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Title: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on November 12, 2014, 01:56:15 PM
New paper by Jovan Marjanovic

Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect

The goal of this paper is to exclude dry friction as a cause of the increased duration of oscillation of a pendulum when compared to the rotation of a wheel, starting after the initiation of their movement and waiting until the movement is stopped by itself. Since this phenomenon was discovered by Veljko Milkovic, an inventor and a member of the academy of inventors of Serbia (SAIN), the author has chosen to name it the Milkovic Effect. The opinion of the author is that this phenomenon is complementary to the Aspden Effect, which will be further discussed in this paper, along with other inertial anomalies known to the author.

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Dry_Friction_and_the_Milkovic_Effect.pdf (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Dry_Friction_and_the_Milkovic_Effect.pdf)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: List on November 24, 2014, 10:39:18 PM
Dear forum users, this engineer Jovan Marjanovic has spent four years doing extensive analysis of experiments which prove greater efficiency of pendulum over rotations. The results of his research were confirmed by the Faculty of Technical Sciences in Novi Sad (Serbia), and the scientific paper (posted by Merg) about this matter was published.
 
This bilingual video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZMRTnUE7UM) is useful to prove how pendulum is superior compared to electric-motors and various kinds of rotations.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on December 17, 2014, 04:29:50 PM
New article by Veljko Milkovic

ENERGY TURNING-POINT

By observing living beings, it is not hard to notice that almost all movement is oscillatory.
Just as the wind swings branches, many other plants bend under the force of the wind, thanks to their elasticity.
The birds fly by flapping their wings; fish are similar as they oscillate their fins and tail. When discussing the movements of people and land animals, one can also talk about oscillatory movement. A similar situation can be found when observing internal organs.
It is probably not by chance that such rational achievements exist in all living beings...

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Veljko_Milkovic_Energy_Turning-Point.pdf (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Veljko_Milkovic_Energy_Turning-Point.pdf)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: List on January 03, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
As this really could be energetic and ecological break-through, it should not be discussed by some people of questionable qualifications and knowledge. Instead, it would be the best to form competent and neutral commission that would objectively question the matter.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on January 19, 2015, 02:37:30 PM
Veljko Milkovic Research & Development Center
December 2014 - News
 
 
1.  Energy Turning-Point  --  New article by Veljko Milkovic
 
By observing living beings, it is not hard to notice that almost all movement is oscillatory. Just as the wind swings branches, many other plants bend under the force of the wind, thanks to their elasticity. The birds fly by flapping their wings; fish are similar as they oscillate their fins and tail. When discussing the movements of people and land animals, one can also talk about oscillatory movement. A similar situation can be found when observing internal organs. It is probably not by chance that such rational achievements exist in all living beings...
 
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/V...ning-Point.pdf (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Veljko_Milkovic_Energy_Turning-Point.pdf)
 
 
2.  Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect  --  New scientific phenomena
 
Jovan Marjanovic, M.Sc, defined the occurrence of the Milkovic Effect in his new paper and thus gave the scientific support for Veljko Milkovic's thesis that the oscillations of the pendulum are more efficient than rotations.
 
The goal of this paper is to exclude dry friction as a cause of the increased duration of oscillation of a pendulum when compared to the rotation of a wheel, starting after the initiation of their movement and waiting until the movement is stopped by itself. Since this phenomenon was discovered by Veljko Milkovic, an inventor and a member of the academy of inventors of Serbia (SAIN),the author has chosen to name it the Milkovic Effect. The opinion of the author is that this phenomenon is complementary to the Aspden Effect, which will be further discussed in this paper, along with other inertial anomalies known to the author.
 
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/J...c_Eff  ect.pdf (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Dry_Friction_and_the_Milkovic_Effect.pdf)
 
 
3.  Laboratory proof of the superiority of the flexible pendulum versus the electric motor
 
Laboratory measuring which proves the oscillation of a flexible pendulum to be a hundred times longer than the rotation of an asynchronous motor.
Measurement performed by Prof. Slobodan Milovancev, Ph.D., Faculty of Technical Sciences, University in Novi Sad, Serbia, June 04, 2014.
 
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/M...ic_motor.p  df (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Measurement_flexible_pendulum_vs._electric_motor.pdf)
 
 
4.  Support of the Academy of Sciences for further research
 
Academy of Sciences, Cultures and Arts of Vojvodina (ANKUV), as one of the most relevant scientific institution in Serbia which gathers the leading university professors and scientists, gave the official scientific support and recommendation for further scientific research of a very efficient pump with a pendulum.
 
Academy of Sciences, Cultures and Arts of Vojvodina
Prof. Lidija Cveticanin, Ph.D., Academician Prof. Milorad Miloradov. Ph.D.
 
Opinion on the Model of a Two-Stage Pendulum Driving a Pump
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/A...ing_a_Pump.pdf (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/ANKUV_Opinion_on_the_Model_of_a_Two-Stage_Pendulum_Driving_a_Pump.pdf)   
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Mayo on February 11, 2015, 07:51:10 PM
In this video, there is an obvious proof that oscillations are far more effective than rotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: AB Hammer on February 12, 2015, 12:52:05 AM
In this video, there is an obvious proof that oscillations are far more effective than rotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs)

I wouldn't go that far to say, for once the gravity wheel is proved, it will leave it in the dust. "So to speak".  We won't have to be there to keep it swinging.  ;)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on February 23, 2015, 01:21:35 PM
Magnetic-Gravitational Hybrid

Since the oscillations are proven to be more efficient than rotations, a Magnetic-Gravitational Hybrid is under development. Lately, it becomes more and more actual and is being developed as know-how.

From the book "Gravitational Machines" (2013) by Veljko Milkovic

A design with pendulum and permanent magnets enables higher energy density. One such example was published in 2001, and new versions are currently being developed, as well as know-how.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: tagor on February 23, 2015, 03:30:14 PM
In this video, there is an obvious proof that oscillations are far more effective than rotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6xLglhs3rs)

there is absolutely no proof

with good bearing a wheel is infinitily more effective !
( because the kinetic energy is always in the same direction )
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Low-Q on February 27, 2015, 10:33:08 PM
Magnetic-Gravitational Hybrid

Since the oscillations are proven to be more efficient than rotations, a Magnetic-Gravitational Hybrid is under development. Lately, it becomes more and more actual and is being developed as know-how.

From the book "Gravitational Machines" (2013) by Veljko Milkovic

A design with pendulum and permanent magnets enables higher energy density. One such example was published in 2001, and new versions are currently being developed, as well as know-how.


I have attached two images, taken your image as a starting point.


The first image shows what most people expect how the pendulum behaves when it is pulling the lever on the top, when the pendulum reach the bottom. The path is symetrical allowing the pendulum to swing freely without losing fluctuation. The red path is the expected one.


The second image shows how the pendulums path really are going. As you can see the path is not symetric. The inertia of the levers right hand weight will not change direction in the instant when the pendulum reach the bottom. So the pendulum is restricted from continuing after it has reach the bottom. This will slow down the pendulums fluctuation and make it to a stop quite quick. Energy must be applied to make it continue. Infact the same energy as it take to lift the right hand weight. The red and the green path in the second picture is what really happens - note the arrow to see direction of the path.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on March 03, 2015, 12:34:21 AM
Pendulum Gravity Team from India   

Student project: Veljko Milkovic's Pendulum Pump (replica)     

Video #1: Gravity Energy Machines

This project is made by Harshil Padia, Amey Patel, Jatan Desai and Vinay Sawant who are the students of Shri. Bhaghubhai Mafatlal Polytechnic  from the Department of Mechanical Engineering. This is their last year Diploma Project. This video is intended to show their work from last 2 years.  They are still working on this project...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC_pc2jEkKI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC_pc2jEkKI)   

Video #2: Gravity Energy Machines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMT5iroonE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMT5iroonE4)   

Official Facebook Page of Gravity Team
 
Page is all about the project we are doing called GRAVITY ENERGY MACHINE
Our Present Project is all about "THE PENDULUM PUMP". It's made with the objective to reduce the efforts of farmers to draw water using hand pumps. This project is basically an attachment to conventional hand pumps which reduces the efforts required to draw water. This is achieved using double oscillating mechanism which gets advantage of gravity and inertia of its own pendulum to draw water. Mission in to make a device that efficiently utilizes the energy available from gravity.
https://www.facebook.com/gravityenergymachine (https://www.facebook.com/gravityenergymachine)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on March 13, 2015, 03:28:52 PM
Unbalanced Chan Wheel showing the Milkovic 2SO effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolD_R32Eqw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FolD_R32Eqw)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on March 30, 2015, 01:34:36 PM
It is interesting to be recalled and noticed that the collision of the ball and cart itself, in this Veljko Milkovic’s demonstration of the pendulum cart, does not dissipate the huge energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs)

Newton’s cradle is the right proof for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Newtons_cradle_animation_book_2.gif (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Newtons_cradle_animation_book_2.gif)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Low-Q on March 30, 2015, 09:34:32 PM
It is interesting to be recalled and noticed that the collision of the ball and cart itself, in this Veljko Milkovic’s demonstration of the pendulum cart, does not dissipate the huge energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuTMYgQDUzs)

Newton’s cradle is the right proof for this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LnbyjOyEQ8)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Newtons_cradle_animation_book_2.gif (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Newtons_cradle_animation_book_2.gif)
It's demonstrated that a soft swing of the pendulum is way more efficient than the sudden impact on the carts wall. The impact has great losses, but that is caused by the material of the wall and its fragile construction. If the wall didn't move or absorb at all, the ball would bounced back and forth several times causing the cart to travel just as far as the pendulum demonstration does.


Vidar
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on April 07, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
New replica & public demonstration of the two-stage oscillator by Peter Salocher

Kraftverstärker und Solarkocher
Peter Salocher zeigt einen vollkommen mechanischen Kraftverstärker und eine energiesparende Solarkochkiste. Ausführliche Selbstbauanleitung auf http://WasserStattSprit.info (http://WasserStattSprit.info)

https://youtu.be/fEA6UPm_RZQ?t=1m4s (https://youtu.be/fEA6UPm_RZQ?t=1m4s)

(English & German subtitles available)
 
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on April 21, 2015, 03:12:24 PM
Scientists and researchers around the world write about the two-stage oscillator

Only in the last two months, three books that describe the invention of Veljko Milkovic were published

http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Naucni_radoviEng.html (http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Naucni_radoviEng.html)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on May 02, 2015, 02:07:20 PM
Vladimir Mikael, another author writing about the two-stage oscillator

http://vladimirmikael.wix.com/global-healing#!water-power-supply/c1ixh
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on May 14, 2015, 05:53:02 PM
A replica by Victor Ivanov (Milkovic pendulum)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nyv4zeVUxvU
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on June 08, 2015, 12:55:20 AM
2 new patents of Veljko Milkovic!
 
Mechanical hammer with a pendulum and permanent magnets

RS 1420 U1 - MP-2014/0036
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images...i/Patent30.pdf (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veljkomilkovic.com%2FImages%2FPatenti%2FPatent30.pdf)

Oscillating mechanism with a two-arm lever and pendulum bob hanging on the elastic tapes

RS 1421 U1 - MP-2014/0037
http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Images...i/Patent31.pdf (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.veljkomilkovic.com%2FImages%2FPatenti%2FPatent31.pdf)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on June 08, 2015, 01:19:39 AM
So where are the products bases on these patents?
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Paul-R on June 08, 2015, 01:13:49 PM
So where are the products bases on these patents?
Look at the dates on the documents.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on June 08, 2015, 03:10:01 PM
Production is usually started when patents are applied for, not when granted.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Paul-R on June 08, 2015, 03:30:29 PM
Production is usually started when patents are applied for, not when granted.
Give us an example.

Who would back such a risk?

Anyway, the EPO lists it as an application:

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150430&CC=RS&NR=1421U1&KC=U1
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on June 08, 2015, 03:35:29 PM
Any savvy business person would invest if the likelyhood of a profit is high. Sometimes they do it also for other reasons.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: noonespecial on June 08, 2015, 08:07:58 PM
Give us an example.

Who would back such a risk?

Anyway, the EPO lists it as an application:

http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150430&CC=RS&NR=1421U1&KC=U1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=worldwide.espacenet.com&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150430&CC=RS&NR=1421U1&KC=U1)

What's an 'elastic BRAND'? :) I guess no one bothers to proof-read these applications.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: noonespecial on June 09, 2015, 12:23:08 AM
I'd actually like to see a 'shoot-out' between the Milkovic pump and the Feltonberger. From watching the online videos, it seems the Feltonberger pumps more water.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on July 17, 2015, 02:41:04 AM
New video of Veljko Milkovic!

Oscillations more efficient than rotations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qktY1hDrRl8

(English & German subtitles available)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: sm0ky2 on July 17, 2015, 03:26:56 AM
So where are the products bases on these patents?

in areas of the world where water is still pumped by hand.....
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: sm0ky2 on July 17, 2015, 03:31:31 AM
I'd actually like to see a 'shoot-out' between the Milkovic pump and the Feltonberger. From watching the online videos, it seems the Feltonberger pumps more water.

Feltonberger is superior to milkovic pump.

The worm-gear provides way more torque over distance per oscillation, than the double-pendulum.

Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on August 04, 2015, 03:23:28 PM
Video: new replica from India!

pendulum water pump mechanical project
by Karthick Robo (India)
 
Mechanical Engineering Project Topics DIY Machine Homemade Video Diploma And Engineering PDF PPT Abstract System IEEE Mini Main For Final Year Low Cost At Tamil-Nadu List Title Ideas For And Students 2013-2014-2015 Salem Senior Report For Free Design Work Easy best latest new innovative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqx6GnzHpIA (http://www.energeticforum.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLqx6GnzHpIA)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on August 04, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
"in areas of the world where water is still pumped by hand....." but they are NOT OU; neither is this latest one.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on August 10, 2015, 12:11:33 AM
Some pendulum powered machines - replicas from India etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_2lnSNcS8Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7q6M4o8zFI
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83JRTVCE04#t=325s
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9YmgEKr8gw
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdaA2io3sGU
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on August 10, 2015, 12:57:16 AM
Zero evidence of OU or self running.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on August 19, 2015, 10:49:47 PM
The Infinite Oscillation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAchuS8SyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAchuS8SyU)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on August 19, 2015, 11:01:14 PM
As I said, zero evidence of OU or self running.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on September 01, 2015, 02:28:25 AM
...some Indian student project on Milkovic's pendulum pump.
http://www.slideshare.net/pranitathorat94/structural-design-and-manufacturing-using-pendulum-principle-for-bucket-type-water-pump (http://www.slideshare.net/pranitathorat94/structural-design-and-manufacturing-using-pendulum-principle-for-bucket-type-water-pump)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: SPANG on September 12, 2015, 09:28:15 AM
Isn't Milkovic the guy who invented the Morse Code Tapping Coat Hanger?
 
BILL.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Merg on February 13, 2016, 07:21:14 PM
Are the gravitational waves the cause of ultra efficiency of the two-stage oscillator?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/science/ligo-gravitational-waves-black-holes-einstein.html?_r=0)
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: memoryman on February 13, 2016, 08:16:32 PM
If you mean OU by 'ultra efficiency of the two-stage oscillator', that would first have to be demonstrated.
If you mean 'close but not exceeding' 100%, that is just a matter of reducing losses.
Title: Re: Dry Friction and the Milkovic Effect
Post by: Nink on February 13, 2016, 10:04:20 PM
The Infinite Oscillation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAchuS8SyU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gAchuS8SyU)

clever there is an electric magnet under the desk.  It attracts the stack of large washers (The weight) , pulls the washers down causing the ball to move.  You turn the magnet off the washers rise up  and repeat. nice illusion.