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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 409799 times)

Offline lumen

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #150 on: November 20, 2014, 10:04:46 PM »
Right. The first video is supposed to be Ramadan's design, not Syair's. Personally, I am not going to waste my time trying to figure out what's inside Ramadan's motor. There is nothing to go on.

It's Syair's newer design that has my attention.

Well at least we both understand what is going on here.
I don't believe that Syair's newer design will operate anything like what was shown because it simply rotates magnetized iron which is no different than rotating the magnets themselves.
 
You can easily just rotate a 3 phase motor with another motor and generate power which is only the iron rotating, but if you draw any current it will drag just the same as rotating magnets. So it's quite possible that Syair is building another generator with his plans and it will not operate as expected.
 
It would nice if I was wrong but his design is not new and provides for no OU.
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #151 on: November 20, 2014, 10:26:20 PM »

Well at least we both understand what is going on here.
I don't believe that Syair's newer design will operate anything like what was shown because it simply rotates magnetized iron which is no different than rotating the magnets themselves.
 
You can easily just rotate a 3 phase motor with another motor and generate power which is only the iron rotating, but if you draw any current it will drag just the same as rotating magnets. So it's quite possible that Syair is building another generator with his plans and it will not operate as expected.
 
It would nice if I was wrong but his design is not new and provides for no OU.

If on CAD drawing  in another forum thread the W. Gary magnetic effect  is followed there is different effect than moving magnet itself. The moving magnet changes polarity N to S and S to N while moving iron only exposes 1 magnetic pole and strenghens magnetic field while approaching then weakens it it when going away. The coil still will make same polarities but due iron remagnetization propery it will become N+N or N+S magnet for a time of changng magnetic field which is unstable in iron.  To see what is happening  there your best bet is a small scale testing unit with magnet, moving iron bar between magnet and shorted coil then seeing how it is working for real when W. Gary magnetic effect is followed...

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #152 on: November 20, 2014, 10:51:21 PM »
I think this is on topic: http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/SpinningCylinder.htm

I'd be interested to read your comments on whether this is related to the effect being sought.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #153 on: November 20, 2014, 11:29:47 PM »
I think this is on topic: http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/SpinningCylinder.htm

I'd be interested to read your comments on whether this is related to the effect being sought.
Thanks for that - a very interesting read.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #154 on: November 20, 2014, 11:31:53 PM »
I think this is on topic: http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/SpinningCylinder.htm

I'd be interested to read your comments on whether this is related to the effect being sought.

Thanks, that was interesting find. :)

"It would seem Electronics techs have not been accurately informed, of a force present in electronics, which is 137 times more powerful then the magnetic field.
Namely the Strong Force found operating from the Proton shell inwards in physics.
This force has different qualities, which may not be apparent to an electronics engineer or technician. It operates from a spherical base to organize electric fields from a center of spin, or a center of torque.
It has ability to interact or to react to a moving magnetic field with 137 times the reflective power, and also to couple inertial forces between copper and iron elements.

These inertial fields are capable of transferring enough energy to hurl a magnet across the room at high velocity and smash it into the wall.
This is far more power then any two magnets can generate from their poles alone in repelling opposition.
Repelling poles of a magnetic field from iron, actually decouple this torsion force, and can be used to create magnetic bearings which are frictionless and will not transfer torque at all.
The copper generates a repelling force that couples the inertial spin also, and does not even bend the magnetic flux in the process."

The moving iron between copper coils and magnets just fit there as good as described in quote...

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #155 on: November 21, 2014, 12:36:40 AM »
I think this is on topic: http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/SpinningCylinder.htm

I'd be interested to read your comments on whether this is related to the effect being sought.

Probably not even close to the effect in the claimed generator.
In fact it's not even unusual!
The actual fact is that the copper does interact and bend the field, but the counter EMF is exactly matched and bends the field back to the same direction it was
before the encounter. So it simply appears like nothing happened!
It's always funny how easily people can convince their self of invalid concepts.
 
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #156 on: November 21, 2014, 01:03:18 AM »
lumen
The truth is in practical tests, not in claims...

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #157 on: November 21, 2014, 01:48:42 AM »
lumen
The truth is in practical tests, not in claims...

T-1000
I read the work and see the test that was performed and what he said is true, it's only the conclusion of why that's wrong.
The rotating copper does drag on the field and would require that the field bend but it does not bend.
The reason is that the amount it would bend because of the interaction is exactly the amount it would bend back by the counter EMF generated in the copper.
So in the end the field did not bend, but there was no mysterious reason, it is fully accounted for.
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #158 on: November 21, 2014, 09:38:22 AM »
Hello people  :D

Hello l0stf0x
l0stf0x i think your configuration is wrong. I will not give advice like T1000 give on all threads but i think you should do some reading about genaration of Scalar Waves by Professor Dr. Genady Nikolaev and Dr.Stefan Marinov. I have found some important links: Download all documents, read and share it with all the other who are on same wavelenght with you.

Start with Deutsche Physik 1992, 1996 1993 (very important missing)
http://www.beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=16&view=viewcategory&catid=70

DR.MARINOV VENETIN COLIU
http://nanoworld.org.ru/data/01/data/club/overuni/bht.htm

EPPUR SI MUOVE
A 3th edition of Marinov's book, originally peer reviewed by Andrew D. Sakharov (1977).

The MAGnetic Vortex hyper-Ionization Device (Scalar OU Generator)
http://www.beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=57&view=viewcategory&catid=66
http://car-mitsuoka.ru/index.php?topic=1506.0
http://bourabai.kz/marinov/fmr.htm
http://ether.wikiext.org/wiki/Marinov_1992
http://www.forum.mista.ru/topic.php?id=411169&page=1
http://worldgathering.net/times/energy.htm
Marinov.zip
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=da1a3f37b4a826f9868981ea5df769d0&topic=2686.msg43192

ps: Shortly. This civilization know only to make B vector machines - not S scalar machines - (vector magnetic field is our enemy because generate lentz law and nobody will be able to make self-runners using B.) Scalar magnetic field is our friend because he annihilate lentz law and make machine free running. Scalar field it totaly different state of matter and source of real power of aether. One of old Russian physicist - member of G.V.Nikolaev team told that Dr.Stefan Marinov presented him in Sankt-Peterburg his MAGnetic Vortex hyper-Ionization Device couple of weeks before he was killed. He want to make public presentation on international Physics symposium 1997.

Reg.enjoykin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #158 on: November 21, 2014, 09:38:22 AM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #159 on: November 21, 2014, 10:32:08 AM »
Hello people  :D

Hello l0stf0x
l0stf0x i think your configuration is wrong. I will not give advice like T1000 give on all threads but i think you should do some reading about genaration of Scalar Waves by Professor Dr. Genady Nikolaev and Dr.Stefan Marinov. They have been very good friends and both were.......
I have found some important links: Download all documents, read and share it with all the other who are on same wavelenght with you.

Start with Deutsche Physik 1992, 1996 1993 (very important missing)
http://www.beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=16&view=viewcategory&catid=70

EPPUR SI MUOVE
A 3th edition of Marinov's book, originally peer reviewed by Andrew D. Sakharov (1977).

The MAGnetic Vortex hyper-Ionization Device (Scalar OU Generator)
http://www.beinsa.info/index.php?option=com_jdownloads&Itemid=57&view=viewcategory&catid=66
http://car-mitsuoka.ru/index.php?topic=1506.0
http://bourabai.kz/marinov/fmr.htm
http://ether.wikiext.org/wiki/Marinov_1992
http://www.forum.mista.ru/topic.php?id=411169&page=1
http://worldgathering.net/times/energy.htm

ps: Shortly. This civilization know only to make B vector machines - not S scalar machines - (vector magnetic field is our enemy because generate lentz law and nobody will be able to make self-runners using B.) Scalar magnetic field is our friend because he annihilate lentz law and make machine free running. Scalar field it totaly different state of matter and source of real power of aether.

Reg.enjoykin

Hi Enjoykin, I just saw your mesage..  I was ready to post some drawings on my new thinking..  please check it

(24 poles - 3 phase coils)

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #160 on: November 21, 2014, 11:58:12 AM »
Hello l0stf0x

I think it is good starting from some "simple" configurations.

Basic building block is Siberian Colia magnet. These are original concepts made by Dr.Genady V. Nikolaev. Main stuff most important is shielding Vector magnetic field B because it is OU enemy. Than you make several building blocks you can start further with simple experiments. S field can't be shielded but is present in same time with B field. Below is simple picture of Dr.Marinov S-machine (Siberian Colia Motor). S machine can work as motor or as generator.  Siberian Colia Magnet is Magnetic Quadrapole. S field can be positive or negative sign - same as B field.

Reg.

ps: What's happened with Syairchairun ??

Before several days he told me that he plan to present in public his Magnetic Configuration !! Also he told he has special magnetic configuration deep in his soft-iron rotor. In his case sof-iron rotor is B vector shield. Between stator and rotor should be as small air gap as possible. Also configuration and position of coils is very important.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #161 on: November 21, 2014, 01:49:13 PM »
Hello l0stf0x

I think it is good starting from some "simple" configurations.

Basic building block is Siberian Colia magnet. These are original concepts made by Dr.Genady V. Nikolaev.

Hi,

The build you are describing involves scalar magnetic fields and this is completely different than was shown in video of first post.

Perhaps you can make different thread with all proposed designs or add it to http://www.overunity.com/14691/the-marinov-generator ?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #162 on: November 21, 2014, 01:55:46 PM »
Hi Enjoykin, I just saw your mesage..  I was ready to post some drawings on my new thinking..  please check it

(24 poles - 3 phase coils)

The magnets should be all same ploarity in all raws and also you do need only middle magnets with air spacing from the sides... The coils are same over entire height and added magnets with different polarities at same time won't help much with induction.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #163 on: November 21, 2014, 02:21:29 PM »
Hi,

The build you are describing involves scalar magnetic fields and this is completely different than was shown in video of first post.

Perhaps you can make different thread with all proposed designs or add it to http://www.overunity.com/14691/the-marinov-generator ?

What are you thnik - Who you are?? Why trolling my posts here ?? Another Amerian agent at this thred ?? Do you think it is easy jumping from one thread to another and disinform people which want to learn something new ?? And how do you dare to command me to go to another thread and make my posts there ??

Did you fallen from Mars ?? Or any other planet ??

I said and can confirm (and not only i). You also have confirmations of Dr.Marinov, Dr.Nikolaev and many real physicist (not main stream official liers) that:


THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE PERPETUM MOTION S MACHINE IS ONLY WITH THE HELP OF SCALAR MAGNETIC FIELD !! THERE DOES NOT EXIST OTHER WAYS !!


And i have not time to make stupid games with governements trolls here or everywhere !!
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Clever man will take good advice from next text of Dr.Stefan Marinov.

From letter Dr.Marinov to Dr.Nikolaev

All point is that equation of Lorentz "go to pieces". Cylidrical magnet cutted at half in axial plane with one half rotated 180 degrees, make in vicinity of slit magnetic filed which operate on currents with longitudinal forces. According to equation of Lorents forces which magnet operate on current are always perpendicular to currents. Dr.Genady V.Nikolaev called this field Scalar Magnetic Filed. It has rendered that for 200 years research of magnetism there exist except Vector Magnetic Filed B, also Scalar Magnetic Field S. So on some current element operate TWO FORCES - Lorenz and Nikolaev.

f = f(lorentz) + f(nikolaev) = Idr x B/c + Idr•S/c

The most interesting result which show manifestation of Sclar Magnetic Filed is next.
As you already know with help of three fingers of your righrt hand you can show if piece of wire with sliding contacts at his ends moving in plane perpendicular to vector magnetic filed B, B is in perpendicular direction to wire moving, than here is started such kind of current induction which interrelation with B filed bring braking (deceleration) movement of wire. That is well known Lentz law and the first term in above equation is his methematical formulation. If now with help of only one finger of your right or left hand you try to determine where will be induced current in wire with sliding contacs which finger will move in longitudinal direction of wire in Scalar Magnetic field S,
you will be in wonder because the induced current will not breakingmovement of wire but will help accelerating wire. It can be called AntiLenz effect. Everybody can test that antilentz effect with help of Siberian Colia Magnet. From this can be easy concluded that with the help of Scalar Magnetic Filed you can make perpetual motion S machine.
etc.

Dr.Stefan Marinov.

ps: People do not feed the troll(s) and don not listen anybody especially governement trolls if you want to make OU generator.. Listen yourself - your mind and check-up all.

That's all from me!! You are on your own !!

Enjoykin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #164 on: November 21, 2014, 02:45:38 PM »
What are you thnik - Who you are?? Why trolling my posts here ?? Another Amerian agent at this thred ?? Do you think it is easy jumping from one thread to another and disinform people which want to learn something new ?? And how do you dare to command me to go to another thread and make my posts there ??

Did you fallen from Mars ?? Or any other planet ??

I said and can confirm (and not only i). You also have confirmations of Dr.Marinov, Dr.Nikolaev and many real physicist (not main stream official liers) that:


THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE PERPETUM MOTION S MACHINE IS ONLY WITH THE HELP OF SCALAR MAGNETIC FIELD !! THERE DOES NOT EXIST OTHER WAYS !!


And i have not time to make stupid games with governements trolls here or everywhere !!


I was not intended to negate or throw away work in other fields. There are many ways to Rome (free energy) and to keep it not mixed up is best way not to confuse people.
Also the one who deviate from original 1st post is not me and the http://www.overunity.com/14691/the-marinov-generator is different from http://www.overunity.com/15088/new-generator-no-effect-lenzlaw-give-more-detail-in-pcture/

So who is trolling? :)

P.S> The personal insults won't work on me. Типичная руская психология - нашых никто небьют сдесь, так что безполезно нападать... ;)

 

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