm

Or rather... non-functionally identical, since they do not function, and of course neither does the one in the patent app. link.

Seriously... why are you wasting your time with this stuff? The arrogant Quinn's device, as I have hopefully proven to you, will not function except on the stored energy of the water column which is soon depleted. And it is just as easy to refute the rest of the "buoyancy drive" and "gravity drive" devices once you get down to the actual mathematics involved.

If you want to do some experiments that show otherwise, please go ahead, but be sure to report your _negative results_ honestly as well as any positive results you get. The reason you don't hear of all the failures is because people don't want to report them... hence the perpetuation of the belief that someday one of the same-old-same-old ideas will suddenly start working. But they won't.

For beginners , I understand i did not show displacement, and many housewives and children were confuse also, so a slight variation was drawn up to show it in simple form, I did not think i had to describe every nut and bolt, but this should suffice, save anyone who thinks periscopes lift oceans or submarine do not equalize pressure for divers, or that falling objects do not create energy. I think I am done on this now. here is free energy for beginners

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #61 on: December 09, 2014, 02:40:26 AM »
For beginners , I understand i did not show displacement, and many housewives and children were confuse also, so a slight variation was drawn up to show it in simple form, I did not think i had to describe every nut and bolt, but this should suffice, save anyone who thinks periscopes lift oceans or submarine do not equalize pressure for divers, or that falling objects do not create energy. I think I am done on this now. here is free energy for beginners
Your machine does not work as you describe it for reasons that at least three people here have already explained. Feel free to address these correct explanations either in theory or practice.  Alternatively, you can as you have in the past simply proclaim that your unworkable scheme works.  That's Wayne Travis' approach.  Ask him how his buoyancy drives: The ZED, the TAZ, the rotary TAZ have managed to fare against objective proof of concept tests.

The facts:

Your float cannot rise until you first fill your tower with water.
Each time your float rises it is because an equal volume of water falls by the same distance.
The water is more dense than the float.
Hence the energy loss in the water exceeds the energy gain in the float.
The energy that can be reclaimed by dropping the float is no more than that gained by lifting the float, which is less than the energy lost by the water column each time the float is lifted.
Ergo the system loses energy each cycle. 
Ergo your scheme is a bust.
QED.


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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #62 on: December 09, 2014, 02:40:50 AM »
And all these magic rams moving water against a pressure head, and doors that open without letting water pass, and valves that work when you want them to, they all operate without anyone doing any work.... Just like Archer "Give me money" Quinn. How much work did you put in to fill up your 120 meter tall water tower?
Answer: none at all, since it all happens by magic, in your dreams.

You're an utter failure, Archer, and that is why you cannot demonstrate anything except your squeaky pretend-voice and ten minutes of waving your magic wand around.

And you never answered my question: What happened to the Sword of God gravity-magnet wheel that you utterly FAILED to demonstrate, after taking money and magnets from people all those years ago, before you faded away into the outback?


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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
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Offline The Eskimo Quinn

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #63 on: December 09, 2014, 08:10:32 AM »
Being validated as we speak, no human can "Not" do this at home with a small glass jar in a bucket of water. It is over. and this is the third machine all different physics, number 4 is one its way with another physics application.

NO ONE ON EARTH CANNOT DO THIS AT HOME

as per usual will be no comments read or written by the author except the validation note from the engineers not that this needs it

Being put into 3d cad simulation as we speak, this should make it easier.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #64 on: December 09, 2014, 09:33:30 AM »
This can be solved on the back of a napkin.  No complex CAD calculations are necessary to establish without any doubt the already proven complete futility of your scheme:


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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #65 on: December 09, 2014, 11:37:52 AM »
What a joke! Quinn states in his image above that a "periscope" extended up from a submarine displaces the water around it, but doesn't "lift" any water. How silly can you get? Anyone who has ever taken a bath can tell you what's wrong with that claim. But of course that leaves Archer Quinn out, doesn't it. If your ocean is big enough you can just ignore the fact that the periscope is lifting water, can't you? If you are Archer Quinn, you can.

MarkE, your diagram doesn't include the magic "rams" that can force water out of a submerged chamber into another chamber full of water without doing any work against the pressure, nor does it include the magic doors which let solid objects through without letting any water pass, nor does it include the "disappearing water" that goes through the little hole to equalize pressure and then magically vanishes, only to reappear at the top of the tall water column, also without requiring work. And your floater displaces water! While Quinn's obviously does not, it simply floats up through the water without affecting it at all. When your floater is removed from the top of the tall chamber, your water level is now one floater's height lower, because you have not waved your magic wand, like Archer Quinn did in that silly video!

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #66 on: December 09, 2014, 01:44:30 PM »
What a joke! Quinn states in his image above that a "periscope" extended up from a submarine displaces the water around it, but doesn't "lift" any water. How silly can you get? Anyone who has ever taken a bath can tell you what's wrong with that claim. But of course that leaves Archer Quinn out, doesn't it. If your ocean is big enough you can just ignore the fact that the periscope is lifting water, can't you? If you are Archer Quinn, you can.

MarkE, your diagram doesn't include the magic "rams" that can force water out of a submerged chamber into another chamber full of water without doing any work against the pressure, nor does it include the magic doors which let solid objects through without letting any water pass, nor does it include the "disappearing water" that goes through the little hole to equalize pressure and then magically vanishes, only to reappear at the top of the tall water column, also without requiring work. And your floater displaces water! While Quinn's obviously does not, it simply floats up through the water without affecting it at all. When your floater is removed from the top of the tall chamber, your water level is now one floater's height lower, because you have not waved your magic wand, like Archer Quinn did in that silly video!
Magic is always an extra option.  Mr. Quinn is free to try and argue how his scheme can buoy a float upward without replacing the the float's volume with the buoying fluid.  It could be fun to see him try and do that.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
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Offline Floor

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #67 on: December 09, 2014, 07:09:16 PM »
Of course the water in the ocean is lifted when a submerged sub. extends it's telescope.
It is equal to volume of the telescope extension, spread over the entire surface of the container
holding the fluid and the sub..  Does this raise the pressure on the hull of the sub ?
YES,  but it's utterly insignificant when the container is as broad as an ocean ! The amount of rise is
so small that it is  practically immeasurable at this scale of proportion.  The wider the container the
less the effect of the the rise.

Attached is PDF file it contains a greatly improved version of a "magic door" on the last page
of the file

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2014, 07:11:43 PM »
I read the document and the bad news still applies.

In this case can you please elaborate and explain why the machine is not going to work.
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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #68 on: December 09, 2014, 07:11:43 PM »
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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #69 on: December 09, 2014, 07:12:11 PM »
Addendum

The floater does not need to be hollow.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #70 on: December 09, 2014, 07:24:29 PM »
Please for the sake of all that is holy let this man alone. I believe he has never failed to access yet untapped energy because he has never actually tried. Stop encouraging him by acknowledging his existence.

I will bite my tongue and do penance if I end up being wrong and the almighty quinn is actually the vicar of unseen energy itself and it just so happens to be an utter asshole about it.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #71 on: December 09, 2014, 07:25:36 PM »
In this case can you please elaborate and explain why the machine is not going to work.
Regards


It has been explained several times please read back through the answers and don't just blot out of your mind the stuff you don't want to exist.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #72 on: December 09, 2014, 07:28:34 PM »
Even with a solar assist for the volumetric displacement mechanism(the thing that would make your hollow rock go up and down) you would be better of just using the solar power for your needs. I tried to make one of these when i was 16. Then I learned big boy physics. Quinn your a piece shit jesus or just admit your a kid who doesn't understand what things cost yet.

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Re: 3rd working machine you gandmother could make _2nd Law crushed
« Reply #73 on: December 09, 2014, 07:39:44 PM »

It has been explained several times please read back through the answers and don't just blot out of your mind the stuff you don't want to exist.

- David

Not it hasn't. Please provide at least one explanation.
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« Reply #74 on: December 09, 2014, 07:58:02 PM »
Ok as you wish. This is a respectful application of logic for your benefit. Quinns general theory is that buoyancy gives you access to excess forces on an object which seems true until you factor in the definition of buoyancy. Buoyancy: an upward force exerted by a fluid that opposes the weight of an immersed object. So, how does this happen? Relative Density per unit of area! IS MERCURY A FREE ENRGY DEVICE WHEN IT FLOATS A ROCK WITHOUT A GAS CASING?

 

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