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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 608371 times)

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #255 on: December 03, 2014, 08:03:42 PM »


Here is another apparent replication from Indonesia....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk&sns=em



Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #256 on: December 03, 2014, 08:08:54 PM »
Can any of you experts in the motor field inform us as to what motors in North America would have similar stator windings that would be suitable for modification? I think the permanent magnet cores, regardless of the number of poles we work with, are a no brainer, I also think the rotor with ferrous segments is also a 'no brainer' to build and experiment with...

Seeing as how we are not all going to start importing generators from China to modify, let us identify the AC induction motors we need to be working with. Three phase stators,  220 volt single phase stators, 110 stators etc etc.... or is it more advisable to work with four pole Onan generator stators?

Lets get the discussion going please.... time is short!

See this website... http://revelation12.ca and you will know what I mean.... things are about change overnight!

And Syair if you are still around, and monitoring this thread, just take the permanent magnet generator apart and show us the configuration... please! Your friend may be dead, and if you are not, you may soon be if you do not quickly open source your work....


thngr

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #257 on: December 03, 2014, 10:09:53 PM »
Many thanks to Just..Sayin.. because of his news.

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #258 on: December 03, 2014, 11:07:03 PM »
You are welcome thngr......

Here is an article about what may be the original genset that Syair replicated. It is not copy and paste format so I can not translate it, can anyone else translate any important info that may be in the article... it may also help nail down the location and dig up further info...

http://penapersada.blogspot.ca/2013/06/warga-binaan-rakit-genset-tanpa-bbm.html

Still wondering if anyone is going to help identify the proper type of  induction motor that would fit the bill here...

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #259 on: December 03, 2014, 11:17:42 PM »
Heh-heh...Gotta love that picture of Inspector Clouseau "investigating."  :o  Kinda reminds me of Tahiti -- gendarmes (cops) standing around playing 'pocket pool' with absolutely nothing to do but stick their noses into everybody's business.


I'll be doing some experimenting with a single phase 1KW core extracted from a cheap ($150) Chinese generator in the coming days. More to come....


Chris



Edit: Just..Sayin.. -- pretty much any kind of motor will work. Start small for minimum current pull on the generator, work your way up if necessary. I'll be using a small DC motor that pulls about 4 amps at 12V in my setup.

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #260 on: December 03, 2014, 11:18:02 PM »
Those of us who want to live off the grid only require a small generator to run continuously and charge a battery bank. Two or three hundred watts would be sufficient, we do not need to convert one of these 10kw generators to achieve that. A one to three hp induction motor should do the trick for a few hundred watts....

Suggestions please from you stator experts as to what we need to work with...

Edit... Thanks for the input Chris..... I do have a small dc motor I believe it is 1/7 hp.... Also what is the brand of generator you are using, most of those use the gas engine to support the shaft at one end? Or is that the type you will work with?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #261 on: December 03, 2014, 11:38:36 PM »
Hi everyone,

I was wondering what the Wave Form of one of these devices may look like.
So I put together a simple test device using a shaded motor coil with two N - S ceramic magnets between it and placed a thin board over it so I can manually slide different cores over it to observe the wave forms and see if there's anything unusual we can see.

I find the waveform to be different then the standard and would like the opinion of others as to why you would think this would make a difference in a generator.

I also noticed the wave form is quite different depending on how wide the core I manually move over magnets and coil.

First picture is the coil and magnet test setup and cores to be used. Second picture is with the thin board over the test setup with a core ready to be moved by hand.
The below scope shots are the results of U-core, then thin core, then wide core.

Please share your thoughts

Luc

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #262 on: December 04, 2014, 12:41:25 AM »
You mentioned Shaded Pole Motor, but I don't see the motor in your pictures.
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #263 on: December 04, 2014, 12:49:37 AM »
You mentioned Shaded Pole Motor, but I don't see the motor in your pictures.
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That's because I took it apart and only using the Coil and center core. They are quite an easy source for a quick coil and laminated core.

Luc

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #264 on: December 04, 2014, 01:00:29 AM »
Here is an article about what may be the original genset that Syair replicated. It is not copy and paste format so I can not translate it, can anyone else translate any important info that may be in the article... it may also help nail down the location and dig up further info...

http://penapersada.blogspot.ca/2013/06/warga-binaan-rakit-genset-tanpa-bbm.html

Managed to extract this:


The inmates in prisons muaradua successfully assemble the generator without fuel

Although life are behind bars, not hinder occupants Branch Prison Muaradua to be creative. Even the creation of inmates deserve appreciation society.
One of the creations in the field of technology which successfully created the Muaradua Prison inmates make Electricity Without Fuel engine. These creations exhibited direct Tuesday (25/6) in the detention center yesterday in a ceremony Muaradua land grants, as well as the inauguration of boarding Rutan and the inauguration of a business unit of steam motorcycles and cars belonging to citizens of proxies Rutan done.
Head of Branch Muaradua Rutan, Jumadi SH MH said, if indeed it has been continuously working to provide guidance and pembekaan ability for inmates. It is expected that after the exit of the detention center, they already have the skills to be developed in society and the economy sustain life.
"Development of skills is done to prisoners. Making electricity without burning itself is one obvious example, although we are still modeled through youtube, "beber Jumadi.
Development of electric technology without fuel added, inspired by frequent outages of electricity in the prison environment or Muaradua. So that inmates trying to create make electricity without fuel.
How electricity works without fuel he explained, the power cable to the electric motor is connected to the flow of PLN or ACCU, after the electric motor is turned on it will drive the electrical generator and produce electrical current AC and DC with a capacity of 3000 watts with a voltage of 300 volts.
"Electricity is able to illuminate the house with the number 15 Samai lights 20 light point. Just turn on only when needed flow of electricity, as the generator of life it is not necessary anymore, "he explained.
Advantages of electricity without fuel technology itself he said, do not cause air pollution as well as environmentally friendly and fuel efficient.
"We hope this technology can be developed successfully created, and make PLN as foster father," he hoped.
Meanwhile, the manager of PT PLN Rayon Muaradua, Iliyas deeply mengapreasi technology invented Rtan Muaradua prisoners. According Iliyas there are several components that need to be refined further assessed for more leverage. He also admitted that the team fielded PLN ready to help you enhance the technological creations.
"When asked by Rutan Muaradua, we of PLN will be ready to help by lowering a team of experts in helping inmates complete their work so that they can be marketed whole communities," he said while claiming to salute the creativity of inmates.
Regarding the cost of manufacture of the equipment, Iliyas menilas amount spent quite large. Given the high price of the dynamo is used. "High cost given, for dynamo," he added.
Separately, Vice Regent OKU south Dr. Hj Herath Billy SPM looking straight power tool without fuel also praised the creation. "It should be developed and refined. Hopefully in the future could be marketed and sold to the public at large, "he said

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #265 on: December 04, 2014, 01:08:05 AM »
Thanks very much for the find.... Dog One

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #266 on: December 04, 2014, 01:16:38 AM »
Thanks very much for the find.... Dog One

The trick is to view the page source, then cut-n-paste into google translate.

I can't say I'm encouraged about what that article tells us though, very likely Ramadan is a prisoner.  I wouldn't hold my breath on getting any more information than we already have.  I'm very thankful for what Syair has showed us; he certainly put himself in danger doing what he thought was right.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #267 on: December 04, 2014, 10:29:14 AM »
so I created a new generator that has a specially design , which can drain the efect lenz law to a different angle , fixed rotor induction of entry and large sngat and induction occurs when burdened can be streamed to the other , a simple example In the generator market : you 're running from the point A to C and in the middle there is a point B when you approach the corner b ye winds buffeted the opposite and when you pass you Mlah drawn , you definitely hard right to mencpai to the dot C , but on my generator that does not happen because there are no barriers negtif style was diverted towards the other is not destroyed krna energy lenz law remains.


Exactly, discharge magnetic field of magnet when magnet is UNDER coil and the Lenz force will be redirected. This is why you have to include iron bar between magnet and coil and discharge the magnetic field from one magnet into other with opposite magnetic polarity when iron bar is under coil... ;)

Also my CAD drawing is designed exactly to do that and also balance magnetic forces so the same generator coil can become motor driving coil..
Reposting here (remove .txt from FreeCAD drawing file Magnetic flux switching generator.FCStd.txt):

thngr

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #268 on: December 04, 2014, 11:54:04 AM »
to T-1000
your iron bar need to be isolated slicone steel stack in-line with magnetic field or ferrite bar do you aware that?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #269 on: December 04, 2014, 11:56:49 AM »
to T-1000
your iron bar need to be isolated slicone steel stack in-line with magnetic field or ferrite bar do you aware that?
The preference is same as the core in transformer which mean isolated plates to avoid losses.
The magnets here virtually replace primary inductor coil of transformer.