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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 517314 times)

Offline paijo

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2014, 03:44:15 AM »
@syairchairun,yoi gan betul bnget.mdah2an pula negara kita ga trgntung lgi sama bbm  :).
eniwe gan,email agan yg syairalamsyahrazab@yahoo.co.id aktif kaga? yg laen jga kyaknya nanyain hal yg sama. ane dah kirim email. email ane yg bebemc@c@@yahoo.co.id
maju terus gan pantang mundur!  ;)

your blue running generator in first n second video is same original ramadan design right?you showed on the 2 video (ramadan design= printed photocopy paper). and if im not wrong your design is an animated one on your computer right? can't wait to see your build  :) .
would you please also post here the ramadan original design? ( printed photocopy paper).

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #46 on: November 12, 2014, 09:19:45 AM »
@syairchairun,yoi gan betul bnget.mdah2an pula negara kita ga trgntung lgi sama bbm  :).
eniwe gan,email agan yg syairalamsyahrazab@yahoo.co.id aktif kaga? yg laen jga kyaknya nanyain hal yg sama. ane dah kirim email. email ane yg bebemc@c@@yahoo.co.id
maju terus gan pantang mundur!  ;)

your blue running generator in first n second video is same original ramadan design right?you showed on the 2 video (ramadan design= printed photocopy paper). and if im not wrong your design is an animated one on your computer right? can't wait to see your build  :) .
would you please also post here the ramadan original design? ( printed photocopy paper).

Aktif itu gan, sekrang sih saya hanya menunggu izin dari pembuatnya ( Ramadan ), apa boleh untuk dishare, yang asli darinya itu yang 100rpm gan yang pertama x saya buat, tunggu aja saya akan kirm itu, sangat simple sih gan kerjnya.


Offline Marsing

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #48 on: November 12, 2014, 12:22:40 PM »
Aktif itu gan, sekrang sih saya hanya menunggu izin dari pembuatnya ( Ramadan ), apa boleh untuk dishare, yang asli darinya itu yang 100rpm gan yang pertama x saya buat, tunggu aja saya akan kirm itu, sangat simple sih gan kerjnya.

 :o , Alo gan,

mngkin lbh baik jk pernyataan diatas dlm bhs inggris utk mngobati rasa pensran sseorang yg tlah mminta kurng lebh 2x gan.  n tlng d share dsn jg klo dah dpt izin gan.

sukses slalu.

Offline totoalas

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #49 on: November 12, 2014, 12:55:45 PM »

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Offline tinman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #51 on: November 12, 2014, 01:59:41 PM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb2GUiV8Bf0&list=PL9lN82Fv_KyXbRPImaD74M6ucsQIMO3fr&index=3
maybe same principle  but using ac instead of magnet
That is a bearing motor-loads of amp's and heat,and very little torque.

Offline Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #52 on: November 12, 2014, 03:16:45 PM »
You may find this interesting.

Dr. Silvanus P. Thompson who was the president of the Institution of Electrical Engineers as well as a professor of physics at the London Technical College, wrote in one of his series of books on Dynamo Electrical Machinery that he and an associate were investigating this same type of set up, a stationary field and armature with rotating iron in between. He wrote that the preliminary results were very encouraging.

That was written sometime between 1893 and 1905.


Offline Cadman

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #53 on: November 12, 2014, 06:42:20 PM »
I hate to sound like a know-it-all but I'm sure I know exactly how this works and why it takes so little effort to rotate it.

The generator he is using has a 4 pole/coil rotor already and the poles with coils bolt onto the shaft. Unbolt the coils and poles, machine the shaft to get a 1/2” or so of clearance for the new iron pole shoes and reattach the 4 poles.

The 4 new rotating iron pieces are like detached pole shoes. As they rotate, the inner and outer surface, in fact the whole shoe, takes on the polarity and strength of the coils beneath them, and greatly reduce the reluctance at the same time. They also rotate the field lines providing flux cutting just like the original armature.

Also as each shoe transitions between a N pole coil and a S pole coil, or S to N, there is a magnetic attraction from the next pole to the shoe that aids rotation. It's a built in motor, and this is probably the major factor in reduced input HP.

I gotta get me one of these :)

Offline lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2014, 08:14:19 PM »
I think before we determine the workings of the generator we should wait for syairchairun to get permission to release the actual construction of the 100 RPM generator shown in the videos.
 
There are many theories how this works but unless you know the exact construction you will be playing the same wild goose hunt as always.
 
If syairchairun can get permission to release the exact 100 RPM generator design, then replication and verification would be simplified.
 
It's my opinion that the 4 pole design will suffer much of the same problems as a conventional generator. Pushing iron that is essentially a magnet across the windings will have the same drag effect as a magnet.
 
 
 
 
 

Offline paijo

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2014, 09:42:49 PM »
as lumen said i'll wait till mr syairchairun get permission to release from the gen designer (100 rpm gen) :) .

Aktif itu gan, sekrang sih saya hanya menunggu izin dari pembuatnya ( Ramadan ), apa boleh untuk dishare,
 yang asli darinya itu yang 100rpm gan yang pertama x saya buat, tunggu aja saya akan kirm itu, sangat simple sih gan kerjnya


@all,mr syairchairun email is aktif,now he just wait permission from the gen maker ( Ramadan ),he may share it or not.
the original from ramadan is the 100rpm gen which mr syairchairun build in the first time,just wait i will send that,the working principle is so simple


@syairchairun ,terimakasih gan ane akan tunggu  :)
@marsing , ane gak ngeuh klo dsini ada tmen snegara jga  ;D pdahal ane dah muter2 d sub forum kapanadze ampir 2 taonan  :o .salam kenal ya gan  ;D


Offline barbosi

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #56 on: November 12, 2014, 09:50:19 PM »
As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
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The present invention avoids such a situation by providing for a counter-magnetic field to, in turn, reduce originally applied torque.

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Offline ketone

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #57 on: November 12, 2014, 10:07:53 PM »

As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
Regards.

Yes, that pretty much sums it up, no need to wait, just build.

Offline T-1000

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #58 on: November 12, 2014, 10:16:05 PM »
Hai, after i post myvideo about generator no effect lenz law, Now I will show U it can selfrunning, only use myhand to start,
and ths video i will show short coil and no efect lenzlaw, and I will show next mygenerator 10kva its same project, differnt only its has only 4pole run in 1500rpm toget 50hz, its same with mygenrtor 5kva, in mygnrtor 5kva i use 40pole stator coil in wire pararel,220v.0.5A 50hz percoil in only 100-120 rpm, but its very expensve i use 162 prmnen mgnet and it gve very high cogng when start.

In next plan mygenrtr 10kva i dnt use prmnen mgnet, only elctromgnetc ( 80v.4A exciter), and i dnt modfication coil in stator its original, and i use coupling 1 by 1 of motor and gnerator no use pulley or gearbox, they are expnsve,

And i will show the animation how to it work,

Next video : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqWU12Db_MY

I think same it wth device James W german, But it linear flux magnetic but in Ramadan device is circular flux magnetic..

The key is magnet and stator coil not spining or rotate and rotr made by softiron rotate between them..

Thank's..

The idea is simple and brilliant!
Having magnet ant coil on stator and adding soft iron rotor to make magnetic connection between them then breaking it still makes induction!
The most interesting part gets there about cogging difference as every single conventional generator have magnets or coils spinning to do same thing...
If you are familar about QEG ( http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html ) in your case there are magnets as power source instead of coils :)

Thanks for sharing and confirming my ideas!

Offline lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #59 on: November 12, 2014, 10:35:16 PM »
As was indicated before, the working principle is described in http://www.google.com/patents/US5191258

For me, the following was the punch line:
Regards.

Yes, I have seen this patent many times.
You are reading something into it that's not there.
 
Though it's true that as you apply a load the generator becomes easier to turn, it never produces more energy than it takes.
The reason is that rotating the generator with no load takes much energy as you are changing the polarity of the iron segments many times a second. (ever heard of induction heating)
 
Now, as you apply a load to the generator, the iron segments try to conduct the field to the coil which resists the change so the iron becomes less magnetized making it easier to turn the generator.
If you rotate it very fast with shorted coils, it will rotate very easily as the iron remains almost non-magnetized. The down side is that the output is also near zero at this point.
So while the generator turns easier under load, it is never over unity.
 
What is different in the generator in the video?  I suppose I will wait and see.