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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 608530 times)

forest

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #90 on: November 15, 2014, 02:41:42 PM »
Exactly.Free energy. ;D

Farmhand

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2014, 05:21:07 AM »
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It is good to see some one else spotted the scam.
Flux gate alternators put out very little power , and still have the same lenz force effect as any other alternator per watt output. The gate plates carry the magnetic field, and the lenz force acts apon the plates as if they were the magnets them self .I see some great minds on this thread falling for this rubbish.

Tinman,

Yes indeed, the videos are highly suspect.  Regarding the first video, the output driven relay idea sounds about right.

Ever use a wind up flashlight?  Upon listening to the first video, I was immediately reminded of the sound of straight cut gears being used to greatly multiply a shaft speed.  Also, when he stops turning the pulley, there is a cogging effect seen on the rim of the pulley as the" innards" of the machine apparently stop rotating.  Either there is a ratchet clutch, or just gears over riding each other, but something inside appears to stop rotating after the pulley stops and there is also a sound associated with that action.

When we are shown the voltage on the meter, the voltage swings up and down as he rotates the pulley.  Oddly, when the loads are attached and operating, no hint of a voltage fluctuation is observed, just full off or full on, never anywhere in between.

As well, we are to believe that when he shows the current using the clamp meters that there are supposed to be 2400 watts or so flowing through flimsy connections.  One might rightfully expect a bit of heat or smoke.

The drawings he has shown do not at all seem to be in accord with the mechanical action or sounds observed when he rotates the pulley by hand (i.e., the cogging or stuttering of the pulley when he stops spinning it and the associated sounds). 

So, where do the 162 magnets go?

PW

Looks like something is buried in a squarish hole under one of the capacitors. I call hoax. Dirt floor square lines around the
capacitor supposedly powering the drive motor, the capacitor doesn't move at all.

And the operation shows the power draw reflected in the strain on the belt while using the welder, and is audible loading so the
load is being reflected to the supply.

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Because of the low RPM operation of the generator (possibly for wind turbine) and also due to the gearing the load is not noticed
so easily, but I can see it loading the belt when he uses the welder and hear it.

What's under that cap and why is there a square indent in the ground that resembles something buried that vibrates maybe ?  :)

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tinman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2014, 07:14:20 AM »
Looks like something is buried in a squarish hole under one of the capacitors. I call hoax. Dirt floor square lines around the
capacitor supposedly powering the drive motor, the capacitor doesn't move at all.

And the operation shows the power draw reflected in the strain on the belt while using the welder, and is audible loading so the
load is being reflected to the supply.

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Because of the low RPM operation of the generator (possibly for wind turbine) and also due to the gearing the load is not noticed
so easily, but I can see it loading the belt when he uses the welder and hear it.

What's under that cap and why is there a square indent in the ground that resembles something buried that vibrates maybe ?  :)

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I like how the motor and generator are bolted so soundly to the dirt lol
It is obvious that the motor and generator are bolted to a base plate of some description,as neither the motor or generator move when he struggles to remove the belt. You then have to ask--WHY did they cover it all up with dirt?

Enjoykin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2014, 10:25:12 AM »
Hai, after i post myvideo about generator no effect lenz law, Now I will show U it can selfrunning, only use myhand to start,
and ths video i will show short coil and no efect lenzlaw, and I will show next mygenerator 10kva its same project, differnt only its has only 4pole run in 1500rpm toget 50hz, its same with mygenrtor 5kva, in mygnrtor 5kva i use 40pole stator coil in wire pararel,220v.0.5A 50hz percoil in only 100-120 rpm, but its very expensve i use 162 prmnen mgnet and it gve very high cogng when start.

In next plan mygenrtr 10kva i dnt use prmnen mgnet, only elctromgnetc ( 80v.4A exciter), and i dnt modfication coil in stator its original, and i use coupling 1 by 1 of motor and gnerator no use pulley or gearbox, they are expnsve,

And i will show the animation how to it work,

Next video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWU12Db_MY

I think same it wth device James W german, But it linear flux magnetic but in Ramadan device is circular flux magnetic..

The key is magnet and stator coil not spining or rotate and rotr made by softiron rotate between them..

Thank's..


Halo syairchairun teman lama saya apa yang terjadi di indonesia.  :D
Bagaimana Anda generator. Orang-orang dalam bahasa Rusia menunggu Anda untuk memberi mereka petunjuk bagaimana membuat Genset Anda. Mereka membutuhkan informasi bagaimana kutub magnetik ditempatkan dalam perangkat. Bantuan kami giev semua diperlukan rincian dan kami akan membuat dunia ini lebih banyak terima kasih salam enjoykin

Menonton video baru Free energi magnet motor pada saluran TheMaster DV  :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmbtVaVGxns
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCrkiqE5FdlAZmSKeQe00i-w

ps: Кami menunggu bantuan Anda. berhati-hati dan keberuntungan. Saya telah membuat thread baru untuk Genset Anda situs free energi saya datang dan bergabung dengan kami teman kita Indonesia.

http://realstrannik.com/forum/svobodnaya-energiya/81-btg-10kvatt.html

Salam enjoykin Rusia  :D

TinselKoala

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #94 on: November 16, 2014, 01:23:26 PM »
Tinman and Farmhand have got it right. It is simply not possible for the two devices connected by the belt to maintain pulley orientation and tension on the belt while operating unless they are both firmly attached to the same mounting surface somehow. Hasn't anyone ever worked on a car with a slipping alternator belt? You need quite a bit of tension in order to eliminate slippage and squealing and you aren't going to be able to maintain that simply by setting your generator and drive motor on the dirt.
I'm not so sure the square indentation is a smoking gun, though. It could be the "footprint" of one of the heavier devices, that was set down there and then picked up and moved over. It looks to be about the same size as the base of the large blue generator housing.

Farmhand

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #95 on: November 16, 2014, 01:57:26 PM »
Yes Tinmans observation about the two things needing to be securely fixed in order to be able to even run without moving is spot on.
And why then cover that with dirt ? Maybe the two are connected by a small frame and burying  the bottom of the frame is it's
mount to the ground, dunno. Not how I would do it with a welder handy, but burying the bottom it would stabilize it somewhat.

Disclaimer I haven't even watched the video right through so I do not know if that capacitor gets moved or not. So,, the
next paragraph is based on the assumption that the capacitor can't be moved ( I assumed it doesn't get moved and remains
stationary). I get bored with wild claims and no evidence.

I'm thinking TK, that the drive motor is being powered from that capacitor isn't it ? And it is sitting within the square mark and
there is a squiggly line leading away from the square.

Anyway it is rife for speculation and very sus, I'm surprised most people can't just pick the fakes by watching the video's.

To me this setup looks like it could be just a generator modified for wind work and with the big pulley the drive motor has
substantial leverage to withstand sudden loading rpm changes. The setup being powered by some hidden supply.

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Are you thinking a line through the generator from underneath ?

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ramset

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2014, 03:48:12 PM »
Yes,
 Belt tension and dirt were the first things that jump in your face.
PoorPluto,
has the inventor invited you to view??
or anyone here?


thx
Chet

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2014, 05:53:19 PM »
 It could be something as simple as a buried battery with a reed switch.

TinselKoala

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2014, 06:33:46 PM »
@Farmhand: I watched up to the point where he starts scribbling on a piece of paper at around 13 minutes and things are disassembled. Up to that point, no, the capacitors are not moved, somehow they stay balanced on their ends without getting knocked over or moving at all that I can see.  I did notice that the "generator" is removed from its elevated mounting for the "self running" part of the demonstration. This is undoubtedly so that it could be remounted rigidly to whatever buried structure there is connecting the "generator" with the drive motor. Clearly the two items are rigidly connected by some structure we cannot see, because he struggles mightily to remove the belt and neither the "generator" nor the motor move even one centimeter while he's doing the removal.

Once he starts scribbling as if he expected the scribbles to be readable at 240p with the poorly focused and shaky camera work I had to stop watching closely, but I scrolled on through and didn't see anything else in the way of an actual demonstration after that point, just parts scattered about in the dirt.  Like I said before, the most probable things needed to "replicate" this performance are just a long extension cord and a confederate with a switch. Clearly this video was not done by himself alone as he claimed before; there is definitely someone working the camera. Doing it in the dirt? Why? Can he not afford to build a decent waist-high workbench?  It's all part of the shtick.

This is just a joke. A wind-up to see how gullible people can be. All the shaky camera work, the dirt, the silly loads, the cheap clampons, even perhaps the incompetent handling of the stick welder... all of that is deliberate theater so that you will underestimate the sophistication of the joke. Just like that Wasif Kahloon character from a few months back who showed us essentially the same thing, even down to the dirt, then faded away after he got his jollies.

I didn't notice any of the pilot lamps light up on any of the equipment and cord-sets used. If I missed it, please let me know.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #99 on: November 16, 2014, 06:40:48 PM »
The belt tension is not so disturbing because we saw on the video at 4.06 that the motor is bolted to the ground.
It should be the same thing for the generator.






TinselKoala

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2014, 07:02:22 PM »
"Bolted to the ground". That's a laugh. Go ahead, try "bolting" something to the ground, then put a big side load on it with a drive belt and let me know how it works out. How do you adjust the belt tension, I wonder?

That one gets a ROFL for sure. Don't forget, Kahloon's device was "nailed" to the ground as well!

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2014, 07:13:46 PM »
Well, it is awful dusty in that part of the world ?

He may be a bachelor...the floor may simply need a women's touch.

Regards...


lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2014, 07:57:35 PM »
I suppose a few those two foot long lawn spikes could nail it down fairly well in that hard clay.
 
Regardless, it still looks like the generator output was used to activate a relay in the generator box.
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #103 on: November 16, 2014, 09:15:46 PM »
"Bolted to the ground". That's a laugh. Go ahead, try "bolting" something to the ground, then put a big side load on it with a drive belt and let me know how it works out. How do you adjust the belt tension, I wonder?

That one gets a ROFL for sure. Don't forget, Kahloon's device was "nailed" to the ground as well!


Sorry, my first language is french.... I wanted to say bolted to the floor, or fixed to the floor if you wish, you dont have to ridicule me.

At 4:40 you see that they are inside some kind of garage we see the concrete wall (and a motorcycle), may be there is a concrete floor under the dust ? Because the floor seams to be pretty flat between the generator and the wall behind

At 4:36 you see that the generator is also bolted on two "beam" and we see the beam fixed on the floor and the generator bolted on the beam.

You dont need to have a tensionner system (is is preferable to have one I know) but only have your fixed motor and the generator on two rail and you pull your generator to have good tension on the belt and you bolt it on the rail. Since this generator is supposed to not have a lot of drag it should work.

I dont say that this guy is real .... I dont know.... I will try to replicate and let you know

TinselKoala

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #104 on: November 16, 2014, 10:27:27 PM »

Sorry, my first language is french.... I wanted to say bolted to the floor, or fixed to the floor if you wish, you dont have to ridicule me.

At 4:40 you see that they are inside some kind of garage we see the concrete wall (and a motorcycle), may be there is a concrete floor under the dust ? Because the floor seams to be pretty flat between the generator and the wall behind

At 4:36 you see that the generator is also bolted on two "beam" and we see the beam fixed on the floor and the generator bolted on the beam.

You dont need to have a tensionner system (is is preferable to have one I know) but only have your fixed motor and the generator on two rail and you pull your generator to have good tension on the belt and you bolt it on the rail. Since this generator is supposed to not have a lot of drag it should work.

I dont say that this guy is real .... I dont know.... I will try to replicate and let you know

I apologize if I have offended you, and your English is certainement a lot better than my French! But there is a huge difference between "bolted to the ground" and "bolted to the floor".

The fact that the units must be bolted to _something rigid_ like a pair of rails or a baseplate that is somehow buried or hidden out of sight was mentioned a few posts before yours, so your statement "bolted to the ground" struck me as being offered as an alternative to that, and as such, was pretty funny.

Yes, it is clear that with a fixed mount that is a little bit adjustable there is no need for a separate belt tensioner.

At 4:36 it is clear that the generator is sitting on a "beam" or c-bracket but the extent of that support does not go beyond the generator base and does not continue over to the  motor. If this "beam" or bracket is in turn bolted to something else underneath that connects to the motor, it is also clear that that something has been deliberately and carefully buried to put it out of sight. If this is a concrete garage floor covered with dirt, the dirt layer must be inches deep. But I do not believe that it is an indoor location, because in other places in the video you can see bright illumination and hard shadows. The demo may be near an outer wall, and so most of the area shown is in the shadow of the wall or perhaps an overhanging roof, but I still think it is outdoors. For example at 4:52 the camera is pointed so that you can see an area of brilliant illumination. An open garage door? Possibly. More likely they are under the shade of the wall or a roof over an otherwise open area.

But why would you want to waste your time trying to "replicate" this hoax? It doesn't matter whether he  is indoors or out, whether the thing is bolted to the ground or into anchors in a concrete floor under a layer of dirt. The fact that he is showing it on YouTube and has not been co-opted by some military laboratory somewhere is clear enough evidence to me that he is a hoaxer.  Do you seriously believe that some government agency is going to allow such a simple "self running" overunity generator setup to be exhibited in public? The first country to develop such a device will have a great military advantage over its enemies and friends, because they will no longer need to supply costly petroleum-based fuel to their tanks and trucks and naval vessels. Think about it. The fact that you are seeing it on YouTube, demonstrated in such a laughable fashion, is clear enough evidence that it is not real.

But of course it is your time and money and you may waste it as you wish. Please be sure to report your results, whatever they may be, though.