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memoryman

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Re: Let the Speculation Begin
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2014, 08:04:34 PM »
CNC machines can work on just about ANY material. I have been involved in all aspects of CNC since the mid 70s.

MarkE

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« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2014, 08:21:52 PM »
CNC machines can work on just about ANY material. I have been involved in all aspects of CNC since the mid 70s.
Ya think?  Long before they became NC and later CNC, mills and lathes have been used on virtually any solid material.  Cap-Z-Ro has got some funny ideas.

Pirate88179

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« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2014, 09:10:44 PM »
We used CNC machines for machining ceramic materials, much harder than any steel, and we used diamond tooling to do so.  This was back in the 80's so, I have no idea where Cap is getting info that he thinks is correct. Ceramics are 9+ on the Moh's scale of relative harness whereas steel is about 6.5 or maybe even 7 in some cases.  Diamond, of course, is 10.

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Cap-Z-ro

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« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2014, 09:28:13 PM »
Cap merely went by what Adams' article intimated linked below...

"The CNC router we've chosen for this project, by the way, has a 3 HP router capable of producing complex 3D shapes from blocks of plastic, wood or aluminum. CNC routers are the opposite of 3D printers: they remove material from blocks of wood or plastic, leaving behind the precise shape that you want. "

http://www.naturalnews.com/047756_Health_Ranger_3D_printing_invention_for_humanity.html

Unknot your shorts everyone.



Wood is too easily distorted by water, plastic and alum have undesirable properties that leech into water...some forum trolls have some pretty funny motivations.

Regards...


memoryman

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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2014, 12:33:18 AM »
Not to mention: lasers, punch presses, plasma and waterjet cutters, welders etc.

MarkE

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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2014, 03:38:52 PM »
Cap merely went by what Adams' article intimated linked below...

"The CNC router we've chosen for this project, by the way, has a 3 HP router capable of producing complex 3D shapes from blocks of plastic, wood or aluminum. CNC routers are the opposite of 3D printers: they remove material from blocks of wood or plastic, leaving behind the precise shape that you want. "

http://www.naturalnews.com/047756_Health_Ranger_3D_printing_invention_for_humanity.html

Unknot your shorts everyone.



Wood is too easily distorted by water, plastic and alum have undesirable properties that leech into water...some forum trolls have some pretty funny motivations.

Regards...
Cap, wrong is wrong.  First you interpreted the affirmative statement by Adams of materials that he works with as an all inclusive statement of what any CNC gear can work on.  Amending your statement to say that Adams' equipment can't work on materials other than he mentioned is not supported by any fact.  Adams may choose not to work with harder metals for the simple reason that it takes longer to machine and wears bits faster.

As to materials for holding and transporting water, you are again wrong.  Hardwoods can and have been used for centuries for water passages and containers.  Wood resists bacterial growth.  Certain plastics leach unhealthy chemicals into water, others do not.  PET is safe by itself, but is not a hard plastic.  The problems with water bottles have been with hard plastics.  You can check with the Natural Resources Defense Council.  Aluminum in contact with water forms a layer of AlO3 that stops further interaction with the water.  Aluminum can leach when the water is either too salty or too acidic.  It would not be a first choice for acidic substances such as fruit juice.  But for water with a pH of 7-9, leach rates are negligible. 

And finally no matter what your opinion or someone else's may be of the suitability of a particular material for conveying or holding water, it is only Adams opinion that would influence what he might and might not use.

You take leave to call others trolls, but the statements not based on fact are coming from you.

Cap-Z-ro

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2014, 05:54:33 PM »
|Again to clear up the intentional confusion...wood warps plastic leeches toxins(unless hemp based) and alum  is unhealthy.

The CNC issue is a belabored moot point of distraction.

To get back on the real topic...any guesses as to what Adams is up to ?

Regards...


TinselKoala

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2014, 06:00:56 PM »

Cap-Z-ro

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Re: Let the Speculation Begin
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2014, 06:59:32 PM »
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4066726



Here is a excerpt from that site...

"The polymer implants exhibited a mild tissue reaction..."

This type of "plastic" is likely the same as that used in hernia reinforcement...which turned toxic and had to be removed from those who survived the toxic shock manifestations.

This will be my last off topic response to master baiters here.

Moving forward.

Regards...


 

MarkE

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Re: Let the Speculation Begin
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2014, 07:11:19 PM »


Here is a excerpt from that site...

"The polymer implants exhibited a mild tissue reaction..."

This type of "plastic" is likely the same as that used in hernia reinforcement...which turned toxic and had to be removed from those who survived the toxic shock manifestations.

This will be my last off topic response to master baiters here.

Moving forward.

Regards...
Could you be any more disingenuous?  Let's see the complete quote that you chose to truncate:

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The polymer implants exhibited a mild tissue reaction with the same characteristics as the control. Local tumor formation, bone osteolysis, and surrounding muscle necrosis were not seen. No pathological changes compatible with systemic toxicity by Delrin 150 were observed in the study of the organs. Delrin 150 in solid form did not exhibit local or systemic toxicity and is therefore biocompatible by this study. Powder implantation studies should be performed to simulate tissue response to wear particles.

The control was 316 stainless steel. 

MarkE

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2014, 07:12:40 PM »
|Again to clear up the intentional confusion...wood warps plastic leeches toxins(unless hemp based) and alum  is unhealthy.

The CNC issue is a belabored moot point of distraction.

To get back on the real topic...any guesses as to what Adams is up to ?

Regards...
You continue to make claims without support that have been refuted.

Cap-Z-ro

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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2014, 08:25:32 PM »
This is a relentless troll we have here...but then thats what he's paid for.

What the troll conveniently leaves out is that the "test" was conducted in 1985...it just takes a while before the plastic turned toxic.

Just as it took a few years before he turned toxic to humans.

Stainless steel is not used in the body either, they use titanium...perhaps the resident "expert" will explain why if you ask...but i highly doubt it.

Regards...


TinselKoala

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Re: Let the Speculation Begin
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2014, 10:22:59 PM »
This is a relentless troll we have here...but then thats what he's paid for.
You can provide no evidence for your false, lying assertion that anyone here is being "paid" for anything they post.
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What the troll conveniently leaves out is that the "test" was conducted in 1985...it just takes a while before the plastic turned toxic.
Go ahead, provide some reference for your assertion that implanted Delrin becomes toxic. You cannot.
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Just as it took a few years before he turned toxic to humans.

Stainless steel is not used in the body either, they use titanium...perhaps the resident "expert" will explain why if you ask...but i highly doubt it.

Regards...

There are lots of people running around with stainless steel implants. What I "highly doubt" is that you can provide any credible references for your assertions.
However I do not hesitate to provide references for mine.
http://orthopedics.about.com/od/hipkneereplacement/a/implants.htm

Cap-Z-ro

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2014, 10:37:39 PM »
Quote from the linked "reference"...

" These are general statements about the different implants; if you have specific questions about a particular implant you must discuss this with your doctor! "

Additionally, plastics and cements used to secure the implants in place are considered a necessary evil...and nobody in their right mind would needlessly put them into the human body...well apparently a few airheads here would readily advise you to do so.

Implants happen to be included in my scope of practice, but hey, what do I know compared to the vast wide ranging knowledge displayed here on a daily basis by the google twins ?

End of my responses to the tag team troll brigade.

Regards...


MarkE

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Re: Let the Speculation Begin
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2014, 11:35:22 PM »
This is a relentless troll we have here...but then thats what he's paid for.

What the troll conveniently leaves out is that the "test" was conducted in 1985...it just takes a while before the plastic turned toxic.

Just as it took a few years before he turned toxic to humans.

Stainless steel is not used in the body either, they use titanium...perhaps the resident "expert" will explain why if you ask...but i highly doubt it.

Regards...
LOL, you're making a fast descent now Cap.  First you truncated a statement in such a way that gave an impression that is diametrically opposed to the authors' actual statement.  Now, with your overt distortion exposed, you switch to trying to discredit the reference you had just "quoted".  And to seal the deal you cast false charges against other posters claiming they are paid agents.  Naturally, you have no actual reliable evidence to support such allegations. 

If you wish to challenge the authors' choice of 316 SS as a valid control, then all you have to do is come up with some reliable study that shows that 316 SS is moderately or highly toxic.