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Title: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Zephir on November 23, 2014, 05:13:06 AM
The problem with replication of existing overunity devices is, they're inherent complex. But for to have effective generator of free energy, its COP must be sufficiently high. Which means, that the overunity principle should be demonstrable even in simple arrangement, despite of its low efficiency - in similar way, like the classical motors (some of which can be constructed of few magnets and wires).

The simple enough device should also have simple robust enough principle of its functioning - there is no place for complex theories and models, which are depending on rare combination of conditions and which are obfuscating principle rather than explaining it. In alternative physics the Einstein's simplicity criterion: "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough" applies more than everywhere else.

As a proponent of dense aether model I do presume, that the behavior of vacuum doesn't differ from any other matter - this matter just forms the space, in which we are swimming like fishes. The density fluctuations of the vacuum are analogous to Brownian noise in water and the do manifest itself with Zero Point Energy, quantum uncertainty and fuziness. They're also serving as a potential source of energy for overunity devices. They can be utilized with negentropic devices, which are working as so-called Maxwell's demon.

The negentropic devices violate the classical thermodynamics, which is why they cannot utilize classical thermodynamical systems, which are always reversible by their very definition. This is because on the principle of reversibility the thermodynamical laws are working. So for to construct the overunity device and to break the laws of thermodynamics, you should always utilize some temporal metastable state, like the overheating, overcooling in cycles. Even the magnetic domains within ferromagnetics exhibit such a state, which is called magnetic viscosity and which is manifesting itself with hysteresis during magnetization and with Barkhausen noise ( This effect means, the orientation of magnetic domains doesn't follow the direction of magnetic field in reversible way - but just after small delay, during which these domains keep the excess of energy inside of material like atoms in laser.

Such a metastable state is able to utilize the thermal energy of vacuum fluctuations, after then. The thermal fluctuations are ruining the metastable state of material like the house of cards collapsed with random vibrations. Such a house of cards may be temporally stable, because the energy fluctuations aren't fully homogeneous, but they do follow statistical distribution and there exist a "colder" and "hotter" places within material, which are forming spontaneously and recombine back again. Once some hotter place reaches the weakest point of house of cards, it will ruin it and such a hotter place will not recombine with cold rest of house anymore.  Only the cold ruins is, what will remain here.

In this moment the energy of vacuum fluctuations has been utilized for destruction of metastable state within material and the material has been cooled at the price. We can say, the house of cards or magnetic domains served as a Maxwell demon of its weak kind: it didn't help us separate the hot and cold fluctuations, but it still managed to utilize them separately. Which means, the overunity devices aren't true perpetuum mobiles, which generate the energy from nothing. They just convert the energy of vacuum fluctuations within material into electrical or mechanical work, whereas the material cools itself spontaneously. Which means, you can run the magnetic motor for free, but not inside of your house - it will cool your home with the same (amount of) energy, which you're draining with it. It's merely a classical heat pump.

The energy released with magnetic domains can be utilized for doing of mechanical work in many ways, for example with utilization of magnetic saturation effect. The ferromagnets which are magnetized enough stop to behave like the ferromagnets, because their magnetic domains cannot be oriented anymore. Which means, such a saturated ferromagnet doesn't attract magnets anymore and due to magnetic viscosity, it does so even some moment after disabling of external magnetic field. This is just the moment, during which the vacuum fluctuations can do their work - not sooner or later.

Once the magnetic domains destroy the metastable orientation of magnetic domains, then the ferromagnetic material can attract another magnets again, so it can do a mechanical work, which will be done into account of its thermal energy in this case. It means, the saturated iron core will attract the magnet after switching off the magnetic field in it, while it will cool itself during it. We can allow its heating with neighborhood environment, so we can magnetize it again and the whole process may be repeated infinitely. I hope, this straightforward explanation may help some of you in construction of practical devices.
Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: ayeaye on April 06, 2015, 12:41:07 PM
> The problem with replication of existing overunity devices is, they're inherent complex.

Yes i fully agree. I hope that anyone hears me, or us.

When we need foundations, then the only way is to start from the basics. What is the basics, is induction of voltage in a coil. One should start from researching this basic thing, induction.

And measure everything. No need for anything fancy at first, like a self-powered device, just complete measurements.

My experiment is like that, only one coil, one capacitor, one diode and switching, with a transistor or mosfet. I had no power source. But anyway, one needs such basic circuit to study the basics. No fancy rotating wheels or anything.

I called the effect i found a negative discharge effect, only because this is what it looked like. I mean whatever it was caused by, this is what it looked like. Like the voltage spike caused the current to go to the coil from the capacitor. But the capacitor instead discharged below the zero, thus charging negatively. Again this is what it looked like, and i only say that because it looked like so.

I needed an oscilloscope to do more measurements. Now i have an oscilloscope. But i like don't feel that i can afford the time to do more experiments. In spite that the circuit is the most simple. See my thread called negative discharge effect, under solid state devices.

So this is the basics i think the research should be started from. I chose such simple circuit also at first for the very same reason. One may make the circuit slightly different but generally this is it, the simplest circuit to research the induction in the coil. Or one may say induction in general, but we can see the most induction in a coil, coil is called an inductor not for no reason.

Some suggest that even in some HHO generators, where the energy really comes from is an induction in a coil. Who knows but, anyway it's likely induction in a way or another.

So i hope i could suggest a research which is not a waste of time, because it is the most basic. And because it is research, which anyway has to be done, and is important even not depending on the results. But if overunity has to be found, then the phenomenon to search for it is induction.

So make your coil, a nice big coil. You cannot escape it, you cannot omit a coil. One may do like me, find an old crt monitor or a crt tv somewhere, and rip the deflection yoke core, and the degaussing coil. There you get everything for a coil, the core and the wire. A kind of unpleasant job i know, the disgusting old dusty crt tv, which one may pick up in some junkyard, or such. Your hands will become dusty, make sure to not injure yourself. And don't get zapped, ground the anode of the crt tube, first. Oh. But coil is a treasure :)

PS I have found that there is no way to achieve continuous rotation by permanent magnets or electromagnets. I found there is overunity that is, but not enough for continuous rotation. With the saturation of ferromagnets i have not tried, but i doubt whether that works. Because if it were possible to change the force of the ferromagnet with a very small amount of energy, then this were already found, it is easy to find. The experiments with electronic components are slightly different, as it needs making some simple electronic circuits, and measuring them. Just cannot be done in a few minutes, thus likely not done by so many.

I hope that anyone heard me.
Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Floor on January 22, 2017, 05:17:20 PM

Interesting essay / theory.

With the goal being to avoid too many complexities, and as an approach to O.U. I undertook to explore
magnet interactions at the macro / real world scale.  It appears to me at this point, that these macro scale
interactions are not as well studied and understood as I had in general expected.  There is a great deal here
which, is as yet unnoticed, unrealized.

I am finding what appear to be, excellent models for understanding the nature of the individual atomic magnetic and
magnetic domain behaviors. 

For example:

Having built and experimented with my "TD test device"
I now have what is an almost hands on experience of the "Bloch wall" !

One must think / visualize in three dimensions and in terms of helices, I think.

Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Zephir on January 22, 2017, 07:06:21 PM
Having built and experimented with my "TD test device"

This motor ( seems to work just with the principle of your theory - or not?
Can you demonstrate some tiny self-running gadget? Also this motor ( is worth of your attention.
Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: sm0ky2 on January 22, 2017, 08:25:21 PM

For example:

Having built and experimented with my "TD test device" (
I now have what is an almost hands on experience of the "Bloch wall" !

One must think / visualize in three dimensions and in terms of helices, I think.


Take a look at Theoria Apophasis on YouTube
Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Floor on January 22, 2017, 11:52:28 PM

The first motor / video link you post, is in fact very similar to the Original TD (twist drive).  I thought perhaps that
device was O.U., (I do not say absolutely that it is not) but it was not a self runner.  A group I am acquainted with,
sent a representative...  who examined that device.  That team's conclusion was that the device was the product of
skilled, good and sincere team of people (no scam), however the device was not O.U. as there was an error in interpreting the power in   to   power out.

I have seen also the second video / link you post.  I do not see a reason why.... it can or should work.
However, I do not have a detailed explanation of its operation, only guesses from the video.

"My" TD (original version) shows more work out than work in.  The next versions of it, which are what
I call "pass through" versions, are way beyond the original measurement sets, in terms of the ratio of
work in to work out.  There has been a rapid evolution of the designs.  Finally arriving at the "all magnet  motor TD based"  design, in which reciprocating motions have been replaced with counter rotation of a "shield magnet".

At this point I have left behind what I will term as "formal / explicit measurements" of force per distance. In the "pass through" designs, the difference between the inputs and output are so great as to be obvious.  Those measurements are very time consuming, and evolution of the design has been
my priority. I hope to, return to and post "explicit measurements", eventually.

This is all open source. Any, may build upon it.  (hint)

I have NOT built the rotation / counter rotation motor /s.  I wish, that more of those who wish they could, would !

Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Floor on January 23, 2017, 12:02:06 AM

Yes, I appreciate Theoria Apophasis's work / ideas.

It's a shame that the former master trolls, made such a
mess of his topic here at O.U..  I would still recomend the
reading of it, but bolster your self for the s__t storm.

I haven't checked out his stuff / videos in a while but will do so.


Title: Re: Simplest theory of overunity devices possible
Post by: Zephir on January 23, 2017, 12:41:45 AM
Take a look at Theoria Apophasis on YouTube
He's Ken L Wheeler and you can download his book here ( in many formats.