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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 608537 times)

l0stf0x

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #165 on: November 21, 2014, 02:55:58 PM »
Enjoykin you infos are just excelent!! Thank you man! New ideas came to my head!! I ll be back



Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #166 on: November 22, 2014, 03:48:40 AM »
What are you thnik - Who you are?? Why trolling my posts here ?? Another Amerian agent at this thred ?? Do you think it is easy jumping from one thread to another and disinform people which want to learn something new ?? And how do you dare to command me to go to another thread and make my posts there ??

Did you fallen from Mars ?? Or any other planet ??

I said and can confirm (and not only i). You also have confirmations of Dr.Marinov, Dr.Nikolaev and many real physicist (not main stream official liers) that:


THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE PERPETUM MOTION S MACHINE IS ONLY WITH THE HELP OF SCALAR MAGNETIC FIELD !! THERE DOES NOT EXIST OTHER WAYS !!


And i have not time to make stupid games with governements trolls here or everywhere !!
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Clever man will take good advice from next text of Dr.Stefan Marinov.

From letter Dr.Marinov to Dr.Nikolaev

All point is that equation of Lorentz "go to pieces". Cylidrical magnet cutted at half in axial plane with one half rotated 180 degrees, make in vicinity of slit magnetic filed which operate on currents with longitudinal forces. According to equation of Lorents forces which magnet operate on current are always perpendicular to currents. Dr.Genady V.Nikolaev called this field Scalar Magnetic Filed. It has rendered that for 200 years research of magnetism there exist except Vector Magnetic Filed B, also Scalar Magnetic Field S. So on some current element operate TWO FORCES - Lorenz and Nikolaev.

f = f(lorentz) + f(nikolaev) = Idr x B/c + Idr•S/c

The most interesting result which show manifestation of Sclar Magnetic Filed is next.
As you already know with help of three fingers of your righrt hand you can show if piece of wire with sliding contacts at his ends moving in plane perpendicular to vector magnetic filed B, B is in perpendicular direction to wire moving, than here is started such kind of current induction which interrelation with B filed bring braking (deceleration) movement of wire. That is well known Lentz law and the first term in above equation is his methematical formulation. If now with help of only one finger of your right or left hand you try to determine where will be induced current in wire with sliding contacs which finger will move in longitudinal direction of wire in Scalar Magnetic field S,
you will be in wonder because the induced current will not breakingmovement of wire but will help accelerating wire. It can be called AntiLenz effect. Everybody can test that antilentz effect with help of Siberian Colia Magnet. From this can be easy concluded that with the help of Scalar Magnetic Filed you can make perpetual motion S machine.
etc.

Dr.Stefan Marinov.

ps: People do not feed the troll(s) and don not listen anybody especially governement trolls if you want to make OU generator.. Listen yourself - your mind and check-up all.

That's all from me!! You are on your own !!

Enjoykin


T-1000 was trying to help enjoykin not hinder. A very interesting discussion. Thank you both for your input


ARMCORTEX

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #167 on: November 22, 2014, 04:02:02 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk&list=PLO6FJVqlxatfTY0QlElqDZNK4yE4jU3z8

I never saw this video before, but this is the third similar video I see like this.

I bet this is Syar arrangement.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #168 on: November 22, 2014, 09:14:28 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-Ea8xVt0yk

I never saw this video before, but this is the third similar video I see like this.

I bet this is Syar arrangement.

Somewhere out there in the underground is the secret to how this works or at least how to make modifications to off-the-shelf components.

However, I don't think anyone would pony up $49 to get plans for the 12KW generator advertised here:  http://diymagneticmotor.com/

I have a feeling if we could get just one guy that knows, to carefully walk us through this, we'd be all set.

Maybe it really is as simple as:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohvlXleq5ro

l0stf0x

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #169 on: November 22, 2014, 09:51:20 AM »

 Also he told he has special magnetic configuration deep in his soft-iron rotor.



Hi Enjoykin, Do you have any more info about that? What you think he mean? special structure of the material? premagnetized? ??

http://www.pennstatehershey.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=1176176&name=DLFE-15206.pdf
« Last Edit: November 22, 2014, 12:02:16 PM by l0stf0x »

Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #170 on: November 22, 2014, 03:59:05 PM »
So here we are. Another thread derailed before any meaningful discussions or tests are done with the original design.

Instead all the experts have weighed in and denounced it as a hoax and now we see “replications” that have no resemblance to the actual device proposed.


Tell us, all you 'experts' and replicators:

What is the pole arc of the exciters?

What is the pole pitch of the iron rotors?

What is the ratio of pole arc to pole pitch? Is it the same for both the exciters and rotors?

How many stator coil slots are there? How many are used?

What winding pattern is used in the stator for either 1 phase or 3 phase?

Where is slot #1 of the stator winding in relation to a stationary exciter pole? Is that important?

Does the winding start above a N or S pole? Does it start as clockwise or counter clockwise? Does it matter?

How many degrees does the iron rotate before the polarity flips?

Does the rotating iron flip polarity while it is influencing a coil loop? If it does then how many coil sides of how many loops are affected? One, or more than one? How would that affect the output?

None of you know the answers because you haven't designed or tested anything resembling the concept of the original device.


Yet we are being told by the experts here that it can't work, it's obviously a scam, and others are claiming to possess confidential information and know the secret of why it works.

Bah!

Now go on, ignore what I wrote. Build something that doesn't resemble the original and prove that it doesn't work.







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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #171 on: November 22, 2014, 04:29:10 PM »
An idea to rotate the iron separators on a fixed shaft using an open frame design.
The pullys then could be rotated using a belt

lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #172 on: November 22, 2014, 06:43:04 PM »
So here we are. Another thread derailed before any meaningful discussions or tests are done with the original design.


Now go on, ignore what I wrote. Build something that doesn't resemble the original and prove that it doesn't work.

Cadman,
Yes, that is exactly the problem. No one was ever given the plans to the ORIGINAL design.
The plans given are not what was demonstrated in the original video so building the original plans is simply an unknown design.
 
I'm sure there are some working on this to try and re-discover the demonstrated device.
 

T-1000

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #173 on: November 22, 2014, 06:51:20 PM »
I'm sure there are some working on this to try and re-discover the demonstrated device.


Yes, there are silent builders trying to apply W. Garry magnetic effect in generator as this can be easily guessed from CAD drawings in another thread and that looks most logical one...

lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #174 on: November 22, 2014, 09:04:24 PM »
Yes, even the Ecklin generator is simple and easy to build.
I wonder how many have built this and are now enjoying free energy?
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #175 on: November 23, 2014, 12:19:50 AM »
Here. You can see a lot from this design version. Print it out and make cut-outs or draw it in your CAD,  just do it.

You will not understand this generator unless you understand the magnetic circuit and flux.

The 4 poles are NSNS, N to S to N to S every 90 degrees.

The flux circuits are loops from one exciter pole through the rotor to the outer stator and back through the rotor to an opposite pole then returning to the first pole through the armature.

The flux will flow in the path of least resistance and will divide proportionally from a N pole to the two adjacent S poles. The longer the path is, the more resistance it encounters and that includes size of air gaps and length of the path through iron. You don't have to be accurate to the decimal place, where the majority of the flux goes will be obvious to see as you rotate the iron and adjust the flow proportions according to the magnetic circuit resistances.

Rote the iron rotor and draw the magnetic circuit flux lines. Note how and when they change and where they go to. Do it. The flux is the heart and soul of it.

The winding in the drawing is one phase of a three phase winding. Slot #1 is the start of the first black line at about 11:00. Move the starting position around and note how the magnetic circuit will influence it as the rotor moves.

The winding layout is included in a pdf. This winding is not the one Syair used but it is educational. Experiment with different windings. Keep track of the electrical current direction as things move. It will be toward you or away from you in the slot at the end of each colored line.
Vary the size and shape of the exciter poles and the rotor irons and see how that changes everything.
Think about where you want the flux to go and when you want it to go there.
Determine for yourself if this design is even suitable for a 3 phase gen or is 1 phase the best way to go.


Jimboot

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #176 on: November 23, 2014, 12:43:05 AM »

Stefan does your forum software have a "like" button?

So here we are. Another thread derailed before any meaningful discussions or tests are done with the original design.

Instead all the experts have weighed in and denounced it as a hoax and now we see “replications” that have no resemblance to the actual device proposed.


Tell us, all you 'experts' and replicators:

What is the pole arc of the exciters?

What is the pole pitch of the iron rotors?

What is the ratio of pole arc to pole pitch? Is it the same for both the exciters and rotors?

How many stator coil slots are there? How many are used?

What winding pattern is used in the stator for either 1 phase or 3 phase?

Where is slot #1 of the stator winding in relation to a stationary exciter pole? Is that important?

Does the winding start above a N or S pole? Does it start as clockwise or counter clockwise? Does it matter?

How many degrees does the iron rotate before the polarity flips?

Does the rotating iron flip polarity while it is influencing a coil loop? If it does then how many coil sides of how many loops are affected? One, or more than one? How would that affect the output?

None of you know the answers because you haven't designed or tested anything resembling the concept of the original device.


Yet we are being told by the experts here that it can't work, it's obviously a scam, and others are claiming to possess confidential information and know the secret of why it works.

Bah!

Now go on, ignore what I wrote. Build something that doesn't resemble the original and prove that it doesn't work.

ARMCORTEX

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #177 on: November 23, 2014, 02:52:47 AM »
T-1000, where is the thread and images you speak of, the cad drawings.

Cadman, how is the st-series of motor wound according to you.

An unmodified one stator of a chinese motor presented here will be my starting point.

These words by Syar lead me to conclusion that this is a motor as well, how to make it so, ''BEMF actually helps rotation'' ?




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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #178 on: November 23, 2014, 04:47:29 AM »
Cadman, how is the st-series of motor wound according to you.

I wish I knew for certain. All I do know is that it is two parallel single phase 110V windings and the one in Syair's second video has 45 stator slots and 5 of them are empty. I stumbled onto a Chinese patent for a stator winding yesterday that might be for these generators, it said each coil is identical and wound in a way that minimizes the amount of copper used. I don't know if I can find it again as I was on lunch at work. I know that sounds like a cop-out but it's true. I'll check the browser history when I get back to work.

If you or anyone here has one of these single phase ST generators and would chart out the coil layout for us I'm sure a lot of people here would find it useful. The ST winding configuration could even be crucial to the success of this gen.


d3x0r

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #179 on: November 23, 2014, 05:08:04 AM »
I wish I knew for certain. All I do know is that it is two parallel single phase 110V windings and the one in Syair's second video has 45 stator slots and 5 of them are empty. I stumbled onto a Chinese patent for a stator winding yesterday that might be for these generators, it said each coil is identical and wound in a way that minimizes the amount of copper used. I don't know if I can find it again as I was on lunch at work. I know that sounds like a cop-out but it's true. I'll check the browser history when I get back to work.

If you or anyone here has one of these single phase ST generators and would chart out the coil layout for us I'm sure a lot of people here would find it useful. The ST winding configuration could even be crucial to the success of this gen.
ya including the inner 4 coils...