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Author Topic: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )  (Read 454505 times)

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #120 on: November 18, 2014, 01:52:05 AM »
@Marsing
We don't know if he's asked for money or not, all we know about money is that he hasn't asked for it here or on YT. He may be fishing for bigger fish, like Akula is. He could be using YouTube, and us, to perfect his technique.
OK, I hear that you aren't enough of a believer to rush out and start your own replication, and that is good. I hope anyone else who is thinking of doing so will also just wait and see what happens. There is no need to rush, thousands of Chinese engineers and hobbyists have already beaten you to the punch. I can tell you right now that there will be no real, believable test performed by this claimant, though.

@Poit: Oh, I am not either anywhere near being the "smartest person" on this forum. There are many posters here whom I respect and learn a lot from. I may only be a chapter ahead, sometimes a page ahead, sometimes even a page or two _behind_ the rest of the people here. I even think some of the people I often disagree with are smarter than I am, if a bit misguided   ;)   .  I'm not an electrical engineer but I think some of the posters here actually are, and have a deeper understanding of electronic circuits than I do, for sure. I just have a very sensitive BS detector, and a good education, that's all. And I definitely have my own set of blinders and cognitive biases. But thanks for the good words anyway.   :-[ (I'm blushing)

@Jimboot: thanks for posting Michael's video! That is a good one, and I left a long comment on the video. Michael's generator arrangement might almost be changed into a "nano-QEG" with a little rewiring.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #121 on: November 18, 2014, 04:18:21 AM »
Hi guys interesting test replication from Mike at OUR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0WkZhCHyI8
 I want to play with this some more now. As Boyd Bushman loved saying, "follow the data theory be damned!"

Interesting, but if the windings are in series then placing magnets around the quadrants as N,S,N,S would tend to self cancel any voltage generated.
 
The windings would need to be changed to achieve maximum output and load.
Unless I'm missing something here?

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #122 on: November 18, 2014, 08:51:22 AM »
Hello people !!  :D

In my oppinion Syairchairun Generator is Cold Current Generator. There is only one way to generate cold current, Scalar Magnetic Filed Hs*.

What is Hs* = Scalar Magnetic Field ??

According to Genady Vasilevic Nikolaev Hs* is divergention of Vector Potential of Magnetic Filed = A. Hs* = -divA.

All artwork is in that where exist Scalar Magnetic Filed also exist Vector Magnetic Field H which is in fact transverse field and also product of A. In case of Vector Magnetic Field Hv is rotor of Vector Potential. Hv = rot A.

What we need is Cold Current. What is the Cold Current ??. Cold Current is gradient of Scalar Magnetic Filed.

i = - grad Hs*

How to make Scalar Magnetic Filed ?? We need to make Magnetic configuration known as Siberian Colia. Name has gave Dr.Stefan Marinov.

Take a look on pictures. This is Mind Food :D

ps: Yes there exist Two Magnetic Fileds, Two kind of Currents like two commponents of eternity. Simple experiment. Take a mirror and look yourself in mirror ?? Whay you see ? You see clear form of Chiral symmetry. Same is with currents, magnetic fields and all what her majesty Mother Nature has manufactured.  :D

Reg. enjoykin4

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #123 on: November 18, 2014, 09:36:39 AM »
ps: Yes there exist Two Magnetic Fileds, Two kind of Currents like two commponents of eternity.

Always something new around the corner.  Thanks for the explanation and images.

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The existence of longitudinal force is contrary to the laws of electrodynamics. This force is the result of the scalar magnetic field present at the site of cut magnets. Such a composite magnet called SIBERIAN COLIA.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #124 on: November 18, 2014, 07:15:12 PM »

Interesting, but if the windings are in series then placing magnets around the quadrants as N,S,N,S would tend to self cancel any voltage generated.
 
The windings would need to be changed to achieve maximum output and load.
Unless I'm missing something here?

I just took apart such a fan motor (actually moments before I saw Michael's video) and the stator coils are connected in series but they are wound in alternate directions. That is, Coil 1 is wound clockwise viewed from the "top", Coil 2 is wound counterclockwise, #3 is CW and #4 is CCW. So when a pulse is given to the wiring, the coils produce alternate poles on the "tops" or outside of the stator, NSNS. 

Interestingly, the coils are wound with a "double strand" of very thin wire, perhaps AWG 42 or 44 (measured 0.0028 inch by micrometer), right together all the way around the structure, at least on the one I took apart. I failed to note how the "4 ends" were connected to the tiny circuit board though; I'll have to tear another one apart unless someone else knows the answer already. I presume that the two strands are connected in parallel but they could be connected in series to make a "tesla bifilar" winding. I doubt very much that they would be connected in "hairpin" series because this would cancel both inductance and produced field when the wire is pulsed.

I can't quite wrap my  head around how this winding scheme would respond as a generator if the external magnets are also alternating in polarity as I thought Michael stated in the video.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #125 on: November 18, 2014, 07:28:00 PM »
I have done rather extensive experimentation, fifteen years ago, with the Siberian Coliu as described by Marinov and his mentor Nikolayev. I have actually seen a full copy of the rare book (in Russian) by Nikolayev where several interesting configurations of magnets are described. Jeffrey Kooistra, formerly Gene Mallove's (r.i.p.) assistant at Infinite Energy Magazine, tested such a configuration that he called the "Warlock's Wheel" and described the most interesting behaviours that he noted. These are so very unusual that many authors of papers on the Siberian Coliu, like Kelly, have either dismissed them as fake or don't even discuss them at all. But they are not fake, they are real. Sadly, in contradiction to Marinov and Nikolayev, these effects (which I have described elsewhere and which Kooistra also clearly describes) DO depend on ordinary flux leakage from the split magnet structure used as the rotating armature, and not the surrounding A-field. If anyone would like to dispute this statement of mine, please feel free to _demonstrate_ with your own carefully constructed Siberian Coliu motor.

Meanwhile, my Marinov Slab pulse motor simulates part of the system, translated into a continuous-rotation pulse motor, which (apparently) does NOT show the usual "armature back reaction" of a typical motor. That is, the rotor experiences an accelerating force which causes its rotation, but the stator structure doesn't (seem to) experience an equal back-reaction in the other direction.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #126 on: November 18, 2014, 07:50:48 PM »
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #127 on: November 19, 2014, 06:46:31 AM »
Always something new around the corner.  Thanks for the explanation and images.

Hello Dog-One  :D

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"The existence of longitudinal force is contrary to the laws of electrodynamics. This force is the result of the scalar magnetic field present at the site of cut magnets. Such a composite magnet called SIBERIAN COLIA."


I think correct formulation should be "The present laws of electrodynamics are contrary to longitudinal force".

Why ??

Because Scalar field is primary and real existing entity while " laws of electrodynamics" are nothing more than fiction of human mind.  :D

Expressed by a formula of Professor Dr.Genady Nikoalev longitudinal force is:

F= = H* I

H* is Scalar Magnetic Field and is divergention of Vector Potential A. Hs* = -divA.
I is current in the wire - vector.

Simple experiment which have done R.Sigalov is clear proof of existence of longitudinal forces.

It is a simple П frame contour with sliding contacts and current flowing through it. We can see that П frame contour is running at right side only by action of longitudinal forces. Direction of longitudinal forces is along conductors 2 and 4. In full correspondence with law of conservation impulse,  transverse force is append to conductors 1 and 5. This is experimentally fact which can repeat anybody. This fact can't be explained on other ways but only with existence and action of longitudinal force caused by H*= Scalar Magnetic Field. In zone of sliding contact at conductor 1 Scalar Magnetic Field H* will be positive while in zone of contact at conductor 5 will be negative. Because currents in conductors 2 and 4 are in opposite direction - longitudinal forces will combine together and make action in one direction pushing П frame contour to the right.

Reg.enjoykin

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #128 on: November 19, 2014, 07:20:46 AM »
I have done rather extensive experimentation, fifteen years ago, with the Siberian Coliu as described by Marinov and his mentor Nikolayev. I have actually seen a full copy of the rare book (in Russian) by Nikolayev where several interesting configurations of magnets are described. Jeffrey Kooistra, formerly Gene Mallove's (r.i.p.) assistant at Infinite Energy Magazine, tested such a configuration that he called the "Warlock's Wheel" and described the most interesting behaviours that he noted. These are so very unusual that many authors of papers on the Siberian Coliu, like Kelly, have either dismissed them as fake or don't even discuss them at all. But they are not fake, they are real. Sadly, in contradiction to Marinov and Nikolayev, these effects (which I have described elsewhere and which Kooistra also clearly describes) DO depend on ordinary flux leakage from the split magnet structure used as the rotating armature, and not the surrounding A-field. If anyone would like to dispute this statement of mine, please feel free to _demonstrate_ with your own carefully constructed Siberian Coliu motor.

Meanwhile, my Marinov Slab pulse motor simulates part of the system, translated into a continuous-rotation pulse motor, which (apparently) does NOT show the usual "armature back reaction" of a typical motor. That is, the rotor experiences an accelerating force which causes its rotation, but the stator structure doesn't (seem to) experience an equal back-reaction in the other direction.

Hello TinselKoala  :D

In above experiment where is famous " flux leakage" from splitted magnetic fileds caused by flowing currents ??

Clearly there does not exist any " flux leakage" just like the same in your case. Effect was caused by Scalar Magnetic Field H which was caused by vector potential A. There is big difference.  Scalar Magnetic Field H* is not the same thing as Vector magnetic potential A. Vector potential is the source of Scalar Magnetic Field  H*not contrary. In my visualisation A is helicoidal stream of particles flowing through the aether.

Try finding and analyse patent of Hogan-Jakovlevich from 1950 with configuration of two Siberian Colia magnets rotating in opposite direction on same axis while basket weave coils are put between. To give you a clue - same is happened between plates of bipolar capacior under influence of alternate currents. Scalar Magnetic Field  H*was produced and flowing between capacitor plates. I said this because the same configuration had used L.Hendershot in his generator. Also in Mislavsky transformer !!

ps: I want to ask you if you have any interesting ideas about Scalar Magnetic Filed detector(s) ?? As i can conclude from your posts you have very much experience in electricity artwork!!

Reg.enjoykin !! :D

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #129 on: November 19, 2014, 01:59:59 PM »
If anybody can find the measurements in details of the st series synchronous motors that would be great.

This needs to be made smartly and modular, precise to the motor itself.

I have just learned myself cad in the last few months


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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #130 on: November 19, 2014, 10:39:47 PM »
Mhm, seeing here much trolling and writing but no real attempts are not leading to any positive results...

Why people people can't make simplest experiment with cost under $50 to learn something new is also a good question.

The starting point - http://youtu.be/vtsHmE7_HDQ?t=55s
The explanation of what is happening - http://www.rexresearch.com/gary/gary1.htm
The resulting bench test  - the stationary magnet in middle, the spinning pieces of iron on rotor with air gaps very close to the magnet (less or equal to 1mm) and the variable distance between coil and rotor for finding and experiencing Gary Magnetic effect then observing how it impacts Lenz force and cogging when generator coil is shorted..

That cost mostly only your time and is cheap in money wise to learn something what was missed out completely in mainstream science about magnetism since 1867...

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #131 on: November 20, 2014, 12:50:31 AM »
What if effect does not manifest through smaller mass device.

Following the logic of it all, and the fact that I saw a similar video, with a guy turning a massive gen with his hand and lighting a room full of lights (unrelated video)

I have good feeling about truthfullness of general concept.

A used ST china type motor is not expensive if a used one can be obtained, and they are standard size under many companies.

I come to this site once in a while to see if something new and exciting has shown up, for many years I watch for such high quality potential project to appear.

I rate this technology 10/10 in all departments if true.

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #132 on: November 20, 2014, 01:20:05 AM »
Working on it.... :) . Im still needing to cut the iron rings into corresponding pole sizes....i was thinking on adding 4 more poles though to make it a total of 8 poles (any thoughts?). A little more turning yet on the lathe to get more clearance ...stay tuned! 8)

P.S. Thanks Chet,sorry...iphone size ...so lifelike
 

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #133 on: November 20, 2014, 01:45:19 AM »
Hello
Ketone
can you re-size that beautiful pic a little _smaller_ Please,we have to run back and forth to read/see it.


thx
Chet
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Thank you

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Re: The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )
« Reply #134 on: November 20, 2014, 02:43:10 AM »
Ketone,
Nice, good to see another build under way.
 
Using a car alternator is a good inexpensive test setup but it is three phase and you might want to take this into account.
 
Possibly using 6 magnets and pole pieces instead of the four might match the windings better.
Since you asked  :)
 
 

 

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