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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 608375 times)

fer123

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2014, 09:52:25 PM »
Someone toke the time to explained.

fer123

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #76 on: November 13, 2014, 09:54:15 PM »
One more. From Ufopolitics, thanks.

lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #77 on: November 13, 2014, 10:29:42 PM »
Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also.
 

Magluvin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2014, 12:35:40 AM »
Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also.

I wrote this in the third thread of the 3d drawings.

Has the polarity of the magnets been shown yet?  If they are all the same pole out, where other parts of the motor can loop to the outer casing, then its possible to have nearly zero cog. If you have a small iron bar, and put a small magnet on the end of the bar N in, then put another of the same magnet on the other end of the bar, N in, it will stick to the bar. But as you use larger stronger mags, there will be a point where the second mag wont stick to the other end of the bar. No cog.  Or say very little cog if any.  Looking at the drawings so far, the iron slats that move are held together with outer plates which would make them all 1 piece of iron(iron bar).  And the mags look beefy.

Just thinking about it more, if the mags were 2 N out and 2 S out, there would be super cogging due to the mechanical connection of the iron bars. N mag goes in 1 bar, through bar holder plate and back to a S mag, without the second gap between the iron bar and coil.  So if it works as shown, Im betting on all same pole out. ;)

Not sure, but it is something to think on.  If the mags are N on 2 and S on 2, the coging with what we are looking at would most likely not be able to be overcome by hand so easily.  So the idea of all mags N 'or' S out makes more sense.

Im thinking that the iron parts may not have to be so big, in order to disturb the field in the coil. 

Was thinking of ferrite bars to replace the iron. Neo mags can be gotten un-magnetized and should be cheaper as the havnt been magnetized yet. Those could be a good replacement for the iron rotors. Can hold a lot of field before saturation, so can be smaller than iron. ;)   Get them without plating to avoid inductive losses of the plating and just paint or clear coat them as they cant handle oxidation well.. They can be gotten in curved pieces, made for pm motors

Also, coging can be reduced with an asymetric ratio of magnets and iron parts.

Mags

ketone

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2014, 12:58:51 AM »
"Nice cad concept but the cogging will be very strong at 4 times per revolution unlike the video with 20 to 40 cogs per revolution.
This is however what was shown in his cad also."

He did mention his first motor had 40 poles? Or am I mistaken?



lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2014, 01:17:10 AM »
syairchairun said he used 162 magnets, so were they arranged as 4 poles or a much small spacing to achieve a higher number poles and cogs per rev.
 
There are many details about what he says and what he shows that don't match.
 
I have some ideas about how it may have been done also, but will wait to see what new information transpires first.
How about NS, SN, NS, SN, NS --- with the crossing to a new coil on the NN or SS and a change within each coil of NS or SN. Each iron piece is just long enough to catch about 1/4 of each magnet when between magnets, making the iron neutral at one point of each operation.
 

poorpluto

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #81 on: November 14, 2014, 04:25:52 AM »
I remember don smith's device sitting on the table, i think its same concept but a bit complicated. ;D

Brngkli bnyk gan, 2 taon muter2 pa gak pusing tuch. lol. slm knl blk gan ;D

Nambah 1 lagi gan d sni, setuju yakin ada banyak :D
Kalo saya baru setengah tahunan muter2 di thread Figuera's generator
@Marsing & @Paijo posisi di mana gan? barangkali bisa eksperimen bareng..

Cheers

syairchairun

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #82 on: November 14, 2014, 12:10:48 PM »
One more. From Ufopolitics, thanks.

Wow very true UFO politics , Sory i can not much time to go to the forums , busy with the next generator , I 've had success with mygenerator next , I 'm buying a camera for making video more clearly, before I released the next video , you can follow ufo politics , it is very true what drew , I have to get how the magnetic flux runs without any effect of lenz law , it turns out lenz law provides positive efec , maybe tomorrow I will be releasing a video how the magnetic flux occurs in stator.
Another result I get 220v 55A in my next generator with a frequency of 120Hz at 1500rpm rotation with 750W input + 320W for Center Coil , it is not as expected , then I will play it with the speed of 750rpm to 50Hz , then make more windings in Stator , but may only produce a 30A 220V .
Thnk 's .

syairchairun

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #83 on: November 14, 2014, 12:45:12 PM »
@marsing, puyeng bnget gan mpe ga jdi2 itu gen  :( ,gtu ya gan trnyta bnyak tmen euy  ;D

@syairchairun ,ane ada bberapa prtanyaan nih gan. tuk lbih jlasnya ane pke gmbar prtnyaanya,mohon dijawab ya gan  :)

For Paijo Bejo ,hehe
A. It's no magnet only Iron soft.
B. 20mm but I use original stator 3kva from china, If in picture original has same project with Dave Squires stator but i use conventional windings.
C. Its rotor holder made by alumnium.
D. 20mm but I use original stator 3kva from cina.
E. Must iron,laminate iron better and in middle has 10*12*80 mm neody magnt, any 40 streets magnet NSNSNSNS....., so 1 Streets any 4mgnet wth the same pole, and 2 Magnet for amplydyne (I dn't know it amplydyne, but the inventor say that when u chnge generator to dc welding only function when use diode for dc current), when I remove 2mgnet tht no efect, in my AC gnrator.

Thank's

lost_bro

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2014, 04:47:25 PM »
For Paijo Bejo ,hehe
A. It's no magnet only Iron soft.
B. 20mm but I use original stator 3kva from china, If in picture original has same project with Dave Squires stator but i use conventional windings.
C. Its rotor holder made by alumnium.
D. 20mm but I use original stator 3kva from cina.
E. Must iron,laminate iron better and in middle has 10*12*80 mm neody magnt, any 40 streets magnet NSNSNSNS....., so 1 Streets any 4mgnet wth the same pole, and 2 Magnet for amplydyne (I dn't know it amplydyne, but the inventor say that when u chnge generator to dc welding only function when use diode for dc current), when I remove 2mgnet tht no efect, in my AC gnrator.

Thank's


Good day syairchairun

Thanks for the additional information.

I do not understand where the amplydyne magnents are located in your device.

Please make a drawing to show how to use the amplydyne magnets and where to mount them.

Thanks in advance.

take care, peace
lost_bro

lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2014, 07:52:02 PM »
The amplidyne is a power control device and is not OU. It simply uses mechanical energy to provide large power signals based off small electrical input.
Similar to the average car alternator or generator with it's regulated field input to control and stabilize it's output.
 
It will be interesting to see the new 15kw generator in operation.

 

Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2014, 09:52:44 PM »
syairchairun,

... Another result I get 220v 55A in my next generator with a frequency of 120Hz at 1500rpm rotation with 750W input + 320W for Center Coil , it is not as expected ...

This statement convinces me that you are being honest about your results. Looking at the second video animation starting at 23:00. You clearly have 8 poles on the 4 rotating iron shoes during the transition point between exciters. NNSSNNSS.

Thank you.

FatBird

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2014, 10:24:59 PM »
Here is the Patent in an Easier To Read PDF file.

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paijo

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #88 on: November 15, 2014, 12:07:34 AM »
@poorpluto , jabar gan  :)

@syairchairun , whoaa terimakasih banyak gan.skarang dah mlai ada bayangan bntuk gneratornya gmana.thank you very much gan  :D .

edit : yg C itu holdernya aluminium,untuk rotornya jenis logam apa? lebar rotornya brapa mm?.
 oiya gan klo liat gmbr dri video prtma magnet di knan-kiri rotor tpi klo desain agan sndiri (vid kdua) mgntnya cuma disisi dlam gen aja ya?

poorpluto

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #89 on: November 15, 2014, 10:55:21 AM »
@poorpluto , jabar gan  :)

Unfortunately, I'm miles away gan, ane di jatim ni..  :o

@all

I believe this device is really working, no hoax, no hidden cord, reed relay and all of those cheats.. Very simple principle and beautiful like Figuera's gen..

sorry, out of topic.. I've got one little ridiculous question, yes you may laugh at me as hard as possible..

Newton's Law III states F action = -F reaction
Does it means that we will get at least COP 200%? I know Force is different from Energy, but imagine we put 1 N to something, THAT something will experience 1 N  AND  WE will also experience 1 N from that something? Total force of 2 N from 1 N without any lever?
So Newton was declaring a free energy law? LOL ;D