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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 608536 times)

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #210 on: November 27, 2014, 07:51:06 PM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #211 on: November 27, 2014, 09:17:13 PM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #212 on: November 27, 2014, 10:13:56 PM »
Who know the exact model and power of the generator that syairchairun is using ?

From what I can read it is 10 KW 40.5 amp 220 volts and 1500 or 1600 rpm, cannot make out the phase looks like a 1, from wiring out seems to be single phase....


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #213 on: November 28, 2014, 06:17:52 AM »
From what I can read it is 10 KW 40.5 amp 220 volts and 1500 or 1600 rpm, cannot make out the phase looks like a 1, from wiring out seems to be single phase....

Something similar to this one :

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/10KW-ST-Generator-Head-1-Phase-for-Diesel-or-Gas-Engine-60Hz-/331362857668?pt=BI_Generators&hash=item4d26c3f2c4

Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #214 on: November 28, 2014, 12:22:09 PM »
Two coils attached much brighter glow now. Still not detecting any bemf that I would have expected lighting an incandescent. My plan now is to load as many coils on to thing as I can.

T-1000

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #215 on: November 28, 2014, 04:18:53 PM »
I will add some a bit off topic but it is required to wake up sceptics for starting thinking about "grey" areas between white and black of current physics "laws":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlx2PgESXhs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiI22CdBbv4&list=UUzWA3ov9kcza5XxtHh-lM7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OobiPEZN6vQ

Due no other input from author of this thread, people are figuring out themselves... There is some deviation from design shown with step forward collectively thought and experimented with in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2678.0 (sorry forum trolls, you cannot hijack it  8) )
Taking whole understanding how it works and shifting it to the level where no external motor is required is a target :) Like  E. Leedskalnin had back in 1930s in his generator ... Then there will be no doubts left about input power usage and power output I hope...

Cheers!

Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #216 on: November 28, 2014, 06:19:03 PM »
Still traveling down my own road here... not trying to negate any laws of physics, just making them work for us.

How does this generator assist with it's own motive force? We already see how the rotor is attracted toward the next pole once it is past the cogging point, positively aiding the rotor rotation.

Here's another piece of the answer.

Anyone who has ever applied full power to a loose motor knows the resulting force is applied to both the armature and the stator.

In the picture below,
F = force, Nm
I = current, amps
B = magnetic strength, Teslas
h = length of red wire in meters

F = IhB

The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

In this generator, the magnetic source X and the red wire carrying a current I are locked in position and can not move.

The wire carrying current I sees only a magnetic force from a temporary magnetic source, rotor Y.

The resulting force F is applied to rotor Y forcing it into the screen.


One question is, which rule will assert itself here, Fleming's right hand or left hand rule? I think it will be the left hand rule because the current in the wire is the sum of that induced in itself plus the currents from all other coils wired to it in series. In other words the current in the wire is greater than the current induced in that one wire. Experimenting will tell.

Next, where to place the wires in the stator slots and how to connect them together in order to have the current flowing in the right direction at the right place to assist the rotor past the cogging point must be determined.

Getting real close to a build here..

T-1000

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #217 on: November 28, 2014, 06:35:16 PM »
Still traveling down my own road here... not trying to negate any laws of physics, just making them work for us.

How does this generator assist with it's own motive force? We already see how the rotor is attracted toward the next pole once it is past the cogging point, positively aiding the rotor rotation.

Here's another piece of the answer.

Anyone who has ever applied full power to a loose motor knows the resulting force is applied to both the armature and the stator.

In the picture below,
F = force, Nm
I = current, amps
B = magnetic strength, Teslas
h = length of red wire in meters

F = IhB

The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

The answer is right here. If you reach net balance of magnetic forces  on shorted coil when approaching iron bar has magnetic polarity from magnet to be same as the iron bar with flipped polarity from other magnet when it is going away from coil, the solution in coil is this:
"I = current, amps"
Make it less with help of increased resistance on wire on magnetic flux increase in the coil and no resistance on reversal. This will unbalance magnetic forces and the deflecting net force will be greater on the iron bar going away than on incoming. This will create one way pushing net force... So no basic physics principles are broken here :)

P.S> For creating such circumstances there is my explanation in http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2678.msg43430#msg43430

Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #218 on: November 29, 2014, 01:14:01 AM »
T-1000,

No, sorry, that is not what I described, at all. Syair's gen, the one I am working on, has no resemblance to the Thane Hiens device either.

Over at overunityresearch you are talking about the moment of polarity flip of the rotor. This motor force on the rotor is separate from that.

Btw, you left out the the important part in your quote
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The result is a force F out of the screen acting on the wire, the basic principle of electric motors.

In this generator, the magnetic source X and the red wire carrying a current I are locked in position and can not move.

The wire carrying current I sees only a magnetic force from a temporary magnetic source, rotor Y.

The resulting force F is applied to rotor Y forcing it into the screen.

Cheers

T-1000

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #219 on: November 29, 2014, 04:26:54 AM »
T-1000,

No, sorry, that is not what I described, at all. Syair's gen, the one I am working on, has no resemblance to the Thane Hiens device either.

Over at overunityresearch you are talking about the moment of polarity flip of the rotor. This motor force on the rotor is separate from that.

Btw, you left out the the important part in your quote
Cheers
There is no connection to Thane Hiens device there. Also as I mentioned above, this description is not about Syair's gen either. ;) The W. Gary effect + balanced wheel by means of magnetic forces is a deviation from first post in thread so it is on other forum...

Just..Sayin..

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #220 on: November 29, 2014, 06:42:20 PM »
Two coils attached much brighter glow now. Still not detecting any bemf that I would have expected lighting an incandescent. My plan now is to load as many coils on to thing as I can.

Please keep us posted, what size of device are you working on?

Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #221 on: November 30, 2014, 01:53:07 AM »
Please keep us posted, what size of device are you working on?
If you subscribe to the Youtube channel you'll see it as I upload. youtube.com/user/jimboot2 - The device I am working on is small If I manage to get more than 2watts out of it I'll be very surprised. I'll build something bigger once I'm convinced of potential...

lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #222 on: November 30, 2014, 05:05:54 AM »
Here is my take on this, it's a small video slideshow    :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Un7-Gsj2c

Some info about it in the comment section below the video   ;)

Free,
Good design. Can always modify the rotor with different materials and concepts.
Possibly an iron or Ferrite "U" over the magnets to short the field.
Could even wire the coils parallel with diodes and use odd number of "U"s to eliminate cogging.

Lot's of mod's if it don't work as desired.


Cap-Z-ro

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #223 on: November 30, 2014, 05:19:31 AM »
I believe this may be a suitable occasion for a famous quote from Ed Leedskalnin...

"I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper."

Regards...


Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #224 on: November 30, 2014, 05:56:53 AM »
Here is my take on this, it's a small video slideshow    :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39Un7-Gsj2c

Some info about it in the comment section below the video   ;)
Sweet, I love those VCR tape heads.