For those who are interested I looked through the comments from the other Indonesian inventor who posted his video two years ago and then vanished into thin air, something like Syairchairun....

 Here are some of the things he had to say...

URL of his mogen, it is the orange one I linked to in an earlier post... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk



Sorry, I do not feel as inventor. Maybe there are more ahead of me and probably better. Here I will just hold experiment. I just assemble and combine several existing components.

Q Generators have you modifisikasi be permanent magnets?
A AVR generator must be modified slightly. If necessary, given the generator output voltage remains stable stavolt that will keep the electric motor rotation. To exchange information, please contact to my email usweentop@gmail.com

Thank you for the correction. Free in question is free from pollution. Free from fossil fuel dependency

Sorry, this experiment still many shortcomings. And we continue to find the best solution. To exchange information, please contact to my email. usweentop@gmail.com

I have not tried. For a while, my focus into AC current circulation. Load power that is used must not be greater than or equal to the power produced by the generator. The output power must be limited. That's the point of MCB. Congratulations to you who already tries to lighting in your area. success always (Reminds me of Syairchairun running the welder and maxing his generator out, probably why the belt and sound anomaly occured)

True. The basic theory like that. The tricky part is that you have to modify the AVR generator and seek appropriate comparison poly

AVR generator must be modified to maintain the stability of the output. only the

The generators and electric motors has been modified to be permanent magnets. Time delay Provides sufficient time for stability of voltage and frequency


1) AC Generator 220 V, 5000 kVA, 1500 rpm. 2)Electric Motor 220 V, 1200 watt, 1 HP, 2850 rpm. 3) Timer Delay. 4) Magnetic Contactor. SALAM

Q Hello unsweentop, very good work. I guess that the 1500rpm generator is 4-pole, but the 2850rpm motor is 2-pole. Is that right? Thanks.
A Yes, you right. But there is was modificated to be permanent magnet

(Question)   Box on top of the orange electric motor is clearly not part of the original motor and is large enough to house a batter to power the device. Why do these people never show schematics and demonstrate that no fraud is evident? What are they hiding?
(Answer) No, I'm not hide anything. I just waiting for right time and right place to share my experiment for right man.

This is what I am building right now.

Cheers

Looking forward to your reports...

Supposing that you have a rotor with four magnets equally spaced 90 degrees apart.  You hook up scope channel A to a sensor pick-up coil that is 90 degrees away from the actual generator coil.  You trigger on channel A.  You hook up scope channel B to the actual generator coil output.  When you run the pulse motor you can then try different types of loads on the generator coil and observe if there is any delay or "phase shift" in the generator coil output relative to the reference unchanging waveform on channel A.  That is the real way to see if there is a "Lenz delay."

Did you do that?  I don't think you did.  I think that you just saw the rotor speed up and you just assumed that there was a "Lenz delay." Now when people see a rotor speed up they say that it is a "delayed Lenz effect" and it's wrong.

Why is it wrong?

He is what we all should know:  When you look at the attached graphic for a typical generator coil waveform, that can represent an unloaded generator coil waveform.  In the unloaded case, you are looking at the pure EMF from the coil.  We know how a coil generates EMF due to a changing external magnetic field.  We know that the load is a resistor.  We know that the frequencies are relatively low.  When we take all that into account, we conclude that there is no reason for a delay in the waveform of the generator coil output.  We are simply applying standard well-known electronics principles.

That is the reason I am telling you there should not be a phase shift.  If anyone wants to comment or disagree, they are welcome to.


MileHigh

The experiment can be setup the way you suggest and there is still a 20 to 80 Degrees phase delay on the load from the AUL coil compared to the sense coil.

Regards

Luc

See, I knew you would be one of the few who would be in the position and of the proper mindset to measure when measuring is required.  The scientific community doesn't need my assistance verifying the validity of the observations they felt justified in calling laws.  I owe it to myself to find deeper meaning in those things which "would" impede my progress.  I see the force as it manifests in the motor and seek to understand it, the laws all of them, are a guide to me, that's it. 

Guided by the laws, I have developed my own way of looking at these systems, on several occasions I have tried, and failed (the latter more often than the prior) to communicate what I see, my perspective with others.  I need not define "inductance" for you know what it is, general description is that its that property which opposes the starting, stopping, and changing of current or flux.  The relation that inductance has to self induction you know.  I view self-induction as if it were (and it is) a generator, one which operates more or less independent from the induced.  The output, when conditions are established making an output possible from the actions of self-induction, can be directed against the induced proper.  In my experience the proper mixing of the two AC sources result in the reversing of the current limiting.  Consumption inverts, increasing with increasing RPM versus decreasing as is customary.

We owe it to ourselves and the authors of the laws to think outside of the box they built for us, or at the very least, use the sand in the box to build a box of our own.




Regards

The bottom line is that modification or repeal of a law requires reliable data that refutes the law.  And with respect to the laws we have been discussing that is where the challengers all fall flat.

The experiment can be setup the way you suggest and there is still a 20 to 80 Degrees phase delay on the load from the AUL coil compared to the sense coil.

Regards

Luc

Fine, but that is just an observation.  You apparently don't know why that is happening and therefore you can't draw any conclusions from it.

Also, your first measurement should be with a standard setup with a single output coil.  That is what is being discussed.  You want to take it to a next step with two coaxial coils with different properties, that's fine but it is a different discussion.  It may be similar, but it is still a different discussion.

I am also not comfortable with the term "phase delay."  It's because although the waveform is periodic, it's really just a stream of pulses with what I am calling a "dead band" in between.  I know I am splitting hairs here but simply quoting the milliseconds of delay would be the more appropriate way to express what you are observing.

MileHigh

Below is a chart showing the electromagnetic induction laws defining direct relationships between electromagnetic induction variables in a closed circuit.

It is all good and nice classic model when you have single input power source and single closed loop circuit.
When it comes to two input power sources which are not directly related to each other then this model does not apply anymore.

Like from my concept you can compare that case to vacuum triode: The main closed circuit is magnetic flux from magnet inducing current in coil and the weak  force regulating magnetic flux resistance in its path is the external kinetic energy switching that flux over moving iron core. The small change of kinetic movement causes great change in magnetic flux... In this case you get secondary reaction delivering power where primary action is doing same function as catalyst in chemical reaction.

Cheers!

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